Doug Wead: Sheriff Joe Arpaio Should Receive Medal of Freedom

[Krugminator2]

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-friends-guest-sheriff-arpaio-would-be-murdered-in-jail-should-receive-medal-of-freedom-instead/


“This is a tragedy, what’s happened to him. He should be in the East Room of the White House getting the [Presidential] Medal of Freedom put around his neck. Not sent to prison to be assassinated and murdered, which is what would happen… The only reason Joe Arpaio got this charge, and it wasn’t tried by a jury; it was a leftist judge — is because he supported Donald Trump for president.”


Interesting to see Doug Wead defending an extreme anti-civil liberties, drug warrior in between hawking pyramid schemes.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Arpile should have a medal sewn to his face.

[Brian4Liberty]

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-friends-guest-sheriff-arpaio-would-be-murdered-in-jail-should-receive-medal-of-freedom-instead/

Interesting to see Doug Wead defending an extreme anti-civil liberties, drug warrior in between hawking pyramid schemes.

Except this was no statement or referendum on the war on drugs or civil liberties. This was a political prosecution.

[Krugminator2]

Except this was no statement or referendum on the war on drugs or civil liberties. This was a political prosecution.

That may be the case. But Wead says Arpaio deserves the Medal of Freedom. It would be hard for me to imagine Ron Paul ever heaping that kind of praise on Joe Arpaio.

[enhanced_deficit]

If freedom medals committee is anything like the Nobel Peace awards committee, he could qualify for 10 Freedom medals easily.

[liveandletlive]

looks like Joe has been pardoned..........lol great timing Donald.

[phill4paul]

looks like Joe has been pardoned..........lol great timing Donald.

Lol. Which will be front page news tomorrow, 'Racist Trump pardons racist Arpaio' or 'There's flooding down in Texas?'

[AuH20]

Except this was no statement or referendum on the war on drugs or civil liberties. This was a political prosecution.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuhF-Ok3djI

[William Tell]

And.... Justin wants to use this to alienate the base....

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/901252486937403394

[phill4paul]

And.... Justin wants to use this to alienate the base....

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/901252486937403394

Under his handle... ''Laws must be general, equal, and certain.' —F.A. Hayek'

Should the base be worried about a sheriff that racially profiles and detains individuals without charging them?

[AuH20]

And.... Justin wants to use this to alienate the base....

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/901252486937403394

His twitter account may as well be a parody account.

[nikcers]

And.... Justin wants to use this to alienate the base....

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/901252486937403394
Amash has earned my respect by sticking to his constitutional argument, I just don't think he understands that that's the same argument his opposition is making. He needs to frame his argument that the opposition doesn't understand the constitution. He needs to just say to his opposition that just because you believe something doesn't mean its true, I think lots of people believe Sheriff Joe Arpaio is following the rule of law, because they want to believe that's what the law is.

[William Tell]

Under his handle... ''Laws must be general, equal, and certain.' —F.A. Hayek'

Should the base be worried about a sheriff that racially profiles and detains individuals without charging them? Well they do care. I'm not a fan of Sheriff Joe, but this is not a simple case of the courts defending the Bill of Rights. I can understand why people hate the former sheriff but I can also see why people are fed up with liberal courts.

[William Tell]

Amash has earned my respect by sticking to his constitutional argument, I just don't think he understands that that's the same argument his opposition is making. He needs to frame his argument that the opposition doesn't understand the constitution. He needs to just say to his opposition that just because you believe something doesn't mean its true, I think lots of people believe Sheriff Joe Arpaio is following the rule of law, because they want to believe that's what the law is.Justin has my respect and support but that's despite his best attempts to lose it. And I don't mean here, I mean voting for RyanCare, implying that anyone who tries to defend historical monuments are basically evil, etc. Educate people, but when you side with a corrupt court system over a popular Sheriff you aren't educating anyone, you're just pissing people off and losing a popularity contest.

[Brian4Liberty]

And.... Justin wants to use this to alienate the base....

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/901252486937403394

I hope he doesn't think it will gain him any leftist support...

901260226086686720
https://www.twitter.com/warren__terra/status/901260226086686720

[nikcers]

Justin has my respect and support but that's despite his best attempts to lose it. And I don't mean here, I mean voting for RyanCare, implying that anyone who tries to defend historical monuments are basically evil, etc. Educate people, but when you side with a corrupt court system over a popular Sheriff you aren't educating anyone, you're just pissing people off and losing a popularity contest.

I am pretty sure that he is being targeted by the neocons, which might be why he voted that way. I understand he is not a good politician though, Education is more important then political action.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ56AIK2aek

[pcosmar]

Well they do care. I'm not a fan of Sheriff Joe, but this is not a simple case of the courts defending the Bill of Rights. I can understand why people hate the former sheriff but I can also see why people are fed up with liberal courts.

I can. I saw a lot of him.

The worst example of the Warlord mentality.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/baumgar/ArpaioHowitzer.jpg

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/erikkain/files/2011/08/seagalarpaio.jpg

He was not protecting anyone's rights. Just another Authoritarian.

