Bannon, basically: Trump’s campaign was a fraud

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/08/19/bannon-basically-trumps-campaign-was-a-fraud/?utm_term=.215fc72b0a16

Trump has already backed off on executing many campaign promises. But a president has a hard time changing any policy without any help from Congress. But Trump is Trump and does not care what anybody else thinks about things.


Stephen K. Bannon says he will be “covering” for President Trump on the outside, but the former White House chief strategist made a breathtakingly candid admission in the hours after his exit on Friday.

“The Trump presidency that we fought for, and won, is over,” Bannon told the Weekly Standard. “We still have a huge movement, and we will make something of this Trump presidency. But that presidency is over. It’ll be something else. And there’ll be all kinds of fights, and there’ll be good days and bad days, but that presidency is over.”

What, exactly, did Bannon mean? Well, he got specific:

“I just think his ability to get anything done — particularly the bigger things, like the wall, the bigger, broader things that we fought for, it’s just going to be that much harder,” Bannon said of Trump.

And what will be the effect of the remaining White House advisers on Trump?

“I think they’re going to try to moderate him,” Bannon said. “I think he’ll sign a clean debt ceiling; I think you’ll see all this stuff. His natural tendency — and I think you saw it this week on Charlottesville — his actual default position is the position of his base, the position that got him elected. I think you’re going to see a lot of constraints on that. I think it’ll be much more conventional.”

The line about Trump's “natural tendency” is exactly what Bannon meant about covering for the president. When Trump fails to deliver something he promised, as a candidate, Bannon will assure the faithful that their president's heart was in the right place but that the swamp got in his way.

But the bigger takeaway here is that Bannon believes Trump will fail. The wall? Probably not going to happen. Sweeping tax cuts? Bannon predicted “they’ll do a very standard Republican version of taxes.” Repealing Obamacare? Please. Bannon called the GOP plan that Trump backed “a half-hearted attempt at Obamacare reform.”

That's right — “reform.” Bannon wouldn't even call it a repeal effort.

The short translation is that Trump's campaign was a fraud. The ideas that Trump sold and his supporters bought are unlikely to turn into actions, according to Bannon.

It sounds like Bannon, who will return to Breitbart News, will pin the blame on everyone around the president, rather than the man himself. The question is whether the voters who put Trump in the Oval Office will be so charitable.

[Suzanimal]

A politician not fulfilling campaign promises? Say it ain't so!:eek::rolleyes:

[Zippyjuan]

A politician not fulfilling campaign promises? Say it ain't so!:eek::rolleyes:

Sometimes reality gets in the way of ideals. Politicians are all salesmen and their goal is to close the deal- promise what it takes to get that done. And Trump is an excellent sales person. Not as good on the customer service end. That is somebody else's problem.

[acptulsa]

Only one of the many, many news outlets which picked that story up had the news faking audacity to interpret Bannon's words as indicating Bannon considers Trump not a failure, but a fraud--the Washington ComPost.

And which headline does Zippy choose for our consumption...?

[Zippyjuan]

Only one of the many, many news outlets which picked that story up had the news faking audacity to interpret Bannon's words as indicating Bannon considers Trump not a failure, but a fraud--the Washington ComPost.

And which headline does Zippy choose for our consumption...?

You are right. Bannon said things are going amazing for Trump- that he is achieving all of his goals he set out to achieve.


“The Trump presidency that we fought for, and won, is over,” Bannon told the Weekly Standard. “We still have a huge movement, and we will make something of this Trump presidency. But that presidency is over. It’ll be something else.

[enhanced_deficit]

His camapaign cleverly exploited the political situation that was created after 8 years of DGP's race card plays and certainly there were many populist messages not fully grounded in reality. But since everything is relative, he may still end up being an improvement in the end at the end of his term. He was lucky to follow such a poor puppet that many people seemed willing to give him benefit of the doubt. There was no way Trump could lose to SWCs Obama-Hillary cabal in 2016.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?514041-And-down-come-the-monuments-to-the-Confederacy&p=6514398&viewfull=1#post6514398

[acptulsa]

You are right. Bannon said things are going amazing for Trump- that he is achieving all of his goals he set out to achieve.

I'm right that the Compost overreached with that headline inferring a fraudulent intent was implied in Bannon's declaration of failure, that you were drawn to it like a moth to a flame, or both?

[nikcers]

I'm right that the Compost overreached with that headline inferring a fraudulent intent was implied in Bannon's declaration of failure, that you were drawn to it like a moth to a flame, or both?

