Sessions: DACA Being Rescinded

[r3volution 3.0]

He's giving the official announcement right now.

[r3volution 3.0]

Apparently, implementation is going to be delayed until some time next year, as expected, so we'll see what Congress does.

[timosman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL7ERMRW0VU

[FSP-Rebel]

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[PierzStyx]

You know, now that Texas looks like this:

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/harvey-aerials12-rockport-usa-ps-170830_17x9_992.jpg


I bet it is going to wish it had more illegal immigrants around.

Honetly, DACA was probably one of the few good things Obama did. It didn't give citizenship to illegal immigrants who had been here since childhood, but it did give them the legal ability to work, pay taxes, and contribute to society. It was, in essence, the "green card with an asterisk" that Dr. Ron Paul has talked about for nearly a decade now that neither provided a pathway to citizenship nor made illegal immigrants eligible for federal welfare or student aid. And given the fact that Social Security is ready to implode you would think they wouldn't want to cut off some 1.7 million revenue streams for it.

The argument for DACA's constitutionality is a funny one coming from an authoritarian administration like Trump's. Of course the US Constitution doesn't give the federal government any power to regulate immigration, so that argument is moot. All we are doing is arguing if DACA is legal and technically it is so. That it is so has more to do with the problems of the US government -namely that the US Constitution and its limitations on federal governments is entirely ignored- is of course the real problem. But the solution to that problem would not be one that Trump or his nationalist cohorts want.

[dannno]

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The political gamesmanship the President put on display relative to DACA is an example of a “masterstroke”. First off, it must be noted that DACA will be ending after a six month delay (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/09/breaking-report-potus-trump-ends-daca-six-month-delay/). Why the six month delay? Good question, this might be why: Republicans running for primaries during 2018 will HAVE to discuss DACA as it will be a major talking point in both the media and in debates.

Republicans trying to win their primaries KNOW that the #MAGA base is strong and dedicated to “making America great again,” so these conservatives will have to prove their loyalty to the vision President Trump presented in 2016.

Mike Cernovich does a Scott Adams style 5d chess analysis, and discusses the moral dilemma that DACA presents.

https://www.pscp.tv/Cernovich/1lDGLkaoBRYKm?


(https://www.pscp.tv/Cernovich/1lDGLkaoBRYKm?)

[dannno]

Honetly, DACA was probably one of the few good things Obama did.

Bringing in MS-13 was a good thing :confused:

[sparebulb]

It is a mistake not to implement this immediately.

Six more months of these poor young illegals being deprived of their native cultures, customs, and language will delay their reintegration in their home countries.

It is pretty racist of these people who want DACA and amnesty to think that it is abuse for them to live in their home countries.

[euphemia]

Honetly, DACA was probably one of the few good things Obama did. It didn't give citizenship to illegal immigrants who had been here since childhood, but it did give them the legal ability to work, pay taxes, and contribute to society. It was, in essence, the "green card with an asterisk" that Dr. Ron Paul has talked about for nearly a decade now that neither provided a pathway to citizenship nor made illegal immigrants eligible for federal welfare or student aid. And given the fact that Social Security is ready to implode you would think they wouldn't want to cut off some 1.7 million revenue streams for it.

The unconstitutionality of it is that it didn't give that right to all immigrants, legal or illegal. I have had several families close to me who had a lot of trouble navigating the maze of paperwork, red tape, and legal fees and had to sacrifice a lot to make it happen. It took years.

I have no problem with people coming here to work or study as long as they are working and studying. Extend it to all or extend it to none.

[timosman]

The unconstitutionality of it is that it didn't give that right to all immigrants, legal or illegal. I have had several families close to me who had a lot of trouble navigating the maze of paperwork, red tape, and legal fees and had to sacrifice a lot to make it happen. It took years.

I have no problem with people coming here to work or study as long as they are working and studying. Extend it to all or extend it to none.

You are trying to argue with someone who uses a current weather event to make a long term policy argument.:rolleyes:

[PierzStyx]

Bringing in MS-13 was a good thing :confused:

Legalize drugs. MS-13 will cease to be a problem. Got nothing to do with DACA.

[PierzStyx]

The unconstitutionality of it is that it didn't give that right to all immigrants, legal or illegal. I have had several families close to me who had a lot of trouble navigating the maze of paperwork, red tape, and legal fees and had to sacrifice a lot to make it happen. It took years.

I have no problem with people coming here to work or study as long as they are working and studying. Extend it to all or extend it to none.

The law as it is now gives the President broad powers to determine who and who isn't targeted for deportation.