But this is the state that has elected McCain repeatedly.

edit;;
I am sure he is guilty of much more than he was even charged with..

I did my time.

[liveandletlive]

Sheriff Joe would make a great President of the Philippines

just sayin

[r3volution 3.0]

https://i.imgflip.com/1ur27o.jpg

Once a shill, always a shill.

[phill4paul]

I can. I saw a lot of him.

The worst example of the Warlord mentality.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/baumgar/ArpaioHowitzer.jpg

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/erikkain/files/2011/08/seagalarpaio.jpg

He was not protecting anyone's rights. Just another Authoritarian.

But this is the state that has elected McCain repeatedly.

edit;;
I am sure he is guilty of much more than he was even charged with..

I did my time.

Yup. Fuck Arpaio and the 'law and order' crowd that thinks his shit doesn't stink.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to pcosmar again.

[Ender]

Yup. $#@! Arpaio and the 'law and order' crowd that thinks his $#@! doesn't stink.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to pcosmar again.

COVERED.

[jmdrake]

Somebody explain to me again this "Vote for Trump to stick it to the establishment" strategy again?

[CaptUSA]

Dammit, Wead... Just another opportunist. :(

I'm beginning to wonder exactly how small the faction of Ron Paul's support was of people who actually understood the principles of liberty. It's seeming more and more minuscule. I guess this is what the Trump Presidency is all about. Rubbing it in our noses.

[goldenequity]

901247913292165120

Specifically,
President Trump did not seek a review of the pardon from the Justice Department
and thereby bypassed the Office of the Pardon Attorney
which falls under the DOJ umbrella and normally handles such cases.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions
is believed to have approved and recommended President Trump sidestepping the pardons office
to maintain confidentiality, the source said.

The White House source said Trump wanted to avoid leaks of the pardon
and therefore chose to take a new route for Arpaio,
dealing instead with the White House Counsel’s office.
Other sources said President Trump does not trust many of the Obama holdovers in the Justice Department
which was another motivating factor behind the schematics of the Arpaio pardon.

It appears Sessions doesn’t trust these Obama appointees and hires either.

http://truepundit.com/exclusive-to-avoid-doj-leaks-trump-went-out-of-his-way-to-keep-sheriff-joe-arpaios-pardon-stealth/

[pcosmar]

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-friends-guest-sheriff-arpaio-would-be-murdered-in-jail-should-receive-medal-of-freedom-instead/




Interesting to see Doug Wead defending an extreme anti-civil liberties, drug warrior in between hawking pyramid schemes.

Wasn't Doug Weed giving Ron Paul lots of bad advice?

[r3volution 3.0]

Dammit, Wead... Just another opportunist. :(

I'm beginning to wonder exactly how small the faction of Ron Paul's support was of people who actually understood the principles of liberty. It's seeming more and more minuscule. I guess this is what the Trump Presidency is all about. Rubbing it in our noses.

Aye

[TheCount]

Somebody explain to me again this "Vote for Trump to stick it to the establishment" strategy again?
It only applies to a very particular definition of 'the establishment.'

They're statists who think that the state is being misused, and therefore their goal is redirection of state power, not reduction of it.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

It only applies to a very particular definition of 'the establishment.'

They're statists who think that the state is being misused, and therefore their goal is redirection of state power, not reduction of it.


That is exactly your belief and approach (e.g., link to my sig line).

[nobody's_hero]

I hope he doesn't think it will gain him any leftist support...

901260226086686720
https://www.twitter.com/warren__terra/status/901260226086686720

There's no pleasing them.

[H. E. Panqui]

...republican drug-war idiot, arpaio, has been a major player in ruining thousands of people's lives in the conduct of the truly unconstitutional/unjust 'war on drugs,' etc.. in a decent society, anyone labelled a 'felon' for any 'victimless crime' would be pardoned waaaaay before arpaio, who is truly guilty of THOUSANDS OF REAL CRIMES in the conduct of this goddamned fool drug war...

...i think it's absolutely true that no truly decent, intelligent person could work as a 'cop', etc.,...tasked, as they are from day one, to enforce the many many many stinking rotten stooooooooooooooopid 'laws' that are so ruinous to so many of their fellows....ugh, republicrats!.... :mad:

[nikcers]

That is exactly your belief and approach (e.g., link to my sig line).
his approach is to cut government power so they can't use it, not redirect it. He says that if the government has the power to do something they will.


Which programs would you cut out of the budget, TheCount?
Are we talking realistically or with a magic wand?

My primarily interests in this regard are foreign policy and the military. As I said above, I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will. In that area, spending on nuclear weapons would be my number one target - cut modernization and maintenance programs and reduce the arsenal to perhaps 300 weapons at the most. Likewise axe the vast majority of our military bases located overseas and associated spending. After that, the Marine Corps, quantity of aircraft carriers, and the like. I'd need a map and a compass to puzzle my way through all of the intelligence agencies and un$#@! them into something reasonable.