Headline is correct conclusion but this has less to do with internal whitehouse disputes like the misinformation stream media says and more to do with geopolitics. They are doing NAFTA negotiations this week. This is a clear re-commitment to NAFTA, I think if they would of got rid of Cohn though it would of sent the opposite message.

[Zippyjuan]

Headline is correct conclusion but this has less to do with internal whitehouse disputes like the misinformation stream media says and more to do with geopolitics. They are doing NAFTA negotiations this week. This is a clear re-commitment to NAFTA, I think if they would of got rid of Cohn though it would of sent the opposite message.

Trump "walked away" from the TPP which was never ratified so he walked away from something we were never part of- ie. he did nothing there. NAFTA is going to straighten out some details but won't be a major modification or an ending of the agreement. Repeal and Replace Obamacare died quickly though they may make some minor modifications at a later date. He shut down the group which was supposed to help him plan his $1 trillion infrastructure program so that is probably dead. All the various factions and lobbies will make passing tax reform in the fall difficult. With a Republican House and Senate it should be easy to pass legislation but while the party agrees on some basic goals, they have serious disagreements on the details which will make getting things passed difficult- as we saw on Obamacare. Opposition to Obama was easy. Uniting to get things done when they are in power is much more difficult.

[acptulsa]

Headline is correct conclusion...

Wouldn't be surprised. But the ComPost is not correct to say Bannon implied anything of the sort. They can't even have any way to know if Bannon believes that or not.

[nikcers]

Trump "walked away" from the TPP which was never ratified so he walked away from something we were never part of- ie. he did nothing there. NAFTA is going to straighten out some details but won't be a major modification or an ending of the agreement. Repeal and Replace Obamacare died quickly though they may make some minor modifications at a later date. He shut down the group which was supposed to help him plan his $1 trillion infrastructure program.
Like Rand said in the debate TPP was always about containing China because they were cooking their books. When their currency was supposed to crash they paraded their nukes on CCTV. The crash Ron Paul warned about was staved off by MAD. This is why NK rushed to build nukes and the banksters want to make an example of any country that wants to become a part of the MAD club.

[Zippyjuan]

Like Rand said in the debate TPP was always about containing China because they were poking the banksters by cooking their books. When their currency was supposed to crash they paraded their nukes on CCTV. The crash Ron Paul warned about was staved off by MAD. This is why NK rushed to build nukes and the banksters want to make an example of any country that wants to become a part of the MAD club.

TPP would have constrained China more than us.

[acptulsa]

He shut down the group which was supposed to help him plan his $1 trillion infrastructure program so that is probably dead.

The last one out of the room usually does turn off the lights. But the information I saw was the group itself all fled for fear of being doxxed.

[Ender]

Wouldn't be surprised. But the ComPost is not correct to say Bannon implied anything of the sort. They can't even have any way to know if Bannon believes that or not.

Bannon did say Trump's presidency is over- as far as a fraud, I've always though Trump talked out of both sides of his mouth- you know, the art of the deal. ;)

[Zippyjuan]

The last one out of the room usually does turn off the lights. But the information I saw was the group itself all fled for fear of being doxxed.

That was the Business Advisory Group- they were leaving in droves this week. This was a separate group. It was supposed to be the topic of discussion before Trump went off script and got into the Charlotville Protests. He had a huge, beautiful chart all ready to go.

https://********************************/2017/04/afp_n943j_142132953.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&strip=all

[nikcers]

TPP would have constrained China more than us.
It was more about the huge Chinese investment in America, its kind of like diversifying your investments when you know one could crash. We kind of bailed them out that's why the west is so gung ho about ramping up our foreign policy. The American empire uses China to launder their blood money and think they have an IOU from China.

[acptulsa]

That was the Business Advisory Group- they were leaving in droves this week. This was a separate group. It was supposed to be the topic of discussion before Trump went off script and got into the Charlotville Protests. He had a huge, beautiful chart all ready to go.

You should straighten cnbc out then. They're saying it was both groups.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/16/heres-whos-in-and-out-of-trumps-economic-advisory-councils.html

[Zippyjuan]

You should straighten cnbc out then. They're saying it was both groups.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/16/heres-whos-in-and-out-of-trumps-economic-advisory-councils.html

This is yet another group. this one was actually still in the process of being formed- though defections from those probably encouraged Trump to end it. http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/17/politics/trump-ends-council-on-infrastructure/index.html


Trump ends plans for his Council on Infrastructure

President Donald Trump has ended plans for an Advisory Council on Infrastructure, according to a White House official, ending a panel that was created by an executive order the President signed in July.

