Trump, Dems reach funding deal, disappointing Republicans

[Madison320]

I'm confused. What does this mean? Did they already raise the debt ceiling or does it still need to be signed?



http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/349447-dems-say-trump-agrees-to-short-term-funding-debt-package


Also does this mean Trump is going to work with democrats so they can both get spending they want? Is that what is happening?

[r3volution 3.0]

I'm confused. What does this mean? Did they already raise the debt ceiling or does it still need to be signed?

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/349447-dems-say-trump-agrees-to-short-term-funding-debt-package

Also does this mean Trump is going to work with democrats so they can both get spending they want? Is that what is happening?

The details aren't being released yet AFAIK, but it looks like the deal is for Dems to vote (in near future, hasn't yet happened) with leftist GOPers, over the objection of conservatives, to pass a "clean" debt ceiling increase: i.e. no spending cuts. Presumably the Harvey funding is also going to be in the bill, and without any offsetting spending cuts.

MAGA!

:rolleyes:

[specsaregood]

I'm confused. What does this mean? Did they already raise the debt ceiling or does it still need to be signed?

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/349447-dems-say-trump-agrees-to-short-term-funding-debt-package

Also does this mean Trump is going to work with democrats so they can both get spending they want? Is that what is happening?

Did you read the article you linked to?

[Madison320]

Did you read the article you linked to?

Yes.

[Madison320]

The details aren't being released yet AFAIK, but it looks like the deal is for Dems to vote (in near future, hasn't yet happened) with leftist GOPers, over the objection of conservatives, to pass a "clean" debt ceiling increase: i.e. no spending cuts. Presumably the Harvey funding is also going to be in the bill, and without any offsetting spending cuts.

MAGA!

:rolleyes:

I wonder if the wall is going to be included. Maybe for the next debt ceiling crisis? An article on zerohedge makes it sound like everything will come to a head in December, but if they extend the debt ceiling to Dec they'll be able to go until maybe April of next year before they run out of money. It's going to be interesting to watch the debt climb over the next few months. It'll probably be like 200 or 300 billion a month.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-06/gold-sinks-trump-congress-agree-3-month-debt-limit-extension

[r3volution 3.0]

I wonder if the wall is going to be included.

Not if the Dems are voting for it.


Maybe for the next debt ceiling crisis? An article on zerohedge makes it sound like everything will come to a head in December, but if they extend the debt ceiling to Dec they'll be able to go until maybe April of next year before they run out of money. It's going to be interesting to watch the debt climb over the next few months. It'll probably be like 200 or 300 billion a month.

If this goes the way it's looking right now, yea, December or early next year.

Between now and then Trump and the other leftist GOPers will promise, pinky swear, to do fiscal reform next time.

Then, well, you know, we can't shut the government down can we? We might lose the Senate!

[Madison320]

Not if the Dems are voting for it.



I don't know, what if Trump offered them something really big like universal healthcare?

[r3volution 3.0]

I don't know, what if Trump offered them something really big like universal healthcare?

They'd go for that, but he's not going to offer it, not at this point anyway, when he still has strong support within the GOP.

But I could easily see him doing deals of that magnitude with the Dems in a couple years.

[goldenequity]

Trump’s Surprise Deal With Democrats Sets Up Christmas Showdown
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-07/trump-s-surprise-deal-with-democrats-sets-up-christmas-showdown

[EBounding]

I'm holding judgement on this until I hear the interdimensional-chess Trumpsplanation.

[shakey1]

Then, well, you know, we can't shut the government down can we? We might lose the Senate!

Shut 'er down... a lot less damage will be done that way.:cool:

[TheCount]

I don't care if it passes. Bring on the Government Shutdown.


Expect one in September.

More Trump dreams ruined.

[nikcers]

More Trump dreams ruined.
These people know what they are though, they shamelessly will defend him and his ilk because he is part of the machine. Trump has always been part of the machine. The scammers are part of the machine though too, the ones that scammed people into thinking he wasn't part of the machine. They don't care if you prove them wrong, they just care about spinning his chaos into other peoples problems. They will come in here and blame the congress not the conman.

