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dannno
08-12-2017, 03:40 PM
Cernovich:

Civil War is here

https://www.pscp.tv/Cernovich/1vAGRNpAXDrGl?


Trumps Comments on Charlotesville

https://www.pscp.tv/Cernovich/1eaJbmegBRdGX?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UpF8H1Zjcw




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U8ZRUFx33k


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOT3wDR7WZU




!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT:


In this video, http://www.departmentofmemes.com/article/protesters-attacked-charlottesville-drivers-car-baseball-bat/, it seems someone hits the driverside/rear with a flag pole before he takes of into the crowd.

liveandletlive
08-12-2017, 03:48 PM
Carefully worded statement by our Dear Leader to not offend his shrinking base of losers.

Matt Collins
08-12-2017, 03:52 PM
Historically the socialists and nationalists have worked together

RonPaulMall
08-12-2017, 05:01 PM
Second angle definitely makes it look like an accident. Antifa probably throwing bricks. Car accelerated to get the hell out, but people ahead obscured the view of the cars down the road and he ran right in to them.

Raginfridus
08-12-2017, 05:10 PM
Who's funding Antifa, anybody good looking hard into that?

phill4paul
08-12-2017, 05:17 PM
All planned and coordinated. Christ, it seems everyone is feeble minded. I think it was after the Charlotte, NC riots and subsequent protests on highways that legislation was passed to allow for drivers that feared for their lives to drive over protesters. THIS was as deliberately contrived as the fact that the alt-right and anti-Fa coalitions were routed into each others paths on the formers' route to Lee/Emancipation park by law enforcement. and then when the confrontation took place it was allowed to foment to the point they cancelled the whole gig and declared the equivalent of martial law.

tod evans
08-12-2017, 05:21 PM
So is that it or are they recharging for tonight?

navy-vet
08-12-2017, 05:25 PM
I just heard that a Va Police chopper was shot down?

tod evans
08-12-2017, 05:27 PM
I just heard that a Va Police chopper was shot down?

I posted a link in the other thread...

navy-vet
08-12-2017, 05:31 PM
I posted a link in the other thread...
thanks Tod

phill4paul
08-12-2017, 05:32 PM
So is that it or are they recharging for tonight?

No idea. I'd wager a "that is it" for now. Both sides will declare victory and victim status. Government will declare they acted "restrained, yet firm."

Anti Federalist
08-12-2017, 06:32 PM
All planned and coordinated. Christ, it seems everyone is feeble minded. I think it was after the Charlotte, NC riots and subsequent protests on highways that legislation was passed to allow for drivers that feared for their lives to drive over protesters. THIS was as deliberately contrived as the fact that the alt-right and anti-Fa coalitions were routed into each others paths on the formers' route to Lee/Emancipation park by law enforcement. and then when the confrontation took place it was allowed to foment to the point they cancelled the whole gig and declared the equivalent of martial law.


“This has been going on for a long, long time,” he said, referring to the violent protests. “It has no place in America.” Trump thanked law enforcement for trying to restore peace to the city.

:rolleyes:

Anti Federalist
08-12-2017, 06:35 PM
“Above all, we must remember this truth, no matter our color, creed, religion or political party, we are all Americans first,” he said.

What's that even supposed to mean?

RonPaulMall
08-12-2017, 07:22 PM
:rolleyes:

In fairness, Trump was golfing all day and has no idea what happened. And still he had enough sense to resist denouncing us and made a point of calling out any violence on either side.

specsaregood
08-12-2017, 07:31 PM
In fairness, Trump was golfing all day and has no idea what happened. And still he had enough sense to resist denouncing us and made a point of calling out any violence on either side.

You keep saying "us" or "our side". Who is this "us"? Were you there or just a couch potato watching via youtube all the people on your side get attacked and run off?

angelatc
08-12-2017, 07:33 PM
In fairness, Trump was golfing all day and has no idea what happened. And still he had enough sense to resist denouncing us and made a point of calling out any violence on either side.

Us?

phill4paul
08-12-2017, 07:33 PM
:rolleyes:

No shit. 1k State troopers on overtime with body armor, National Guard on stand by, and the Charlotteville police department AND, because multi agencies are a big thing on a bust but rare in a skirmish, the Albemarle county sheriffs office.

They couldn't keep them separated?

:rolleyes:

phill4paul
08-12-2017, 07:35 PM
Us?

He's got a sock puppet in his pocket.

oyarde
08-12-2017, 07:36 PM
Historically the socialists and nationalists have worked together

Those days have come and gone , our socialists and communists are not nationalists but globalists .

phill4paul
08-12-2017, 07:41 PM
Those days have come and gone , our socialists and communists are not nationalists but globalists .

There's no denying that.

oyarde
08-12-2017, 07:43 PM
What's that even supposed to mean?

I hope it is code for CalExit , but probably not . If he really thinks all those people are really americans that is fairly naive . In fact if he pays attention he will find that half the country at least has no real interest in rustic american independence and individualism .

angelatc
08-12-2017, 07:50 PM
What's that even supposed to mean?

Settle down, ya'll.

bunklocoempire
08-12-2017, 08:09 PM
What's that even supposed to mean?

Out of the many individuals, a herd to be driven.

Pauls' Revere
08-12-2017, 08:41 PM
Anyone notice that the car used in The Dukes of Hazard was the General Lee a Dodge Charger and that this took place at a park that was named after General Lee and the car used was a Dodge Charger.

oyarde
08-12-2017, 08:49 PM
Anyone notice that the car used in The Dukes of Hazard was the General Lee a Dodge Charger and that this took place at a park that was named after General Lee and the car used was a Dodge Charger.

