Cop arrests and drags nurse from hospital for refusing warrantless blood draw on patient

[kahless]

'Stop! I’ve done nothing wrong': Nurse shares police video of 'crazy' arrest by S.L. officer
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865687903/Stop-I7ve-done-nothing-wrong-Nurse-shares-police-video-of-crazy-arrest-by-SL-officer.html

Payne, a veteran Salt Lake police officer, was sent to the hospital by another police agency to get vials of blood for the investigation. But because the patient was not a suspect in the crash nor faced potential criminal charges, because he was unconscious and unable to give consent, and because the officer did not have a warrant, Wubbels — one of the supervisors that night — did not allow him to draw blood.

"If they needed blood, then they needed to go through to proper channels to take it,” she said.
...
Porter said Payne argued that he was allowed to take the blood through a process known as "implied consent." But she said that law was changed years ago.
...
Payne can be heard talking about his other job as an ambulance driver, and how Wubbels' arrest might affect that.

"I’ll bring 'em all the transients and take the good patients elsewhere," he is heard saying about the hospital.

"Even if he’s joking, this is not funny," Porter said. "I mean, there are so many things wrong with that statement I can’t even begin.”


The Salt Lake Tribune Video 1:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihQ1-LQOkns

KSL News Report

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhCFLmfZn-Q

Full 19 minute video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJPVglqR4yM

[timosman]

We also looked at our policies and procedures to see if maybe there was something that needed to be done.:rolleyes:

[phill4paul]

I can save taxpayers dollars. Please send cop to the back of my shed postage paid.

[jkr]

#gotrope?

...nope

#pussies

[phill4paul]

Someone needs to dox that cop.

[Raginfridus]

And its not like this was a traffic stop-n-murder, the cop flew off in front of a dozen people. 12 adults are a jury of peers... just saying, America.

[timosman]

Might makes right - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Might_makes_right

[Schifference]

Cops will be cops. This story is not about the corrupt police state but the heroic nurse.

[angelatc]

Nurses name is Alex Wubbels, which is what I searched for before almost making a dupe post.

Having said that, there are plenty of people siding with the cops. After all, if you don't have anything to hide...

[Brian4Liberty]

Just as a tangential aspect of this incident, this is what happens when one unquestionable authority runs into another unquestionable authority.

The difference being that one uses force directly, while the other depends upon directing the other to use force on their behalf.

(All in a general sense, not applied to this specific nurse necessarily.)

[specsaregood]

and the other cops just watched. no good cops.

[jllundqu]

The nurse isn't even taking civil action against the department for false arrest. Give me a fucking break. Talk about lambs to the slaughter.


Wubbels has not filed any civil action against the police agencies involved.

"I think right now, I believe in the goodness of society. I want to see people do the right thing first and I want to see this be a civil discourse. And if that’s not something that’s going to happen and there is refusal to acknowledge the need for growth and the need for re-education, then we will likely be forced to take that type of step. But people need to know that this is out there,” she said.

[angelatc]

The nurse isn't even taking civil action against the department for false arrest. Give me a fucking break. Talk about lambs to the slaughter.


But people need to know that this is out there,” she said.



Yeah. People have been writing about it for decades,filming it since cell phones became cameras, and she was blind to it. Now she thinks we were all blind to it, and it's just an isolated case.

[Origanalist]

Yeah. People have been writing about it for decades,filming it since cell phones became cameras, and she was blind to it. Now she thinks we were all blind to it, and it's just an isolated case.


"I think right now, I believe in the goodness of society. I want to see people do the right thing first and I want to see this be a civil discourse.

She lives in a cocoon of her own making apparently.

[angelatc]

She lives in a cocoon of her own making apparently.

We all do.

[SeanTX]

She lives in a cocoon of her own making apparently.

I think part of it may be that nurses are considered to at least somewhat be part of the "blue line family."

I've seen plenty of cops online talking about how nurses are one of the groups that will always get "professional courtesy" from them.