The move comes a day after Trump disbanded two other councils -- the Manufacturing Council and the Strategy & Policy Forum -- after business leaders, CEOs and union leaders began fleeing the groups in response to the President blaming "both sides" for violence in Charlottesville, Virginia. The councils were largely undermined by the departures but Trump tweeted that he was disbanding the panels rather than pressuring business leaders to stay.

Trump's infrastructure council was still being formed but the President decided to end the process, the official said. No reason was given.

"The President has announced the end of the Manufacturing Council and the Strategy & Policy Forum. In addition, the President's Advisory Council on Infrastructure, which was still being formed, will not move forward," the official said.




The council, per the order, would "study the scope and effectiveness of, and make findings and recommendations to the President regarding, federal government funding, support, and delivery of infrastructure projects in several sectors, including surface transportation, aviation, ports and waterways, water resources, renewable energy generation, electricity transmission, broadband, pipelines, and other such sectors as determined by the Council."

Trump promised during the campaign to pass a wholesale infrastructure reform bill as President, but that priority has largely fallen on the back-burner in the White House and on Capitol Hill, where attempts to pass health care and tax reform have been the primary focus.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Bannon, basically: Trump’s campaign was a fraud




LOL. Bannon did not say any such thing.

There is a disturbing trend that I've noticed being on the uptick for awhile. The trend is taking what people say and then pretending that your own interpretation is what they uttered. You, Zipper John, have actually done this, even going so far as the put words in quotation marks that no one ever uttered.

Perhaps you should reserve these inflammatory words for yourself. Your deception here really has hit a new low.

[angelatc]

Sometimes reality gets in the way of ideals. Politicians are all salesmen and their goal is to close the deal- promise what it takes to get that done. And Trump is an excellent sales person. Not as good on the customer service end. That is somebody else's problem.

This isn't about customer service in any sense. It literally means he can't get the GOP to adopt his positions so he's cutting deals.

And from the original article:


His natural tendency — and I think you saw it this week on Charlottesville — his actual default position is the position of his base, the position that got him elected. I think you’re going to see a lot of constraints on that

Contrary to what you titled your post, this indicates his campaign wasn't a fraud. The rest of the GOP is still mired in their muck, but apparently Trump believes what Trump said.

[AuH20]

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[r3volution 3.0]

It sounds like Bannon, who will return to Breitbart News, will pin the blame on everyone around the president, rather than the man himself.

They've been doing that from day 1.


The question is whether the voters who put Trump in the Oval Office will be so charitable.

"Gullible" would be more apt, but, in any event, yes, Trump's base will gobble up any nonsense they're fed.

The much larger, floating middle of the GOP will hopefully wise up (already have to some extent, see approval numbers).

[uncharted]

Ohio Gang? Anyone?

[JustinTime]

Not a fraud, he cant fulfill any campaign promises because nearly all the politicians, and corporate owned media as well, have aligned against him and blocking him at every turn.

That's how I know he is the real deal. Buffoonish, I admit, but if he were really as evil as he is made out to be, he wouldn't be made out to be that way.

[JustinTime]

The much larger, floating middle of the GOP will hopefully wise up (already have to some extent, see approval numbers).

Yes, and go back to the warmongering, murderous Bush family, or someone like them. Very wise of 'em.

[JustinTime]

LOL. Bannon did not say any such thing.

There is a disturbing trend that I've noticed being on the uptick for awhile.

Ive read several stories this weekend making it appear that Bannon and Trump are now at odds, or that Bannon had "declared war" on Trump. When I watched video of what Bannon actually said I realized these stories were shameless lies.

I suspect its being done to drive a wedge between Breitbarters and Trump.

[r3volution 3.0]

Yes, and go back to the warmongering, murderous Bush family, or someone like them. Very wise of 'em.

If libertarians don't offer them a good alternative, that's what will happen, yes.

The thing is is (:cool:), we were beating the Bushites like a drum before nationalism reared its ugly head.

I'm confident that with Trump out, embarrassed, and his movement in tatters, we'll do so again.

[Anti Federalist]

The Swamp won.

Color me shocked.

[JustinTime]

If libertarians don't offer them a good alternative, that's what will happen, yes.

The thing is is (:cool:), we were beating the Bushites like a drum before nationalism reared its ugly head.

You were?


I'm confident that with Trump out, embarrassed, and his movement in tatters, we'll do so again.

