Trump folds again: Now US will NOT be pulling out of Paris Climate Accord

[Anti Federalist]

One of the few things I could support him on.

I give the fuck up.


Trump Administration Won’t Withdraw from Paris Climate Deal

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-wont-withdraw-from-paris-climate-deal-1505593922

U.S. has stated it will ‘not renegotiate the Paris accord’ but will review its terms

In a June 1 speech at the White House, President Donald Trump said the U.S. would leave the Paris climate accords. On Saturday, European Commissioner for Climate Action and Energy Miguel Arias Cañete said the U.S. won’t withdraw from the deal.

By Emre Peker

Updated Sept. 16, 2017 4:40 p.m. ET
6 COMMENTS

NEW YORK—Trump administration officials said Saturday the U.S. wouldn’t pull out of the Paris Agreement, offering to re-engage in the international deal to fight climate change, according to the European Union’s top energy official.

The shift from President Donald Trump’s decision in June to renegotiate the landmark accord or craft a new deal came during a meeting of more than 30 ministers led by Canada, China and the European Union in Montreal.

“The U.S. has stated that they will not renegotiate the Paris accord, but they will try to review the terms on which they could be engaged under this agreement,” European Commissioner for Climate Action and Energy Miguel Arias Cañete said.

[Swordsmyth]

More rumors, I'll wait and see what actually happens.

[acptulsa]

More rumors, I'll wait and see what actually happens.

LOL

When Trump said we'd leave the accord on June 1, that was the rumor. Now you are seeing what's actually happening.

[Swordsmyth]

LOL

When Trump said we'd leave the accord on June 1, that was the rumor. Now you are seeing what's actually happening.

So all the enviro regs that Trump stopped or rolled back mean he wants to sign on to the Paris accord?

This is just more rumors from anonymous sources and some Euro idiot trying to jawbone us back into the herd, talk to me when Trump signs something.

[AuH20]

General Kelly I presume?

[Swordsmyth]

One of the few things I could support him on.

I give the $#@! up.


Trump Administration Won’t Withdraw from Paris Climate Deal

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-wont-withdraw-from-paris-climate-deal-1505593922

U.S. has stated it will ‘not renegotiate the Paris accord’ but will review its terms

In a June 1 speech at the White House, President Donald Trump said the U.S. would leave the Paris climate accords. On Saturday, European Commissioner for Climate Action and Energy Miguel Arias Cañete said the U.S. won’t withdraw from the deal.

By Emre Peker

Updated Sept. 16, 2017 4:40 p.m. ET
6 COMMENTS

NEW YORK—Trump administration officials said Saturday the U.S. wouldn’t pull out of the Paris Agreement, offering to re-engage in the international deal to fight climate change, according to the European Union’s top energy official.

The shift from President Donald Trump’s decision in June to renegotiate the landmark accord or craft a new deal came during a meeting of more than 30 ministers led by Canada, China and the European Union in Montreal.

“The U.S. has stated that they will not renegotiate the Paris accord, but they will try to review the terms on which they could be engaged under this agreement,” European Commissioner for Climate Action and Energy Miguel Arias Cañete said.


LOL

When Trump said we'd leave the accord on June 1, that was the rumor. Now you are seeing what's actually happening.


White House Denies WSJ Report That Trump Will Not Withdraw From Paris Climate Deal
Update: it took about 10 minutes for the White House to deny the WSJ report, with the NYT and Bloomberg reporting that a White House spokesman has denied the WSJ story claiming US might stay in Paris accords, saying "position hasn't changed." Bloomberg confirms the White House comment, stating that there is "no change" in the US position on the Paris Deal, and that US will withdraw unless presented with "more favorable terms."

WH spox denies WSJ story claiming US might stay in Paris accords -- saying position hasn't changed...
— Glenn Thrush (@GlennThrush) September 16, 2017 (https://twitter.com/GlennThrush/status/909157668916486145)

We were told earlier today a US official said in Montreal at climate ministers mtg US open to staying in Paris accord & just tweak elements. https://t.co/GeKHGC1zEz
— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) September 16, 2017 (https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/909163928323751936)
Meanwhile, it now appears that the locus of "fake news" has shifted from DC to Brussels...

