NH - Over 5000 out of state illegal voters swung election results

[Anti Federalist]

Explains a lot.

Fucking Massholes.




More than 5,000 out-of-state voters may have tipped New Hampshire against Trump

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/7/voter-fraud-alert-over-5000-new-hampshire-presiden/

By Rowan Scarborough - The Washington Times - Thursday, September 7, 2017

Over 6,000 individuals registered to vote in New Hampshire on Election Day Nov. 8 using out-of-state driver’s licenses — and since then the vast majority have neither obtained an in-state license nor registered a motor vehicle.

Speaker of the New Hampshire House Shawn Jasper, a Republican, issued the findings on Thursday based on inquiries he made to the Department of State, which oversees elections, and the Department of Safety.

Since election days, Republicans have charged that a significant number of non-resident Democrats, principally from Massachusetts, flowed into New Hampshire to vote illegally, tilting close elections to their party. Mr. Jasper’s findings give credence, though not outright proof, to those allegations.

The numbers read this way:

6,540 people voted using out-of-state licenses

As of Aug. 30, 1014, about 15 percent had been issued N.H. driver’s licenses.

Of the remaining 5,526, only 3.3 percent had registered a motor vehicle in New Hampshire.

Over 80 percent, 5,313, who used non-N.H. driver’s licenses, had neither a state licenses nor had registered a motor vehicle.

There are 196 people today who are being investigated for voting illegally both in New Hampshire and in other states.

Hillary Clinton defeated Donald Trump in News Hampshire by 2,736 votes.

Democratic Sen. Maggie Hassan defeated incumbent Republican Kelly Ayotte by 1,017 votes.

Last February, while meeting with senators at the White House, Mr. Trump said he lost New Hampshire because thousands of Massachusetts residents crossed state lines to vote. He also said Mrs. Ayotte lost for the same reason: illegal voting.

The liberal media dismissed his allegations. The Boston Globe called them “groundless.”

The president has appointed a special commission to investigate voter integrity, led by Vice President Mike Pence.

Democrats oppose the panel and have called for its demise.

At least two scientific surveys show that a larger number of non-citizens register and vote illegally in U.S. elections. One poll found that a large majority vote Democrat.

[Swordsmyth]

Vote Early, Vote Often.

[Zippyjuan]

registered to vote in New Hampshire on Election Day Nov. 8 using out-of-state driver’s licenses

"Used an out-of state license". Perhaps somebody who has moved to New Hampshire and is still using their old license from another state until it expires before getting a new one in the state. Or maybe college students.


give credence, though not outright proof, to those allegations.


http://sos.nh.gov/nhsos_content.aspx?id=26190


HOW TO REGISTER

1) Apply to your town or city clerk’s office. You will be required to fill out a standard voter registration form and will be required to show proof of age, citizenship and domicile.

2) It may be easier for you to register with your community’s Supervisors of the Checklist. By law, they are required to meet on the Saturday 10 days prior to each election. Check the local newspaper(s) or call your clerk’s office for the date and time of such meeting.

3) Qualified individuals may also register to vote at the polling place on election day at all elections. You will be asked to show proof of age, citizenship and domicile.

http://sos.nh.gov/nhsos_content.aspx?id=12816

Identity
Driver's license (New Hampshire or out-of-state); a U.S. or state-issued photo ID; a U. S. passport, or any other proof determined reasonable by the supervisors of the checklist.

The Federal Help America Vote Act (HAVA) requires each person applying to register to vote to provide a driver's license or non-driver ID number (if the voter has a license or non-driver ID from any state) or, only if the voter is not licensed to drive or does not have a state issued non-driver identification, the last four digits of his/her social security number. Federal law requires that the validity of the registration information provided be checked against the information on file with the Department of Motor Vehicles or the Social Security Administration.

Age
Birth certificate (or copy); U. S. passport; driver's license; or non-driver identification.

U.S. Citizenship
Birth certificate (or copy); U.S. passport; or qualified voter affidavit.