Libertarians would be better off working within Trump's coalition to accomplish libertarian goals than jumping in with leftist socialists and crony capitalists neocons of the Est. GOP. That's like siding with the sharks to drown the lifeguard who kicked a little sand in your face when you were on the beach.

And whats the problem with nationalism?

[JustinTime]

That was the Business Advisory Group- they were leaving in droves this week. This was a separate group. It was supposed to be the topic of discussion before Trump went off script and got into the Charlotville Protests. He had a huge, beautiful chart all ready to go.

https://********************************/2017/04/afp_n943j_142132953.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&strip=all

A) Trump was 100% right about Charlottesville, he blamed both sides, I'm thrilled to hear a president do that.

B) He is probably better off without this "advisory group" of corporate vultures with their hands out, wanting special deals in exchange for "good economic news" photo ops and all. Just be happy they are gone.

[Zippyjuan]

A) Trump was 100% right about Charlottesville, he blamed both sides, I'm thrilled to hear a president do that.

B) He is probably better off without this "advisory group" of corporate vultures with their hands out, wanting special deals in exchange for "good economic news" photo ops and all. Just be happy they are gone.

Trump promised he would give help to businesses. He asked for the committees to be formed. The "infrastructure" group was created by one of his Executive Orders.

[Swordsmyth]

Trump promised he would give help to businesses. He asked for the committees to be formed.
He shouldn't have.

[devil21]

Not a fraud, he cant fulfill any campaign promises because nearly all the politicians, and corporate owned media as well, have aligned against him and blocking him at every turn.

That's how I know he is the real deal. Buffoonish, I admit, but if he were really as evil as he is made out to be, he wouldn't be made out to be that way.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k8craCGpgs

[milgram]

his actual default position is the position of his base, the position that got him elected
For this reason his campaign was not a fraud.
While he hasn't accomplished very many of his big goals, I would not call that fraudulent unless he never actually believed in the positions that won him the election.

Still he never should have endorsed McCain over Ward.

[Schifference]

So what would have been the difference if we had achieved our goal of a Ron Paul presidency. Granted Ron was respected and diplomatic but, he voted alone and failed to achieve any real change in Washington. He fought but never won as a congressman. He gained a loyal base.

If Ron Paul were president would he have been able to change government or would all the Republicans that never voted with him still not vote with him?

A huge locomotive traveling down a mountain pass will not be stopped by one lone pair of working brake shoes.

Please do not interpret what I have said into something I do not mean. I think Ron Paul's ideals are wonderful and think he is a true patriot. The problem is when you are the only patriot others in power do not share your patriotism.

Looking back over the past decade I would think that only a politician that has or can gain support from others will succeed. It is great to see someone grandstanding against the media but that is not what gets things done in the oval office. Trump is to radical and impulsive. He has alienated himself from everyone. We need a moral diplomat that demands and deserves respect. Someone that will abide by the law and work to change it with the support of his colleagues. The most capable person in my opinion to be president in this day and age would be someone like Trey Gowdy.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

This thread is, basically, a fraud.

[Champ]

If Ron Paul were president would he have been able to change government or would all the Republicans that never voted with him still not vote with him?

This thought has crossed my mind a lot often in recent months. Short answer to it would be, no, he wouldn't have been able to achieve almost anything assuming he was not assassinated before inauguration. We have insight into this now to some degree because of the Trump show. The countless amount of games, media tricks, deep state tactics, identity virtue signaling, and the reliance on an uneducated populace have made it largely impossible to do much of anything. Bannon admitted as much recently, and we have seen Trump unable to work with a bought out and paid for Congress or a litany of corrupt judges that put their own leftist ideologies first above the constitution.

Trump actually thought he could work with neocons, leftists, and deep staters that believe in nothing except maintaining power by extending some half assed olive branch. He held his tongue on Paul Ryan and others after ripping them for years during the election. He brought in all sorts of neocons, bankers, and allowed Obama holdovers to stay indefinitely. He was less interested in principles and more interested in generating an operating cabinet that could achieve his nationalistic goals through compromise and acting like some kind of deal maker. It didn't work at all. They still want him gone or dead, whatever comes first. He is dealing with people that have no interest in getting along, they only want people to join them if they are useful and discard any opposition. Trump has not recognized this even after they have discarded most of the nationalists that he had. He still hasn't recognized this or he is playing coy to maintain his base. We'll see.