More at: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-16/trump-reverses-will-not-withdraw-paris-climate-deal

[Zippyjuan]

So all the enviro regs that Trump stopped or rolled back mean he wants to sign on to the Paris accord?

This is just more rumors from anonymous sources and some Euro idiot trying to jawbone us back into the herd, talk to me when Trump signs something.

Much of that was merely stopping new rules from taking effect- not removing existing ones.

[Swordsmyth]

Much of that was merely stopping new rules from taking effect- not removing existing ones.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Swordsmyth http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=6525542#post6525542)
So all the enviro regs that Trump stopped or rolled back mean he wants to sign on to the Paris accord?


White House Denies WSJ Report That Trump Will Not Withdraw From Paris Climate Deal

Update: it took about 10 minutes for the White House to deny the WSJ report, with the NYT and Bloomberg reporting that a White House spokesman has denied the WSJ story claiming US might stay in Paris accords, saying "position hasn't changed." Bloomberg confirms the White House comment, stating that there is "no change" in the US position on the Paris Deal, and that US will withdraw unless presented with "more favorable terms."

WH spox denies WSJ story claiming US might stay in Paris accords -- saying position hasn't changed...
— Glenn Thrush (@GlennThrush) September 16, 2017 (https://twitter.com/GlennThrush/status/909157668916486145)

We were told earlier today a US official said in Montreal at climate ministers mtg US open to staying in Paris accord & just tweak elements. https://t.co/GeKHGC1zEz
— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) September 16, 2017 (https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/909163928323751936)
Meanwhile, it now appears that the locus of "fake news" has shifted from DC to Brussels...

More at: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...s-climate-deal (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-16/trump-reverses-will-not-withdraw-paris-climate-deal)

[Anti Federalist]

White House Denies WSJ Report That Trump Will Not Withdraw From Paris Climate Deal
Update: it took about 10 minutes for the White House to deny the WSJ report, with the NYT and Bloomberg reporting that a White House spokesman has denied the WSJ story claiming US might stay in Paris accords, saying "position hasn't changed." Bloomberg confirms the White House comment, stating that there is "no change" in the US position on the Paris Deal, and that US will withdraw unless presented with "more favorable terms."

WH spox denies WSJ story claiming US might stay in Paris accords -- saying position hasn't changed...
— Glenn Thrush (@GlennThrush) September 16, 2017 (https://twitter.com/GlennThrush/status/909157668916486145)

We were told earlier today a US official said in Montreal at climate ministers mtg US open to staying in Paris accord & just tweak elements. https://t.co/GeKHGC1zEz
— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) September 16, 2017 (https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/909163928323751936)
Meanwhile, it now appears that the locus of "fake news" has shifted from DC to Brussels...

More at: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-16/trump-reverses-will-not-withdraw-paris-climate-deal

Well, OK then, fake news.

My mistake.

Disregard.

[Anti Federalist]

Much of that was merely stopping new rules from taking effect- not removing existing ones.

I'm happy enough to just have that happening.

Environmental and "healthcare" fatwas will be the tools used to utterly kill any vestiges of freedom and personal autonomy we have left.

[Zippyjuan]

White House Denies WSJ Report That Trump Will Not Withdraw From Paris Climate Deal
Update: it took about 10 minutes for the White House to deny the WSJ report, with the NYT and Bloomberg reporting that a White House spokesman has denied the WSJ story claiming US might stay in Paris accords, saying "position hasn't changed." Bloomberg confirms the White House comment, stating that there is "no change" in the US position on the Paris Deal, and that US will withdraw unless presented with "more favorable terms."

WH spox denies WSJ story claiming US might stay in Paris accords -- saying position hasn't changed...
— Glenn Thrush (@GlennThrush) September 16, 2017 (https://twitter.com/GlennThrush/status/909157668916486145)

We were told earlier today a US official said in Montreal at climate ministers mtg US open to staying in Paris accord & just tweak elements. https://t.co/GeKHGC1zEz
— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) September 16, 2017 (https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/909163928323751936)
Meanwhile, it now appears that the locus of "fake news" has shifted from DC to Brussels...