Domicile
New Hampshire driver's license listing the address the voter claims as his/her voting domicile; motor vehicle registration; or government issued photo ID with current address; any other proof accepted as reasonable by the supervisors of the checklist or a domicile affidavit.

Check with the town or city clerk in the municipality where you plan to register to determine if that town/city has adopted a list of alternative documents that will be accepted as presumptive proof of domicile. Some towns accept forms issued by your college or university. You can find your clerk's contact information here.

If you do not have these forms of identification which prove identity, domicile, citizenship and age or all of these, you may complete a domicile affidavit, and/or a qualified voter affidavit.

[Swordsmyth]

"Used an out-of state license". Perhaps somebody who has moved to New Hampshire and is still using their old license from another state until it expires before getting a new one in the state.




http://sos.nh.gov/nhsos_content.aspx?id=26190

6,540 people voted using out-of-state licenses

As of Aug. 30, 1014, about 15 percent had been issued N.H. driver’s licenses.

Of the remaining 5,526, only 3.3 percent had registered a motor vehicle in New Hampshire.

Over 80 percent, 5,313, who used non-N.H. driver’s licenses, had neither a state licenses nor had registered a motor vehicle.


HOW TO REGISTER

1) Apply to your town or city clerk’s office. You will be required to fill out a standard voter registration form and will be required to show proof of age, citizenship and domicile.

Because they couldn't have been given fake proof of domilcile by the dems right?

[Zippyjuan]

6,540 people voted using out-of-state licenses

As of Aug. 30, 1014, about 15 percent had been issued N.H. driver’s licenses.

Of the remaining 5,526, only 3.3 percent had registered a motor vehicle in New Hampshire.

Over 80 percent, 5,313, who used non-N.H. driver’s licenses, had neither a state licenses nor had registered a motor vehicle.


HOW TO REGISTER

1) Apply to your town or city clerk’s office. You will be required to fill out a standard voter registration form and will be required to show proof of age, citizenship and domicile.

Because they couldn't have been given fake proof of domilcile by the dems right?

None of which is any proof of even as single vote fraudulently cast. If you move to a new state do you get a new driver's license the first day? If you have not yet gotten a license for that state, is that proof you don't actually live in that state? Let alone cast a ballot illegally in that state?

[Swordsmyth]

None of which is any proof of even as single vote fraudulently cast. If you move to a new state do you get a new driver's license the first day? If you have not yet gotten a license for that state, is that proof you don't actually live in that state? Let alone cast a ballot illegally in that state?

It is cause for investigation.

It is a lot more than Russiagate ever was.

[dannno]

The president has appointed a special commission to investigate voter integrity, led by Vice President Mike Pence.

Well that explains why this has gone nowhere..

[TheCount]

Should be easy to find.

[angelatc]

It is a lot more than Russiagate ever was.

Yeah, that's really true.

[phill4paul]

None of which is any proof of even as single vote fraudulently cast. If you move to a new state do you get a new driver's license the first day? If you have not yet gotten a license for that state, is that proof you don't actually live in that state? Let alone cast a ballot illegally in that state?

Shaddup....


If you have an out-of-state driver's license, you must transfer it for a New Hampshire license within 60 days of moving to the state.

https://www.dmv.org/nh-new-hampshire/new-to-new-hampshire.php

[Zippyjuan]

With millions of alleged fraudulent votes supposedly cast, this is the best "evidence" they can come up with?

[Zippyjuan]

Shaddup....



https://www.dmv.org/nh-new-hampshire/new-to-new-hampshire.php

Do people get arrested for that? Is it enforced?

[Swordsmyth]

With millions of alleged fraudulent votes supposedly cast, this is the best "evidence" they can come up with?

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

[Swordsmyth]

Do people get arrested for that? Is it enforced?

Every state I have moved to would ticket you and eventually place you under arrest if you did not update your license and registration.

[Zippyjuan]

Every state I have moved to would ticket you and eventually place you under arrest if you did not update your license and registration.

It would only come up if you are stopped by the police and they notice you have been a resident of the state for more than 60 days. How many times were you arrested? If I had one from another state I would keep it until it expired. Put off dealing with the DMV as long as possible.