Ron Paul stands firmly on his principles. He would not have lined his cabinet like this at all. He would not have worked with them like Trump attempted to. He would not have worked with the deep state, which would have been a quick ticket to nationwide villainy and 24/7 baseless attacks by the deep state influenced/operated media. He has stated this many times throughout countless interviews he would not play ball like that and that's why he was often the only "No" vote. On the contrary Rand does play ball, he plays the game and tries to achieve liberty through this game. A Rand presidency may have seen more similarities to Trump than Ron's would have. Ron has stated this is the biggest disagreement between himself and his son, but ultimately they believe in the same principles. Ron wasn't interested in getting along or playing games, he was interested only in following the constitution and exposing people to liberty.

We will know more soon, but it's still early into this presidency and there are already plenty of clues to answer some of these questions.

[acptulsa]

This thread is, basically, a fraud.

Well, the thread title is fraudulent enough. No doubt that's why the Zippy Account picked it.

[Swordsmyth]

So what would have been the difference if we had achieved our goal of a Ron Paul presidency. Granted Ron was respected and diplomatic but, he voted alone and failed to achieve any real change in Washington. He fought but never won as a congressman. He gained a loyal base.

If Ron Paul were president would he have been able to change government or would all the Republicans that never voted with him still not vote with him?

A huge locomotive traveling down a mountain pass will not be stopped by one lone pair of working brake shoes.

Please do not interpret what I have said into something I do not mean. I think Ron Paul's ideals are wonderful and think he is a true patriot. The problem is when you are the only patriot others in power do not share your patriotism.

Looking back over the past decade I would think that only a politician that has or can gain support from others will succeed. It is great to see someone grandstanding against the media but that is not what gets things done in the oval office. Trump is to radical and impulsive. He has alienated himself from everyone. We need a moral diplomat that demands and deserves respect. Someone that will abide by the law and work to change it with the support of his colleagues. The most capable person in my opinion to be president in this day and age would be someone like Trey Gowdy.


This thought has crossed my mind a lot often in recent months. Short answer to it would be, no, he wouldn't have been able to achieve almost anything assuming he was not assassinated before inauguration. We have insight into this now to some degree because of the Trump show. The countless amount of games, media tricks, deep state tactics, identity virtue signaling, and the reliance on an uneducated populace have made it largely impossible to do much of anything. Bannon admitted as much recently, and we have seen Trump unable to work with a bought out and paid for Congress or a litany of corrupt judges that put their own leftist ideologies first above the constitution.

Trump actually thought he could work with neocons, leftists, and deep staters that believe in nothing except maintaining power by extending some half assed olive branch. He held his tongue on Paul Ryan and others after ripping them for years during the election. He brought in all sorts of neocons, bankers, and allowed Obama holdovers to stay indefinitely. He was less interested in principles and more interested in generating an operating cabinet that could achieve his nationalistic goals through compromise and acting like some kind of deal maker. It didn't work at all. They still want him gone or dead, whatever comes first. He is dealing with people that have no interest in getting along, they only want people to join them if they are useful and discard any opposition. Trump has not recognized this even after they have discarded most of the nationalists that he had. He still hasn't recognized this or he is playing coy to maintain his base. We'll see.

Ron Paul stands firmly on his principles. He would not have lined his cabinet like this at all. He would not have worked with them like Trump attempted to. He would not have worked with the deep state, which would have been a quick ticket to nationwide villainy and 24/7 baseless attacks by the deep state influenced/operated media. He has stated this many times throughout countless interviews he would not play ball like that and that's why he was often the only "No" vote. On the contrary Rand does play ball, he plays the game and tries to achieve liberty through this game. A Rand presidency may have seen more similarities to Trump than Ron's would have. Ron has stated this is the biggest disagreement between himself and his son, but ultimately they believe in the same principles. Ron wasn't interested in getting along or playing games, he was interested only in following the constitution and exposing people to liberty.

We will know more soon, but it's still early into this presidency and there are already plenty of clues to answer some of these questions.

As I remember Dr. Paul put out an article on what the President could do by himself to fix things.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Well, the thread title is fraudulent enough. No doubt that's why the Zippy Account picked it.


Zipper John is a research demon!


https://media.tenor.com/images/a1fa5b3d620cd52b1da5696faf415316/tenor.gif

[Zippyjuan]

As I remember Dr. Paul put out an article on what the President could do by himself to fix things.