More at: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-16/trump-reverses-will-not-withdraw-paris-climate-deal


will withdraw unless presented with "more favorable terms"

Which means they are working on re-negotiating it- not walking away from it. At least not yet. Threatening to walk away is a negotiation tactic.

What he said in the past:


In June, Trump said the United States would begin the three-year process for withdrawing while simultaneously signaling he was willing to reconsider if the United States could get more favorable terms.

“So we're getting out, but we will start to negotiate, and we’ll see if we can make a deal that’s fair,” Trump said.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/09/16/reports-trump-administration-may-not-pull-out-paris-climate-agreement/673988001/

The treaty is also non- binding on countries.


Under the terms of the international agreement to reduce greenhouse gases, the earliest a nation can formally withdraw is November 2020 — the same month Trump faces re-election. But because the greenhouse gas reduction targets are largely voluntary, Trump said he would immediately "cease all implementation of the non-binding Paris Accord."

Trump also said he was going to walk away from NAFTA but they are working on re-negotiating it as well.

[Swordsmyth]

Which means they are working on re-negotiating it- not walking away from it. Threatening to walk away is a negotiation tactic.

It means his position has not changed, he also said he did not think it was possible to get a deal that would be acceptable, claiming you are open to a "better deal" is a way to keep the enviro-morons of your back while killing the deal with unsatisfiable demands, he seems to be doing the same thing to NAFTA.

[Swordsmyth]

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[timosman]

Threatening to walk away is a negotiation tactic.

Thank you Mr. Obvious.:cool:

[Feeding the Abscess]

I'm happy enough to just have that happening.

Environmental and "healthcare" fatwas will be the tools used to utterly kill any vestiges of freedom and personal autonomy we have left.

You could replace the words 'environmental' and 'healthcare' with 'immigration' and your sentence could read the same.

[EBounding]

Why not just pull out of it 8 months ago?

[FunkBuddha]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/forget-trump-u-s-storms-ahead-climate-change-never-n801826

This is the desired effect. Let States and cities decide whether or not they want to participate in these regulations.

[William Tell]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Swordsmyth http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=6525542#post6525542)
So all the enviro regs that Trump stopped or rolled back mean he wants to sign on to the Paris accord?


White House Denies WSJ Report That Trump Will Not Withdraw From Paris Climate Deal

Update: it took about 10 minutes for the White House to deny the WSJ report, with the NYT and Bloomberg reporting that a White House spokesman has denied the WSJ story claiming US might stay in Paris accords, saying "position hasn't changed." Bloomberg confirms the White House comment, stating that there is "no change" in the US position on the Paris Deal, and that US will withdraw unless presented with "more favorable terms."
WH spox denies WSJ story claiming US might stay in Paris accords -- saying position hasn't changed...
— Glenn Thrush (@GlennThrush) September 16, 2017 (https://twitter.com/GlennThrush/status/909157668916486145)

We were told earlier today a US official said in Montreal at climate ministers mtg US open to staying in Paris accord & just tweak elements. https://t.co/GeKHGC1zEz
— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) September 16, 2017 (https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/909163928323751936)
Meanwhile, it now appears that the locus of "fake news" has shifted from DC to Brussels...

More at: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...s-climate-deal (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-16/trump-reverses-will-not-withdraw-paris-climate-deal)What terms of giving up our sovereignty are favorable?

[angelatc]

Well, OK then, fake news.

My mistake.

Disregard.

It never ends.

[euphemia]

This is why Paul Ryan and Mitch and all the rest need to lay aside their petty foolishness and deal with the President. Trump went up there to get stuff done, and he's going to deal with whoever comes to the table.

[oyarde]

Much of that was merely stopping new rules from taking effect- not removing existing ones.

Which is as it should be . There should be no new rules or taxes .

[pcosmar]

Trump folds again:

assumes $hit was believed in the first place

[nikcers]

I'm happy enough to just have that happening.

Environmental and "healthcare" fatwas will be the tools used to utterly kill any vestiges of freedom and personal autonomy we have left.

