What would the media reaction be if the "alt right" pulled down this statue?

[Anti Federalist]

In Fremont, a neighborhood in Seattle, Washington?

h/t sparebulb

http://blog.victimsofcommunism.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Lenin-Seattle-877x641.jpg

[Danke]

Media black out, Justin Bieber stories/reports.

[RJB]

Lenin was a straight up genocidal maniac.

[Origanalist]

They would have a shit fit and go on for weeks about nazi's. (one more reason to hate Seattle, add it to the encyclopedia)

[Anti Federalist]

Or the one on top of the "Red Square" apartments in NYC?

https://imgs.6sqft.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/20033756/Red-Square-Lenin-statue.jpg

[Danke]

Or the one on top of the "Red Square" apartments in NYC?

https://imgs.6sqft.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/20033756/Red-Square-Lenin-statue.jpg

That is worse than POW..

[Anti Federalist]

Or this statue of Ernesto "Che" Guevara in NYC Central Park?

http://c5.staticflickr.com/4/3633/3484150436_2f07971bda.jpg

[Anti Federalist]

Now that is what should happen, the "alt right" should topple that Che statue, or burn him in effigy.

Watch the idiot left break their backs in mental gymnastics trying to be "outraged".


http://www.catgalaxymedia.com/AnarchiststepsonAmericanflag.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/gWY2VXm.png

[phill4paul]

Or the one on top of the "Red Square" apartments in NYC?

https://imgs.6sqft.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/20033756/Red-Square-Lenin-statue.jpg

Wonder if it was put back up?

Village’s fallen Lenin statue will find new home on LES


Last week, the East Village’s commanding, quirky statue was of Vladimir Lenin was removed from its post on top of Houston Street rental building Red Square after over two decades of presiding over the throughway. The removal was quickly considered another loss for the East Village/Lower East Side, but as it turns out, the 18-foot statue will find a new home in the neighborhood. The original U.S.S.R.-commissioned effigy will take up residence on the rooftop of 178 Norfolk Street, another building owned in part by Red Square developer Michael Rosen.

The statue has already been positioned on top of no. 178, but has yet to be erected. Michael Shaoul, who runs the building’s management, told The Villager that the statue "will be installed on a new plinth sometime in the next few weeks—our guess is a month. We intend him to be visible from the street once he is installed." The statue will have sight lines from neighboring

https://ny.curbed.com/2016/9/26/13058218/lenin-statue-east-village-relocation

[phill4paul]

Or this statue of Ernesto "Che" Guevara in NYC Central Park?

http://c5.staticflickr.com/4/3633/3484150436_2f07971bda.jpg

That would be sweet.

[phill4paul]

Now that is what should happen, the "alt right" should topple that Che statue, or burn him in effigy.

Watch the idiot left break their backs in mental gymnastics trying to be "outraged".


http://www.catgalaxymedia.com/AnarchiststepsonAmericanflag.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/gWY2VXm.png

Ya got to follow out that Che quote... “The Negro is indolent and lazy,” Che opined about his Congolese comrades, “and spends his money on frivolities, whereas the European is forward-looking, organized and intelligent.”

[phill4paul]

That would be sweet.

NVM. That's not a statue. It's an actor portraying a statue....https://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/02/che-or-a-statue-of-an-actor-playing-che/

[Anti Federalist]

NVM. That's not a statue. It's an actor portraying a statue....https://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/02/che-or-a-statue-of-an-actor-playing-che/

Oh drag...well, there has to be statue of the clown somewhere in the US.

[phill4paul]

Oh drag...well, there has to be statue of the clown somewhere in the US.

Doesn't need to be a statue. the left said that just because the neo-nazi's had a Nazi flag they deserved violence. I'm just gonna pop the next Che wearing fucker in the nose and call him a racist.

[angelatc]

NVM. That's not a statue. It's an actor portraying a statue....https://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/02/che-or-a-statue-of-an-actor-playing-che/

Then he'll be easier to cart off. :D

[phill4paul]

@AF Lol. Here's another quote from Che from the Motorcycle diaries....

"The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have maintained their racial purity thanks to their lack of an affinity with bathing, ..."