Never heard of arrests. They may give you a ticket which is erased if you take care of it within a certain amount of time.

[phill4paul]

Do people get arrested for that? Is it enforced?

http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Screen-Shot-2016-03-15-at-11.00.50-AM.jpg

[Zippyjuan]

http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Screen-Shot-2016-03-15-at-11.00.50-AM.jpg

Exactly. Not having a New Hampshire driver's license does not mean a person is not a resident of New Hampshire. It does not mean they voted. It does not mean they voted illegally. It means exactly nothing.

[dannno]

With millions of alleged fraudulent votes supposedly cast, this is the best "evidence" they can come up with?

lol, I've been seeing articles all over the place for months about more people voting than registered voters, or worse, in various locales. Then there is the evidence of illegals admitting to voting in surveys.

[Zippyjuan]

lol, I've been seeing articles all over the place about more people voting than registered voters, or worse.

Oh yeah, the ones where the machines jammed so people kept trying to stuff the same ballot in over and over raising the counter on the machines.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

How many times were you arrested?

He didn't say he was arrested.

[phill4paul]

Exactly. Not having a New Hampshire driver's license does not mean a person is not a resident of New Hampshire. It does not mean they voted. It does not mean they voted illegally. It means exactly nothing.

Not exactly. Not having a New Hampshire license doesn't mean they are a resident of New Hampshire even if they voted in New Hampshire. It's probable they voted if they registered to vote. Why go through the trouble? It may very well mean they voted illegally. To some, in close elections, it may mean quite a bit.
And if you haven't got the memo, Hillary was full of shit. It DID and DOES matter what really happened in Benghazi.

[Zippyjuan]

Not exactly. Not having a New Hampshire license doesn't mean they are a resident of New Hampshire even if they voted in New Hampshire. It's probable they voted if they registered to vote. Why go through the trouble? It may very well mean they voted illegally. To some, in close elections, it may mean quite a bit.
And if you haven't got the memo, Hillary was full of $#@!. It DID and DOES matter what really happened in Benghazi.

Exactly. Why go through the trouble? Why would you drive all the way to another state where you did not live and were not registered to cast your single ballot when you have zero idea that it would even make a whit of difference in the outcome of that state after waiting in line to cast your ballot in your own state? Or would you travel as a group? It would be kinds suspicious if an entire bus of people pulls up with out of state IDs and tries to register at a single precinct at the same time. It makes no sense.

[dannno]

Oh yeah, the ones where the machines jammed so people kept trying to stuff the same ballot in over and over raising the counter on the machines.

Oh, so I guess voting for Hillary makes the machines jam :rolleyes:

[Swordsmyth]

Oh yeah, the ones where the machines jammed so people kept trying to stuff the same ballot in over and over raising the counter on the machines.

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fdjhill2013.files.wordpress.com%2F 2014%2F07%2Fsee-no-evil-know-no-evil.jpg&f=1

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Or would you travel as a group? It would be kinds suspicious if an entire bus of people pulls up with out of state IDs and tries to register at a single precinct at the same time. It makes no sense.

It makes no sense because you just made up a dumb scenario. :rolleyes:










Exactly. Why go through the trouble?

Why do you go through the trouble of posting on this site? What is the common element motivating a lot of devious activity?



...you have zero idea that it would even make a whit of difference...

Are you making a difference here? Do you know? If so, how do you know?









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[Swordsmyth]

Exactly. Why go through the trouble? Why would you drive all the way to another state where you did not live and were not registered to cast your single ballot when you have zero idea that it would even make a whit of difference in the outcome of that state after waiting in line to cast your ballot in your own state? Or would you travel as a group? It would be kinds suspicious if an entire bus of people pulls up with out of state IDs and tries to register at a single precinct at the same time. It makes no sense.

Religious fervor.
And who said they all came on the same bus?

[specsaregood]

It's probable they voted if they registered to vote. Why go through the trouble?

