What are key differences between "alt-Right" and "alt-Left" ?

[enhanced_deficit]

Bit confused about the term "alt-Right" being used in WaPo and other MSM news headlines lately.

Does anyone know what are alt-Right's stances on contemporary issues/political figures like:

- Trump
- Founding father of ISIS
- Perpetual neocons like Henry Kissinger ( who reportedly opposes elimination of ISIS)
- US taxpayers funded projects to spread democratic freedom/racial-equality values in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Palestine etc
- Admission of refugees from war torn areas of Syria, Palestine, Iraq , Libya etc
- Big government spending





Developing...

Are Ctrl-Left and Ctrl-Right lobbies funded by same financiers?

Alt-Ctrl-Delete-Neocons movement gaining momentum following ISIS carnage

[timosman]

Is the Alt-Right fascist? (https://www.quora.com/Is-the-Alt-Right-fascist)

[acptulsa]

Near as I can tell, the alt-left are liberals who don't want to spend their time coming up with reasons to hate people the way SJWs do. The alt-right, meanwhile, are a bunch of stormfronters trying to come up with yet another new name for themselves, because when they self-identify using all the old ones no one will talk to them.

[Todd]

Near as I can tell, the alt-left are liberals who don't want to spend their time coming up with reasons to hate people the way SJWs do. The alt-right, meanwhile, are a bunch of stormfronters trying to come up with yet another new name for themselves, because when they self-identify using all the old ones no one will talk to them.

There some truth to this I'm afraid. Seems like I was on the edge of being duped but these guys are learning the art of how to couch your language the same way the Communists learned a generation ago. Blood brothers who deserve each other

[Philhelm]

I had to do some personal research, since I've never heard of the Alt-Right until last year. They do exist, but are essentially hipster Nazis. They're so small and fringe that they can't be responsible for Trump's victory, as the media tries to lead people to believe. Totally irrelevant.

[enhanced_deficit]

Thank you all, it is less confusing now.
From explanations above and quick research so far, it seems there were already existing/overlapping terms. Unless MSM's goal was to create a new association term to malign Right's support for Trump, hard to understand still why a new term was coined & deployed.

Also had assumed alt-Left meant neocons but couldn't find examples of such use.



Acronym of the day:

FIC ( Fakenews Industrial Complex)

[acptulsa]

Well, we embraced economic conservatism while rejecting hate and embracing inclusion. Meanwhile, the new bunch of progs dropped the veil from their hateful arrogance and abandoned inclusiveness.

Kind of funny the old-school people from 'each side of the aisle' adopted the 'alternative' label. But it makes them seem less stodgy and more edgy, so of course they did.

[PierzStyx]

They may have different ideological ends -the elimination of property v. the glory of the Volk- but in means and outcomes -oppression, the suppression of the individual "for the greater good"- they are the same. Indeed, if you're going by the American political spectrum rather than the European one, the "Alt. Right" is really a Leftist movement.

[acptulsa]

Isn't it interesting that white separatists and black separatists want the exact same thing, but the one is always called 'far right' and the other 'far left'?

[tod evans]

Isn't it interesting that white separatists and black separatists want the exact same thing, but the one is always called 'far right' and the other 'far left'?

I say give 'em the cities.

Every one with over 150K just let 'em have at it.

Cut off the federal money and let farmers who want the hassle feed 'em...

They'll get it sorted out before next spring...

[nikcers]

The alt-right and alt-left are symptoms of a two party system that doesn't really have two parties.

[acptulsa]

The alt-right and alt-left are symptoms of a two party system that doesn't really have two parties.

This.

More particularly, after shoving Democrats through the Republican primary process a couple of times, they have to find a way to keep Republicans from going to their conventions and throwing the bums out. Because if they do, the Republicans might nominate a pro-prosperity, small business, sound money conservative.

So, after George "Read My Lips" Bush and Bob Dole lost, they invented neoconservatism. And after the Songbird and the Flip-Flopper lost, since the bloodthirsty faction was still sated, they decided to pander to the WWE fans who love Alpha Psychos, and the klansmen.

Remember, if they throw enough candidates in the primaries, it only takes five percent of the population to secure some economically illiterate clown that nomination.

[nikcers]

Remember, if they throw enough candidates in the primaries, it only takes five percent of the population to secure some economically illiterate clown that nomination.

If you get rid of the princple everyone becomes a protest vote.