And he is charged with murder and from Maumee , Ohio . James Alex Fields JR according to the yahoo front page news.

enhanced_deficit
08-12-2017, 08:58 PM
Instead of uniting for common goal of nationalist security, there are too many episodes of internal divisions in recent years. Just few years ago US was spreading democratic freedom, racial equality values to other countries and now these are the scenes inside America.. what gives?


http://wjla.com/resources/media/d7443d65-8e53-4787-9dec-8b6300e3634f-d7443d658e5347879dec8b6300e3634frendition_2_AP1722 4614289942.jpg?1502572757524

https://everipedia-storage.s3.amazonaws.com/NewlinkFiles/16940320/e5b14___james-alex-fields-jr/picture-of-vehicle-running-over-protestersnbsp.jfif


If this car attack is confirmed, are ISIS terrorists tactics coming home now?


If this is not handeled well, things could get spiral out of control worse than race violence during last DGP's regime.







Un-related

ISIS Inspired By Times Square Crash, Warns of Vehicle Attacks on NYC Tourist HubISIS has claimed responsibility for a series of vehicle attacks in Europe in recent months, including in Nice, Berlin, London and Stockholm. A student who rammed his car into a group of people before charging at passerby with a knife at Ohio State University last November was also inspired by ISIS, authorities believe.

http://www.newsweek.com/isis-times-square-crash-attack-612484

phill4paul
08-12-2017, 09:04 PM
Instead of uniting for common goal of nationalist security, there are too many episodes of internal divisions in recent years. Just few years ago US was spreading democratic freedom, racial equality values to other country and now these are the scenes inside America.. what gives?

WTF are you on about?

RJB
08-12-2017, 09:05 PM
Anyone notice that the car used in The Dukes of Hazard was the General Lee a Dodge Charger and that this took place at a park that was named after General Lee and the car used was a Dodge Charger.

They use the Charger as police cars in my state.

oyarde
08-12-2017, 09:39 PM
They use the Charger as police cars in my state.

They use them here too , State and county .

goldenequity
08-12-2017, 10:39 PM
Driver Who Plowed Into People In Charlottesville Identified As James Fields, Reports Say (http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/12/driver-who-plowed-into-people-in-charlottesville-identified-as-james-fields-reports-say/)
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/12/driver-who-plowed-into-people-in-charlottesville-identified-as-james-fields-reports-say/

http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Dodge-Challenger-Charlottesville-Getty-Images-Win-McNamee.jpg

CHARLOTTESVILLE, VA — At least three people are dead and 19 are injured in the wake of violent protests that rocked Charlottesville, Va. Saturday.

A car plowed into a crowd in the early afternoon during clashes between white supremacists, Black Lives Matter, Antifa and other groups. Shortly before 5 p.m., a police helicopter went down in nearby Ivy, Va., killing two.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/12/at-least-one-dead-in-charlottesville-as-protests-continue/

About an hour after the gathering at the park dispersed, reports came in that a vehicle had plowed through a group of people in a busy section of downtown Charlottesville.

Later in the evening, police said that the driver was in custody, where he is likely to face vehicular homicide charges.

Police remained in a high state of alert into the evening.

ThePaleoLibertarian
08-12-2017, 10:54 PM
The alt-right continues to be the most idiotic, poorly run, self-sabotaging bunch of morons I've ever seen. Words cannot express how much my opinion of this "movement" has soured since the beginning of the year. My opinions on race and immigration are unchanged and I continue to move rightward, but the alt-right is a fucking dumpster fire that no thinking person should take seriously.

timosman
08-12-2017, 10:56 PM
The alt-right continues to be the most idiotic, poorly run, self-sabotaging bunch of morons I've ever seen. Words cannot express how much my opinion of this "movement" has soured since the beginning of the year. My opinions on race and immigration are unchanged and I continue to move rightward, but the alt-right is a fucking dumpster fire that no thinking person should take seriously.

Nobody should be taking them seriously. They are the fifth column. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_column

angelatc
08-12-2017, 10:59 PM
And he is charged with murder and from Maumee , Ohio . James Alex Fields JR according to the yahoo front page news.
Earlier a Hill report said the driver was being threatened and was attempting to flee but that story has vanished in a sea of "OmG they're nazis!"

A guy on Facebook went to great lengths to explain how the Alt Right was only marching to trigger AntiFa so it was the Alt Right's fault that AntiFa was freaking loony. And he believes that .

Here's a picture:

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20664739_1849879908674712_5829917970445722078_n.jp g?oh=5bb8046f3eb8a4e06c5d503835353d52&oe=5A33EF18

angelatc
08-12-2017, 11:13 PM
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phill4paul
08-12-2017, 11:14 PM
Earlier a Hill report said the driver was being threatened and was attempting to flee but that story has vanished in a sea of "OmG they're nazis!"

A guy on Facebook went to great lengths to explain how the Alt Right was only marching to trigger AntiFa so it was the Alt Right's fault that AntiFa was freaking loony. And he believes that .

Here's a picture:

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20664739_1849879908674712_5829917970445722078_n.jp g?oh=5bb8046f3eb8a4e06c5d503835353d52&oe=5A33EF18

What happened was that the State government was called in to ,well, govern local forces, and the state and local forces failed to keep the peace. Because they were ordered...not to.

Anti Federalist
08-13-2017, 12:41 AM
Good.

There is a fight coming.

There is dissolution coming.

Both have been sorely needed for decades now.

Origanalist
08-13-2017, 03:08 AM
Good.

There is a fight coming.

There is dissolution coming.

Both have been sorely needed for decades now.

Ok AF, I gotta weight in here. A fight between who? And to what end? I think maybe you're projecting hopes here that will not materialize in any way.

Who is leading this fight? To what end? Dissolution, or wider and more complete subjugation?

Does either side wish to "take over the world and leave you alone"?

timosman
08-13-2017, 03:16 AM
Good.

There is a fight coming.

There is dissolution coming.