Other departments I'd have to go through one by one. Many of them I think should continue to exist but in a dramatically reduced capacity. As an example, a Department of Education which is restricted to facilitating coordination among the departments of education of the various states in addition to providing reports and such to the executive and legislative branches. Would such a thing still be named a department? I suppose. Regardless, it would be a hundredth of its current size. The nuke changes I mentioned above would sure cut a lot of the DoE. So on through the rest of them.

Realistically, entitlement programs and in particular social security would need a phased rather than immediate end end.
I don't think that means what you think it means. In fact that whole thread was about you defending NOT reducing spending. When the congress authorizes war by authorizing military spending. You know why they don't vote on a AUMF, because they consider voting on the military spending an authorization. If you continue to parrot talking points like spending doesn't matter, then I guess you think that never ending wars don't matter.

[jmdrake]

That is exactly your belief and approach (e.g., link to my sig line).

http://memecrunch.com/meme/A3LC9/hmmmm/image.jpg


his approach is to cut government power so they can't use it, not redirect it. He says that if the government has the power to do something they will.


I don't think that means what you think it means. In fact that whole thread was about you defending NOT reducing spending. When the congress authorizes war by authorizing military spending. You know why they don't vote on a AUMF, because they consider voting on the military spending an authorization. If you continue to parrot talking points like spending doesn't matter, then I guess you think that never ending wars don't matter.

So in other words NorthCarolinaLiberty's sig is a dishonest out of context quote of TheCount.

https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/3/3d/You_just_got_pwned.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080310214948

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I don't think that means what you think it means.

I always ask the TheCount what he means, but he never, ever clarifies. You might be able to get an answer from him because I certainly can't.

Here's what I think he meant (from that thread).


Read between the lines. TheCount thinks that government is going to somehow gut itself. He thinks that states and locales should spend their time writing reports "and such" to the federal government. The US Dept of Education telling your grade school what to do is what TheCount calls "coordination." He thinks your local high school principal doing federal paperwork is a way to "nuke" the Dept of Education. That "magic wand" he cited says that report writing is going to reduce an agency to 1% of what it is now. His "primarily [sic] interests" is military cutting, even though welfare spending far outpaces it and has grown the most dramatically.

This guy presents today's mundane liberal view. He adds some vague and eggheaded nonsense to sell it on this forum, and some here think he is in lockstep with Ron Paul. :rolleyes:







So in other words NorthCarolinaLiberty's sig is a dishonest out of context quote of TheCount.

In other words?! What words? Yours? Why don't you just use the exact words I used in that thread? You were too lazy to click on a simple link, so you dishonestly call it out of context?





https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/3/3d/You_just_got_pwned.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080310214948


You're the guy who supports ZippyJuan and takes cues from him. Now it's TheCount. Gee, I wonder which anti-Ron Paul progressive you'll support next.

Yes, we certainly know who is getting pawned on the forum.:rolleyes:

[nikcers]

I always ask the TheCount what he means, but he never, ever clarifies. You might be able to get an answer from him because I certainly can't.
well yeah you sort of cut off his comment where he says what he means. Don't believe what you think he means and ignore what he says? Just because Trump is president doesn't mean we are all moderates now, libertarianism is the opposite of moderatism.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

well yeah you sort of cut off his comment where he says what he means.

You can't click on the link?

[nikcers]

You can't click on the link?
Yeah do you want me to read it to you? He is not saying that he thinks government should do anything they have the power to do just that they will, because power corrupts, he implies that he wants a limited government. The thread in question was about so called lower taxes, which i haven't seen yet, without spending cuts, which if you aren't a moderate, if you are a libertarian then government spending and taxation are both theft, and favoring a government that steals more in one way over the other is just favoring evil.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Yeah do you want me to read it to you?... The thread in question was about so called lower taxes, which i haven't seen yet,

LOL.



he [TheCount] implies that he wants a limited government.

Right, because nothing says limited government like his desire to see "...a Department of Education which is restricted to facilitating coordination among the departments of education of the various states in addition to providing reports and such to the executive and legislative branches."

Yes, that sure sounds like "restricted" and "limited" government. :rolleyes:

[nikcers]

LOL.




Right, because nothing says limited government like his desire to see "...a Department of Education which is restricted to facilitating coordination among the departments of education of the various states in addition to providing reports and such to the executive and legislative branches."

Yes, that sure sounds like "restricted" and "limited" government. :rolleyes:
well if he posted that you should link it and put it in your signature, and make sure to leave the it would be a hundredth of its current size

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

well if he posted that you should link it and put it in your signature.


Why?

[nikcers]

Why?
it would be a hundredth of its current size

[jmdrake]

You're the guy who supports ZippyJuan and takes cues from him. Now it's TheCount. Gee, I wonder which anti-Ron Paul progressive you'll support next.