Though I guess another aspect of that is cops think if they don't give nurses a "break", someday they will be "remembered" if they ever need emergency care (though I'd hope most nurses would be more professional and ethical than that, still I've heard some "joking" about that sort of thing, and not just 'online'). It seems like any group that has power over others always ends up having 'power trip' issues of some sort -- just human nature.

The ironic thing in this story was that the truck driver the vampires wanted blood from is an LEO himself -- but the crash was the result of a (probably) stupid high-speed police chase, so of course they are going to look for a way to shift blame onto the victim, even if it means eating one of their own -- or arresting hospital staff who they usually try to get along with.

[Origanalist]

I think part of it may be that nurses are considered to at least somewhat be part of the "blue line family."

I've seen plenty of cops online talking about how nurses are one of the groups that will always get "professional courtesy" from them.

The ironic thing in this story was that the truck driver the vampires wanted blood from is an LEO himself -- but the crash was the result of a (probably) stupid high-speed police chase, so of course they are going to look for a way to shift blame onto the victim, even if it means eating one of their own -- or arresting hospital staff who they usually try to get along with.

Ya, I read the story and that's exactly what this is about. Trying to cover their asses no matter who takes the blame. As long as it isn't them. Blue lives matter.

[Origanalist]

We all do.

Hmmm. I suppose, to varying degrees.

[KEEF]

903594054893625344

[Anti Federalist]

Jesus fucking Christ...

[jllundqu]

Jesus fucking Christ...

You just saw this thread? lol.... Oh man wish I was there to take your blood pressure.

[Anti Federalist]

You just saw this thread? lol.... Oh man wish I was there to take your blood pressure.

Your sphyganometer would have exploded.

[sparebulb]

Who wants to bet that the solution for this situation will be the hospital, the cops, and the state legislature getting together to come up with a law that allows kops to take blood from anybody, anywhere, anytime.

Problem solved.

[jllundqu]

It amazes me that the nurse even challenged the cop and that she ACTUALLY KNEW THE CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENTS!

Warrant, Suspect in a Crime, consent, or GTFO.....

[Anti Federalist]

And what makes this worse?

The cop MAY be right.

The man they tried taking blood from is a commercial driver.

Under FedGov commercial driving rules, just like pilots, mariners and engineers, you have no rights.

You are subject to a mandatory post accident drug screen regardless of who caused a fatal accident.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/382.303

Thanks again Ronald fucking Reagan.

[Anti Federalist]

“Help! Help! Somebody help me! Stop! Stop! I did nothing wrong!” Wubbels screamed.

https://watchers.news/data/thumbs/798_296/2012/12/4369918522_c442539502.jpg

[sparebulb]

If anyone wants to really be infuriated, just watch the entire footage on youtube.

Kop's buddy interrogates her in the police car and struts his stuff about how HIS law trumps her authorities and responsibilities. He seems to be trying to continue to coerce her into something. Or he is just getting a hard-on intimidating a helpless girl.

Faggy dude nurse or aid tries to help her throughout but he gets no traction because he continues to grovel to the kops by calling them "sir" constantly.

Obese hospital security guards just stand by, but at least they don't look very happy.

[specsaregood]

It amazes me that the nurse even challenged the cop and that she ACTUALLY KNEW THE CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENTS!

Warrant, Suspect in a Crime, consent, or GTFO.....

IIRC, she did not cite constitutional requirements but her facilities policies. If the hospital policies had told her to do it, she would have.

[kahless]

The nurse isn't even taking civil action against the department for false arrest. Give me a fucking break. Talk about lambs to the slaughter.

I wondered about this to considering she has a good case and no one outside of the community would fault her. It would not be self serving to do so since rather these lawsuits can help keep departments in check. When people fail to hold the cops and departments or people for that matter accountable for bad behavior they typically become emboldened to continue the behavior upon others.

For all we know what is going on around her is people that worship at the altar of the police can do no wrong, are trying to social condition her to do otherwise. This could include police familiar with the facility and her social network, friends of police, family, co-workers and employers. Could even be some of those cops are now acting like they are her, her co-workers and possibly family best friends in a PR campaign to make this go away. It would take a very strong woman to not be fooled or influenced by that.