Especially if they registered to vote ON election day. Besides, They know if they voted and it says in the OP exactly how many: "6,540 people voted using out-of-state licenses" of course it isn't "evidence" but its enough to investigate and charge people with crimes. I suspect the fines that could be issued would cover the costs.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Time to post on Ron Paul Forums! Where is our fearless leader, ZippyJuan?



http://c8.alamy.com/comp/DE12WA/small-truck-or-bus-full-of-people-myanmar-burma-southeast-asia-asia-DE12WA.jpg

[Zippyjuan]

Oh, so I guess voting for Hillary makes the machines jam :rolleyes:

http://time.com/4599886/detroit-voting-machine-failures-were-widespread-on-election-day/


Detroit Voting Machine Failures Were Widespread on Election Day

More than 80 voting machines in Detroit malfunctioned on Election Day, officials say, resulting in ballot discrepancies in 59% of precincts that raise questions about the reliability of future election results in a city dominated by Democratic and minority voters.

"This is not the first time," adds Daniel Baxter, elections director for the city. "We've had this problem in nearly every election that we administer in the city of Detroit." Baxter says that the machines were tested for accuracy before election day in accordance with state and federal guidelines, but that sometimes the machines "hit up against each other and malfunction" as they're being transported to the precincts.

The machines were optical scanners, meaning they registered and counted the votes marked on paper ballots. Many of the machines jammed over the course of election day, perhaps because Michigan had a two-page ballot this year, which meant that paper ballots were collected but inconsistently recorded by the machines. Michigan does not have early voting, so any mechanical malfunction would necessarily happen on election day, since that's the only day the machines are used. That's why so many machines malfunctioned at the same time. "You don't expect a laptop to last 10 years, and you shouldn't expect a voting machines to last 10 years," says Detroit City Clerk Janice Winfrey.

The errors were found as part of a recount process prompted by losing Green Party candidate for President Jill Stein. The Michigan recount was halted last week after a judge determined that Stein, who has urged recounts in several states, did not qualify as an "aggrieved party" in the election, making her request for a recount invalid. Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes. "The recount campaign was premised on the notion that we deserve a voting system we can trust," said Dr. Jill Stein in a press call Tuesday about the recount efforts. "No, we do not have a voting system we can trust."


Even if the recount had moved forward, Clinton would have been unlikely to have picked up the state.

[Zippyjuan]

Religious fervor.
And who said they all came on the same bus?

Who says they weren't residents of New Hampshire? Registration, even on election day, requires proof of residency. You can't just walk in and vote. Not having a New Hampshire license is not proof they weren't.


3) Qualified individuals may also register to vote at the polling place on election day at all elections. You will be asked to show proof of age, citizenship and domicile.


Domicile
New Hampshire driver's license listing the address the voter claims as his/her voting domicile; motor vehicle registration; or government issued photo ID with current address; any other proof accepted as reasonable by the supervisors of the checklist or a domicile affidavit.

Links in earlier post.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Detroit Voting Machine Failures Were Widespread on Election Day




Everything is a failure in Detroit, election day or not.

[Swordsmyth]

Who says they weren't residents of New Hampshire? Registration, even on election day, requires proof of residency. You can't just walk in and vote. Not having a New Hampshire license is not proof they weren't.

It is "evidence" nobody said it was "proof", evidence is what you use to start an investigation, proof is what you use to end one and start a prosecution.

[Zippyjuan]

It is "evidence" nobody said it was "proof", evidence is what you use to start an investigation, proof is what you use to end one and start a prosecution.

It is a lack of evidence.

[Swordsmyth]

It is a lack of evidence.

No it is the presence of an unusual number of voters with out of state licenses who never got in state licenses.
That is worthy of investigation.

[Zippyjuan]

No it is the presence of an unusual number of voters with out of state licenses who never got in state licenses.
That is worthy of investigation.

5,000 out of 800,000?

How many are college students who can vote but still have their license from their "home states" (New Hampshire has over 100,000 people enrolled in colleges and universities within the state)? How many recently moved there and had not gotten a New Hampshire one yet?