Yes, we certainly know who is getting pawned on the forum.:rolleyes:

I simply support truth and opposed lies. i don't get into identity politics like antifa does, the neo nazis do and, sadly, you are doing. Saying "I must attack everything coming from users X, Y and Z because they are progressive" is a type of identity politics. Why are you not standing up against people like RestorationOfLiberty when he pushes the racist idea that Rand is wrong to try to undo the racist effects of the unconstitutional war on drugs because in doing so Rand will be restoring rights to black people?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I simply support truth and opposed lies.

So do I. There are people here who put "supporting member" in their avatars. They are obviously not supporting members.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

it would be a hundredth of its current size

I don't even know what you are talking about. I posted the link. It's in my sig line.

[jmdrake]

LOL.




Right, because nothing says limited government like his desire to see "...a Department of Education which is restricted to facilitating coordination among the departments of education of the various states in addition to providing reports and such to the executive and legislative branches."

Yes, that sure sounds like "restricted" and "limited" government. :rolleyes:

So let me get this straight. You are against shrinking the Department of Education? :confused: You aren't really thinking this through. It's because of your right wing identity politics. TheCount is a "progressive" so, without thinking, you wrongly assume every proposal he puts forward is about growing government when the truth is that in the case you are quoting out of context, the opposite is true. Right now the Department of Education does much more than "facilitating coordination among the departments of education of the various states in addition to providing reports and such to the executive and legislative branches."

Now, why don't you explain to me exactly how Steve Bannon's propose to increase taxes on the rich to freaking 44% and put together a whopping 1 trillion dollar stimulus package where the federal government literally "throws it against the wall and sees what sticks" is limited government. :confused:

[jmdrake]

I don't even know what you are talking about. I posted the link. It's in my sig line.

Exactly! You are so hung up on right wing identity politics that it has limited your ability to dispassionately work through facts. The context of what TheCount wrote, where you are quoting him out of context, is a proposal to drastically reduce the current size and scope of the Department of Education to a "bully pulpit" role.

[jmdrake]

So do I. There are people here who put "supporting member" in their avatars. They are obviously not supporting members.

Are you a supporting member? Because with your right wing identity politics, I don't see you actually supporting the mission of this site.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

You aren't really thinking this through.

Says the guy who supports paid progressive trolls on the site. :rolleyes:







So let me get this straight.

Yes, please do. Let me know if you ever figure it out.

[jmdrake]

Says the guy who supports paid progressive trolls on the site. :rolleyes:








Yes, please do. Let me know if you ever figure it out.

More right wing identity politics. You represent everything Ron Paul is against. When in Congress he didn't reflexively oppose people like Dennis Kucinich or Cynthia McKinney just because they were progressive. When they were right he agreed with them. When the were wrong, he opposed the specific policy of where they were wrong and did so intelligently (unlike you) but he didn't carry that on into any other interactions with them. In fact that's why in 2008 Ron Paul invited Cynthia McKinney, Ralph Nader, Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr to his joint "3rd party presidential" press conference where he gave a joint endorsement based on principles instead of party. Bob Barr decided to be an ass because he's all about identity politics, kind of like you, and didn't show and demanded Ron Paul endorse a single candidate. So Ron Paul promptly endorsed Chuck Baldwin to spite Barr. Barr, for all of his talk about "liberty" later gave gun grabber Eric Holder for attorney general, showing how hypocritical he was being. Likewise I have yet to see you call out the progressiveness of Steve Bannon and some of the national socialists Trump supporters on this forum.

Edit: And I see you are cowardly running from the truth. Answer this.

You are against shrinking the Department of Education? You aren't really thinking this through. It's because of your right wing identity politics. TheCount is a "progressive" so, without thinking, you wrongly assume every proposal he puts forward is about growing government when the truth is that in the case you are quoting out of context, the opposite is true. Right now the Department of Education does much more than "facilitating coordination among the departments of education of the various states in addition to providing reports and such to the executive and legislative branches."

Now, why don't you explain to me exactly how Steve Bannon's propose to increase taxes on the rich to freaking 44% and put together a whopping 1 trillion dollar stimulus package where the federal government literally "throws it against the wall and sees what sticks" is limited government.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

[Blathering I skimmed. Stuff no one else will read.]


Why don't you answer my question? Why do you support paid trolls on this site?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

When in Congress he [Ron Paul] didn't reflexively oppose people like Dennis Kucinich or Cynthia McKinney just because they were progressive.


Were McKinney and Kucinich getting paid by someone to thwart Ron Paul?

[jmdrake]

Why don't you answer my question? Why do you support paid trolls on this site?

Why do you support paid racists? And when are you going to answer my question?

You are against shrinking the Department of Education?


Were McKinney and Kucinich getting paid by someone to thwart Ron Paul?

More right wing identity politics from you. Zippy and TheCount aren't thwarting Ron Paul. But Trump supporters are. Without Trump and his supporters attacking Rand Paul during the primary, Rand Paul might be president. And I have yet to see you call out the racist attacks against Rand Paul for being against the drug war by your fellow trumpsters. Why is that?