The parallels between Trumps art of the deal progressive policies are striking. Trump in spirit and rhetoric says he is against the Paris climate accord. Yet we know the government is still trying to make other government's do more and we probably haven't broken any of the rules we made ourselves. He did the same thing with healthcare, when there was republican consensus to repeal so he pushed for more Obama care instead of repeal and now more people are talking about single payer then ever something he defended in the debates.

[Superfluous Man]

Can we impeach him yet?

[Swordsmyth]

What terms of giving up our sovereignty are favorable?

None, but I don't think Dump really wants to make a deal, he just says the "more favorable terms" line so they can't call him unreasonable.

Even if he has a price he would sell out for on this the other side won't pay it, so we are safe for now.

[Anti Federalist]

Eh, who knows what the fuck to believe anymore...so much scatterbrained bullshit that I can't make sense of any of it.




NEW YORK—The Trump administration is considering staying in the Paris agreement to fight climate change “under the right conditions,” offering to re-engage in the international deal three months after President Donald Trump said the U.S. would pull out if it didn’t find more favorable terms.

During a climate-change meeting Saturday of more than 30 ministers led by Canada, China and the European Union, in Montreal, U.S. officials broached revising U.S. climate-change goals, two participants said, signaling a compromise that would keep the U.S. at the table even if it meant weakening the international effort. Still, the move would maintain international unity behind the painstakingly negotiated Paris accord, after Mr. Trump suggested he might seek a new agreement.

On Sunday, U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said on CBS that Mr. Trump is “open to finding those conditions where we can remain engaged with others on what we all agree is still a challenging issue.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-wont-withdraw-from-paris-climate-deal-1505593922

[Swordsmyth]

Eh, who knows what the $#@! to believe anymore...so much scatterbrained bull$#@! that I can't make sense of any of it.




NEW YORK—The Trump administration is considering staying in the Paris agreement to fight climate change “under the right conditions,” offering to re-engage in the international deal three months after President Donald Trump said the U.S. would pull out if it didn’t find more favorable terms.

During a climate-change meeting Saturday of more than 30 ministers led by Canada, China and the European Union, in Montreal, U.S. officials broached revising U.S. climate-change goals, two participants said, signaling a compromise that would keep the U.S. at the table even if it meant weakening the international effort. Still, the move would maintain international unity behind the painstakingly negotiated Paris accord, after Mr. Trump suggested he might seek a new agreement.

On Sunday, U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said on CBS that Mr. Trump is “open to finding those conditions where we can remain engaged with others on what we all agree is still a challenging issue.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-wont-withdraw-from-paris-climate-deal-1505593922

Between Dump and the fakenews you can't really believe anything until he actually does it.

I still don't believe that he will agree to anything that the Paris accord member will agree to.

[Origanalist]

None, but I don't think Dump really wants to make a deal, he just says the "more favorable terms" line so they can't call him unreasonable.

Even if he has a price he would sell out for on this the other side won't pay it, so we are safe for now.

Thanks for the 'splainin, I feel so much better now.

[dannno]

Can we impeach him yet?

If you want to make things even worse, go ahead and put your energy toward that..

[bunklocoempire]

Why not just pull out of it 8 months ago?

Shhhhh... Please! You're ruining my suspension of disbelief.

The truth HAS to be much, much more complicated for peasants to get the most out of this poorly written/acted puppet show.

[donnay]

I have no clue how to post a tweet but this is straight from the white house.


Sarah Sanders‏Verified account
@PressSec

Our position on the Paris agreement has not changed. @POTUS has been clear, US withdrawing unless we get pro-America terms.
2:32 PM - 16 Sep 2017

https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/909168166751883266?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fbrettt-3136%2F2017%2F09%2F16%2Fin-or-out-white-house-clarifies-wall-street-journal-report-on-paris-agreement%2F

[bunklocoempire]

"pro-America terms"

Finally! No more vague talk about my flipping individual rights!

/s

[dannno]

I have no clue how to post a tweet but this is straight from the white house.



https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/909168166751883266?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fbrettt-3136%2F2017%2F09%2F16%2Fin-or-out-white-house-clarifies-wall-street-journal-report-on-paris-agreement%2F

909168166751883266

[EBounding]

909168166751883266

So... not withdrawing.