On the other it could also be the reverse of that and she as well as everyone else is in fear of retribution.

[charrob]

I really hope she thinks long and hard about this and gets a good lawyer to charge this thug with assault. Because that's exactly what this is. He should never ever be allowed to have another job as a cop, ambulance driver, or security guard: he's proven he cannot be trusted with that authority and it needs to be taken away from him permanently.

[nobody's_hero]

It amazes me that the nurse even challenged the cop and that she ACTUALLY KNEW THE CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENTS!

Warrant, Suspect in a Crime, consent, or GTFO.....

It's not just a constitutional requirement (although that should be the main reason). There's also HIPPA which is drilled into our heads from day 1 of job orientation. Essentially there's only two ways to share any sort of patient information, someone comes to you with a warrant or a patient gives you permission.

[kahless]

‘Unjust,’ ‘unacceptable’: Salt Lake mayor, police chief react as outrage builds over nurse's arrest
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865687969/Salt-Lake-mayor-police-chief-react-as-outrage-builds-over-nurses-arrest.html

After Wubbels' story spread nationally in a matter of hours, Salt Lake City Mayor Jackie Biskupski called the arrest "unjust" and "unacceptable" during a news conference Friday. The mayor said she learned of the July 26 incident when she saw the video Thursday.

Biskupski called Wubbels this morning, she said, and apologized for "what she went through for simply doing her job."

"No medical professional in Salt Lake City should be hindered from performing their duties, and certainly not be fearful of the police officers they come into contact and work in partnership (with) often to save the lives of others," she said.

Standing at the mayor's side, Salt Lake Police Chief Mike Brown said the department took immediate action after the incident, including updating its policies regarding blood draws, meeting with representatives from the hospital and University of Utah law enforcement, and apologizing for what occurred.

Brown also confirmed that the Salt Lake police detective in the video, Jeff Payne, has been suspended from the blood draw program but has not been placed on leave.

Brown conceded he was "alarmed" by what he saw in the officer's video, saying he hopes the department can "learn from mistakes."


Hollow words. They apologize only after public outrage but keep the officer on duty. Meh.

It is not just the officers actions with this nurse. There was no reason for him to even ask for a blood draw on the victim who was hit head-on by a wrong way driver the cops were chasing as shown from dash cam. (What was his intent here, perhaps put some of the blame for the accident on the truck driver so the cops are not culpable for any blame in the chase?!)

He also threatened as an ambulance driver to take patients to other hospitals which could depending on time and location put patients at risk.

[RonZeplin]

The nurse is lucky that they didn't perform a blood draw on her while she was in the cop car. :eek:

They seem a bit needle happy, to say the least.

[sparebulb]

The nurse is lucky that they didn't perform a blood draw on her while she was in the cop car. :eek:

They seem a bit needle happy, to say the least.

Or an eleven minute cavity search.

[navy-vet]

https://cdn.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_s/2017/Sep/1/LiveLeak-dot-com-f7b_1504264709-111_1504264717.png?8Tfg_zDS2VWbFN_Ha1ImMKClwOS67IT QhGGBAQ_4kj9KopSYloCWPymGOYD0Xvuz&ec_rate=499

[Raginfridus]

The nurse isn't even taking civil action against the department for false arrest. Give me a $#@!ing break. Talk about lambs to the slaughter.Court is a Civil discourse, Wubbels. Its there to stir a discourse over these kinds of State crimes, but she's too wubbely not make a case for yourself. Re-education is simply more propaganda by another name. The only "re-education" we can expect from a police state is further domestication. If she won't charge, what in the world does she think we're going to do? How entitled can she be?!

[CaptUSA]

Lol. Now. Now, people are finally getting outraged over abuse of power. I guess that's a good thing.

But it seems like America is a little late to the party on this one.

[enhanced_deficit]

This goes against our freedom values at so many levels.
Who designs training courses for our policing forces? Major changes in course materials are needed in Utah/other states if not complete overhaul.