Removal is a civil matter, and one of its principal features is the broad discretion exercised by immigration officials, who must decide whether to pursue removal at all. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), an agency within the Department of Homeland Security, is responsible for identifying, apprehending, and removing illegal aliens.

https://origin-www.bloomberglaw.com/public/desktop/document/Arizona_v_United_States_No_11182_2012_BL_157302_US _June_25_2012_C

DHS decides who to tell ICE to remove or who not to remove. And who controls DHS? The US President.

I'm with you though in principle. Extend it to all.

[PierzStyx]

You are trying to argue with someone who uses a current weather event to make a long term policy argument.:rolleyes:

To reduce a hurricane that has wrecked entire major metropolitan areas across multiple states, leaving millions homeless and costing billions is a bit absurd. Especially since Texas was already experiencing a construction shortage from immigration crackdowns.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/02/texas-home-builders-relying-on-immigrant-labor-feel-effects-immigrant-crackdown.html

[dannno]

Legalize drugs. MS-13 will cease to be a problem. Got nothing to do with DACA.

I have been advocating legalizing drugs for about 18 years.

I still don't think bringing MS-13 gang members here, in the mean time, is a good idea.

[Zippyjuan]

I have been advocating legalizing drugs for about 18 years.

I still don't think bringing MS-13 gang members here, in the mean time, is a good idea.

DACA doesn't apply to them anyways. To get listed as DACA you must pass a background check.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/consideration-deferred-action-childhood-arrivals-process/frequently-asked-questions


You may request consideration of DACA if you:

Were under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012;

Came to the United States before reaching your 16th birthday;

Have continuously resided in the United States since June 15, 2007, up to the present time;

Were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making your request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS;

Had no lawful status on June 15, 2012, meaning that:

You never had a lawful immigration status on or before June 15, 2012, or

Any lawful immigration status or parole that you obtained prior to June 15, 2012, had expired as of June 15, 2012;

Are currently in school, have graduated or obtained a certificate of completion from high school, have obtained a General Educational Development (GED) certificate, or are an honorably discharged veteran of the Coast Guard or Armed Forces of the United States; and

Have not been convicted of a felony, a significant misdemeanor, three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety.

[dannno]

DACA doesn't apply to them anyways. To get listed as DACA you must pass a background check.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/consideration-deferred-action-childhood-arrivals-process/frequently-asked-questions

...right

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/24/whistleblower-dhs-knowingly-let-ms-13-gang-members/

[r3volution 3.0]

You know, now that Texas looks like this:

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/harvey-aerials12-rockport-usa-ps-170830_17x9_992.jpg


I bet it is going to wish it had more illegal immigrants around.

Honetly, DACA was probably one of the few good things Obama did. It didn't give citizenship to illegal immigrants who had been here since childhood, but it did give them the legal ability to work, pay taxes, and contribute to society. It was, in essence, the "green card with an asterisk" that Dr. Ron Paul has talked about for nearly a decade now that neither provided a pathway to citizenship nor made illegal immigrants eligible for federal welfare or student aid. And given the fact that Social Security is ready to implode you would think they wouldn't want to cut off some 1.7 million revenue streams for it.

The argument for DACA's constitutionality is a funny one coming from an authoritarian administration like Trump's. Of course the US Constitution doesn't give the federal government any power to regulate immigration, so that argument is moot. All we are doing is arguing if DACA is legal and technically it is so. That it is so has more to do with the problems of the US government -namely that the US Constitution and its limitations on federal governments is entirely ignored- is of course the real problem. But the solution to that problem would not be one that Trump or his nationalist cohorts want.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to PierzStyx again."

As for the way Trump's rolled this out, pretending to suddenly care about constitutionality, and kicking it to Congress, well...

...obvious charade is obvious.

[ILUVRP]

i would be willing to bet a hell of a lot more dreamers are serving and dying in our military than neocons and politicians kids .

[EBounding]

It's funny how both sides think this is the end of DACA. Trump obviously wants to keep it.

[Southron]

Checkmate. This is a "screw you" to the Party leadership, perhaps for holding up his agenda. Many of the Republicans are on record condemning DACA. Now Trump has put passing new legislation on their shoulders. If they pass it people will be able to run to their right on immigration in the primaries. In the meantime, the media will hound them until they pass a bill.

They were probably planning on just calling out Trump for ending DACA and getting away with not having to pass anything. It's hilarious.

[dannno]

It's funny how both sides think this is the end of DACA. Trump obviously wants to keep it.

Wrong. Are you back on the CNN or something?

Trump wants to hold Congressional Reps responsible for their actions so that voters will know where they stand and can get rid of them in 2018 if they disagree with their decision on this issue.

He is helping drain the Congressional swamp of representatives who don't represent their constituents.

He is also acting in a Constitutional manner, which is not surprising to those of us who veered away from CNN logic during the election.

