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MN Patriot
12-11-2007, 07:07 AM
I know Ron has repeatedly stated that he has no intention of running as a third party candidate, but maybe he could be pursuaded into being the Libertarian candidate if every Congressional race also had a Libertarian candidate. There will be 435 House campaigns and 35 Senate campaigns in 2008.

The Libertarian Party sounds like they would welcome Paul as a candidate again. And I am sure the Libertarian Party would gladly accept an influx of several hundred thousand new members in their ranks of Ron Paul supporters.

Imagine the publicity Ron would get as a third party candidate; the big issue would be how many races would the Republicans lose to the Democrats? This time around he wouldn't be treated as an unknown, running by himself in a quixotic campaign. There would also be at least one other Libertarian running with him in every congressional district. A third of the states would have a statewide Senate campandidate on the ballot, too. Plus the states with a gubernatorial race would have a Libertarian on the ballot for that race, too. So the mainstream media might actually give attention to the Libertarians, and more importantly, THE IDEAS OF LIMITED GOVERNMENT AND FREEDOM WOULD ACTUALLY GET ADDRESSED.

Then we would have a situation that would force the Republican Party to decide where they stand, on the side of liberty, or the side of big government. Their talking heads, like Rush, Hannity, Levin would be livid. ( I just heard Rush the other day poo-pooing the idea of getting rid of the IRS, says it will never happen so we might as well accept it.)

And if most Republicans lose their races, then what? Oh well, the Democrat socialists will take over, and the Republican corporatists will have to retreat to their boardrooms and plan how to take over Congress again in 2010. But hopefully there will be enough Americans who have woken up and are immune to the mainstream propaganda. Then we would have an organization that can effectively challenge the statists on both the left and the right.

And for the record, I am not a member of the Libertarian Party. I did run about 10 years ago for congress in the LP. I got 4% of the vote, the Democrat got 50% and the Republican got 46%. They were pretty angry at me, but oh well. I was disillusioned at the LP by this time, it is mostly a debate society, most life members just wanted to sit around and prove their ideological purity and not actually DO anything. The platform is a joke for any serious candidate seeking office. So I decided to wait and see if anything comes of the LP. I see there is some efforts to get them back to reality. Maybe a Ron Paul candidacy in 2008 could attract enough real doers into the party to make it a real factor in American politics.

The Government Levethian keeps growing, libertarian/conservatives keep talking about doing something about. This is where to start doing something, the Ron Paul momentum is growing. It would be a shame to let it fizzle out if he doesn't get the Republican nomination.

Minuteman
12-11-2007, 07:10 AM
Paul will not be running on a 3rd ticket. He already turned down the LP nomination. I know people do not want the "movement" to stop "if" he doesnt get the GOP nod, but you need to go ahead and realize the fact that he will not run as a Libertarian.

Adamsa
12-11-2007, 07:12 AM
Paul will not be running on a 3rd ticket. He already turned down the LP nomination. I know people do not want the "movement" to stop "if" he doesnt get the GOP nod, but you need to go ahead and realize the fact that he will not run as a Libertarian.

Exactly, go for the GOP!

speciallyblend
12-11-2007, 07:13 AM
the libertarian party already dropped the ball, i left the libertarian party to vote for Ron Paul,as far as im concerned the libertarian party is dead. I will not go back to the libertarians,they have totally dropped the ball on Ron Paul, if the republicans dont nominate Ron Paul, there will be 3 parties crossed of my list

FreeTraveler
12-11-2007, 07:30 AM
Since they worked over their platform, they're just "Republican Lite" anyway. There is no "libertarian" in the "Libertarian" party anymore. They've been co-opted.

speciallyblend
12-11-2007, 07:35 AM
The Libertarian Party had the chance to promote their message thru Ron Paul and move their party 300 yrs ahead,but they decided to half ass their support and now they have turned away the same libertarians that were drawn to the party by Harry Browne(people like me).

The Libertarian party has become deaf dumb and blind,now lets see if the republican party wises up or chooses to be deaf dumb and blind and lose the general election and their own party. time will only tell

MN Patriot
12-11-2007, 08:00 AM
The Libertarian Party had the chance to promote their message thru Ron Paul and move their party 300 yrs ahead,but they decided to half ass their support and now they have turned away the same libertarians that were drawn to the party by Harry Browne(people like me).

The Libertarian party has become deaf dumb and blind,now lets see if the republican party wises up or chooses to be deaf dumb and blind and lose the general election and their own party. time will only tell

I haven't even paid attention to what is happening in the Libertarian Party. I know there is some effort to get them to reform the platform so it isn't so ideologically extreme. Issues like privitizing all the roads, open borders, things that in theory are good, but no practical way of doing it. If you are a candidate, the media will rake you over the coals because some of the unrealistic portions of the platform.

I didn't even realize Harry Browne had died until more than a year later. He was in the process of writing a book when he died, I hope it gets published. I joined the LP because of him, too.

So tell me why is the LP deaf dumb and blind? What if Ron decided to run as a Libertarian and thousands of his supporters joined? Would there be any way to build it into a credible third party?

MN Patriot
12-11-2007, 08:24 AM
Paul will not be running on a 3rd ticket. He already turned down the LP nomination. I know people do not want the "movement" to stop "if" he doesnt get the GOP nod, but you need to go ahead and realize the fact that he will not run as a Libertarian.

I hate to be a pessimist. And I hope I am wrong. But the mainstream media and the Establishment doesn't want Ron Paul as the Republican nominee and he won't be running as a Republican against Hillary or whoever the Democrats get.
Ron Paul supporters need to realize they are a minority in the Republican Party.

In 1992, the LP had the fabulously stupid strategy to have presidential candidate Andre Marrou win in Dixville Notch,NH, who traditionally votes at midnight so their results are the first publicized. The Libertarian expected his surprise win there would snowball across the country. I think he did win, but the media ignored it.

And I see a lot of the same pollyannas who think a blimp will miraculously pursuade the country to support Ron Paul. Don't get me wrong, I donated to the blimp, too. It is just one more way to bypass the media propaganda machine. The more people who value freedom who are attracted to Ron's campaign, the better. But there isn't a magic potion to counter act our culture's adoption of government solutions to everything.

People keep joining his campaign by the hundreds each day. All this momentum needs to keep going, even if Ron doesn't get the Republican nomination. If he doesn't get it, then what? Create ANOTHER third party, like Ross Perot did? Ain't gonna happen. Or just let the whole thing die out? Very good chance of happening.