Un-related

Suit alleges Salt Lake police used excessive force
73-year-old says police kicked and tackled him
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/660209709/Suit-alleges-Salt-Lake-police-used-excessive-force.html


Six police officers shot in Utah
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8996129/Six-police-officers-shot-in-Utah.html

[angelatc]

https://cdn.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_s/2017/Sep/1/LiveLeak-dot-com-f7b_1504264709-111_1504264717.png?8Tfg_zDS2VWbFN_Ha1ImMKClwOS67IT QhGGBAQ_4kj9KopSYloCWPymGOYD0Xvuz&ec_rate=499

How annoying. They don't allow hot links but here's a link. It's a different bodycam video: Different body cam of Utah nurse being arrested (https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9e7_1504237270)

[timosman]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?514607-Cop-arrests-and-drags-nurse-from-hospital-for-refusing-warrantless-blood-draw-on-patient

[oyarde]

The Mayor should demand the police chief fire the officer.

[navy-vet]

The Mayor should demand the police chief fire the officer.
And so they move on to another department because the City doesn't want to give a bad reference and chance a lawsuit.

[navy-vet]

Fortunately for her there were witnesses and cams otherwise he would have likely "loosened her up some" with a baton or taser either before or after the cuffs. Can't have these mundanes questioning the authority of the enforcers.

[Raginfridus]

But it seems like America is a little late to the party on this one.Yeah, way too late, and not even fashionable. And sense she isn't prosecuting, I don't feel sorry for her either.

[Origanalist]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIvmbUrXoAA7dzV.jpg

[phill4paul]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIvmbUrXoAA7dzV.jpg

No shit. Could you imagine what would have happened if someone had told one of the other cops "Looks like that is going to be a coupla million from your retirement pension." I believe there would have been some escalation to de-escalate real quick.

[Anti Federalist]

Police Union Complains That Public Got to See Them Roughing Up Utah Nurse

http://reason.com/blog/2017/09/27/police-union-complains-that-public-got-t

Transparency about behavior of government employees is not a violation of due process.

Scott Shackford|Sep. 27, 2017 1:25 pm

Alex WubbelsSalt Lake City PoliceThe head of the Salt Lake Police Association has watched the country's outrage over the videos showing a nurse getting arrested for refusing to draw a man's blood without a warrant and has decided the correct response is to complain that the public got to see what its officers did.

Union head Stephen Hartney sent a letter to the city's mayor and police chief to complain video of the brief arrest of nurse Alex Wubbels has made "pariahs" of Det. Jeff Payne and his watch commander at the time of the incident, Lt. James Tracy.

Wubbels became an insta-celebrity on Labor Day weekend after she released police body camera footage showing Payne very forcefully arresting her at University of Utah Hospital because she refused his demand that she draw blood from an unconscious victim of a nasty high-speed car crash. The patient, William Gray, was not a suspect, nor involved in the chase, and Payne didn't have a warrant. Wubbels, surrounded by staff at the hospital, explained that she was not permitted to draw the man's blood. Payne arrested her, in what appeared on video to be sheer frustration at having been defied.

Payne and Tracy have been placed on leave while the case was investigated. A couple of weeks ago the city revealed an internal investigation and a civilian review board determined the two officers violated department policies.

Hartney this week complained the police body camera footage should not have been publicly released until the investigation was completed. From the Salt Lake Tribune:

The letter said the union was, at this point, not arguing or even discussing the merits of the allegations raised against the officers. "Rather we are solely concerned... with the 'investigatory process' which we believe has been corrupted."

The letter claims the city has not followed an "agreed upon and carefully scripted process" for investigating the conduct of police officers. At the news conference, Hartney focused on if the city should have released the footage so soon under the state's Government Records Access and Management Act (GRAMA), considering the release could have interfered with the internal affairs investigation.

The release of the body cam footage and information from the disciplinary investigation "has created a public furor which makes reasoned determinations difficult, if not impossible," the letter states.