[oyarde]

Che ? The Butcher of La Cabana ? That guy .

[TheTexan]

Now that is what should happen, the "alt right" should topple that Che statue, or burn him in effigy.

Watch the idiot left break their backs in mental gymnastics trying to be "outraged".


http://www.catgalaxymedia.com/AnarchiststepsonAmericanflag.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/gWY2VXm.png

Damn anarchists.

[Danke]

Che ? The Butcher of La Cabana ? That guy .

Does it make your people jealous?

[oyarde]

Does it make your people jealous?

I hate communists , murderous cuban communists are not any better than the rest .

[Brian4Liberty]

Now that is what should happen, the "alt right" should topple that Che statue, or burn him in effigy.

Watch the idiot left break their backs in mental gymnastics trying to be "outraged".


They would have no problems at all. Logic and consistency have no bearing.

[Anti Federalist]

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[timosman]

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[Anti Federalist]

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Good!

[Madison320]

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Those idiots. It's private property.

[Swordsmyth]

Those idiots. It's private property.
That doesn't mean we can't peacefully protest the statue of the murderous beast.

[acptulsa]

Then he'll be easier to cart off. :D

And he'll melt himself down.

But he's much harder to recast as something useful.

[Madison320]

That doesn't mean we can't peacefully protest the statue of the murderous beast.

True. But it's not analogous to taking down statues on public property.

[TheCount]

Those idiots. It's private property.
The alt right doesn't believe in private property.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

The alt right doesn't believe in private property.

Neither do you and your alt left friends.

[dannno]

True. But it's not analogous to taking down statues on public property.


The alt right doesn't believe in private property.

What about people's graves, are those public property?

[TheCount]

What about people's graves, are those public property?
Depends on the graveyard. There are graveyards which are public property, and others which are private property.

A government-owned graveyard/monument for Confederate soldiers is obviously public property.

[acptulsa]

Depends on the graveyard. There are graveyards which are public property, and others which are private property.

A government-owned graveyard/monument for Confederate soldiers is obviously public property.

Is there no such thing as squatter's rights? Does the fact that a person has reposed in a 3x6x6 patch of ground for 150 years mean nothing?

What are these crazy people going to do with all these dusty bones once they dig them up? Is there a better why to recycle them than to leave them the hell alone?

[Swordsmyth]

Depends on the graveyard. There are graveyards which are public property, and others which are private property.

A government-owned graveyard/monument for Confederate soldiers is obviously public property.
Nothing is sacred to you?
A man's grave is his castle.

[Swordsmyth]

This was private property: http://www.heraldsun.com/news/local/...#storylink=cpy (http://www.heraldsun.com/news/local/counties/durham-county/article167702402.html#fmp#storylink=cpy)

[dannno]

This was private property: http://www.heraldsun.com/news/local/...#storylink=cpy (http://www.heraldsun.com/news/local/counties/durham-county/article167702402.html#fmp#storylink=cpy)

It's great how The Count can come in here trying to convince us that people on the left even give a rats ass about public vs. private property..

But really you can protest in front of private property and ask something be taken down. If the private property owner doesn't like people protesting in front of their property, maybe they will decide it is better to take it down.

For example, if some guy put up a giant picture of some nice boobs on the front of his house. Assuming it is legal to do so in his locale, people might come and protest that they be taken down. They could potentially respect his private property, and respect the law that allows him to have a giant picture of some nice boobs on the front of his house, but maybe the guy gets tired of the protesters who are mostly fat feminist hags anyway and decides to take it down.

[Jamesiv1]

For the next 8 years, the media's reaction to everything will be whatever most antagonizes President Donald J. Trumpmeister III.

The media clearly does not want to Make America Great©

[morfeeis]

Those idiots. It's private property.

The irony of property rights protecting that statue are endless...

[Madison320]

It's great how The Count can come in here trying to convince us that people on the left even give a rats ass about public vs. private property..


His purpose is to support the Democratic Party. The only question is does he get paid. I put him on my ignore list




But really you can protest in front of private property and ask something be taken down. If the private property owner doesn't like people protesting in front of their property, maybe they will decide it is better to take it down.