[RonPaulMall]

Does anyone know what are alt-Right's stances on contemporary issues/political figures like:


- Trump: Generally supportive but they understand he isn't truly one of them. They use him more as a rallying figure than anything else.
- Founding father of ISIS: Generally view it as a creation of Israel and the House of Saud
- Perpetual neocons like Henry Kissinger ( who reportedly opposes elimination of ISIS): War Criminal and Traitor and that is irrespective of his position on ISIS.
- US taxpayers funded projects to spread democratic freedom/racial-equality values in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Palestine etc: Strongly opposed. America First.
- Admission of refugees from war torn areas of Syria, Palestine, Iraq , Libya etc: Strongly opposed. Only immigrants who share our culture and values wanted.
- Big government spending: Largely uninterested. Feel the budget is irrelevant unless more pressing issues aren't fixed first.

Alt Lite's views are the same on most issues, but they care far more about virtue signaling and ensuring that media doesn't consider them racist (even though media always calls them racists anyway). Alt Lite also cares more about Government Spending than Alt Right.

Alt Right and Alt Lite Leaders frequently have personal beefs with each other and engage in endless feuding. Posobeic and Cernovich in particular are known for their pettiness. Augustus Invictus, Baked Alaska, and Faith Goldy are among the few people that get along with both factions and can cross back and forth seamlessly.

Here is a well made video by Alt Right animator Murdoch Murdoch (promoting last year's NPI Conferernce) that really cuts to the essence of the differences between the Alt Right and Alt Lite:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNdLtKHkPoE

[timosman]

Remember, if they throw enough candidates in the primaries, it only takes five percent of the population to secure some economically illiterate clown that nomination.

Really?:confused:

[enhanced_deficit]

- Trump: Generally supportive but they understand he isn't truly one of them. They use him more as a rallying figure than anything else.
- Founding father of ISIS: Generally view it as a creation of Israel and the House of Saud
- Perpetual neocons like Henry Kissinger ( who reportedly opposes elimination of ISIS): War Criminal and Traitor and that is irrespective of his position on ISIS.
- US taxpayers funded projects to spread democratic freedom/racial-equality values in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Palestine etc: Strongly opposed. America First.
- Admission of refugees from war torn areas of Syria, Palestine, Iraq , Libya etc: Strongly opposed. Only immigrants who share our culture and values wanted.
- Big government spending: Largely uninterested. Feel the budget is irrelevant unless more pressing issues aren't fixed first.

Alt Lite's views are the same on most issues, but they care far more about virtue signaling and ensuring that media doesn't consider them racist (even though media always calls them racists anyway). Alt Lite also cares more about Government Spending than Alt Right.



Interesting detailed analysis, it covers many areas and adds new alt-Lite concept. Also many on the Right had started seeing Obama as Foundng Father of ISIS after Trump's speeches.
There is also significant racist mindset in the media/Left/Alt-Left camps , some of their attacks could be coverup/diversion ploy.

[Antischism]

Is alt-left even a term? Alt-right is a rebranding of white nationalism/neo-Nazism created by those individuals. As far as I'm aware, the left hasn't tried to rebrand anything. Antifa is still antifa, libertarian socialists are still libertarian socialists, etc.

[Danke]

Is alt-left even a term? Alt-right is a rebranding of white nationalism/neo-Nazism created by those individuals. As far as I'm aware, the left hasn't tried to rebrand anything. Antifa is still antifa, libertarian socialists are still libertarian socialists, etc.

Supposedly, Hillary was the first to use the term "Alt-right."

[otherone]

Difference?
I'm guessing the alt-left gets laid more.

[enhanced_deficit]

Is alt-left even a term?


It is now.

Breaking: 'Alt-left' charged at 'alt-right,' Trump says, again placing blame for Charlottesvil (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?514062-Breaking-Alt-left-charged-at-alt-right-Trump-says-again-placing-blame-for-Charlottesvi&)

[acptulsa]

It is now.

Breaking: 'Alt-left' charged at 'alt-right,' Trump says, again placing blame for Charlottesvil (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?514062-Breaking-Alt-left-charged-at-alt-right-Trump-says-again-placing-blame-for-Charlottesvi&)

Which I found funny as hell, considering the alt-left are a bunch of liberals who reject the New Violent Left. People call themselves alt-left to differentiate themselves from Antifa, and Trump the Brilliant, who has the Best Information, uses the term alt-left (who disavow Antifa) to avoid calling Antifa by their name.

He's using the same disinformation tactics on the old, non-violent left that the New Violent Left is using on us. Trump is working just as hard to ensure we can't have intelligent conversations with each other as his 'enemy' the media.

[dannno]

Alt-right started out as a group of people supportive of Donald Trump primarily due to his closed border stance and non-acceptance of PC culture and SJW agenda.