Both have been sorely needed for decades now.

Rambling of a mad man.:cool:

KrokHead
08-13-2017, 06:27 AM
Delete

Anti Federalist
08-13-2017, 07:45 AM
Ok AF, I gotta weight in here. A fight between who? And to what end? I think maybe you're projecting hopes here that will not materialize in any way.

Who is leading this fight? To what end? Dissolution, or wider and more complete subjugation?

Does either side wish to "take over the world and leave you alone"?

No, neither side does.

The sheer size and population of this country makes it impossible for the tiny minority of us that wish to live in peace and freedom without being subject to the whims and fatwas of various ruling classes to achieve that through any legitimate means.

If the country were to break apart, through fighting, CalExit and whole host of other means, then perhaps "we" could manage to carve out a small territory of our own.

Risky? You bet it is. But seeing how the alternative is slow slavery, I'm willing to take that risk, and throw gasoline on every single fire like this I see.

And I'll be honest as well: I am happy to see that the people representing the same philosophy that prompted a man to attempt an assassination of Ron Paul's son, an assassination based wholly on political principles of "I want government to leave you alone", get a black eye.

Fuck them.

That whole incident got brushed under the rug, never to be heard about again.

This incident will be in the news cycle for weeks now.

Now, everybody's all upset that apparently the neo-nazis are the only ones willing to take to the streets and deliver the pushback that is so badly needed in response to that assassination attempt, and a thousand other calls for death and violence.

Whose fault is that, other than yours and mine?

tod evans
08-13-2017, 07:48 AM
Whose fault is that, other than yours and mine?

Blame me.:o

AuH20
08-13-2017, 08:26 AM
The alt-right continues to be the most idiotic, poorly run, self-sabotaging bunch of morons I've ever seen. Words cannot express how much my opinion of this "movement" has soured since the beginning of the year. My opinions on race and immigration are unchanged and I continue to move rightward, but the alt-right is a $#@!ing dumpster fire that no thinking person should take seriously.
Alt Right was originally meant to convey an unconventional non-Vichy Republican. But what you've seen is that Fed backed splinter groups have taken over the term. Trying to define the Alt Right is like trying to define the metal genre. There are tens of different sub-classifications.

acptulsa
08-13-2017, 08:30 AM
Alt Right was originally meant to convey an unconventional non-Vichy Republican. But what you've seen is that Fed backed splinter groups have taken over the term. Trying to define the Alt Right is like trying to define the metal genre. There are tens of different sub-classifications.

Now you know how we felt when you bastards invaded us on their impetus and tried to take over the term 'libertarian'.

Cry us a river. 'Waaah! They did to us what they talked us into doing to you! Waaaah!' Formerly useful fucking idiots.

Madison320
08-13-2017, 08:31 AM
The media is going to have fun with this:

Washington Post

"Trump lit the torches of white supremacy in Charlottesville. We must extinguish them."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trump-lit-the-torches-of-white-supremacy-in-charlottesville-we-must-extinguish-them/2017/08/13/6cb02b94-8014-11e7-902a-2a9f2d808496_story.html?utm_term=.a28ef0eafe44

acptulsa
08-13-2017, 08:35 AM
The media is going to have fun with this:

'going to'?

You aren't watching the Sunday morning blather shows. They're running with this like they've been planning this for days.

Fox couldn't even be bothered to point out that no reasonable person can say Antifa's $#!+ doesn't stink, either. Bleats the Press allowed a guy to say that, but as soon as he did they cut to commercial and dropped the subject.

Schifference
08-13-2017, 08:42 AM
A female reporter for the Hill was allegedly punched by an “Antifa” protester in the wake of a deadly car attack in Charlottesville, Virginia Saturday as she tried to film the ensuing chaos.
Taylor Lorenz was filming the site of the incident that left at least one person dead — after a car was driven into a crowd of “anti-fascist” protesters responding to a parallel white nationalist protest in the city. The suspect was identified by police late Saturday as 20-year-old James Alex Fields Jr.

According to video given to DailyMail.com by Lorenz (who is a former reporter for the outlet), a nearby shirtless protester objects to her filming the resulting pandemonium and is heard asking her to stop filming. When she refuses to put her camera away, he appears to punch her and yells “stop fucking recording.” Lorenz can be heard yelling as her phone hits the ground, and others intervene.

She said on Twitter that she was fine apart from being “really fucking pissed,” and said she was attempting to file charges against the man who punched her.

Link http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/12/female-reporter-for-the-hill-allegedly-punched-by-antifa-protester-in-charlottesville/

From the comments:
-A group of despicable people held a peaceful parade to protest the removal of confederate statues
-A second group of despicable people attacked them, causing a riot
-the second group was hailed as heroes, the first as the perpetrators by every loudmouth on the left, and many camera-starved politicians on the right (like Rubio, of course)
-The president was condemned for not calling it a domestic terrorist act by white supremacists (by Rubio, of course)

People around the country are looking at this with mouths agape, remembering that other despicable people spewing racism over the past three years in non-peaceful protests who were NOT attacked but rioted anyway were praised as heroes, not condemned as "domestic terrorist black supremacists." (by people like Rubio, of course)

Schifference
08-13-2017, 09:14 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn5f5qyf7io

Raginfridus
08-13-2017, 09:20 AM
Who is leading this fight? To what end? Dissolution, or wider and more complete subjugation?I haven't looked into the who's who of the natsoc/antifa orgs, but marginal false flag violence is typically blown out of proportion, in order to justify wider, more complete subjugation, where ever the middle have become pathetic. The trouble for our social engineers becomes how to control a startled, dispersed population of sheeple. I think the DOD's interstate system and intelligence communities' interlocking liaison with social and other media, Big Pharma, the Universities, Bankers, etc. etc. provide redundant levels of control, but they'll certainly need SWAT, DEA, ICE, FBI, etc. to subdue the unruly, "cognitively dissonant" types. If the middle come to believe they've been subdued by violence - I think the chances of the middle becoming "self-aware" except by violent oppression are slim to none - then dissolution of the state could be real.

acptulsa
08-13-2017, 09:32 AM
...to subdue the unruly, "cognitively dissonant" types.