[dannno]

I'm holding judgement on this until I hear the interdimensional-chess Trumpsplanation.

This guy bashes Trump a lot, and he bashes the people who cry "5D chess" when Trump does something he disagrees with, but here he is coming around.

https://www.pscp.tv/Cernovich/1YqxomgWXVZGv?

[FSP-Rebel]

905840534677270531

[nikcers]

This guy bashes Trump a lot, and he bashes the people who cry "5D chess" when Trump does something he disagrees with, but here he is coming around.

https://www.pscp.tv/Cernovich/1YqxomgWXVZGv?
The best part of live broadcasts are the fruedian slips
'I'm all for criticizing trump when your supposed but if trump made a deal with somebody- if trump made a deal with somebody- and you think its a bad deal you should actually stop for a minute and go its probably not a good deal '-

[Jamesiv1]

I love the smell of American Greatness© in the morning.

It smells like........... Victory.

[dannno]

The best part of live broadcasts are the fruedian slips
'I'm all for criticizing trump when your supposed but if trump made a deal with somebody- if trump made a deal with somebody- and you think its a bad deal you should actually stop for a minute and go its probably not a good deal '-


Dumb comment, that was a mis-speak, not a freudian slip, and it happened in like the first 30 seconds.

[nikcers]

Dumb comment, that was a mis-speak, not a freudian slip, and it happened in like the first 30 seconds.
I don't know there was this magical popup that said yes, you are honest when he said 'I'm all for criticizing trump when your supposed but if trump made a deal with somebody- if trump made a deal with somebody- and you think its a bad deal you should actually stop for a minute and go its probably not a good deal '

[Brian4Liberty]

December 15, how convenient for the swamp creatures like McConnell and Schumer. Right before the holidays, so they can hold Congress and the nation hostage. "We have to pass this monstrous bill before Christmas, otherwise we have to stay through the holidays and shut the government down! We don't want to do this, but we have no choice!"

[Brian4Liberty]

Shocked, shocked I tell you!

Or maybe not. From two years ago:


Rand is ahead of the curve on this. Most people wouldn't know how bad Trump would be until he was President. When Trump doesn't do the things he promised, and he starts to cut deals with the Democrats, will people get mad? When Trump uses the full force of government for personal vendettas, will people get mad?

IMHO, Trump as President would be similar to Schwarzenegger as Governor. He would eventually work with the Democrats and essentially become a Democrat. The difference would be that Trump would probably be more vindictive and use government to go after critics.

[Madison320]

December 15, how convenient for the swamp creatures like McConnell and Schumer. Right before the holidays, so they can hold Congress and the nation hostage. "We have to pass this monstrous bill before Christmas, otherwise we have to stay through the holidays and shut the government down! We don't want to do this, but we have no choice!"

If the new debt ceiling expires Dec 15 I'm assuming they won't have to make a deal until 3-5 months later. This last debt ceiling suspension expired in mar so they made it about 6 months before running out of funds. I'm assuming 3 months is not enough time to replenish all the cash they used so it won't be as long this time around before they run out.

I'm still confused about this. All the articles make it sound like a done deal, but it sounds to me like nothing is official yet. Can't the republicans turn around and offer Trump a better deal?

[Brian4Liberty]

Senate Passes Debt-Limit Deal Trump Struck With Democrats (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-07/senate-passes-debt-limit-deal-trump-struck-with-democrats)


The Senate voted to extend the U.S. debt limit as part of a $15.25 billion bill providing funds for Hurricane Harvey victims under a deal struck by President Donald Trump and Democratic leaders that roiled Republican lawmakers.

The 80-17 vote Thursday would suspend the debt limit and keep the government open through Dec. 8 and finance aid to flood victims in Texas and other parts of the Gulf coast. The measure now goes to the House for consideration, where even small-government Republicans in opposition predict it will pass because of the urgent need for storm funds.