The Constitution established a system of checks and balances- preventing any one part of the government from ruling everything. That was to reduce the chances of tyranny and dictatorships. By himself, a president has limited powers. Congress has the power to write laws or change them. A president can mostly veto or sign such laws. Then the courts are to decide on conflicts between those two parties. Its intent was to force groups to work together to get things done. Donald Trump or Ron Paul or Rand Paul has to work with Congress if the hope to achieve anything. And presently Trump is not showing a lot of willingness to work with people. The government world works differently from the corporate world. People don't have to jump because you say so.

[acptulsa]

The Constitution established a system of checks and balances- preventing any one part of the government from ruling everything. That was to reduce the chances of tyranny and dictatorships. By himself, a president has limited powers. Congress has the power to write laws or change them. A president can mostly veto or sign such laws. Then the courts are to decide on conflicts between those two parties. Its intent was to force groups to work together to get things done. Donald Trump or Ron Paul or Rand Paul has to work with Congress if the hope to achieve anything. And presently Trump is not showing a lot of willingness to work with people. The government world works differently from the corporate world. People don't have to jump because you say so.

The president has to work with Congress to achieve anything? Anything? Including bringing the military home? Including writing an executive order? Including telling the many bureaus under the direct command of the Executive branch where to focus their attention?

Anything?

And are you seriously arguing that the Constitution's checks and balances are just as strong as they ever were?

[Swordsmyth]

The Constitution established a system of checks and balances- preventing any one part of the government from ruling everything. That was to reduce the chances of tyranny and dictatorships. By himself, a president has limited powers. Congress has the power to write laws or change them. A president can mostly veto or sign such laws. Then the courts are to decide on conflicts between those two parties. Its intent was to force groups to work together to get things done. Donald Trump or Ron Paul or Rand Paul has to work with Congress if the hope to achieve anything. And presently Trump is not showing a lot of willingness to work with people. The government world works differently from the corporate world. People don't have to jump because you say so.

And Dr. Paul's article laid out what a President could and couldn't do by himself.
Stop trying to put words in my mouth or Dr. Paul's it is unsanitary.

[Zippyjuan]

And Dr. Paul's article laid out what a President could and couldn't do by himself.
Stop trying to put words in my mouth or Dr. Paul's it is unsanitary.

There is no link to Dr. Paul's article. I cannot read what he said (nor put words in his or your mouths).

[liveandletlive]

Trump will likely increase US involvement in Afghanistan to be announced in a speech tonight

Despite claiming to be non-interventionist, he now only listens to "his" generals. So there you have it, the man is a complete and utter fraud. Still, he has many delusional fans here and in MAGA-nation.

[acptulsa]

There is no link to Dr. Paul's article. I cannot read what he said (nor put words in his or your mouths).

Interesting how the Zippy du jour's Google Fu always fails him when and where the link in question would not further the causes of the propagandists.

[Swordsmyth]

There is no link to Dr. Paul's article. I cannot read what he said (nor put words in his or your mouths).
You tried to imply that I and Dr. Paul wanted the President to do unconstitutional things, and you tried to claim there was nothing the President could do by himself in direct contradiction of what I said Dr. Paul wrote.

[acptulsa]

So there you have it, the man is a complete and utter fraud.

You say it. I've said it. But the fact remains that Steve Bannon has not said it, or even implied it.

[Zippyjuan]

Trump will likely increase US involvement in Afghanistan to be announced in a speech tonight

Despite claiming to be non-interventionist, he now only listens to "his" generals. So there you have it, the man is a complete and utter fraud. Still, he has many delusional fans here and in MAGA-nation.

The only significant campaign promises kept so far are dropping climate change and bombing ISIS and naming a Supreme Court justice. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37982000

[PierzStyx]

The Swamp won.

Color me shocked.

Why is anyone shocked? Trump has been knee deep in swamp mud since he became a public figure. He isn't changing, he is just demonstrating what he always has been- as at home in the swamp as a backwoods Creole cooking gumbo in the Louisiana Bayou.

[PierzStyx]

Interesting how the Zippy du jour's Google Fu always fails him when and where the link in question would not further the causes of the propagandists.

Why ii it his job to do another person's work? If you have an argument you do the work to back it up. Otherwise you're just making claims without evidence of any kind- i.e. producing propaganda.

[PierzStyx]

You tried to imply that I and Dr. Paul wanted the President to do unconstitutional things, and you tried to claim there was nothing the President could do by himself in direct contradiction of what I said Dr. Paul wrote.

You can say a lot of things. But if you're making claims how about you provide the evidence? Otherwise why take anything you say serious?

[acptulsa]

Why ii it his job to do another person's work? If you have an argument you do the work to back it up. Otherwise you're just making claims without evidence of any kind- i.e. producing propaganda.