That's an impressive jumble of buzzwords, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. For example, those who have their heads comfortably buried in their cognitive dissonance are not the unruly ones.

euphemia
08-13-2017, 09:36 AM
There was only one organized group that had permit to be there. If we squelch discourse and discussion, even when the ideas put forth are reprehensible, we squelch liberty.

Any violence has to be owned by the counter protest.

What if they held a demonstration and nobody came? Well, it happened in Pulaski, Tennessee in 1989. Pulaski is the birthplace of the KKK, and it is part of their annual tradition to march through the tiny town square. In 1989, the regular citizens of Pulaski were up to here with it. On the Saturday of the demonstration, business owners on the square closed their businesses and everyone stayed home. That was the counter protest, if you will.

In my opinion, the media stirs the pot. By giving attention and putting these people on camera, they encourage outrageous behavior. If people would just stay home and leave people to their opinions it serves the cause of liberty very well.

Schifference
08-13-2017, 09:36 AM
That's an impressive jumble of buzzwords, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. For example, those who have their heads comfortably buried in their cognitive dissonance are not the unruly ones.

I think you need to be a metaphorical linguist to interpret Raginfridus posts.

acptulsa
08-13-2017, 09:43 AM
In my opinion, the media stirs the pot. By giving attention and putting these people on camera, they encourage outrageous behavior. If people would just stay home and leave people to their opinions it serves the cause of liberty very well.

The Powers that Be did a damned sight more than stir the pot. They lit the stove and put the pot on it. They put Antifa right in the path of the protestors. They turned a blind eye while Antifa threw the first punch. They didn't correct and discredit the misinformation the press is spewing that makes it sound as if Antifa didn't throw the first punch--even Trump is ignoring and covering up that pertinent fact. He's taking constant heat for even suggesting that it took two to tango, so I don't know what he has to lose by naming the name of the miscreants who did start it. But he isn't doing it.

For all we know, they shipped Antifa in and provided them with whatever they were using as tear gas bombs. I know I could never carry a tear gas bomb on a commercial flight.


I think you need to be a metaphorical linguist to interpret Raginfridus posts.

I am a metaphorical linguist, and I'm happy to help. He said, 'I hope you're impressed by my meaningless buzzword bomb!'

r3volution 3.0
08-13-2017, 09:54 AM
The alt-right continues to be the most idiotic, poorly run, self-sabotaging bunch of morons I've ever seen. Words cannot express how much my opinion of this "movement" has soured since the beginning of the year. My opinions on race and immigration are unchanged and I continue to move rightward, but the alt-right is a fucking dumpster fire that no thinking person should take seriously.

I hate to say I told you so, but...

acptulsa
08-13-2017, 09:57 AM
I hate to say...

Do you really? 'Cause it isn't bothering me at all!

specsaregood
08-13-2017, 10:07 AM
The only thing that can be learned by the "right" in this is if you planning on going somewhere that the "left" might protest and attack you, come prepared to fight back and don't let the law get in your way. Next time bring gas masks, knives, guns, swords whatever. Because clearly the police have no interest in keeping the peace or protecting the people being attacked.

Raginfridus
08-13-2017, 10:08 AM
That's an impressive jumble of buzzwords, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. For example, those who have their heads comfortably buried in their cognitive dissonance are not the unruly ones.That's why its in quotes right after the word unruly, because its become a label for immediately shutting down anybody with marginal opinions. Is there an old boys club I need to pay my dues, before I'm given the chance to explain myself?

acptulsa
08-13-2017, 10:12 AM
The only thing that can be learned by the "right" in this is if you planning on going somewhere that the "left" might protest and attack you, come prepared to fight back and don't let the law get in your way. Next time bring gas masks, knives, guns, swords whatever. Because clearly the police have no interest in keeping the peace or protecting the people being attacked.

Dude from Ohio brought a Dodge Challenger. He's up for second degree murder, and waiting for the Feds to decide if he's a terrorist.


Is there an old boys club I need to pay my dues, before I'm given the chance to explain myself?

Hell, son, you could have made your point clear before you ever clicked 'Post Quick Reply'! Nobody was stopping you.

euphemia
08-13-2017, 10:13 AM
I just feel like we need to be on the side of free speech and right to peaceful assembly. There was only one group with a permit (and I'm not in favor of government giving permission for things clearly spelled out in the Constitution) to be there, and it wasn't the counter group.

acptulsa
08-13-2017, 10:22 AM
I just feel like we need to be on the side of free speech and right to peaceful assembly. There was only one group with a permit (and I'm not in favor of government giving permission for things clearly spelled out in the Constitution) to be there, and it wasn't the counter group.

I've been waiting all morning to hear one of the talking heads on the mainstream media say, 'I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.' I've been disappointed so far. Not surprised, but disappointed nonetheless.

One thing's for certain--we'll never hear that bastion of The Intolerance Arm Of the Tolerant--Antifa-- say anything of the sort.

specsaregood
08-13-2017, 10:23 AM
Dude from Ohio brought a Dodge Challenger. He's up for second degree murder, and waiting for the Feds to decide if he's a terrorist.

Yeah, not the route I would have suggested. But the lesson still stands. If you are going to go out there, the law and media is against you despite any "permits" or being peaceful. You will get beaten and run off unless you fight fire with fire. It is up to them to decide if it is worth it.

timosman
08-13-2017, 10:27 AM
That's why its in quotes right after the word unruly, because its become a label for immediately shutting down anybody with marginal opinions. Is there an old boys club I need to pay my dues, before I'm given the chance to explain myself?