[r3volution 3.0]

It's funny how both sides think this is the end of DACA. Trump obviously wants to keep it.

As with most every political issue, I'd say Trump doesn't really care.

I'd say his goal here is to satisfy his base without totally enraging everyone else.

He's probably hoping Congress does nothing; then he say to his base that he killed it, and to everyone else that it's Congress's fault.

[timosman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU089nnBK9M

[UWDude]

All we are doing is arguing.....

"we"

again?

Geeze, you would think you'd be more careful after zippy slipped up.

[Anti Federalist]

Good.

http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/nrgcyc/picture171407062/alternates/FREE_640/JRW%20DACA%201

Seriously, good.

Get the fuck out of my country.

We have a big enough problem with Communists, Christian Progressives and general assholes, without importing more.

[devil21]

Let them eat red meat!

The illegals were let in to provide more debt slave bodies for the bankers.

[EBounding]

Wrong. Are you back on the CNN or something?

Trump wants to hold Congressional Reps responsible for their actions so that voters will know where they stand and can get rid of them in 2018 if they disagree with their decision on this issue.

He is helping drain the Congressional swamp of representatives who don't represent their constituents.

He is also acting in a Constitutional manner, which is not surprising to those of us who veered away from CNN logic during the election.

He's going to hold the reps responsible by revisiting the issue if they don't?

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[Superfluous Man]

Here's a quote from the transcript of Sessions' announcement on this:

To have a lawful system of immigration that serves the national interest, we cannot admit everyone who would like to come here. That is an open border policy and the American people have rightly rejected it.

Therefore, the nation must set and enforce a limit on how many immigrants we admit each year and that means all can not be accepted.

So let's all agree to stop pushing the lie that this is just about illegal immigration and not a more general anti-immigration stance.



Here's another line from it:

We inherited from our Founders—and have advanced—an unsurpassed legal heritage, which is the foundation of our freedom, safety, and prosperity.

Ironic. Since the legal heritage we inherited from our founders was the very same one he calls "open borders" that he claims the American people have "rightly rejected."

[Carlybee]

I have been advocating legalizing drugs for about 18 years.

I still don't think bringing MS-13 gang members here, in the mean time, is a good idea.


Actually MS-13 has been here for years. Many of them were raised here.

[Superfluous Man]

I still don't think bringing MS-13 gang members here, in the mean time, is a good idea.

Notice how any time libertarians advocate laissez faire immigration policies, where the government stays out of the way and lets people move freely where they will, engaging in commerce with one another according to the agreements the various parties make with each other apart from any direction by central managers in the regime, the alt-right crowd tries to turn it reframe that as us actively intervening and "bringing in" or "importing" people from other countries.

[dannno]

Notice how any time libertarians advocate laissez faire immigration policies, where the government stays out of the way and lets people move freely where they will, engaging in commerce with one another according to the agreements the various parties make with each other apart from any direction by central managers in the regime, the alt-right crowd tries to turn it reframe that as us actively intervening and "bringing in" or "importing" people from other countries.

It is impossible to have a "free" immigration policy when we have a huge socialist net, but nice try.

It's really more like prostitution, we pay them to come here. Would they come here without the socialism? Do they come here for the work, the culture, and the values of freedom, or do they come to vote for Democrats and get free handouts?

[dannno]

He's going to hold the reps responsible by revisiting the issue if they don't?

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DACA was an unconstitutional executive fatwah, Trump got rid of it and handed it to congress - but he is giving them time to craft something, so they can either craft something that the American people like and vote for it, or they can vote for something they don't like and get primaried in 2018, or they can vote "no".

[juleswin]

He's going to hold the reps responsible by revisiting the issue if they don't?

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This 1000x. People should understand that Trump is and has always been a NE big govt liberal. He is not trying to end DACA, he just wanted to make the law official, something Obama could not do.

The fan bois are eating this up like he was going to do something about children of illegals in the country. DACA or some form of it would be law in a year time and you can quote me on it.

[dannno]

This 1000x. People should understand that Trump is and has always been a NE big govt liberal. He is not trying to end DACA, he just wanted to make the law official, something Obama could not do.

The fan bois are eating this up like he was going to do something about children of illegals in the country. DACA or some form of it would be law in a year time and you can quote me on it.

I'm actually pretty ambivalent about what happens to the illegals, I'm more interested in what happens to the congress critters in 2018.

But keep watching CNN, by all means, just keep repeating what the mainstream media says because obviously that will get you very far in life.

[EBounding]

DACA was an unconstitutional executive fatwah, Trump got rid of it and handed it to congress - but he is giving them time to craft something, so they can either craft something that the American people like and vote for it, or they can vote for something they don't like and get primaried in 2018, or they can vote "no".