Well, I remember Ron Paul making the point, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I think I, too, might take it on faith that people who frequent this place would know the statement is true.

But I didn't say it was his job. Though digging up stuff does seem to be his job, as many hours as he spends every day doing it.

Certainly he knows enough not to be running around blathering that there isn't anything a president can do without the cooperation of Congress.

[Swordsmyth]

You can say a lot of things. But if you're making claims how about you provide the evidence? Otherwise why take anything you say serious?

I said I remembered an article from Dr. Paul, what is it that you doubt? That Dr. Paul wrote such an article?
I am trying to find it but it was written a long time ago and I don't remember the title.

[nikcers]

So what would have been the difference if we had achieved our goal of a Ron Paul presidency.

RP would take a bullet before giving the CIA authorization to order drone strikes. If you want more differences let me know, I got lots of them.

[Zippyjuan]

You tried to imply that I and Dr. Paul wanted the President to do unconstitutional things, and you tried to claim there was nothing the President could do by himself in direct contradiction of what I said Dr. Paul wrote.

I say no such thing. I point out what the Constitution does. I only point out the difficulties of trying to act alone. I don't say Trump or Dr. Paul would violate it. You are just making noise. Any link to what Ron Paul says on the subject?

[Zippyjuan]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/breitbart-staffer-says-site-will-call-for-impeachment-if-trump-abandons-campaign-promises/article/2632100


Breitbart staffer says site will call for 'impeachment' if Trump abandons campaign promises


The pro-Trump Breitbart News site, back under the leadership of former senior White House chief strategist Steve Bannon, is prepared to campaign for the president's impeachment if he strays from his campaign promises, according to a new report.

An article published Sunday night in Vanity Fair quoted an anonymous Breitbart staffer as saying that the website is willing to side with House Speaker Paul Ryan, a frequent target of Breitbart, if Trump shows signs of veering from his nationalist agenda.

"We're prepared to help Paul Ryan rally votes for impeachment," the source said.

A source at Breitbart told the Washington Examiner on Monday that Bannon's return to the site has emboldened the staff in terms of its coverage on the administration.

Bannon resigned from his White House position last week and said in a media interview that, "The Trump presidency that we fought for and won, is over."

[acptulsa]

I hear a lot of talk about impeachment, but I sure haven't heard any allegations of high crimes and misdemeanors.

Except from one delusional moron who said something about a president telling the FBI to lay off a dead end investigation being 'obstruction of justice'.

Fraud, fraud everywhere, and still the headline Zippy copied and pasted to this thread is a lie.

[Zippyjuan]

I hear a lot of talk about impeachment, but I sure haven't heard any allegations of high crimes and misdemeanors.

Except from one delusional moron who said something about a president telling the FBI to lay off a dead end investigation being 'obstruction of justice'.

Fraud, fraud everywhere, and still the headline Zippy copied and pasted to this thread is a lie.

As of now, he hasn't done anything worthy of impeachment. If failing to keep all campaign promises is just grounds, all presidents could be impeached. "Fraud" was probably too strong of a word but it reflects that Trump is failing to live up to his high expectations (most presidents fail at that). Reality has a way of getting in the way of campaign promises made.

[acptulsa]

As of now, he hasn't done anything worthy of impeachment. If failing to keep all campaign promises is just grounds, all presidents could be impeached.


https://youtube.com/watch?v=bRmtpau8sOU

Name a campaign promise Calvin Coolidge made that he didn't keep.

[r3volution 3.0]

Libertarians would be better off working within Trump's coalition

To...retain Obamacare? ...expand the wars? ...increase spending? ...expand the police state? ...restrict trade?

No, thanks, we'll oppose all that and pursue libertarian goals instead.


And whats the problem with nationalism?

Nationalistic policies such as protectionism conflict with liberty; nationalist politics such as Trump's distract from liberty-based politics.

[Jamesiv1]

Anybody who is not on board the Trump Train is an enemy of Liberty.

[Zippyjuan]

Anybody who is not on board the Trump Train is an enemy of Liberty.

Including Ron Paul? http://radio.foxnews.com/2015/07/15/dr-ron-paul-donald-trump-is-a-dangerous-person/


Dr. Ron Paul: Donald Trump ‘Is A Dangerous Person’


Wednesday on "The Alan Colmes Show," Alan spoke with former Presidential candidate and Congressman Dr. Ron Paul about a new book he has written called Swords Into Plowshares, which will be released this week. In the book, Dr. Paul documents his experiences with war and his hope that future generations will not be dragged into perpetual conflicts.