A victim card? Well played sir, well played.:cool:

juleswin
08-13-2017, 10:27 AM
Now you know how we felt when you bastards invaded us on their impetus and tried to take over the term 'libertarian'.

Cry us a river. 'Waaah! They did to us what they talked us into doing to you! Waaaah!' Formerly useful $#@!ing idiots.

Please don't indulge him in his fantasies of once well behaving alt right, the Fed didn't take over anything, they have been acting this way since the movement went from thinktank to the streets. The same Richard Spencer who most people consider the intellectual founder is still leading the movement. He would have said something the way Ron Paul spoke out after the teocons took over the tea party if the feds really took over the alt right.

They did not say anything, if anything, Richard Spencer himself has been the top of the list of bad behaving alt right leaders. It is one thing to argue that the feds started the alt right but please don't tell me they took over anything cos I am not buying it.

Raginfridus
08-13-2017, 10:43 AM
Hell, son, you could have made your point clear before you ever clicked 'Post Quick Reply'! Nobody was stopping you.Bullshit, you don't need to force me from posting, you only need to heckle from your glorified perch, when my posts don't pass under the bar of certitude, for whatever reason you choose. Instead of knee-jerk accusations, you're free to ask me what I mean if you think I'm deliberately being obtuse, but sense you need to appear all-knowing and dominant, you'd rather choose to believe I'm stupid or showing off. Son.

timosman
08-13-2017, 10:47 AM
Bullshit, you don't need to force me from posting, you only need to heckle from your glorified perch, when my posts don't pass under the bar of certitude, for whatever reason you choose. Instead of knee-jerk accusations, you're free to ask me what I mean if you think I'm deliberately being obtuse, but sense you need to appear all-knowing and dominant, you'd rather choose to believe I'm stupid or showing off. Son.

Can someone check why this bot is spewing nonsense? The new algo was supposed to make things better but somehow we ended up with crap like that.

acptulsa
08-13-2017, 10:54 AM
This is the second thread on this topic he has tried to make all about him. I haven't decided yet if he's trying to derail discussions on this particular event, or just attention whoring.

Raginfridus
08-13-2017, 10:56 AM
A victim card? Well played sir, well played.:cool:Jesus, never mind the three good ol boys making up the bulk of active users' posts, who can't stoop to ask the new kid what he meant, by only a handful of sentences out of the mere 70 posts he's made, another thinks he smells blood and takes a passing swipe. Well played big man.

timosman
08-13-2017, 11:03 AM
Jesus, never mind the three good ol boys making up the bulk of active users' posts, who can't stoop to ask the new kid what he meant, by only a handful of sentences out of the mere 70 posts he's made, another thinks he smells blood and takes a passing swipe. Well played big man.

http://johnparkerlive.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/The-lady-protests-too-much.jpg

Schifference
08-13-2017, 11:10 AM
Jesus, never mind the three good ol boys making up the bulk of active users' posts, who can't stoop to ask the new kid what he meant, by only a handful of sentences out of the mere 70 posts he's made, another thinks he smells blood and takes a passing swipe. Well played big man.

If you wrote so people understood, there would be no need for you to explain.

acptulsa
08-13-2017, 11:17 AM
Yeah, not the route I would have suggested. But the lesson still stands. If you are going to go out there, the law and media is against you despite any "permits" or being peaceful. You will get beaten and run off unless you fight fire with fire. It is up to them to decide if it is worth it.

Yeah, but with the nature of the Propaganda Machine, it seldom helps the cause. If the Ohioan had left his Dodge in the garage and hopped a Greyhound, the media would have had a much harder time making the people who started all the violence yesterday look like the victims.

Schifference
08-13-2017, 11:18 AM
Yeah, but with the nature of the Propaganda Machine, it seldom helps the cause. If the Ohioan had left his Dodge in the garage and hopped a Greyhound, the media would have had a much harder time making the people who started all the violence yesterday look like the victims.

Driving that car didn't look like a coordinated group effort.

acptulsa
08-13-2017, 11:22 AM
Driving that car didn't look like a coordinated group effort.

It certainly was not. But I didn't see any hesitation on the part if any if the networks this morning--least of all 'fair and balanced' Fox--to lump the guy in with the rest of the alt righties.

H. E. Panqui
08-13-2017, 11:24 AM
Now you know how we felt when you bastards invaded us on their impetus and tried to take over the term 'libertarian'.

Cry us a river. 'Waaah! They did to us what they talked us into doing to you! Waaaah!' Formerly useful $#@!ing idiots.

...love it...a line-drive home run!

specsaregood
08-13-2017, 11:25 AM
Yeah, but with the nature of the Propaganda Machine, it seldom helps the cause. If the Ohioan had left his Dodge in the garage and hopped a Greyhound, the media would have had a much harder time making the people who started all the violence yesterday look like the victims.

I don't think it would have made a bit of difference.

nikcers
08-13-2017, 11:26 AM
It certainly was not. But I didn't see any hesitation on the part if any if the networks this morning--least of all 'fair and balanced' Fox--to lump the guy in with the rest of the alt righties.
That's because they want to inspire more political activism of this nature. This is what I call activism theater, so they can crack down on their targets.

Schifference
08-13-2017, 11:30 AM
Soon the people will be begging the Federal Government to limit speech so these types of things don't happen.

angelatc
08-13-2017, 11:46 AM
Good.

There is a fight coming.

There is dissolution coming.

Both have been sorely needed for decades now.

Yeah. And while I don't consider myself a part of either of these movements I have already chosen a side.

acptulsa
08-13-2017, 11:53 AM
Yeah. And while I don't consider myself a part of either of these movements I have already chosen a side.

