Trump Has The Gall To Blame Both Sides For Violence And Hate

[anaconda]

My head is spinning with the ubiquitous condemnation of Trump in the mainstream media for simply pointing out that both sides were complicit in the bad behavior in Charlottesville, VA. If anything the folks with the permit appear to be perhaps less complicit.

That politicians and the media will not accept this obvious comparison is Orwellian, intellectually dishonest, and downright stupid. Is anyone else struck with surreal indignation over this? That Trump would point this out is perfectly germane.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/08/16/everyone-working-for-trump-knows-his-charlottesville-response-is-an-abomination/?utm_term=.8247b416d2a6

[bunklocoempire]

I don't dig it either, but don't get too bothered by this "new" flavor of fear and outrage coming from the msm.
Fear and outrage, it's just the bag of tricks government uses for foreign intervention, and more intervention at home.

The narrative for so long has been faulting some for not mentioning "radical Islam" abroad. ("conservative" propaganda)
The relatively new narrative is faulting some for not mentioning "hate" in the "homeland". ("liberal" propaganda)

The common denominator is ignoring any motives, and what actually helps the unmentioned motives along -unchecked government aggression.

Trump and msm won't be mentioning any of individual rights, so the division, fear and outrage propaganda is going to continue.
Only enough truth is revealed to bring in the next liberty stomping government "solution".

[PierzStyx]

I don't know that there is a conspiracy here. I tend not to see conspiracy when plain stupid explains it so well.

The Antifa are insane Socialist tyrants as terrible as the idiots waving Nazi flags and calling for a race war. The difference is that the Alt. Right has developed more of a central leadership while the Antifa is more like a bunch of related individual cells working towards the same goal. Because it is decentralized it is harder to peg anyone as being THE problem, which results in a more complicated formula. And if there is anything the MSM doesn't do well it is "complicated." Simple stories sell better.

The real victim I think are all those who are NOT Antifa and who are out there protesting Alt. Right Nazisms and violent nationalism who get lumped into the Antifa groups because, again, trying to actually explain that there are dozens of groups, and tens of thousands of people who are there protesting the Alt. Right but who aren't Antifa and who represent ideologies from across the political spectrum, is probably too complicated for the simplistic narratives that the MSM sells. Anyone who has the experience that whenever they protest Antifa and someone immediately calls him or her a Nazi knows exactly what I'm talking about.

Now, why simplistic stupid narratives sell so much better, either because the masses are stupid or because they're being dumbed down, is probably a chicken and egg scenario.

[Brian4Liberty]

Some people call this Trump Derangement Syndrome, but the left has never been constrained by logic, law, truth, consistency or fairness.

It's just become more obvious with Trump.

[Ender]

Wasn't it the cops that forced the 2 groups together and surrounded them?

Looks like a set up to me.

[Madison320]

My head is spinning with the ubiquitous condemnation of Trump in the mainstream media for simply pointing out that both sides were complicit in the bad behavior in Charlottesville, VA. If anything the folks with the permit appear to be perhaps less complicit.

That politicians and the media will not accept this obvious comparison is Orwellian, intellectually dishonest, and downright stupid. Is anyone else struck with surreal indignation over this? That Trump would point this out is perfectly germane.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/08/16/everyone-working-for-trump-knows-his-charlottesville-response-is-an-abomination/?utm_term=.8247b416d2a6

Trump had it right in his initial reaction where he blamed both sides. He really screwed up in his second speech where he called the driver a murderer. Presidents aren't suppose to be declaring guilt before the trial, especially when there's a good chance the guy is innocent, at least of murder.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

We are told that Gary Cohn, a top economic adviser to the White House, was “disgusted” and “upset.” We learn that Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump have been urging moderation. We are informed that Trump’s top aides were “stunned” by Trump’s comments, and that new chief of staff John F. Kelly was “very frustrated” by them.

The quote "very frustrated" they cited was not from Kelly.

The word "stunned" was nowhere to be found in the article they cited.

Their other two sources are not only hearsay, but unidentified hearsay.



It's no wonder journalists study communications and not math.

[euphemia]

The truth is beginning to come out from this. Late, of course, but it is coming out. Even people with opinions one way or another are beginning to see this was provoked by the media and the violation of procedure by police via the mayor.

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

" There is only one acceptable narrative here. . . ours ! "

Same philosophy that been guiding US foreign policy for the past sum odd years.

Fuck You MSM

[oyarde]

Well , I really do not believe ignorant white racists in america are really that well organized anymore . They do not have a party on the ballots , but the commie & socialist leftists do .

[Champ]

Yes, it is Orwellian, but it's no surprise considering the source. They've been up to these shenanigans for decades in diluted form, but they have ramped up their efforts due to desperation and we are prepared now and have become adept at spotting the bs the second it strikes. I know "normies" that can spot this stuff now just as easily and they have lived a life of ignorance and indifference towards anything political. They have become a caricature of themselves.