II. College Student Voting

New Hampshire election law provides college students with a special privilege when determining where they register to vote. A college student in New Hampshire may choose as his/her voting domicile, either the domicile he/she held before entering college or the domicile he/she has established while attending college. New Hampshire law provides the following definition of domicile:

An inhabitant's domicile for voting purposes is that one place where a person, more than any other place, has established a physical presence and manifests an intent to maintain a single continuous presence for domestic, social, and civil purposes relevant to participating in democratic self-government. A person has the right to change domicile at any time, however a mere intention to change domicile in the future does not, of itself, terminate an established domicile before the person actually moves.

Under no circumstances may college students retain two voting domiciles. Like any other citizen, college students have only one voting domicile and may only cast one vote in any election. A student of any institution may lawfully claim domicile for voting purposes in the New Hampshire town or city in which he or she lives while attending such institution of learning if such student’s claim of domicile otherwise meets the requirements of the paragraph above.

If just five percent of those in college or University in New Hampshire voted using an out of state license, that accounts for every one of the "fraudulent" votes. New Hampshire had a 75% voter turnout- one of the highest in the country.

Would five percent of college students having a out of state license be "an unusual number"?

[Swordsmyth]

5,000 out of 800,000?

5,313, who used non-N.H. driver’s licenses, had neither a state licenses nor had registered a motor vehicle.

Hillary Clinton defeated Donald Trump in News Hampshire by 2,736 votes.

Democratic Sen. Maggie Hassan defeated incumbent Republican Kelly Ayotte by 1,017 votes.

[timosman]

5,000 out of 800,000?

How many are college students who can vote but still have their license from their "home states"? How many recently moved there and had not gotten a New Hampshire one yet?

Please have your boss contact me. I don't think you are up to the task of posting here. Most find your posts offensive.

[Swordsmyth]

How many are college students who can vote but still have their license from their "home states" (New Hampshire has over 100,000 people enrolled in colleges and universities within the state)? How many recently moved there and had not gotten a New Hampshire one yet?

That is the kind of thing an investigation would determine, along with the question of whether they also voted in their home state.




If just five percent of those in college or University in New Hampshire voted using an out of state license, that accounts for every one of the "fraudulent" votes. New Hampshire had a 75% voter turnout- one of the highest in the country.
Another unusual number.


Would five percent of college students having a out of state license be "an unusual number"?

What percent of college students even voted?

The number is unusual simply because it is so much larger than the margin of victory.

[Anti Federalist]

Do people get arrested for that? Is it enforced?

I live here.

Yes, they do.

NH aggresively enforces resdidency requirements becasue so many people from Maine and Mass. try to escape taxation.

This is blatant voter fraud, that did not affect my vote for president, but did alter my choice for Senate.

Granted Ayotte was no great shakes, but a cut above Hassan who we just got rid of as governor.

[Zippyjuan]

That is the kind of thing an investigation would determine, along with the question of whether they also voted in their home state.




Another unusual number.



What percent of college students even voted?

The number is unusual simply because it is so much larger than the margin of victory.

New Hampshire turnout was in line with their normal voter turnout. They are always among the highest.

https://247wallst.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/voterturnout1998-2014nh.jpg

So to effect the outcome, they somehow had to know what the margin of victory would be and send in the right amount of people do do it (and you are also need to assume that every person who registered to vote with an out of state license was not allowed to vote in New Hampshire- the numbers cited don't show that any of them weren't actually eligible). You CAN vote legally in New Hampshire with ID from another state (provided you can prove residency).

[Swordsmyth]

New Hampshire turnout was in line with their normal voter turnout.

https://247wallst.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/voterturnout1998-2014nh.jpg

Because you think that I believe voter fraud was invented after the turn of the last century?

[Anti Federalist]

That would also explain a local election for NH House that went "blue" for no good reason.

Had a number of people tell me that "away" voters swung that.

Mrs AF and I saw it first hand in the 2008 primary with Ron Paul, along with numerous other election shenanigans.

Zip, you're wrong.

Ineligible voting by out of state residents, by far and away Mass. socialists, has been an ongoing and clearly identified problem, for years now.