[TheCount]

his approach is to cut government power so they can't use it, not redirect it. He says that if the government has the power to do something they will.
I was actually really enjoying him not realizing that it says the exact opposite of what he thought and having it in his signature...

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Zippy and TheCount aren't thwarting Ron Paul.

LOL. And the sun doesn't come up in the east.






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https://media.tenor.com/images/030eeb50a0cb52ed0cd8efecd32d1601/tenor.gif]





And there he is. Live, from Soros headquarters.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Why do you support paid racists?


Who are you talking about? :confused:

[jmdrake]

LOL. And the sun doesn't come up in the east.

Actually the sun doesn't "come up" at all. It's the earth that moves around the sun. Or are you a flat earther now?

But back to the truth, something you can't handle. It was Trump and his supporters that ended Rand Paul's campaign and by extension thwarted Ron Paul. I have yet to see you call them out for it.

[jmdrake]

Who are you talking about? :confused:

I have yet to see you take on the racists here. I have also yet to see you explain how shrinking the department of education = expanding the federal government.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I have yet to see you take on the racists here.


Who? You said I "support paid racists." Who?

[jmdrake]

Who? You said I "support paid racists." Who?

Already covered that in PM.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Already covered that in PM.

Okay thanks; I saw that. I saw the name, but don't really know that person beyond seeing the name around. I have never replied to his posts or mentioned his name, so I don't see how I can support such a person without such interaction.

Yes, I think it is possible that paid Trump posters are here. I've seen a couple of people who might fit that mold, but it's hard for me to say. I don't say unless I am 100% sure about someone. You know that paid progressive trolls are here. All the regular posters have known it for years. Fine if you don't want to discuss it, but that doesn't change the facts.

Who would pay any Trump trolls here? The RNC? Someone with money, I suppose. It wouldn't surprise me that Soros would spend this kind of money, but would someone bother spending money for Trump trolling? I suppose that is possible, but I'd like to see more substance. I don't mind calling people out, but I have to be 100% sure. Some people here casually and carelessly throw around that word trolling. I never do that. Again, I have to be 100% sure.

[r3volution 3.0]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uWTJo9n7KI

[anaconda]

Except this was no statement or referendum on the war on drugs or civil liberties. This was a political prosecution.

Will Trump order IRS audits for the judge involved?

[Brian4Liberty]

Will Trump order IRS audits for the judge involved?

Obama would.

[AuH20]

Racially profiling Latinos? Boo hoo. So sad. They have it so tough these days in Modern America. :confused::D More subversive propaganda from the criminals in D.C. who would throw my ass in prison instantaneously if they ever saw my toys. I'm pretty sure my so-called constitutional rights would be trampled in a millisecond and I'm a freaking citizen of the country!

[Swordsmyth]

Facts don't matter to either side of the Arpaio pardon debate

The conviction of former Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio for criminal contempt is being serially misrepresented. The misrepresentations are material to the question of whether President Donald Trump should have pardoned Arpaio (http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2017/08/25/former-maricopa-sheriff-joe-arpaio-my-political-career-isnt-over/604062001/).
Arpaio’s criminal conviction is routinely, in fact almost invariably, described in one of two ways. Either that he continued to engage in racial profiling despite a court order to stop. Or that he continued with immigration sweeps contrary to a court order to abandon them.
Both descriptions are inaccurate and misleading.
He was ordered not to enforce federal law

In the underlying civil case, federal Judge G. Murray Snow did find that Arpaio had unconstitutionally used race in making traffic stops in an effort to find illegal immigrants. In fact, it was the central finding in the civil case.
Snow’s remedial orders, however, went far beyond simply forbidding the use of race in initial traffic stops (http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2017/08/11/joe-arpaio-immigration-clarify-what-happened/556914001/). He ordered Arpaio to get out of the immigration enforcement business altogether. Even with a legal stop, Arpaio was to either charge people with a state crime or let them go. No detaining them or turning them over to federal officials for immigration violations.
It was this edict to get out of the immigration business altogether that federal Judge Susan Bolton found Arpaio in criminal contempt for violating.

However, Bolton’s decision (http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/07/31/maricopa-county-sheriff-joe-arpaio-found-guilty-criminal-contempt-court/486278001/) does not include a finding that the sheriff’s office continued to illegally use race in initial stops, or any other legal problem with the initial stops. It was what the sheriff’s office did after the stop – turn people over to the feds for immigration violations without charging them with state crimes – that Bolton found in criminal contempt of Snow’s civil orders.