[dannno]

So... not withdrawing.

From the current agreement? Absolutely.

[shakey1]

flipped again... heads they win, tails we lose.

[EBounding]

What exactly was "fake news" from the original story again?

[Swordsmyth]

What exactly was "fake news" from the original story again?

Trump Administration Won’t Withdraw from Paris Climate Deal

On Saturday, European Commissioner for Climate Action and Energy Miguel Arias Cañete said the U.S. won’t withdraw from the deal.

“The U.S. has stated that they will not renegotiate the Paris accord, but they will try to review the terms on which they could be engaged under this agreement,” European Commissioner for Climate Action and Energy Miguel Arias Cañete said.

[EBounding]

Trump Administration Won’t Withdraw from Paris Climate Deal

On Saturday, European Commissioner for Climate Action and Energy Miguel Arias Cañete said the U.S. won’t withdraw from the deal.

“The U.S. has stated that they will not renegotiate the Paris accord, but they will try to review the terms on which they could be engaged under this agreement,” European Commissioner for Climate Action and Energy Miguel Arias Cañete said.

So Trump has withdrawn from the agreement?

[Zippyjuan]

So Trump has withdrawn from the agreement?

Can't withdraw within the next three year though abiding by it is voluntary.

[Swordsmyth]

So Trump has withdrawn from the agreement?

Trump's position is that we are pulling out unless something changes.

[EBounding]

Trump's position is that we are pulling out unless something changes.

Do you know what that "something" is? What parts of the agreement are good?

[Swordsmyth]

Do you know what that "something" is? What parts of the agreement are good?

I don't want us to be in the Paris accord, and I don't know what Trump might agree to, but I don't think the other members will agree to anything Trump will agree to.

[Origanalist]

I don't want us to be in the Paris accord, and I don't know what Trump might agree to, but I don't think the other members will agree to anything Trump will agree to.

That all sounds kind of fuzzy to me. Leaves a lot of leeway if you get my drift.

[Swordsmyth]

That all sounds kind of fuzzy to me. Leaves a lot of leeway if you get my drift.

I don't pretend Dump is perfect but we are still pulling out, if he agrees to something and puts us back in I will add it to the long list of things he has done wrong, but the Euro scum in the OP lied and claimed that Dump had changed his position when he hadn't.

[Origanalist]

I don't pretend Dump is perfect but we are still pulling out, if he agrees to something and puts us back in I will add it to the long list of things he has done wrong, but the Euro scum in the OP lied and claimed that Dump had changed his position when he hadn't.

Or he's telling them one thing and us another, it's been known to happen.

[Swordsmyth]

Or he's telling them one thing and us another, it's been known to happen.

But which is the lie if you are right?

When he does something we can talk about it, until then these rumors from Euro scum and anonymous leakers are a waste of time.

[Zippyjuan]

I don't pretend Dump is perfect but we are still pulling out, if he agrees to something and puts us back in I will add it to the long list of things he has done wrong, but the Euro scum in the OP lied and claimed that Dump had changed his position when he hadn't.

Trump hasn't said he WILL pull out. He said he would CONSIDER pulling out if he can't get a better deal. He has three years (the rest of his term) to think about it.


When he does something we can talk about it, until then these rumors from Euro scum and anonymous leakers are a waste of time.

He hasn't done anything yet.

[Origanalist]

But which is the lie if you are right?

When he does something we can talk about it, until then these rumors from Euro scum and anonymous leakers are a waste of time.

Ok, if you say so. I would really hate to waste time.

[Swordsmyth]

Trump hasn't said he WILL pull out. He said he would CONSIDER pulling out if he can't get a better deal. He has three years (the rest of his term) to think about it.



He hasn't done anything yet.

it took about 10 minutes for the White House to deny the WSJ report, with the NYT and Bloomberg reporting that a White House spokesman has denied the WSJ story claiming US might stay in Paris accords, saying "position hasn't changed." Bloomberg confirms the White House comment, stating that there is "no change" in the US position on the Paris Deal, and that US will withdraw unless presented with "more favorable terms."