[KingNothing]

Yes, it is Orwellian, but it's no surprise considering the source. They've been up to these shenanigans for decades in diluted form, but they have ramped up their efforts due to desperation and we are prepared now and have become adept at spotting the bs the second it strikes. I know "normies" that can spot this stuff now just as easily and they have lived a life of ignorance and indifference towards anything political. They have become a caricature of themselves.

The media has taken things to another level. This is like watching them pull an never ending string of Fake News stories about Paul in '08 and '12, but even more ridiculous because they're so blatantly doing it to someone that literally half of the American voting public selected. The arrogance, the stupidity, that it takes to convince themselves that they can tell such ridiculous stories, day after day, and not permanently damage their reputation is astonishing.

[anaconda]

The media has taken things to another level. This is like watching them pull an never ending string of Fake News stories about Paul in '08 and '12, but even more ridiculous because they're so blatantly doing it to someone that literally half of the American voting public selected. The arrogance, the stupidity, that it takes to convince themselves that they can tell such ridiculous stories, day after day, and not permanently damage their reputation is astonishing.

Makes me think that even more people will vote for Trump in 2020, if for no other reason than to protest the increasingly fake news media. My vote for Trump was only to protest the stunning level of fake news from the MSM in the last election cycle. And maybe also because Darrell Castle was not on the ballot in my state.

[Jamesiv1]

Look over here, so you won't look over there.

[Madison320]

Wasn't it the cops that forced the 2 groups together and surrounded them?

Looks like a set up to me.

I'm skeptical about this conspiracy theory. How were the police or the mayor or whoever going to benefit from having both sides attack each other?

The only conspiracy I see is the MSM suppressing video evidence in the car ramming.

[Madison320]

Makes me think that even more people will vote for Trump in 2020, if for no other reason than to protest the increasingly fake news media. My vote for Trump was only to protest the stunning level of fake news from the MSM in the last election cycle. And maybe also because Darrell Castle was not on the ballot in my state.

I agree, I almost wanted to vote for Trump in protest of the over the top coverage by the media.

Remember Google's "Executive Order" section in it's main menu. Of course that was after he got elected but that one was too funny.

[shakey1]

" There is only one acceptable narrative here. . . ours ! "

Same philosophy that been guiding US foreign policy for the past sum odd years.

$#@! You MSM

^^^THIS^^^

[shakey1]

$#@! You MSM

^^^THIS^^^

[KingNothing]

Makes me think that even more people will vote for Trump in 2020, if for no other reason than to protest the increasingly fake news media. My vote for Trump was only to protest the stunning level of fake news from the MSM in the last election cycle. And maybe also because Darrell Castle was not on the ballot in my state.

I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, but I will in 2020 assuming things continue along the path that they're currently on.

The media has been so bad, the left has been so insufferable, that Trump looks reasonable and smart by comparison.

[Swordsmyth]

I'm skeptical about this conspiracy theory. How were the police or the mayor or whoever going to benefit from having both sides attack each other?

The only conspiracy I see is the MSM suppressing video evidence in the car ramming.

They wanted to provoke violence so they could portray the "right" as violent dangerous NAZIs.

[PierzStyx]

They wanted to provoke violence so they could portray the "right" as violent dangerous NAZIs.

What do you been portray? They're literally marching around with the Nazi flags:


https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/598f3d371500007d208b6472.jpeg?ops=scalefit_970_nou pscale


And hold protests screaming about the "evil Jews," using Nazi slogans, "Blood and Soil!" and have leaders calling for greater racist violence and a race war:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIrcB1sAN8I

No one is "portraying" anyone as violent Nazis.

When it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it is a duck.

[helmuth_hubener]

The real victim I think are all those who are NOT Antifa and who are out there protesting Alt. Right

Waaaaah!



Great, Pierz. You have anointed yourself the Biggest Victim. What a surprise. You win the Biggest Victim Award. That means you win the day... for now. But this current-day madness where the biggest victim wins will not likely persist forever.

Come, K-Shift, come!

[Swordsmyth]

What do you been portray? They're literally marching around with the Nazi flags:


https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/598f3d371500007d208b6472.jpeg?ops=scalefit_970_nou pscale


And hold protests screaming about the "evil Jews," using Nazi slogans, "Blood and Soil!" and have leaders calling for greater racist violence and a race war:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIrcB1sAN8I

No one is "portraying" anyone as violent Nazis.

When it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it is a duck.

Not everyone there was like that and there would have been no violence if the left had not attacked after the police forced the two sides together, by provoking violence they made it easy to think of all the people who wanted to keep the statue as NAZIs and since NAZIs are a classic boogeyman it is easy to try to make people believe they were the ones responsible for the violence.

[Madison320]

They wanted to provoke violence so they could portray the "right" as violent dangerous NAZIs.

Right, but how did they know it would be Nazi on Antifa violence? What if some Antifa guy shot a Nazi as he was walking in protest? In that case the "left" would be damaged. I think we give them too much credit. I don't think they're that smart. It's not like government is known as being highly efficient.