Trump’s decision to accept the deal undercut GOP leaders in the House and Senate, as well as his own Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, who had been arguing for a longer-term debt-limit extension. It also left Republicans blindsided, angry and disappointed with their own leaders and, to a lesser degree, Trump.

The episode provided the latest illustration of the bind Republicans find themselves in. Even though they control the White House and both chambers of Congress, they’ve been unable to set aside their own differences to get much done.

Republicans say Democrats likely will gain the upper hand in negotiations when the short-term agreements are due to expire in December as lawmakers race to complete their work to go on recess. The agenda is expected to include Trump’s proposed border wall with Mexico, his decision to end a program that lets young undocumented immigrants stay in the U.S., and perhaps the debt limit.

Failed Amendments

Before the final vote on the bill, H.R. 601, the Senate rejected amendments by Republican Rand Paul of Kentucky that would have required foreign aid cuts to offset the disaster assistance and by Republican Ben Sasse of Nebraska that would have dropped the debt-limit extension and stopgap spending from the disaster measure.
...
More: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-07/senate-passes-debt-limit-deal-trump-struck-with-democrats

[Brian4Liberty]

Here are the senators who voted against the bill:

Bob Corker (Tennessee)

Steve Daines (Montana)

Mike Enzi (Wyoming)

Joni Ernst (Iowa)

Deb Fischer (Nebraska)

Jeff Flake (Arizona)

Lindsey Graham (South Carolina)

Chuck Grassley (Iowa)

Ron Johnson (Wisconsin)

James Lankford (Oklahoma)

Mike Lee (Utah)

John McCain (Arizona)

Jerry Moran (Kansas)

Rand Paul (Kentucky)

James Risch (Idaho)

Ben Sasse (Nebraska)

Pat Toomey (Pennsylvania)

[r3volution 3.0]

These people know what they are though, they shamelessly will defend him and his ilk because he is part of the machine. Trump has always been part of the machine. The scammers are part of the machine though too, the ones that scammed people into thinking he wasn't part of the machine. They don't care if you prove them wrong, they just care about spinning his chaos into other peoples problems. They will come in here and blame the congress not the conman.

Yep, that seems to be the bread and butter of the Trump playbook.

...did it with Obamacare, did it with DACA.

FOX and other regime media has been pushing this line a lot lately, and the parrots are already squawking it back.


Can't the republicans turn around and offer Trump a better deal?

There are only a handful of GOPers who want a better deal.


Here are the senators who voted against the bill:

Bob Corker (Tennessee)

Steve Daines (Montana)

Mike Enzi (Wyoming)

Joni Ernst (Iowa)

Deb Fischer (Nebraska)

Jeff Flake (Arizona)

Lindsey Graham (South Carolina)

Chuck Grassley (Iowa)

Ron Johnson (Wisconsin)

James Lankford (Oklahoma)

Mike Lee (Utah)

John McCain (Arizona)

Jerry Moran (Kansas)

Rand Paul (Kentucky)

James Risch (Idaho)

Ben Sasse (Nebraska)

Pat Toomey (Pennsylvania)

See, that pisses me off...

The underlined would have happily voted for the bill, but for the fact that it was supported by the Dems.

They voted against it only because they knew it was going to pass anyway.

I'd have rather seen it pushed through with Rand and Lee the only Nays, and the rest revealing their true colors.

[Brian4Liberty]

See, that pisses me off...

The underlined would have happily voted for the bill, but for the fact that it was supported by the Dems.

They voted against it only because they knew it was going to pass anyway.

I'd have rather seen it pushed through with Rand and Lee the only Nays, and the rest revealing their true colors.

McCain and Graham would happily side with the Democrats. They probably voted no because Trump made the deal and could take credit. Additionally, their neocon advisers probably told them this is a golden (safe) opportunity to make points with vote scoring organizations like Heritage.

[Brian4Liberty]

And where was Ted Cruz? Doing everything he can to placate the establishment so they don't run against him in the primary? Sorry, Ted, too late for that. They will run a primary candidate against you.