The city, however, didn't release the videos. It agreed to a request by Wubbels to release the footage to her, following the law Hartney referenced. The city said it had no good reason to deny the video footage to Wubbels.

The two officers weren't even put on administrative leave until after Wubbels went public with the video footage.

What might have been forgotten in all of this is Wubbels released the video because she believed she was exposing a widespread problem of police bullying nurses into drawing blood without consent or a warrant.

And while Wubbels was pleased the Salt Lake City Police had been responsive to her claims of abuse, she and other hospital staff were concerned about other law enforcement agencies, including university police. Campus police did absolutely nothing during the arrest, and since then the hospital has implemented new policies to limit police access to parts of the hospital.

Public pressure and response is important to holding police officers accountable. They are public servants, and Hartney's responses, like we've seen from other police union leaders, misuse the concept of due process to try to conceal information from the people to whom the police are supposed to answer.

Yesterday we saw that a North Carolina law exempting body camera footage from public records requests was very clearly being used to try to shield police from exposure of conduct that might expose them to public criticism.

Gray, the car crash victim unable to consent to Payne's demand for a blood draw, died Monday while still in the hospital.

[Created4]

Police Union Complains That Public Got to See Them Roughing Up Utah Nurse

http://reason.com/blog/2017/09/27/police-union-complains-that-public-got-t

Transparency about behavior of government employees is not a violation of due process.

Scott Shackford|Sep. 27, 2017 1:25 pm

Alex WubbelsSalt Lake City PoliceThe head of the Salt Lake Police Association has watched the country's outrage over the videos showing a nurse getting arrested for refusing to draw a man's blood without a warrant and has decided the correct response is to complain that the public got to see what its officers did.

Union head Stephen Hartney sent a letter to the city's mayor and police chief to complain video of the brief arrest of nurse Alex Wubbels has made "pariahs" of Det. Jeff Payne and his watch commander at the time of the incident, Lt. James Tracy.

Wubbels became an insta-celebrity on Labor Day weekend after she released police body camera footage showing Payne very forcefully arresting her at University of Utah Hospital because she refused his demand that she draw blood from an unconscious victim of a nasty high-speed car crash. The patient, William Gray, was not a suspect, nor involved in the chase, and Payne didn't have a warrant. Wubbels, surrounded by staff at the hospital, explained that she was not permitted to draw the man's blood. Payne arrested her, in what appeared on video to be sheer frustration at having been defied.

Payne and Tracy have been placed on leave while the case was investigated. A couple of weeks ago the city revealed an internal investigation and a civilian review board determined the two officers violated department policies.

Hartney this week complained the police body camera footage should not have been publicly released until the investigation was completed. From the Salt Lake Tribune:

The letter said the union was, at this point, not arguing or even discussing the merits of the allegations raised against the officers. "Rather we are solely concerned... with the 'investigatory process' which we believe has been corrupted."

The letter claims the city has not followed an "agreed upon and carefully scripted process" for investigating the conduct of police officers. At the news conference, Hartney focused on if the city should have released the footage so soon under the state's Government Records Access and Management Act (GRAMA), considering the release could have interfered with the internal affairs investigation.

The release of the body cam footage and information from the disciplinary investigation "has created a public furor which makes reasoned determinations difficult, if not impossible," the letter states.

The city, however, didn't release the videos. It agreed to a request by Wubbels to release the footage to her, following the law Hartney referenced. The city said it had no good reason to deny the video footage to Wubbels.

The two officers weren't even put on administrative leave until after Wubbels went public with the video footage.

What might have been forgotten in all of this is Wubbels released the video because she believed she was exposing a widespread problem of police bullying nurses into drawing blood without consent or a warrant.

And while Wubbels was pleased the Salt Lake City Police had been responsive to her claims of abuse, she and other hospital staff were concerned about other law enforcement agencies, including university police. Campus police did absolutely nothing during the arrest, and since then the hospital has implemented new policies to limit police access to parts of the hospital.

Public pressure and response is important to holding police officers accountable. They are public servants, and Hartney's responses, like we've seen from other police union leaders, misuse the concept of due process to try to conceal information from the people to whom the police are supposed to answer.