[Swordsmyth]

Right, but how did they know it would be Nazi on Antifa violence? What if some Antifa guy shot a Nazi as he was walking in protest? In that case the "left" would be damaged. I think we give them too much credit. I don't think they're that smart. It's not like government is known as being highly efficient.
Whatever happened the media would blame the right, AntiFa started the violence and they blame the right, if some AntiFa guy shot a NAZI they would claim he was justified and give him a medal.

[Madison320]

Whatever happened the media would blame the right, AntiFa started the violence and they blame the right, if some AntiFa guy shot a NAZI they would claim he was justified and give him a medal.

I guess that's possible, but it still seems like a reach to me.

To me the more interesting "conspiracy" is the car case. It's not complicated to follow, just look at a couple videos and then listen to the news coverage (or lack of it).

[parocks]

What do you been portray? They're literally marching around with the Nazi flags:


https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/598f3d371500007d208b6472.jpeg?ops=scalefit_970_nou pscale


And hold protests screaming about the "evil Jews," using Nazi slogans, "Blood and Soil!" and have leaders calling for greater racist violence and a race war:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIrcB1sAN8I

No one is "portraying" anyone as violent Nazis.

When it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it is a duck.

I see one nazi flag there, and we have no idea how it got there. It looks new to me, it's got creases. Anybody can go somewhere with any sort of flag they want, whether they like nazis or dislike nazis and want to discredit a march.

[bunklocoempire]

I found this account of Charlottesville interesting :

Tom Woods show Ep. 978 Charlottesville Once More: Left-Anarchist Keith Preston Discusses (http://tomwoods.com/ep-978-charlottesville-once-more-left-anarchist-keith-preston-discusses/)

[anaconda]

They wanted to provoke violence so they could portray the "right" as violent dangerous NAZIs.

But it's 2017. Don't these bureaucrats realize that people have video recorders in their cell phones? Now they have to live with extensive video of ANTIFA mayhem.

[Swordsmyth]

But it's 2017. Don't these bureaucrats realize that people have video recorders in their cell phones? Now they have to live with extensive video of ANTIFA mayhem.
Bureaucrats tend to be old and stupid, the know they own the MSM and they think they are invincible.

[anaconda]

Bureaucrats tend to be old and stupid, the know they own the MSM and they think they are invincible.

A lot are not old. And the old ones have young advisers.

[Swordsmyth]

A lot are not old. And the old ones have young advisers.
That is why I mentioned stupid and their delusions of invincibility.

[Zippyjuan]

I see one nazi flag there, and we have no idea how it got there. It looks new to me, it's got creases. Anybody can go somewhere with any sort of flag they want, whether they like nazis or dislike nazis and want to discredit a march.

To get on the ride, you must be this tall: (photo from their candellight vigil the night before):

https://limacharlienews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Charlottesville-neo-nazis.jpg

[Brian4Liberty]

To get on the ride, you must be this tall: (photo from their candellight vigil the night before):

https://limacharlienews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Charlottesville-neo-nazis.jpg

Congratulations, you got two guys. Was that shot by Vice?

[parocks]

To get on the ride, you must be this tall: (photo from their candellight vigil the night before):

https://limacharlienews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Charlottesville-neo-nazis.jpg


And that one has 2 (Two).

Now you'd think that, since what they really want pictures of are people giving nazi salutes, and they were there taking pictures, you would have to assume that if there was a picture of more than 2 nazi salutes, that would be the picture they would use.

The nazi flag in the pic is clearly a new flag, there are creases characteristic of something you've taken out of a bag for the first time. Who might be walking around with a newly purchased nazi flag? A nazi? No. Someone who is pretending to be a nazi? Yes.

3 nazi things, one clearly fake. 2 isolated salutes. It costs nothing to fake that.

[anaconda]

Here's what Charlottesville really looked like (CNN stock photo):

https://orig12.deviantart.net/8655/f/2012/216/e/9/nuremberg_rally_3_by_themistrunsred-d59tgv3.jpg

[KingNothing]

There are over 300,000,000 people in America. Three hundred million! Given the sheer number of people, I would be shocked if there weren't actually some nazis and white supremacists within our borders.

Have you ever met one, though? I haven't. How big of a problem are they, really? Would you know they even existed if you didn't see them in the news?

These losers are all morons, and they're all deranged. No one takes them seriously, which is why they never seem to assemble in numbers greater than a few dozen. We should be mocking them and laughing at them, not portraying them to be a powerful and well-organized threat to current mainstream culture.

[dannno]

What do you been portray? They're literally marching around with the Nazi flags:


https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/598f3d371500007d208b6472.jpeg?ops=scalefit_970_nou pscale


And hold protests screaming about the "evil Jews," using Nazi slogans, "Blood and Soil!" and have leaders calling for greater racist violence and a race war:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIrcB1sAN8I

No one is "portraying" anyone as violent Nazis.

When it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it is a duck.

Why are you posting pictures and video of federal agents and implying that they represent all conservatives and/or Trump supporters?

This is RPF, not Retards Anonymous.