Well, I generally err on the side of fighting for someone's right to say something. But if war really is coming between Stormfront and Antifa, I'm less likely to pick a side and more likely to pick a sideline.

Educating people on how a libertarian society could have (and used to) allow these freaks peaceful coexistence would be a useful thing to sell in the grandstands.

'Peaceful coexistence! Get your peace and prosperity heah! Got Cracker Jacks too!'

tod evans
08-13-2017, 11:59 AM
Well, I generally err on the side of fighting for someone's right to say something. But if war really is coming between Storm front and Antifa, I'm less likely to pick a side and more likely to pick a sideline.

Educating people on how a libertarian society could have (and used to) allow these freaks peaceful coexistence would be a useful thing to sell in the grandstands.

'Peaceful coexistence! Get your peace and prosperity heah! Got Cracker Jacks too!'

If you're not in a city there's nothing to concern yourself over except the legislative/legal outcome...

Socially and physically the country people will notice no difference in their day to day lives except for what the plastic box spews...

acptulsa
08-13-2017, 12:14 PM
That's because they want to inspire more political activism of this nature. This is what I call activism theater, so they can crack down on their targets.

Well, I think specs has a good point when he says come prepared to fight and don't let the law get in your way. But MLK also had a point--winning the physical fight often loses you the hearts and minds you're after.

Just a little civil disobedience might have been just the ticket. Like deviating from the route the cops tell you to take through the gauntlet and entering the park through an Antifa-free gate--or several of them. You lose the parade, but get to your destination in one piece.

nikcers
08-13-2017, 12:21 PM
Well, I think specs has a good point when he says come prepared to fight and don't let the law get in your way..
By all means arm yourselves, not just physically but mentally. Mob mentality brings out the worst in everybody though, especially when people are all hot and hungry and bothered.

Madison320
08-13-2017, 12:21 PM
'going to'?

You aren't watching the Sunday morning blather shows. They're running with this like they've been planning this for days.

Fox couldn't even be bothered to point out that no reasonable person can say Antifa's $#@! doesn't stink, either. Bleats the Press allowed a guy to say that, but as soon as he did they cut to commercial and dropped the subject

They've been waiting for a guy like this for years. I remember they thought George Zimmerman was the guy, then he turned out to be part latino.

tod evans
08-13-2017, 12:23 PM
Heather Heyer, Charlottesville victim, 32, was Virginia paralegal

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/13/heather-heyer-charlottesville-victim-32-was-virginia-paralegal-report.html

The woman who died during weekend protests in Charlottesville, Va., has been identified as Heather Heyer, a paralegal.

A Dodge Challenger rammed into a group of protesters as tension boiled over at a white supremacist rally on Saturday. Heyer, 32, was killed as she crossed the street.

Heyer was taken to UVA Hospital, where she was declared dead, according to a press release from the city of Charlottesville.

She “was struck down by a vehicle while exercising her peaceful First Amendment right to speech,” a statement said. “This senseless act of violence rips a hole in our collective hearts.”

White nationalists descended on the city to “take America back” by rallying against plans to remove a statue of Confederate general Robert E. Lee.

Hundreds came to protest against the racism. The New York Daily News reported that it was not clear whether Heyer was with the demonstrators counter-protesting.

Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe tweeted that Heyer “died standing up against hate & bigotry.”

Heyer’s cover photo on Facebook from Nov. 19, 2016, says, “If you’re not outraged, you’re not paying attention.”

Heyer was a paralegal with the Miller Law Group, according to the newspaper.

“For over four years Heather has played an essential role in our bankruptcy department and office as a whole,” the law group says online. It says that Heyer was from Ruckersville, Va., but living in Charlottesville.


“She died doing what was right. My heart is broken, but I am forever proud of her,” Felicia Correa, Heyer’s childhood pal who spoke on behalf of the victim’s mother, told the Daily News.

Heyer graduated from William Monroe High School in Stanardsville, Va., in 2003, USA Today reported.


“She always stands up for what she believes in and we had spoken about mixed race couples and families,” her friend Lauren Moon told the news outlet.

The driver, James Alex Fields Jr., a 20-year-old who recently moved to Ohio from where he grew up in Kentucky, was charged with second-degree murder and other counts.

Dr.3D
08-13-2017, 12:37 PM
Is Antifa just another name for the Black Lives Matter group?

The reason I ask is because I saw mostly, shop printed, "Black Lives Matter" signs in that group.

acptulsa
08-13-2017, 12:56 PM
Not officially related, but I'm sure, shall we say, the membership overlaps. The power and money behind them undoubtedly does, too.

enhanced_deficit
08-13-2017, 12:59 PM
The alt-right continues to be the most idiotic, poorly run, self-sabotaging bunch of morons I've ever seen. Words cannot express how much my opinion of this "movement" has soured since the beginning of the year.



The media is going to have fun with this:

Washington Post

"Trump lit the torches of white supremacy in Charlottesville. We must extinguish them."


EM.

Not sure what exactly constitutes "alt right" as referred to in MSM headlines but would agree with above criticism if applied to the subset of "Right" (or "Left" or "Middle" for that matter) that champions collectivist,racist instigation of violence.

That said, recet history shows that violent, racist alt-Neocons supported by likesof WaPo have caused much more damage to humanity than current isolationst nationalist groups being labelled by them as "alt-Right" ever could. Racially motivated horrible revenge attack on people of Iraq, bloody spreading of freedom/racial equality values in Syria were just couple of the many recent examples of how deeply racist, collectivist WaPo supported political slave masters of likes of DGP have been in practice. They got no moral authority to be judge of racially motivated violence.

2003: Washington Post ran 27 editorials in favor of Iraq invasion (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?458793-2003-Washington-Post-ran-27-editorials-in-favor-of-Iraq-invasion&)

acptulsa
08-13-2017, 01:10 PM
They got no moral authority to be judge of racially motivated violence.