And what will happen if they don't come up with anything? I think Trump gives us a hint:

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Nothing. He'll end up doing his own Trump executive order with many great and wonderful improvements.

[dannno]

And what will happen if they don't come up with anything? I think Trump gives us a hint:

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Nothing. He'll end up doing his own Trump executive order with many great and wonderful improvements.

Well then maybe you should call up all the congress critters and tell them to call his bluff?

Of course you completely missed the entire point of why he is doing it this way.

[timosman]

And what will happen if they don't come up with anything? I think Trump gives us a hint:

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Nothing. He'll end up doing his own Trump executive order with many great and wonderful improvements.

https://linettebullockdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/fail_meme.jpg

[juleswin]

I'm actually pretty ambivalent about what happens to the illegals, I'm more interested in what happens to the congress critters in 2018.

But keep watching CNN, by all means, just keep repeating what the mainstream media says because obviously that will get you very far in life.

Why would you say that to me? yes we disagree on 99.9% of the issues but that don't mean I am some CNN watching troll. so you know, I don't watch CNN other than the few seconds I see while in my patient's room. But if I did watch CNN, I would be going along with the fake story that Donald Trump did actually rescind DACA which I don't think he did. He just gave congress a 6 month window to come up with a bill and then after 6 month would he consider enforcing the pre DACA rules.

[Zippyjuan]

Well then maybe you should call up all the congress critters and tell them to call his bluff?

Of course you completely missed the entire point of why he is doing it this way.

Trump says a lot of things. And then says something different on the same subject. Which means you cannot take him at his word. That tweet was actually because Pelosi asked him to make it:


Pelosi urged Trump tweet on DACA, says president willing to sign Dream Act


President Trump indicated that he was willing to sign the long-stalled Dream Act into law if it passes Congress, House Minority Leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi said Thursday, another sign that Trump may be uneasy about his decision to phase out DACA.

Pelosi said she encouraged the president in a morning phone call to assure young immigrants that they are not in immediate danger of deportation.

Trump tweeted a message to the so-called Dreamers shortly after his conversation with Pelosi, saying they were in "no danger" during the six months he has given Congress to find a solution to the program.

"The president, I think -- I'm hoping and I'm praying ... that the president really cares about the Dreamers," the San Francisco Democrat told reporters.

Democrats have vowed to push a vote on the Dream Act, a bill first introduced in 2001 but never approved, as part of must-pass legislation on the congressional agenda this fall.

The latest version of the bill would put young immigrants who were brought into the country illegally as children on a path to legal status.

About 800,000 who received work permits and other protections under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program could be affected.

Trump on Wednesday outlined the contours of a deal that would beef up border security as part of a legislative fix for DACA, which President Obama created in 2012.

"It's very clear he wants Congress to act to get this done," Pelosi said, adding the president indicated he would suppport the Dream Act. "The president said he supports that, he would sign it."

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Which means you cannot take him at his word.


Pot, meet kettle.

[devil21]

Notice how any time libertarians advocate laissez faire immigration policies, where the government stays out of the way and lets people move freely where they will, engaging in commerce with one another according to the agreements the various parties make with each other apart from any direction by central managers in the regime, the alt-right crowd tries to turn it reframe that as us actively intervening and "bringing in" or "importing" people from other countries.

I recall reading that flyers were distributed throughout central america enticing them to migrate here, instead of the migration being merely freedom of choice through self-motivated education to find better opportunities. I also recall DHS being caught on camera multiple times resettling masses of border-jumping immigrants on buses.

Speaking of reframing, seems you're implying they all just decided to come here on a whim even though the historical evidence and the reality of how government debt is created says otherwise. I don't particularly hold a position on whether all of that was right or wrong but let's try to be intellectually honest, ok? Nice history re-writing attempt though!

[Superfluous Man]

I recall reading that flyers were distributed throughout central america enticing them to migrate here, instead of the migration being merely freedom of choice through self-motivated education to find better opportunities.

I'm not familiar with that story, but when someone chooses to do something in response to the enticement of what they read on a flyer, that's still freedom of choice through self-motivated education to find better opportunities. Or are you thinking the flyers had hypnotic powers?

[Weston White]

I'm not familiar with that story, but when someone chooses to do something in response to the enticement of what they read on a flyer, that's still freedom of choice through self-motivated education to find better opportunities. Or are you thinking the flyers had hypnotic powers?

You be't hypnodized!


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[helmuth_hubener]

You know, now that Texas looks like this:

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/harvey-aerials12-rockport-usa-ps-170830_17x9_992.jpg


I bet it is going to wish it had more illegal immigrants around.

Moar Criminals will solverate EVERYTHING!

[timosman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU089nnBK9M

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