[jllundqu]

Jump is a NY Liberal RINO.... this is not exactly news, folks. You Trumphumpers that tried to convert us principled Libertarians and Ron Paul Republicans shouldn't be surprised.

[r3volution 3.0]

McCain and Graham would happily side with the Democrats.

If it were necessary for the bill to pass, yes.

Otherwise, they'd rather pretend to be conservatives.

Hence this vote.


And where was Ted Cruz? Doing everything he can to placate the establishment so they don't run against him in the primary? Sorry, Ted, too late for that. They will run a primary candidate against you.

Ted's from Harveyland. He wasn't going to vote against the aid package: you know, given that he's a whore.

[devil21]

Looks like Trump is taking his marching orders from Chucky Schumer these days. Not really a surprise since Schumer is one the banker's top boys.

A bill still has to be agreed between the House and Senate and signed to extend the "suspension" (CR) to December 15 (incidentally the same day as Charlottesville guy's court appearance). Last I saw it's not a formal debt ceiling increase, just another suspension. How they'll finagle that with Treasury cash dwindling already, I don't know. Launder some more Treasuries through shell companies probably...

There was talk on CNBC earlier that the debt ceiling requirement will be repealed altogether. Big doin's underway!

[Swordsmyth]

Looks like Trump is taking his marching orders from Chucky Schumer these days. Not really a surprise since Schumer is one the banker's top boys.

A bill still has to be agreed between the House and Senate and signed to extend the "suspension" (CR) to December 15 (incidentally the same day as Charlottesville guy's court appearance). Last I saw it's not a formal debt ceiling increase, just another suspension. How they'll finagle that with Treasury cash dwindling already, I don't know. Launder some more Treasuries through shell companies probably...

There was talk on CNBC earlier that the debt ceiling requirement will be repealed altogether. Big doin's underway!


The truly weird gold story comes from the United States…
Secretary of the Treasury Steve Mnuchin and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell just paid a visit to Fort Knox to see the U.S. gold supply. Mnuchin is only the third Treasury secretary in history ever to visit Fort Knox and this was the first official visit from Washington, D.C., since 1974.
The U.S. government likes to ignore gold and not draw attention to it. Official visits to Fort Knox give gold some monetary credence that central banks would prefer it does not have.
Why an impromptu visit by Mnuchin and McConnell? Why now?
The answer may lie in the fact that the Treasury is running out of cash and could be broke by Sept. 29 if Congress does not increase the debt ceiling by then.
But the Treasury could get $355 billion in cash from thin air without increasing the debt simply by revaluing U.S. gold to a market price. (U.S. gold is currently officially valued at $42.22 per ounce on the Treasury’s books versus a market price of $1,285 per ounce.)
Once the Treasury revalues the gold, the Treasury can issue new “gold certificates” to the Fed and demand newly printed money in the Treasury’s account under the Gold Reserve Act of 1934. Since this money comes from gold revaluation, it does not increase the national debt and no debt ceiling legislation is required.
This would be a way around the debt ceiling if Congress cannot increase it in a timely way. This weird gold trick was actually done by the Eisenhower administration in 1953.
Maybe Mnuchin and McConnell just wanted to make sure the gold was there before they revalue it and issue new certificates.

More at: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...happening-gold (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-30/weird-things-are-happening-gold)

[goldenequity]

There was talk on CNBC earlier that the debt ceiling requirement will be repealed altogether. Big doin's underway!

Trump says he's open to eliminating the debt ceiling entirely
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-says-hes-open-to-eliminating-the-debt-ceiling-entirely/

President Trump on Thursday indicated that he would be open to eliminating the debt ceiling entirely,
after siding with Democrats over his own party on a debt limit extension deal Wednesday.

Mr. Trump, asked in a meeting with cabinet officials if he was open to eliminating the debt limit completely,
said there are many "good reasons" to do that.

"It could be discussed," the president said, according to the White House press pool. "There are a lot of good reasons to do that."

The president's remarks come a day after he stunned GOP leadership and even his own White House staff
by making a spontaneous deal with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi
to extend the debt limit for three months instead of 18, like Republicans had wanted.