Federal law explicitly authorizes local law enforcement to communicate with federal officials about the immigration status of those they encounter. State law requires local law enforcement to follow up on reasonable suspicion of illegal presence when practical to do so.
So, arguably, Snow’s order prohibited Arpaio from doing what federal law allows and state law mandates. When Trump said in Phoenix that Arpaio was convicted for doing his job, there’s a basis for that point of view.
But Arpaio doesn't deserve a pardon

Now, I don’t support a pardon for Arpaio. He was a lousy cop, a crummy administrator and a menace to the rule of law.
Singling out people based on their race for disproportionate law enforcement scrutiny, as Arpaio unquestionably did with his immigration sweeps, violates the fundamental founding principles of our country.
Before that, Arpaio trampled all over procedural rights and protocols in pursuit of his nutty conspiracy theory, hatched with former County Attorney Andrew Thomas, involving the Board of Supervisors, its staff, and some judges.
And even if Snow’s order was an overreach (http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2017/07/10/joe-arpaio-still-deserves-jury-trial/460585001/), Arpaio’s duty was to obey it while appealing it. Arpaio’s career ending with a criminal conviction is fitting.
None of these distinctions and nuances likely entered into Trump’s decision to pardon Arpaio (http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/08/25/donald-trump-pardons-sheriff-joe-arpaio/599835001/). Arpaio is an important ally and symbol on one of Trump’s signature issues, illegal immigration. The facts don’t matter to him.
By serially misrepresenting what Arpaio was found in criminal contempt for doing, opponents of a pardon have demonstrated that facts don’t matter to them either.

More at: http://www.azcentral.com/story/opini...ter/603064001/ (http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2017/08/25/joe-arpaio-pardon-facts-dont-matter/603064001/)

[anaconda]

Obama would.

Bill Clinton definitely would have.

[LibertyEagle]

Aye

The mere fact that you are still on this website preaching globalism in the name of Ron Paul is not only rubbing people's noses in it, but is an affront to everything Ron Paul ever stood for.

/end rant

[LibertyEagle]

Actually the sun doesn't "come up" at all. It's the earth that moves around the sun. Or are you a flat earther now?

But back to the truth, something you can't handle. It was Trump and his supporters that ended Rand Paul's campaign and by extension thwarted Ron Paul. I have yet to see you call them out for it.

Oh bullshit, Drake. Rand ended himself. If he had wanted to ruin his campaign, he couldn't have done it better.

[Ender]

The mere fact that you are still on this website preaching globalism in the name of Ron Paul is not only rubbing people's noses in it, but is an affront to everything Ron Paul ever stood for.

/end rant

Back to your one-pony argument- and it was YOU who was an ardent Trump supporter- so don't even go off on calling others "an affront to everything Ron Paul ever stood for".

[donnay]

Whether any of you like or dislike Arpaio, he was tried in a kangaroo court and that is why he should be pardoned and why liberty-loving people ought to stand up for this as well.

The Bundy's are going through the same thing. In the last case, at least the Bundy's had a jury trial, Arpaio asked for one as was refused.

[Ender]

Whether any of you like or dislike Arpaio, he was tried in a kangaroo court and that is why he should be pardoned and why liberty-loving people ought to stand up for this as well.

The Bundy's are going through the same thing. In the last cast, at least the Bundy's had a jury trial, Arpaio asked for one as was refused.

From Swordsmyth's article above:


Now, I don’t support a pardon for Arpaio. He was a lousy cop, a crummy administrator and a menace to the rule of law.
Singling out people based on their race for disproportionate law enforcement scrutiny, as Arpaio unquestionably did with his immigration sweeps, violates the fundamental founding principles of our country.
Before that, Arpaio trampled all over procedural rights and protocols in pursuit of his nutty conspiracy theory, hatched with former County Attorney Andrew Thomas, involving the Board of Supervisors, its staff, and some judges.
And even if Snow’s order was an overreach, Arpaio’s duty was to obey it while appealing it. Arpaio’s career ending with a criminal conviction is fitting.

[shakey1]

Why this guy gets a break while Snowden has to seek asylum in another country.:confused:

[donnay]

Why this guy gets a break while Snowden has to seek asylum in another country.:confused:

Because I believe Trump is isolated from the truth. He has been fed a bunch of lies and believes Snowden is a traitor.

[kcchiefs6465]

Because I believe Trump is isolated from the truth. He has been fed a bunch of lies and believes Snowden is a traitor.
It's a shame that there isn't like an endless trove of truth available in everyone's pocket.

If there was, of course, then they'd not have any excuses for their ignorance.

[Ender]

It's a shame that there isn't like an endless trove of truth available in everyone's pocket.

If there was, of course, then they'd not have any excuses for their ignorance.

;)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly1al4K3u2M

[pcosmar]

/end rant

Doubts,,

[pcosmar]

Because I believe Trump is isolated from the truth.

Oh please,,

This clown was running with the Clintons before he started trolling Republicans.
The only thing you can expect is a show.

The agenda continues. And the Police State will grow.

[LibertyEagle]

Back to your one-pony argument- and it was YOU who was an ardent Trump supporter- so don't even go off on calling others "an affront to everything Ron Paul ever stood for".

Yes, I voted for him and would do it again. Next?

[Ender]

Yes, I voted for him and would do it again. Next?

Of course you would.

To quote pcosmar:


Oh please,

This clown was running with the Clintons before he started trolling Republicans.
The only thing you can expect is a show.