I agree, as long as the protests are peaceful and not threatening. But since those Seattle protests were in response to the Charlottesville protests, and one of the signs said "Tear it Down", they give the impression they want the government to forcefully remove it. At least to me.

I'd prefer they protest the Lincoln Memorial!

[TheCount]

It's great how The Count can come in here trying to convince us that people on the left even give a rats ass about public vs. private property.. I didn't say anything about the left, only the alt right. Nice try though, excellent deflection.

[acptulsa]

... excellent deflection.

Meh.

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/simon_cowell_9959.jpg

[dannno]

I didn't say anything about the left, only the alt right. Nice try though, excellent deflection.


Meh.

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/simon_cowell_9959.jpg

It wasn't a deflection.

You don't know the motives of the people there, you don't know if they are trying to pass a law to get the statue torn down, or if they are pressuring the private property owner to tear it down, or whether they have no intention of having the statue come down they just want to show leftists how ridiculous they look protesting about taking statues down.

So I was really just responding to a bullshit statement with some semblence of rationality, identifying the dog whistle motivation of the poster.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I didn't say anything about the left,...


Of course you didn't. Duh.



Nice try though, excellent deflection.

Not a deflection at all. You keep trying though!

[acptulsa]

He talked about the alt right, and you accused him of talking about the left.

If it wasn't deflection, then it was a pure reading comprehension issue.

[dannno]

He talked about the alt right, and you accused him of talking about the left.

If it wasn't deflection, then it was a pure reading comprehension issue.

Uh, no, my point was that he didn't know the motivations of the protesters, and clearly the audience the protest was meant for was the left - and they don't care about private property.

Also consider his posting history.

[acptulsa]

Uh, no, my point was that he didn't know the motivations of the protesters, and clearly the audience the protest was meant for was the left - and they don't care about private property.

If that's what you wanted to say, why didn't you?


Also consider his posting history.

What does that have to do with you trying to make a point by saying something entirely different?

Is TheCount a DNC troll as you and NCL claim? Wouldn't be surprised. His posts often fit the pattern, and he certainly did pick a screen name which was a slight variation of the name of a popular poster who had recently dropped out at that time. Just the way AuH20 did. Just as though they hoped they would be mistaken for the other, and fit in, and no one would question them. But I've also seen NCL admit to being a close associate of someone who openly came here as an ambassador for Stormfront or some such racist group, in complete and obvious defiance of the stated site mission of promoting Ron Paul. And I've seen you, over the years, do everything I would do to this place if I were a COINTEL pro.

And here I see the three of you working in perfect concert to devolve this whole forum into a meaningless, supercilious Left v. Right screaming match, even though real libertarians are neither left nor right.

And you wonder why I don't want to play nice.

[TheCount]

You don't know the motives of the people there, you don't know if they are trying to pass a law to get the statue torn down, or if they are pressuring the private property owner to tear it down, or whether they have no intention of having the statue come down they just want to show leftists how ridiculous they look protesting about taking statues down.

It's the last one, but to me it seems that the ones looking ridiculous are the protesters. Either they don't know that it's private property or - more likely - they don't care. Because, as I said, the alt right has no concept of private property rights.

Their desire for government "culture" protection and enforcement is incompatible with private property.


So I was really just responding to a bullshit statement with some semblence of rationality, identifying the dog whistle motivation of the poster.

That's not what a dog whistle is.

[Anti Federalist]

That's not what a dog whistle is.

FTR, what exactly is that?

I've heard that term thrown all around today, I have a gist of what it is supposed to mean, but I want to hear from other people.

[TheCount]

FTR, what exactly is that?

I've heard that term thrown all around today, I have a gist of what it is supposed to mean, but I want to hear from other people. It's when you use a term that has a special or different meaning to your audience that isn't what it generally means.

For example, saying white culture when you really mean white race, and you know that your audience will get your meaning.


Just like only dogs hear the dog whistle, only your intended audience will get your real meaning.

[Anti Federalist]

It's when you use a term that has a special or different meaning to your audience that isn't what it generally means.

For example, saying white culture when you really mean white race, and you know that your audience will get your meaning.

Just like only dogs hear the dog whistle, only your intended audience will get your real meaning.

Hmmm. OK.