Yesterday we saw that a North Carolina law exempting body camera footage from public records requests was very clearly being used to try to shield police from exposure of conduct that might expose them to public criticism.

Gray, the car crash victim unable to consent to Payne's demand for a blood draw, died Monday while still in the hospital.

1st Amendment. Police are public servants, and as such their actions can be publicly exposed, legally.

In addition, as soon as there is a complaint filed or lawsuit filed, all that information is protected under the 1st Amendment and can be legally shared with the public.

So nurse Wubbels is standing on firm legal ground.

[kahless]

Utah police officer who handcuffed, dragged nurse in video fired
http://abc7ny.com/utah-police-officer-who-handcuffed-dragged-nurse-in-video-fired/2517528/

Salt Lake City Police Chief Mike Brown made the decision after an internal investigation found evidence Detective Jeff Payne violated department policies when he arrested nurse Alex Wubbels and dragged her out of the hospital as she screamed on July 26, said Sgt. Brandon Shearer, a spokesman for the department.

Payne's supervisor, Lt. James Tracy, was also demoted to officer.
....

Payne was also fired from a part-time job as a paramedic after he was caught on camera saying he'd take transient patients to the University of Utah hospital where Wubbels worked and take the "good patients" elsewhere as retribution.

[sparebulb]

Rank has its privileges. Payne's boss, who authorized the arrest, was merely demoted.

It should be easy for the Fraternal Order to bring these guys back up to speed.

With backpay.

[angelatc]

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/36566279/utah-officer-fired-after-nurses-arrest-caught-on-video?utm_content=buffer9c8e0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Cop fired. $20 says he doesn't stay that way.


A Utah police officer was fired Tuesday after being seen on video roughly handcuffing a nurse because she refused to allow a blood draw in an incident that became a flashpoint in the national conversation about use of force.

Salt Lake City Police Chief Mike Brown made the decision to fire Detective Jeff Payne after an internal investigation found he violated department policies when he arrested nurse Alex Wubbels and dragged her screaming from the hospital, department spokesman Sgt. Brandon Shearer said.

Brown said in a disciplinary letter that he was "deeply troubled" by Payne's conduct, which he described as "inappropriate, unreasonable, unwarranted, discourteous, disrespectful" and said brought "significant disrepute" on the department.

"You demonstrated extremely poor professional judgment (especially for an officer with 27 years of experience), which calls into question your ability to effectively serve the public and the department," Brown wrote.

Attorney Greg Skordas, who represents Payne, said his client plans to appeal a firing he considers unfair and over the top. Skordas said Payne would still be employed if the body camera footage hadn't generated so much attention and blown the events out of proportion. (Probably true, but that only means there should be more firings.)

Payne's supervisor, Lt. James Tracy, was demoted to officer. His lawyer, Ed Brass, couldn't immediately be reached.

Tracy made an impulsive decision in ordering Payne to arrest Wubbels without first taking time to understand the facts of the situation and the law, Brown wrote in his disciplinary letter.

He said the order created chaos and unnecessarily escalated the situation.

"Your lack of judgment and leadership in this matter is unacceptable, and as a result, I no longer believe that you can retain a leadership position in the department," Brown said.

The letter said Wubbels told investigators that Tracy minimized her concerns, intimidated and lectured her, and made her feel like she was to blame for the events.

The Associated Press obtained the disciplinary letters for Payne and Tracy through a public records request.

Wubbels' attorney, Karra Porter, said they are pleased that Brown took action and recognized that the officers made crucial mistakes that have eroded public trust. Porter said she hopes the events are a catalyst to more public conversations about appropriate police behavior.

The case shows the vital importance of officers wearing body cameras and making those videos available to the public, Porter said.

"Without the body camera footage, it would have been a she-said, they-said," Porter said. "Alex feels very strongly that her story would have never been told if it weren't for the body camera footage."

Asked about a potential lawsuit, Porter said she expects to meet soon with city officials to discuss next steps that could include settlement talks.