The agenda continues. And the Police State will grow.

How Libertarian of you.

[juleswin]

Of course you would.

To quote pcosmar:



How Libertarian of you.

Some people are tired of losing and would sooner drop their principles to join a winning team. This is the rational most of the reluctant Trump supporters on this site are working with. That or they hate Hillary so much that they rather give their vote to her best m8 Trump.

It might be hard for people like me or you to fully understand but that is their perspective

[donnay]

Some people are tired of losing and would sooner drop their principles to join a winning team. This is the rational most of the reluctant Trump supporters on this site are working with. That or they hate Hillary so much that they rather give their vote to her best m8 Trump.

It might be hard for people like me or you to fully understand but that is their perspective

I am all for winning liberty back. Hey, it took a long time to take it away and I am sure, getting it back, isn't going to happen overnight.

Here are some things that I like seeing:

1. President Trump decreased the US Debt in his first 100 days by $100 Billion
2. Trump is enforcing regulatory reform.
3. Trump is reducing regulations on manufacturers.
4. Trump has exit the US from the TPP.
5. Trump has taken the US out of the phony climate change agenda.
6. Trump has placed a hiring freeze on federal employees.
7. Trump has cut the funding for sanctuary cities.
8. Trump has approved pipelines to advance here in the US.

I know some here like to blame Trump for EVERYTHING-- like the media and democrats do, but I will give credit where credit is due.

Some of the things I do not like is sending more troops to Afghanistan. Sessions going after states that have already agreed to cannabis. Appointing McMasters as National Security Advisor and Rex Tillerson as Secretary of State. However, no one is perfect, I am a realist, not a purist.

[Origanalist]

Why this guy gets a break while Snowden has to seek asylum in another country.:confused:

Enemy of the state vs the state. If you love authoritarian statism then Sheriff Joe is your guy.

[juleswin]

I am all for winning liberty back. Hey, it took a long time to take it away and I am sure, getting it back, isn't going to happen overnight.

Here are some things that I like seeing:

1. President Trump decreased the US Debt in his first 100 days by $100 Billion
2. Trump is enforcing regulatory reform.
3. Trump is reducing regulations on manufacturers.
4. Trump has exit the US from the TPP.
5. Trump has taken the US out of the phony climate change agenda.
6. Trump has placed a hiring freeze on federal employees.
7. Trump has cut the funding for sanctuary cities.
8. Trump has approved pipelines to advance here in the US.

I know some here like to blame Trump for EVERYTHING-- like the media and democrats do, but I will give credit where credit is due.

Some of the things I do not like is sending more troops to Afghanistan. Sessions going after states that have already agreed to cannabis. Appointing McMasters as National Security Advisor and Rex Tillerson as Secretary of State. However, no one is perfect, I am a realist, not a purist.

I remembered the early days of Obama and liberals/progressives floated lists like the one in your post about Obama. The problem with those kind of lists is that they are usually full lies or half truth. Take the number one item on your list. Trump reduces the debt by $100 billion in the first 100 days. is that even true when he hasn't passed a budget and the country is operating on Obama's budget. Also, what if he cut the debt by $100 billion in 100 days, does it follow that the debt would be cut by $365 billion in 365 days? Ofc not, the debt would probably grow by at least $1 trillion plus after the end of the year.

I want to see results not lists, so when some substantial period of time has passed, I would like to see that list with things that has actually been accomplished but the stuff you posted.

[nikcers]

I am all for winning liberty back. Hey, it took a long time to take it away and I am sure, getting it back, isn't going to happen overnight.

Here are some things that I like seeing:

1. President Trump decreased the US Debt in his first 100 days by $100 Billion (signed a non conservative budgjet in first 100 days that increased the debt)
2. Trump is enforcing regulatory reform. 3. Trump is reducing regulations on manufacturers. (Trump is just picking winners and losers and has not lowered taxes/regulations across the board)
4. Trump has exit the US from the TPP. (we were never in TPP)
5. Trump has taken the US out of the phony climate change agenda. (Trump has only switched from subsidizing clean energy to subsidizing fossil fuels, More crony capitalism just different people receiving the government money)
6. Trump has placed a hiring freeze on federal employees. (This hasn't stopped Trump from bringing in a bunch of neocons to his cabinet and giving them federal jobs)
7. Trump has cut the funding for sanctuary cities. (Trump should stop federal funding in all cities)
8. Trump has approved pipelines to advance here in the US. (Trump has only switched from subsidizing clean energy to subsidizing fossil fuels.

Sorry Trump is even worse on energy then Obama was, he has only escalated Russian containment policies and tried to increase ACA subsidies that were started by the administrations before him. He is leading us on a path to war with Russia, the only difference is they pick different winners through crony capitalistic policies and socialized medicine.