They've got no right to identify libertarians, either. And they certainly have no right to rank us, especially since we're loathe to rank ourselves. But seems like I heard all about that GOP clown Augustus Invictus being the 'highest-ranking libertarian' in some damned place yesterday.

Clearly they ask not what their rights are. They only ask what their job is.

enhanced_deficit
08-13-2017, 01:20 PM
They've got no right to identify libertarians, either.

Lately they have been too disgraced, exposed as fakenews but it was only few years ago in 2007-08 when WaPo/NYT neocons were trying to defame libertarian anti-war groups as supporters of Nazis.




Un-related

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/screen-shot-2017-08-13-at-5-04-30-am.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&w=466&strip=all

tod evans
08-13-2017, 01:25 PM
Here's some folks who were there, they sound quite sane....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McKfSoya2zM


[edit]

12 min in, copsuckin' going on...:mad:

[edit again]

In spite of the Hoo-Rah bullshit these guys seem to have their hearts in the right place...

angelatc
08-13-2017, 01:26 PM
“She always stands up for what she believes in and we had spoken about mixed race couples and families,” her friend Lauren Moon told the news outlet.

IS this circa 1972?

Anti Federalist
08-13-2017, 01:29 PM
The only thing that can be learned by the "right" in this is if you planning on going somewhere that the "left" might protest and attack you, come prepared to fight back and don't let the law get in your way. Next time bring gas masks, knives, guns, swords whatever. Because clearly the police have no interest in keeping the peace or protecting the people being attacked.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to specsaregood again.

phill4paul
08-13-2017, 01:35 PM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to specsaregood again.

I noticed no one attacked the militia groups that went armed.

specsaregood
08-13-2017, 01:36 PM
I noticed no one attacked the militia groups that went armed.

yup and the brief bit I saw had them protecting people that were getting medical treatment after being attacked.

euphemia
08-13-2017, 01:43 PM
The alt-right are definitely not libertarians. Libertarians believe that all people are equal under the law, as the Constitution says. Individuals may certainly discriminate, but they do so to their own seclusion, not the seclusion of others.

Given the circumstance, they may hold whatever demonstrations they choose, but in the current climate should consider renting space and limiting admittance. That's the only way to limit the audience.

phill4paul
08-13-2017, 01:49 PM
yup and the brief bit I saw had them protecting people that were getting medical treatment after being attacked.

I think he is exaggerating here, but isn't it simply amazing that there were so many weapons there yet NO shots were fired....


Governor McAuliffe, in an impromptu interview before addressing two church congregations on Sunday morning, said the police estimated that 80 percent of those at the white nationalists’ rally and counterprotests — including members of self-styled militias in camouflage gear — were armed, “yet not a shot was fired.”


Governor McAuliffe also defended the police response, saying, “It’s easy to criticize, but I can tell you this, 80 percent of the people here had semiautomatic weapons.

“You saw the militia walking down the street, you would have thought they were an army,” he added. “I was just talking to the State Police upstairs; they had better equipment than our State Police had,” he said, referring to the militia members. “And yet not a shot was fired, zero property damage.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/charlottesville-protests-white-nationalists.html

acptulsa
08-13-2017, 02:02 PM
I think he is exaggerating here, but isn't it simply amazing that there were so many weapons there yet NO shots were fired....


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/13/us/charlottesville-protests-white-nationalists.html

Even more amazing that this part of his public announcement landed on the cutting room floor of every broadcast news network.

phill4paul
08-13-2017, 02:05 PM
Even more amazing that this part of his public announcement landed on the cutting room floor of every broadcast news network.

Ain't it the truth. News like this would definitely spoil gun grabbers narrative.

TheCount
08-13-2017, 02:17 PM
IS this circa 1972?
Look around alt-right blogs and you'll find that that some of them have strong feelings about mixed race relationships. "White genocide" and all that.

specsaregood
08-13-2017, 02:38 PM
Look around alt-right blogs and you'll find that that some of them have strong feelings about mixed race relationships. "White genocide" and all that.

look around the left blogs and twitter and you'll find some of them have strong feelings about breeding away the white race. there are assholes everywhere.

enhanced_deficit
08-13-2017, 02:39 PM
Height of hypocrisy and political opportunism... SWC Hillary and disgraced dronegangsta (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?502216-Erection-2008-Video-Surfaces-Of-Obama-Flaunting-His-Junk-to-Reporters-on-Campaign-Plane&p=6451014&viewfull=1#post6451014) are calling for "introspection":


Obama, Clinton call for introspection in wake of Charlottesville clashes (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/13/obama-charlottesville-gore-clinton-241578)
Politico 8h ago

Swordsmyth
08-13-2017, 02:46 PM
Height of hypocrisy and political opportunism... SWC Hillary and disgraced dronegangsta (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?502216-Erection-2008-Video-Surfaces-Of-Obama-Flaunting-His-Junk-to-Reporters-on-Campaign-Plane&p=6451014&viewfull=1#post6451014) are calling for "introspection":


Obama, Clinton call for introspection in wake of Charlottesville clashes (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/13/obama-charlottesville-gore-clinton-241578)
Politico 8h ago

The left could do with some introspection.

acptulsa
08-13-2017, 02:48 PM
"introspection":

Of course they're going to engage in introspection. How can they figure out how best to capitalize on the martyrdom of that poor, unfortunate victim of police incompetence and deliberate malfeasance if they don't introspect upon it?

Original_Intent
08-13-2017, 02:52 PM
What's that even supposed to mean?

Hmm I think he is saying the fake lines you are living within is the most important thing. Much more important than your beliefs about God, or your family ties, etc.

Maybe he was demagogue-ing?