The officers have five business days to appeal the decisions by the chief.

The case received widespread attention after police body-camera video was released by Wubbels and her lawyer in late August.

The video showed her explaining that hospital policy required a warrant or formal consent to draw blood from the patient who had been injured in a car crash.

The patient wasn't suspected of wrongdoing. He was an off-duty reserve Idaho police officer driving a semitrailer when he was hit by a man fleeing police in a pickup truck.

Payne nevertheless insisted on the blood draw, saying the evidence would protect the man.

Payne told Wubbels his supervisor said he should arrest her if she didn't allow the draw. Wubbels was later freed from the handcuffs and has not been charged.

Both officers were investigated and placed on paid administrative leave after the video became public. Salt Lake City police apologized and changed their policies.

Prosecutors, meanwhile, opened a criminal investigation into the arrest and asked the FBI to determine if there were any civil rights violations.

Payne was also fired from a part-time job as a paramedic after he was caught on camera saying he'd take transient patients to the University of Utah hospital where Wubbels worked and transport "good patients" elsewhere.

Payne had previously been disciplined in 2013 after internal-affairs investigators confirmed that he sexually harassed a female co-worker in a "persistent and severe" way.

His tenure also brought commendations for solving burglary cases and being shot in the shoulder during a traffic stop in 1998.

Tracy, meanwhile, earned commendations for drug and burglary investigations.

[nobody's_hero]

The patient whose rights she was trying to protect died. I'd be curious to know what he would think of his 'brother' in blue, Mr. Payne, if he had been aware of what was going on. The Rigby Police Dept. came out in support of the nurse's actions. Based on their department's facebook page, with the posts about lost dogs being found, it looks more like Mayberry. Not trying to be insulting, we could use more Mayberrys.

[fisharmor]

The patient whose rights she was trying to protect died. I'd be curious to know what he would think of his 'brother' in blue, Mr. Payne, if he had been aware of what was going on. The Rigby Police Dept. came out in support of the nurse's actions. Based on their department's facebook page, with the posts about lost dogs being found, it looks more like Mayberry. Not trying to be insulting, we could use more Mayberrys.

Do I get a flying car there? Can I make $500 an hour for playing video games? Do I get a blowjob every time I forget to switch the laundry?

You know, as long as we're dreaming about fictional places that never existed, might as well go for broke.

[RJB]

Could you imagine any of us assaulting a woman for doing her job, and then, not just avoiding arrest and procecution but having a union fighting for us?

[euphemia]

The few stories I have heard about this are presented as the nurse was withholding evidence. No, she was not withholding evidence. She refused to gather evidence illegally. Big difference.

[Anti Federalist]

Do I get a flying car there? Can I make $500 an hour for playing video games? Do I get a blowjob every time I forget to switch the laundry?

You know, as long as we're dreaming about fictional places that never existed, might as well go for broke.

The little NH town I live in is pretty damn close to Mayberry.

Oh sure, our "Otis the Drunk" more likely will be some poor bastard strung out on government heroin, but honestly, it's pretty bucolic and tranquil and serene.

You should come visit sometime, door's open brother.

[specsaregood]

The few stories I have heard about this are presented as the nurse was withholding evidence. No, she was not withholding evidence. She refused to gather evidence illegally. Big difference.

I'll note again. She was not citing law or the constitution but rather her workplace policy on the subject. Maybe a nitpick, but still a difference.

[nobody's_hero]

Do I get a flying car there? Can I make $500 an hour for playing video games? Do I get a blowjob every time I forget to switch the laundry?.

I can't recall that episode of the Andy Griffith Show.

[phill4paul]

University Hospital nurse Alex Wubbels has agreed to a $500,000 payment to settle a dispute over her arrest by a Salt Lake City police officer after she barred him from drawing blood from an unconscious patient, her attorney said Tuesday.