Mr. Trump's latest comments toying with the idea of eliminating the debt ceiling
entirely clash with earlier statements he has made attacking Congress and former President Barack Obama
for extending the debt limit instead of curbing spending.

In July 2011, Mr. Trump said Congress' problem is spending, not revenue,
and the debt limit shouldn't be raised until Obama-era spending is "contained."

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Wall Street Journal @WSJ
The dollar’s slide Thursday may be a sign that even the staunchest bulls have lost faith in the U.S. currency
http://archive.is/fmK3k

[nikcers]

Trump says he's open to eliminating the debt ceiling entirely

http://i.imgur.com/KiSIxJ6.gif

[r3volution 3.0]

This guy bashes Trump a lot, and he bashes the people who cry "5D chess" when Trump does something he disagrees with, but here he is coming around.

https://www.pscp.tv/Cernovich/1YqxomgWXVZGv?

Coming around you say..


Mike Cernovich: I consider myself center-right. But these labels don’t really make much sense. I believe in some form of universal basic income. Well that isn’t a, quote unquote, conservative position because we have automation coming. What are you going to do?

I’m pro single payer healthcare. Is that right-wing or is that left-wing anymore? Well, if you have a lot of people, a large swatch of the company, or country, are suffering, then I think that we owe it to all Americans to do right by them, and to help them out. So is that right-wing or is that let-wing? I don’t know.

mediumDOTcom/@Cernovich/here-is-the-full-60-minutes-interview-transcript-with-mike-cernovich-a0cb58a80ba0

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/09/07/trump-schumer-agree-to-pursue-plan-to-repeal-the-debt-ceiling/?utm_term=.81359261062a


Trump, Schumer agree to pursue plan to repeal the debt ceiling

President Trump and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) have agreed to pursue a deal that would permanently remove the requirement that Congress repeatedly raise the debt ceiling, three people familiar with the decision said.

Trump and Schumer discussed the idea Wednesday during an Oval Office meeting. The two, along with House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D–Calif.), agreed to work together over the next several months to try to finalize a plan, which would need to be approved by Congress.

One of the people familiar described it as a “gentlemen’s agreement.”




Another person familiar with the meeting said Vice President Pence is open to changes he considers in line with the “Gephardt Rule” — a parliamentary rule making it easier to tie raising the debt ceiling with Congress passing a budget. The rule is named after former House majority leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.).

The deal comes after Trump sided with Democratic leaders Wednesday on a plan to temporarily raise the debt ceiling and fund hurricane relief, rejecting a Republican plan and vexing many in his party.

House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) said at a news conference Thursday that he opposes scrapping the debt-limit process.


Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin has suggested scrapping the existing debt-limit process and replacing it with one that automatically lifts the borrowing limit every time Congress appropriates future spending.


Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) was one of several Senate conservatives who said abandoning that power would be misguided.

"I think the debt limit should be used to try to bring to reform in Congress," Paul said Thursday. "I think the debt limit is a good vote to have."

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-congress/trump-embraces-democrats-again-on-debt-ceiling-and-immigration-idUSKCN1BI249


The Senate voted 80-17 to approve the deal Trump reached with Democrats on Wednesday, which would raise the federal debt limit and fund the government through Dec. 8. The legislation included $15.25 billion in aid for areas affected by Hurricane Harvey and other natural disasters.

The bill now goes to the House for final congressional approval, where it faces opposition from conservatives who traditionally favor raising the ceiling while also cutting spending.

But when was the last time conservatives actually cut things? They talk about it. Things have been pretty much running on "continuing resolutions" for spending- meaning gradual increases in everything.

[timosman]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-congress/trump-embraces-democrats-again-on-debt-ceiling-and-immigration-idUSKCN1BI249



But when was the last time conservatives actually cut things? They talk about it. Things have been pretty much running on "continuing resolutions" for spending- meaning gradual increases in everything.