[Zippyjuan]

That would also explain a local election for NH House that went "blue" for no good reason.

Had a number of people tell me that "away" voters swung that.

Mrs AF and I saw it first hand in the 2008 primary with Ron Paul, along with numerous other election shenanigans.

Zip, you're wrong.

Ineligible voting by out of state residents, by far and away Mass. socialists, has been an ongoing and clearly identified problem, for years now.

Need stronger proof than this to prove it.

[phill4paul]

That would also explain a local election for NH House that went "blue" for no good reason.

Had a number of people tell me that "away" voters swung that.

Mrs AF and I saw it first hand in the 2008 primary with Ron Paul, along with numerous other election shenanigans.

Zip, you're wrong.

Ineligible voting by out of state residents, by far and away Mass. socialists, has been an ongoing and clearly identified problem, for years now.

Zip don't live there so he has an outside perspective, far removed from your observation, of local politics. You are just too "caught up in it." You need to step back and take a Zippy perspective. :p

[Anti Federalist]

Need stronger proof than this to prove it.

Oh count on it, it's there.

I know you wouldn't accept my word for it.

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

[specsaregood]

Need stronger proof than this to prove it.

True, hence the need to investigate. The only person here acting like it is considered absolute proof is you.

[Swordsmyth]

Need stronger proof than this to prove it.

And you REALLY don't want anyone to look for it do you?

[Zippyjuan]

It may be people from Massachusetts but it may still be legal.

http://archive.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/03/20/altered_state/


Families relocating from Massachusetts to New Hampshire are slowly changing its lifestyle

A recent study conducted by the University of New Hampshire confirms what curmudgeons in these parts have been complaining about for a long time: The Granite State may be turning into a suburb of Boston.

The report, "The Changing Faces of New Hampshire: Recent Demographic Trends in the Granite State," released last month by the Carsey Institute at the University of New Hampshire, indicates that nearly 25 percent of New Hampshire residents were born in Massachusetts, and Internal Revenue Service data indicate that the largest source of new migrants to New Hampshire is Greater Boston.

According to the report, 57 percent of the current population of New Hampshire were born outside the state. The national average is about 40 percent.

"I was surprised at the turnover," Kenneth M. Johnson, the author of the report, said last week. "Everyone thinks of New Hampshire as such a quaint, stable state, but only seven other states have fewer residents born in state, and those are states you'd expect, like Florida, Nevada, and California."

The report states that the majority of the migrants moved to the southern tier of the Granite State, which appears to be becoming part of the "peripheral sprawl of the Boston metropolitan area."

The mountains and the Lakes Region also attracted a large number of migrants, the majority of them retirees.

Slightly more than 78,000 people moved to New Hampshire from Boston between 2001 and 2006, resulting in a 2006 population in the Granite State of 1,315,000. Families moving to New Hampshire from metropolitan Boston tend to be relatively affluent, with a mean income considerably higher than existing New Hampshire households.



That is from 2008.

Newer figure: http://www.unionleader.com/politics/Report-More-people-moved-in-to-NH-than-moved-out-12272016


In 2012, 42 percent of the people living here were born here. 2012 is the most recent year such figures are available.

Today, one in four residents in New Hampshire were born in Massachusetts. The next-closest is New York; one in every 20 New Hampshire residents was born in the Empire State.

25% of people in New Hampshire came from Massachusetts. Legally. Maybe they need a New Hampshire Wall to keep them out.


The biggest contributor to this net immigration to New Hampshire in 2015 was Massachusetts. That’s because 11,000 more residents came from there to here (MA to NH) last year than went from here to there (NH to MA).

[Anti Federalist]

Zip don't live there so he has an outside perspective, far removed from your observation, of local politics. You are just too "caught up in it." You need to step back and take a Zippy perspective. :p

Maybe somebody can find it, my search fu is weak tonight...

I swear there was a published story last year that quoted some leftist group that was encouraging Mass voters to illegally vote in NH, and how to skirt the residency requirements.