Attorney Karra Porter said at a news conference that the agreement with Salt Lake City and the University of Utah covers all parties and takes the possibility of legal action off the table. “There will be no lawsuit,” she said.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/10/31/utah-nurse-arrested-for-blocking-cop-from-drawing-blood-from-patient-receives-500000-settlement/

[euphemia]

I'll note again. She was not citing law or the constitution but rather her workplace policy on the subject. Maybe a nitpick, but still a difference.

Still based on ethics. Good call on her part.

[jllundqu]

I wish someone would violate my rights on camera. I could use a half-mil. j/k

[Firestarter]

It’s sort of strange that when a nurse (in a blue uniform) gets unlawfully arrrested by the police she gets a $500,000 settlement…
Why did she yell so loud when being arrested?!?

But when somebody gets attacked by the cops (without witnesses) with police dogs, he gets nothing…
See one of the scars on my leg…
https://s19.postimg.org/th5y28v0j/Pic-_L-ankle-back.jpg

[RJB]

She gets a half million.

https://flightsafetynet.com/utah-nurse-gets-500000-in-dispute-over-blocking-cop-from-taking-blood/?fbclid=IwAR1LznSRrb-69DFK7Jwu2KHZmG3iL7AnaqIHVplcIem775OI5NeaW2JOUpk

[XNavyNuke]

Cop involved plans to sue as well.

https://nurse.org/articles/utah-police-officer-wrongful-nurse-arrest-lawsuit/


Despite his superiors supporting the decision to terminate him, the 27-year-veteran is suing for wrongful termination and $1.5 million in damages. According to Payne, he holds no ill will towards Wubbels and believes that both parties involved were just doing their jobs, but because they conflicted, he is the one that “bears most of the burden from this.”

Emphasis mine.

XNN

[PAF]

Cop involved plans to sue as well.

https://nurse.org/articles/utah-police-officer-wrongful-nurse-arrest-lawsuit/






The dismissed officer claims that unlike former Olympic skier Wubbels, his life has been ruined as a result of their encounter. According to Payne, he is working a job that barely pays minimum wage and struggling to keep his household together.

“My life is destroyed because of this and I don’t know how many years it’s going to take to have some sort of peace,” he told the news station.



Tough sh|t. Then go work 3 legitimate jobs like I used to do. Or starve for all I care, you worthless piece of trash.

[Origanalist]

Cop Fired for Attacking Innocent Nurse for Not Helping Him Break the Law, Quietly Rehired;


While Salt Lake City Police claimed they changed their procedures for how police officers interact with medical professionals, it should be noted that a criminal investigation into Payne’s actions was not issued until the video of the encounter went viral—over one month after it happened. What’s more, as this recent hiring illustrates, it had no bearing on his future employment in law enforcement.

According to the Salt Lake Tribune, the county’s human resources office said Payne was hired Aug. 9 to work part time at the jail in a position that does not include benefits. Sheriff’s officials later confirmed that Payne was hired as a “civilian corrections assistant” to work in the medical unit of the jail. According to the report, this is the second time in just weeks that the Weber County Sheriff’s Office has hired a peace officer who was fired from a previous job.

The other officer hired by the sheriff’s department was a former University of Utah detective who was fired for ignoring the concerns of Lauren McCluskey. As TFTP reported at the time, McCluskey was murdered by a deranged stalker after her multiple reports to police were ignored.

As this incident illustrates, police appear to not care at all about Wubbels assault and subsequent kidnapping that fateful night. That’s why, instead of waiting for the local police to take action, the University of Utah Hospital responded by changing its policies and banning police officers from patient-care areas and from direct contact with nurses.

https://thefreethoughtproject.com/cop-fired-for-attacking-innocent-nurse-for-not-helping-him-break-the-law-quietly-rehired/

[sparebulb]

I guess those letters of recommendation and references from The Texican worked.

[XNavyNuke]

Cop Fired for Attacking Innocent Nurse for Not Helping Him Break the Law, Quietly Rehired;

Here's my shocked face. :eek:

XNN

[kahless]

Mods please move this http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?514616-Utah-nurse-being-arrested-for-refusing-to-give-a-patient-s-blood-to-police to the tail end of this thread. thx