Sarah Sanders‏Verified account
@PressSec

Our position on the Paris agreement has not changed. potuS has been clear, US withdrawing unless we get pro-America terms.
2:32 PM - 16 Sep 2017 https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/...s-agreement%2F (https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/909168166751883266?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fbrettt-3136%2F2017%2F09%2F16%2Fin-or-out-white-house-clarifies-wall-street-journal-report-on-paris-agreement%2F)

[Zippyjuan]

it took about 10 minutes for the White House to deny the WSJ report, with the NYT and Bloomberg reporting that a White House spokesman has denied the WSJ story claiming US might stay in Paris accords, saying "position hasn't changed." Bloomberg confirms the White House comment, stating that there is "no change" in the US position on the Paris Deal, and that US will withdraw unless presented with "more favorable terms."

Sarah Sanders‏Verified account
@PressSec

Our position on the Paris agreement has not changed. potuS has been clear, US withdrawing unless we get pro-America terms.
2:32 PM - 16 Sep 2017 https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/...s-agreement%2F (https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/909168166751883266?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fbrettt-3136%2F2017%2F09%2F16%2Fin-or-out-white-house-clarifies-wall-street-journal-report-on-paris-agreement%2F)


"Unless we get pro- American terms"- not leaving now, might later. Trying to re-negotiate for now.

What is his original position he is not changing from? From his "official position" speech in June:

https://fmacskasy.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/twitter-donald-trump-decision-on-paris-accord.png


http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/01/politics/trump-paris-climate-decision/index.html


Speaking from the White House, Trump said he was open to renegotiating aspects of the agreement, which was inked under his predecessor and which all nations except two have signed onto.


"We want fair treatment," Trump said. "We don't want other countries and other leaders to laugh at us anymore."


In triggering the official withdrawal procedures, Trump has sparked a lengthy process that won't conclude until November 2020 -- the same month he's up for reelection, ensuring the issue becomes a major topic of debate in the next presidential contest.

In his remarks, Trump said he was open to re-brokering US carbon reduction commitments, but didn't express any urgency in bringing the US back into the deal, which he claimed placed "draconian" financial burdens on the American people.

"We're getting out," he said. "And we will start to renegotiate and we'll see if there's a better deal. If we can, great. If we can't, that's fine."


He can say he wants to leave now, but it won't be official and done until 2020. Meanwhile, they will continue to talk about it. And that is "sticking to his position." (noting that the official statements issued this week didn't dispute any claims or say what his "original position" was- only that they would be "sticking to it". )

[Swordsmyth]

"Unless we get pro- American terms"- not leaving now, might later. Trying to re-negotiate for now.

From his allegedly "official position" speech in June:

https://fmacskasy.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/twitter-donald-trump-decision-on-paris-accord.png

You lack reading comprehension, WE ARE LEAVING, WE MIGHT AGREE TO STAY IF WE GET A "BETTER DEAL", BUT UNTIL THAT HAPPENS (and it won't) WE ARE LEAVING.



In triggering the official withdrawal procedures, Trump has sparked a lengthy process that won't conclude until November 2020 -- the same month he's up for reelection, ensuring the issue becomes a major topic of debate in the next presidential contest.

In his remarks, Trump said he was open to re-brokering US carbon reduction commitments, but didn't express any urgency in bringing the US back into the deal, which he claimed placed "draconian" financial burdens on the American people.

"We're getting out," he said. "And we will start to renegotiate and we'll see if there's a better deal. If we can, great. If we can't, that's fine."

[Zippyjuan]

You lack reading comprehension, WE ARE LEAVING, WE MIGHT AGREE TO STAY IF WE GET A "BETTER DEAL", BUT UNTIL THAT HAPPENS (and it won't) WE ARE LEAVING.


won't conclude until November 2020

Nothing is official until it is official (which is something you also say). That happens in November, 2020.


"And we will start to renegotiate

If he was 100% going to leave, there would be no point in renegotiating.

The threat of leaving is a bargaining tactic.

[Swordsmyth]

Nothing is official until it is official (which is something you also say). That happens in November, 2020.

I never said it was done yet, but the process has started, unless it is stopped we are leaving, the Euro scum claimed that that had changed but it hasn't, IF it does then we can talk about it.