[timosman]

Zippy is on a roll tonight.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Families relocating from Massachusetts to New Hampshire are slowly changing its lifestyle




This is the big reason why I don't waste my time running away and trying to find a freedom spot. Places can change fairly fast. Pretty soon--you're running away again.

Here's an analogy: Massachusetts transplants are to New Hampshire as ZippyJuan & Co. are to ____________________ Forums.

[Anti Federalist]

That is from 2008.

Yes it is.

And while we have an ongoing problem with that, there has been a shift over the last ten years.

Many are bypassing NH and going to Maine.

Furthermore, this is why I am now opposed to all immigration, legal or otherwise.

I live where I live for a reason, not by happenstance or a job or throwing dart at a map.

I want to live in New England...OK?

Not New Somalia, nor New Ghana, nor New Singapore, nor New Trashcanistan.

I live here, I've raised my family here, I own property here, I pay the King's squatters fees here.

I have a right to determine the surroundings in which I live, a right to self determination, a right to distance myself from the insane mob that is running amok across this country, screaming in my face that they want me dead.

Since I pay the King's ransom, and theye tell me that taking up arms is no longer a viable solution, then I furthermore have a right to make my wishes known, to have a representative that represents me at the King's court.

And the King has a duty to determine that only fellow subjects of the realm have that voice.

If we are going to live in a neo-feudalistic state, then by god so be it.

Oh, and one other thing, I longer have a single fuck to give to anybody who finds the above statements, racist, xenophobic or "hateful".

[Swordsmyth]

This is the big reason why I don't waste my time running away and trying to find a freedom spot. Places can change fairly fast. Pretty soon--you're running away again.

Here's an analogy: Massachusetts transplants are to New Hampshire as ZippyJuan & Co. are to ____________________ Forums.

When you are completely overrun you have to move, but until then don't give up without a fight.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

When you are completely overrun you have to move, but until then don't give up without a fight.


Yep. And look how many members left this site because of the shenaniganists. Just sort of rolled over. If you can't even take care of business on a simple website, then you will get steamrolled in the real world.

[Anti Federalist]

This is the big reason why I don't waste my time running away and trying to find a freedom spot. Places can change fairly fast. Pretty soon--you're running away again.

Here's an analogy: Massachusetts transplants are to New Hampshire as ZippyJuan & Co. are to ____________________ Forums.


The Granite State may be turning into a suburb of Boston

I'm sure the Bolshevik mobs would love that to be the case, but we still have a few tricks up our sleeve.

You will not find the single best, most comprehensive freedom oriented gun laws in a suburb of Boston, for instance.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Zippy is on a roll tonight.


Ole Zipper John is slippery like butter!


http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/2f/2f3b0507144066480f1abb2f099377f577391a3036aa190bc9 4d0eec5d80821b.jpg

[Anti Federalist]

When you are completely overrun you have to move, but until then don't give up without a fight.

I have a buddy of mine out on the Cape, he called over the weekend utterly despondent.

He has made his politics very clear, from being a deacon in his small conservative church that refuses to fly the faq flag, to being active in local and national politics. (Yes, he's a Trump supporter)

He is surrounded in this small town by Bolsheviks, weirdosexuals of every stripe and various leftists of all sorts.

Apparently they have started to wage a quiet form of political jihad against him, denying access to public buildings for church meetings, moving his property, calling cops and code enforcement for petty issues...that sort of thing, all starting over the past month or so.

I told him to leave, to get out...all you can be is a martyr now...you're going to lose your temper, do something stupid and end up in jail.

There is no point in living in a community that overwhelmingly hates you and everything you stand for, and rely the same system (cops, judges courts) that put this place, to try and protect you.

This is why separation and secession is the only answer.

[RJB]

I regret that I have but one neg rep to give this shill.

[phill4paul]

This is why separation and secession is the only answer.

You speak truth. It's not like things are gonna get any better. Unfortunately those of like minds are experiencing a pincer move by the right and left. We seriously need a Galt's Gulch.

[Jamesiv1]

Sorting out this issue will require several polls, IMHO.