Dr. Paul gave Alan his opinions on the Iran deal President Obama discussed at a press conference earlier today, and shared his frank take on Donald Trump, who he called a "dangerous person" and "the opposite of a Libertarian:"

COLMES: What's your reaction to the deal?

DR. PAUL: I've been very supportive of what the President is trying to do. So I would be in support of the agreement. Even though from my viewpoint there's a lot of shortcomings because I like to think there was a time in our history where we dealt with this in a different manner. That one country with another country worked out its affairs, the Executive branch worked it out into a treaty and then the Senate approved it. This is very international and it requires a lot and it's not going to be, it's not a treaty, therefore the Congress rightfully should have something to say about it. But it was done in a manner that I wasn't very enthusiastic about.

*****

COLMES: Is Donald Trump good or bad for the Republican Party?

DR. PAUL: Well, I don't even care whether he's good or bad for the Republican Party, I don't have much interest in that per se, but I think he's is a dangerous person. And a lot of people find him sort of funny, and love him, even Libertarian types.

COLMES: Why is he dangerous?

DR. PAUL: They like him because he's so disruptive to the party system, and I enjoy that too. But I think he's a man that if conditions deteriorate, which they can, see I work on the assumption that the world is no more stable than Greece, and if those conditions come, people want to be told what to do. "And I know what the answer is, and I'll do this, and I am the man to this." And he comes across this very well, and people listen to him, and I believe he may be raising white horses someplace and he's going to ride in. Because he is almost the opposite of a Libertarian, because it's not like "I want to give you your freedom and your liberty to run your life as you choose. Your civil liberties are absolutely yours, you can't hurt anybody, it's your own money you can spend it any way you want." But he sounds like the person, "I know the answers and I'm going to do this and I've done this, I've done this, this and this."

COLMES: An authoritarian?

DR. PAUL: He's an authoritarian and that's the way he claims he made all his money. So I see that as dangerous.

[acptulsa]

Including Ron Paul? http://radio.foxnews.com/2015/07/15/dr-ron-paul-donald-trump-is-a-dangerous-person/

I knew you were new to the job! I just knew it!

LOL

[TheTexan]

But the bigger takeaway here is that Bannon believes Trump will fail. The wall? Probably not going to happen.

But then how will we keep the Mexicans from taking our good paying janitorial jobs??

[TheTexan]

Anybody who is not on board the Trump Train is an enemy of Liberty.

^ this

Trump is like, the most libertarian president we've had in at least 8 years

[juleswin]

A politician not fulfilling campaign promises? Say it ain't so!:eek::rolleyes:

He said and many people believed him when he said he was a business man not a politician. Well, it seems like that too was a lie :(

It turns out that he lies more than politicians and spreads more fake news than CNN :)

[Zippyjuan]

But then how will we keep the Mexicans from taking our good paying janitorial jobs??

Most immigrants now come from India and China anyways. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/china-india-replace-mexico-top-u-s-immigrant-origin-nations-n353256

Flow from Mexico is now heading the other direction: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/20/more-mexicans-leaving-us-than-entering-study-says.html

We need a China, not Mexico, wall.

[TheTexan]

Most immigrants now come from India and China anyways. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/china-india-replace-mexico-top-u-s-immigrant-origin-nations-n353256

Flow from Mexico is now heading the other direction: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/20/more-mexicans-leaving-us-than-entering-study-says.html

We need a China, not Mexico, wall.

Not if we ban chinese and india immigrants

#Trump2020 !

[Swordsmyth]

Including Ron Paul? http://radio.foxnews.com/2015/07/15/dr-ron-paul-donald-trump-is-a-dangerous-person/


Most immigrants now come from India and China anyways. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/china-india-replace-mexico-top-u-s-immigrant-origin-nations-n353256

Flow from Mexico is now heading the other direction: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/20/more-mexicans-leaving-us-than-entering-study-says.html

We need a China, not Mexico, wall.


I think this zippy is a chat-bot with no sense of humor.

[RJB]

Basically, there are a few trolls from the democratic party on the forums.

[Dr.3D]

I knew you were new to the job! I just knew it!

LOL

Gone on vacation my azz...

Bet he got replaced. :p

[H. E. Panqui]

Basically, there are a few trolls from the democratic party on the forums.

:confused:

...i believe you'll find there are waaaaaaay more trolls from the stinking republican party on these forums...i'd say republican trolls outnumber democrat trolls here 10 to 1...at least...