[donnay]

I remembered the early days of Obama and liberals/progressives floated lists like the one in your post about Obama. The problem with those kind of lists is that they are usually full lies or half truth. Take the number one item on your list. Trump reduces the debt by $100 billion in the first 100 days. is that even true when he hasn't passed a budget and the country is operating on Obama's budget. Also, what if he cut the debt by $100 billion in 100 days, does it follow that the debt would be cut by $365 billion in 365 days? Ofc not, the debt would probably grow by at least $1 trillion plus after the end of the year.

I want to see results not lists, so when some substantial period of time has passed, I would like to see that list with things that has actually been accomplished but the stuff you posted.

Well you have to pay attention. Oh, Trump has also done like Ron Paul has, he is not taking a salary. But hey, Trump is friends with the Clinton's, you know the Clinton's that stole things from the white house when they left.

[nikcers]

Well you have to pay attention. Oh, Trump has also done like Ron Paul has, he is not taking a salary. But hey, Trump is friends with the Clinton's, you know the Clinton's that stole things from the white house when they left.

Trump will be the most expensive president in our living history, you are reading the fake news again.

[donnay]

Trump will be the most expensive president in our living history, you are reading the fake news again.

Yeah, that's it! Thanks.

[nikcers]

Yeah, that's it! Thanks.
Yep, between his constant lavish vacations and renovations to the Whitehouse and constant flights to new york to micro manage his business. He has billed stuff to his own business that is more then the entire pay the president would make. You are cheering on stuff that any "moderate" would of passed, especially a right wing moderate. This is a libertarian forum, Trump is making the swamp great again.

[nikcers]

Trump has also done like Ron Paul has,
Trump is a moderate, Ron Paul is a libertarian, they are opposites you window licker.

[donnay]

Trump is a moderate, Ron Paul is a libertarian, they are opposites you window licker.

LOL! People are blinded by the flash the trigger causes.

[juleswin]

Yep, between his constant lavish vacations and renovations to the Whitehouse and constant flights to new york to micro manage his business. He has billed stuff to his own business that is more then the entire pay the president would make. You are cheering on stuff that any "moderate" would of passed, especially a right wing moderate. This is a libertarian forum, Trump is making the swamp great again.

Yup, he is being penny wise and pound foolish. Yea, he doesn't collect any pay but then uses the govt credit cared like its going out of style. if he wants to impress me, let him pay for his own security, travel and living expenses. After all, he is a billionaire and during the campaign, he wouldn't shut up about how rich he is.

[nikcers]

LOL! People are blinded by the flash the trigger causes.
If you can insult Ron Paul by comparing him to an orange clown and no one else will defend Ron Paul then I will.

[nikcers]

Yup, he is being penny wise and pound foolish. Yea, he doesn't collect any pay but then uses the govt credit cared like its going out of style. if he wants to impress me, let him pay for his own security, travel and living expenses. After all, he is a billionaire and during the campaign, he wouldn't shut up about how rich he is.

I don't expect him to pay for presidential detail, that's ridiculous. I don't expect him not to take vacations because presidents take vacations, its a stressful job, I can get that. I get pissed off when people compare Trump to Ron Paul, because Ron Paul wouldn't be wasting tax payer money like that, money that we don't have. Ron Paul wouldn't know how to spend all of that money for vacations and travel or protection or white house renovations and would probably return a bunch to the treasury that gets budgeted.

[donnay]

If you can insult Ron Paul by comparing him to an orange clown and no one else will defend Ron Paul then I will.

Nikers calm down, I made no comparison other than Dr. Paul took no salary and neither is Trump, but like I said, people are blinded by the flash the trigger causes. You only read what you wanted to read, and hear what you want to hear.

[nikcers]

Nikers calm down, I made no comparison other than Dr. Paul took no salary and neither is Trump, but like I said, people are blinded by the flash the trigger causes. You only read what you wanted to read, and hear what you want to hear.
Now you are walking back your idiotic statement by only explaining part of it. You know that in the syntax of your argument you were trying to convey that Ron Paul resembled a piece of shit with orange clumpy hair on top. Either that or you speak bad English and you should rewrite what you wrote.

[donnay]

Well you have to pay attention. Oh, Trump has also done like Ron Paul has, he is not taking a salary. But hey, Trump is friends with the Clinton's, you know the Clinton's that stole things from the white house when they left.


Now you are walking back your idiotic statement by only explaining part of it. You know that in the syntax of your argument you were trying to convey that Ron Paul resembled a piece of $#@! with orange clumpy hair on top. Either that or you speak bad English and you should rewrite what you wrote.

Yeah I am really walking back my idiotic statement. :rolleyes: You're too triggered and filled with bitterness and hatred to try and discuss anything with.

Have a nice day.

[Jamesiv1]

I don't expect him to pay for presidential detail, that's ridiculous. I don't expect him not to take vacations because presidents take vacations, its a stressful job, I can get that. I get pissed off when people compare Trump to Ron Paul, because Ron Paul wouldn't be wasting tax payer money like that, money that we don't have. Ron Paul wouldn't know how to spend all of that money for vacations and travel or protection or white house renovations and would probably return a bunch to the treasury that gets budgeted.
You sir, are triggering my Libertah.