[Zippyjuan]

I never said it was done yet, but the process has started, unless it is stopped we are leaving, the Euro scum claimed that that had changed but it hasn't, IF it does then we can talk about it.

If you say so.


WE ARE LEAVING,

With all caps, you make it sound like you consider it a final, done deal.

[Swordsmyth]

If you say so.

I did not say "WE HAVE LEFT".

Is English a second language for you?

[Zippyjuan]

I did not say "WE HAVE LEFT".

Is English a second language for you?

Que?

[timosman]

I did not say "WE HAVE LEFT".

Is English a second language for you?

No, I just play dumb for a living.:D

[EBounding]

Days since Trump has been president: 242
Days since Trump Withdrew from the Paris Accord: N/A

Maybe today will be the day? He's in the EU right?

[RJB]

If he was 100% going to leave, there would be no point in renegotiating.

The threat of leaving is a bargaining tactic.

So I am confused. You usually seem to like the Paris Accord, yet here you seem upset that Trump might keep us in the Paris Accord? Would you prefer we stay or go?

[Anti Federalist]

So I am confused. You usually seem to like the Paris Accord, yet here you seem upset that Trump might keep us in the Paris Accord? Would you prefer we stay or go?

Zip's more torn than I am.

I'd like to hear this myself.

[EBounding]

So did Trump withdraw from the agreement yesterday?

[Zippyjuan]

So did Trump withdraw from the agreement yesterday?

He didn't even mention it. But he has three years to think about it before he can actually leave it.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

He didn't even mention it. But he has three years to think about it before he can actually leave it.


From the guy who all but acknowledged he didn't even read Trump's speech. LOL

[Swordsmyth]

The White House is reportedly beginning to prepare to formally withdraw the U.S. from the Paris Climate Accord.
The official withdrawal would cement a promise President Trump made (https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/Trump prepares to formally withdraw U.S. from Paris Climate Accord) in the White House Rose Garden in 2017, where he first announced his intention to withdraw from the global climate change agreement signed by every other country.


Trump can formally begin the yearlong withdrawal process on Nov. 4, allowing the U.S. to finalize the process on the same date in 2020 – just one day after the presidential election.
Trump was widely expected to announce the formality during a Wednesday speech in Pittsburgh but instead bashed the deal.
“I withdrew the United States from the terrible, one-sided Paris Climate accord. It was a total disaster,” Trump told crowds gathered at a natural gas event, before repeating a line from when he first pledged to leave the deal, saying “I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris.”


Trump has repeatedly boasted about withdrawing the U.S. from the deal, despite the rigid timelines required by the agreement.
Adding to the confusion was a White House readout of Wednesday’s speech, which said “the President announced he is pulling the United States out of the fraudulent, ineffective, and one-sided Paris Climate Accord.”
When asked by The Hill whether the speech constituted a formal withdrawal, a spokesman for the White House said “the president has already announced the U.S. withdraw from the disastrous Paris Climate Accord.” Reporting from the New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/23/climate/trump-paris-climate-accord.html) indicates the formal process is set to begin soon.
If the U.S. indeed begins the process to leave the accord, it would do so just weeks ahead of a UN summit in Chile, where leaders will hammer out final details for complying with the agreement.

More at: https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/467200-trump-prepares-to-formally-withdraw-us-from-paris-climate-accord



LOL

[Swordsmyth]

The Trump administration notified the (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fact-checking-trumps-speech-paris-accord/story?id=47789937) United Nations of its withdrawal from the historic (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ahead-paris-climate-deal-withdrawal-trump-admin-makes/story?id=66467522) Paris climate accord on Monday, a move that will (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pompeo-cancels-climate-change-focused-trip-melting-glaciers/story?id=62930889) take effect one year later, on Nov. 4, 2020 -- the day after the 2020 elections.

In announcing the move on Monday, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo condemned the "unfair economic burden imposed on American workers, businesses, and taxpayers by U.S. pledges made under the Agreement." Instead, he said, private sector innovation had helped grow the U.S. economy while reducing emissions -- pointing to a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions between 2005 and 2017 of 13%.

More at: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-officially-begins-paris-climate-deal-withdrawal/story?id=66748219