Zippy, your masters need to spend more time on personality development as it is completely non-existent at the moment. Your number one problem is overdoing things which casts suspicion on whatever you are posting and results in zero credibility. I know there was some time off recently but maybe it was not sufficient? Maybe you should go away for a longer period of time and see how things will look like then? Whatever you decide I am sure it will help you long term. It is just sad coming here and seeing you making an ass of yourself every time you post. Bestest. :cool:

[devil21]

The truly weird gold story comes from the United States…
Secretary of the Treasury Steve Mnuchin and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell just paid a visit to Fort Knox to see the U.S. gold supply. Mnuchin is only the third Treasury secretary in history ever to visit Fort Knox and this was the first official visit from Washington, D.C., since 1974.
The U.S. government likes to ignore gold and not draw attention to it. Official visits to Fort Knox give gold some monetary credence that central banks would prefer it does not have.
Why an impromptu visit by Mnuchin and McConnell? Why now?
The answer may lie in the fact that the Treasury is running out of cash and could be broke by Sept. 29 if Congress does not increase the debt ceiling by then.
But the Treasury could get $355 billion in cash from thin air without increasing the debt simply by revaluing U.S. gold to a market price. (U.S. gold is currently officially valued at $42.22 per ounce on the Treasury’s books versus a market price of $1,285 per ounce.)
Once the Treasury revalues the gold, the Treasury can issue new “gold certificates” to the Fed and demand newly printed money in the Treasury’s account under the Gold Reserve Act of 1934. Since this money comes from gold revaluation, it does not increase the national debt and no debt ceiling legislation is required.
This would be a way around the debt ceiling if Congress cannot increase it in a timely way. This weird gold trick was actually done by the Eisenhower administration in 1953.
Maybe Mnuchin and McConnell just wanted to make sure the gold was there before they revalue it and issue new certificates.

More at: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...happening-gold (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-30/weird-things-are-happening-gold)

Ah yes, I forgot about that ZH item. Good post. Revaluing gold would, at the very least, set a new floor to the dollar denominated gold price.

[devil21]

Coming around you say..



mediumDOTcom/@Cernovich/here-is-the-full-60-minutes-interview-transcript-with-mike-cernovich-a0cb58a80ba0

No one ever wonders how guys like Cernovich suddenly became a mouthpiece for swaths of people to follow. He's a sheepdog.

[anaconda]

Here are the senators who voted against the bill:

Bob Corker (Tennessee)

Steve Daines (Montana)

Mike Enzi (Wyoming)

Joni Ernst (Iowa)

Deb Fischer (Nebraska)

Jeff Flake (Arizona)

Lindsey Graham (South Carolina)

Chuck Grassley (Iowa)

Ron Johnson (Wisconsin)

James Lankford (Oklahoma)

Mike Lee (Utah)

John McCain (Arizona)

Jerry Moran (Kansas)

Rand Paul (Kentucky)

James Risch (Idaho)

Ben Sasse (Nebraska)

Pat Toomey (Pennsylvania)

Everyone's in good company with Graham and McSame.

[CaptUSA]

Trump, Dems reach funding deal, disappointing Republicans

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Well-Theres-a-Shock-For-a-Sarcastic-Selena-Gomez.gif

[Zippyjuan]

Ah yes, I forgot about that ZH item. Good post. Revaluing gold would, at the very least, set a new floor to the dollar denominated gold price.

It would not impact the market price of gold unless the US sold it. Revaluing gold would be simply a bookkeeping change. It also would not impact the US debt situation again unless the US actually sold the gold to raise funds. Given that the debt ceiling was raised, that is not going to happen.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Revaluing gold would be simply a bookkeeping change.

Isn't most of this bookkeeping at this point in American history? Or, is it even worse than a ledger? More like smoke and mirrors.

[devil21]

It would not impact the market price of gold unless the US sold it. Revaluing gold would be simply a bookkeeping change. It also would not impact the US debt situation again unless the US actually sold the gold to raise funds. Given that the debt ceiling was raised, that is not going to happen.