As neo-Nazis and storm fronters became evident within the movement fairly quickly, and decided to amplify themselves, more mainstream folks slowly backed away from wanting to be associated with the label. But the media used it to associate anybody who supported Trump with white supremacists and Nazis.

[dannno]

Which I found funny as hell, considering the alt-left are a bunch of liberals who reject the New Violent Left. People call themselves alt-left to differentiate themselves from Antifa, and Trump the Brilliant, who has the Best Information, uses the term alt-left (who disavow Antifa) to avoid calling Antifa by their name.

He's using the same disinformation tactics on the old, non-violent left that the New Violent Left is using on us. Trump is working just as hard to ensure we can't have intelligent conversations with each other as his 'enemy' the media.

If Trump said that the alt-left charged at the alt-right, doesn't he mean that Antifa is the alt-left or a portion of it? That is certainly how I see it, they are the anti-establishment wing of the Democrats, and Antifa is a small portion of that which they are all unfortunately defending. I don't think most people on the alt-left are trying to disassociate themselves with Antifa too much, I think they are putting their fingers in their ears and rationalizing it or ignoring it because they are out battling 'Nazis' aka Trump supporters.

[acptulsa]

If Trump said that the alt-left charged at the alt-right, doesn't he mean that Antifa is the alt-left or a portion of it? That is certainly how I see it, they are the anti-establishment wing of the Democrats, and Antifa is a small portion of that which they are all unfortunately defending. I don't think most people on the alt-left are trying to disassociate themselves with Antifa too much, I think they are putting their fingers in their ears and rationalizing it or ignoring it because they are out battling 'Nazis' aka Trump supporters.

Define 'alt-left' without talking about Trump or making stuff up.

Go ahead. I dare you. Who coined the term? Who used it to identify themselves the day before yesterday?

Can you define a word without checking with Trump first? Do you have a Mirriam-Trump dictionary? How about a Funk and Trump?

Can you pick out a pair of socks without checking with Trump first?

[dannno]

Define 'alt-left' without talking about Trump or making stuff up.

Go ahead. I dare you. Who coined the term? Who used it to identify themselves the day before yesterday?

Can you define a word without checking with Trump first? Do you have a Mirriam-Trump dictionary? How about a Funk and Trump?

Can you pick out a pair of socks without checking with Trump first?

Ya, I was curious myself, I'd already googled it.

I found an article about the alt-left from back in March.

The alt-left I would define, as I said, the anti-establishment wing of the left. So anybody who supported Jill Stein and many who supported Bernie Sanders, especially those who were #NeverHillary. Some alt-left may have voted for Hillary because they were anti-Trump, but many refused to vote for Hillary. The hardcore SJWs are mostly alt-left, but some more establishment SJWs are probably not alt-left. They would have attended Occupy protests if they are old enough. They could have blindly supported Obama, or they could have been a critic if they were more aware. I would not put Antifa OUTSIDE the category of the alt-left, but I don't think everybody in the alt-left wants to go be violent in the streets with all Trump supporters who they define as nazis.

[acptulsa]

If Trump said that the alt-left charged at the alt-right, doesn't he mean that Antifa is the alt-left or a portion of it?

Does it? If he says they are, and they say they aren't, then are they or aren't they?

Do Trump's definitions trump everyone else's?

[dannno]

Does it? If he says they are, and they say they aren't, then are they or aren't they?

Do Trump's definitions trump everyone else's?

Trump has nothing to do with this, but he did call Antifa the alt-left. You seem to just be obfuscating and making up nonsense.

Do you have any evidence that the alt-left attempts to disassociate themselves from Antifa?

[acptulsa]

Trump has nothing to do with this, but he did call Antifa the alt-left. You seem to just be obfuscating and making up nonsense.

Do you have any evidence that the alt-left attempts to disassociate themselves from Antifa?

Here we have people who so identify themselves as alt-left they bought a domain by that name, and they say they don't even like to squash bugs.

So, Trump is misusing their term and I'm the one obfuscating stuff?

[enhanced_deficit]

Which I found funny as hell, considering the alt-left are a bunch of liberals who reject the New Violent Left. People call themselves alt-left to differentiate themselves from Antifa, and Trump the Brilliant, who has the Best Information, uses the term alt-left (who disavow Antifa) to avoid calling Antifa by their name.

He's using the same disinformation tactics on the old, non-violent left that the New Violent Left is using on us. Trump is working just as hard to ensure we can't have intelligent conversations with each other as his 'enemy' the media.

Trump and Media are match made in heaven.
Alt-Left is new term, some left wing liberal media outlets are even claiming that the term does not exist and are protesting it's use LOL
Because of its infancy and lack of established definition, many are defining it as it suits their view.




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