I don't know why I bother replying to you any more. Your posts are 98% "pulled it outta the ass" disinfo these days. Zip used to actually post some decent info and arguments at times. Now it's all bullshit, all the time.

Does the Fed hold Treasury gold certificates? If Treasury officially revalues gold, what happens to the dollar value of the gold certs, Zip?

Unless I missed something, the debt ceiling was not raised. The continuing resolution "suspending" the debt ceiling was continued again. In effect, the debt ceiling has been ignored for most of the last TWO YEARS.

[Zippyjuan]

I don't know why I bother replying to you any more. Your posts are 98% "pulled it outta the ass" disinfo these days. Zip used to actually post some decent info and arguments at times. Now it's all bull$#@!, all the time.

Does the Fed hold Treasury gold certificates? If Treasury officially revalues gold, what happens to the dollar value of the gold certs, Zip?

Unless I missed something, the debt ceiling was not raised. The continuing resolution "suspending" the debt ceiling was continued again. In effect, the debt ceiling has been ignored for most of the last TWO YEARS.

Some news outlets say the ceiling was suspended, some say it was raised.

Here is what the Senate bill summary says: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/1740/text?format=txt


To provide guidance and priorities for Federal Government obligations in the event that the debt limit is reached and to provide a limited and temporary authority to exceed the debt limit for priority obligations.

so you would be right- it was a suspension.


As for that gold thing:

The Federal Reserve gold certificates are not being sold. Treasury gold is not being sold. There is no change in the supply of gold in the market so there will be no change in the price of gold. If they revalue the gold certificates to the market value of the gold, the only thing which will change will be the Fed balance sheet. They are basically receipts for the gold they transferred over to the US Treasury. The value of the receipts (certificates) was based on the amount paid at that time. If Best Buy changes the price on your receipt it does not change the item you bought or how much it cost you. It could mean a different amount if you requested a refund- but that is it. The Fed is not seeking to redeem their certificates (they aren't allowed to).

https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/does-the-federal-reserve-own-or-hold-gold.htm


The Gold Reserve Act of 1934 required the Federal Reserve System to transfer ownership of all of its gold to the Department of the Treasury. In exchange, the Secretary of the Treasury issued gold certificates to the Federal Reserve for the amount of gold transferred at the then-applicable statutory price for gold held by the Treasury.

Gold certificates are denominated in U.S. dollars. Their value is based on the statutory price for gold at the time the certificates are issued. Gold certificates do not give the Federal Reserve any right to redeem the certificates for gold.

The statutory price of gold is set by law. It does not fluctuate with the market price of gold and has been constant at $42 2/9, or $42.2222, per fine troy ounce since 1973. The book value of the gold held by the Treasury is determined using the statutory price.

Congress would have to change the valuation on the gold certificates.

[Swordsmyth]

Senator Mitch McConnell thinks Democrats were a tad premature in exuberantly celebrating (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/09/us/politics/chuck-schumer-new-washington.html) the surprise spending deal (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/us/politics/house-vote-harvey-aid-debt-ceiling.html) they struck last week with President Trump.“Let’s put it this way,” Mr. McConnell, the Kentucky Republican and majority leader, said Monday in an interview for The New York Times podcast “The New Washington (https://www.nytimes.com/podcasts/new-washington).” “The deal is not quite as good as my counterpart thought it was.”
The reason? Mr. McConnell said that he insisted the newly passed legislation preserve Treasury’s ability to apply “extraordinary measures” and shift money within government accounts to pay off debt and extend federal borrowing power.
That will delay the need for another increase in the debt limit well beyond the December deadline that Democrats have been trumpeting as their big moment of leverage. And Mr. McConnell said he did so over the objections of Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the Democratic leader and aforementioned counterpart.


In fact, Mr. McConnell said, the debt limit will not have to be increased until well into 2018, taking that volatile subject off the table for the December spending talks, and eliminating the Democrats’ most dangerous bargaining chip in the first round of negotiations.

More at: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/11/us/politics/mitch-mcconnell-debt-limit-deal-trump-schumer.html