Danke
08-13-2017, 03:40 PM
A victim card? Well played sir, well played.:cool:
look around the left blogs and twitter and you'll find some of them have strong feelings about breeding away the white race. there are assholes everywhere.


Here's a flyer that was being handed out and thrown around at the ANTIFA riot in Charlottesville.


http://goldismoney2.com/attachments/antifa-jpg.92624/

TheCount
08-13-2017, 04:08 PM
Here's a flyer that was being handed out and thrown around at the ANTIFA riot in Charlottesville.


http://goldismoney2.com/attachments/antifa-jpg.92624/


Seems legit.

Matt Collins
08-13-2017, 04:11 PM
The Mayor of the town was trying to provoke the protesters in his effort to undermine Trump.

He blocked off their access to the protesting site and had the LEOs push them into the anti-protester crowd almost certainly ensuring violence.

Both groups are idiots, but again, this even was a political setup.

merkelstan
08-13-2017, 04:11 PM
"ACLU confirms that police were given stand-down order. This invited the violence the city used to shut down a court-permitted protest." https://t.co/FQUhcYaIIm (https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FFQUhcYaIIm%3Arv1EUWYf EUWEYLJoGgCB7XwBtfU&cuid=1838505)
— Robert Barnes (@Barnes_Law) August 12, 2017
Don Gathers, deacon at First Baptist Church in Charlottesville, says the police response was "reprehensible" and an "embarrassment."


Driver appears to have been attacked by mob with baseball bats before hitting the gas.


http://www.departmentofmeme... (http://disq.us/url?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.departmentofmemes.com%2Fa rticle%2Fprotesters-attacked-charlottesville-drivers-car-baseball-bat%2F%3Ay9nfPn7h2RO96key_vJYm-uEk1Q&cuid=1838505)


2nd Video: https://www.youtube.com/wat...

(https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv% 3D9mnywjPPDtU%3A-hBN9Nez2DDFOwXGjkiNExjKOxA&cuid=1838505)

NO police anywhere...

Swordsmyth
08-13-2017, 04:11 PM
Seems legit.
Actually it does.

TheCount
08-13-2017, 04:29 PM
Actually it does.
To you? I have no doubt.

angelatc
08-13-2017, 04:33 PM
Well, I generally err on the side of fighting for someone's right to say something. But if war really is coming between Stormfront and Antifa, I'm less likely to pick a side and more likely to pick a sideline.

That's exactly what they've done here.

phill4paul
08-13-2017, 04:36 PM
"ACLU confirms that police were given stand-down order. This invited the violence the city used to shut down a court-permitted protest." https://t.co/FQUhcYaIIm (https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FFQUhcYaIIm%3Arv1EUWYf EUWEYLJoGgCB7XwBtfU&cuid=1838505)
— Robert Barnes (@Barnes_Law) August 12, 2017
Don Gathers, deacon at First Baptist Church in Charlottesville, says the police response was "reprehensible" and an "embarrassment."


Driver appears to have been attacked by mob with baseball bats before hitting the gas.


http://www.departmentofmeme... (http://disq.us/url?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.departmentofmemes.com%2Fa rticle%2Fprotesters-attacked-charlottesville-drivers-car-baseball-bat%2F%3Ay9nfPn7h2RO96key_vJYm-uEk1Q&cuid=1838505)


2nd Video: https://www.youtube.com/wat...

(https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv% 3D9mnywjPPDtU%3A-hBN9Nez2DDFOwXGjkiNExjKOxA&cuid=1838505)

NO police anywhere...

Sure looks like he only takes off after his car is hit with a bat to me.

tod evans
08-13-2017, 04:40 PM
Sure looks like he only takes off after his car is hit with a bat to me.

They've already laid the groundwork for a hate-crime conviction..

I'll bet a cyber nickle that they don't back down.

John F Kennedy III
08-13-2017, 04:44 PM
https://i.imgflip.com/1u1j6z.jpg (https://imgflip.com/i/1u1j6z)

mrsat_98
08-13-2017, 04:44 PM
http://https://charlotte.craigslist.org/tfr/d/actors-and-photographers/6253305119.html

acptulsa
08-13-2017, 04:57 PM
http://https://charlotte.craigslist.org/tfr/d/actors-and-photographers/6253305119.html

Link could do with a bit of cleaning up...

https://charlotte.craigslist.org/tfr/d/actors-and-photographers/6253305119.html

If that really was for yesterday's intramurals, you'd think it'd be down by now.

You'd also think it would be on the Charlotteville, VA Craigslist, not the Charlotte, NC site.

angelatc
08-13-2017, 05:04 PM
Look around alt-right blogs and you'll find that that some of them have strong feelings about mixed race relationships. "White genocide" and all that.

Not buying it. Not that the white supremacists don't hate mixed marriages, but that her friend and she discussed them in the context that was implied.

"We talked about mixed marriages, and Ah am sure she approved of them!"

acptulsa
08-13-2017, 05:09 PM
Not buying it. Not that the white supremacists don't hate mixed marriages, but that her friend and she discussed them in the context that was implied.

"We talked about mixed marriages, and Ah am sure she approved of them!"

Yeah, that's--different. And that was literally the only indication I saw that she was on one side or the other. But you're right--who but a stormfronter even talks specifically about mixed marriages?

They sure made it smell like she was one of the stormfronters, but they'd rather have a liberal martyr.

They're headlining more violence today, but only talking about yesterday. Does anyone know what happened today? Spitballs at twenty paces?

TheCount
08-13-2017, 06:44 PM
Not buying it. Not that the white supremacists don't hate mixed marriages, but that her friend and she discussed them in the context that was implied.

"We talked about mixed marriages, and Ah am sure she approved of them!"
Oh, I misunderstood. I thought that you were all "is this 1972" that people would be against it.

Dark_Horse_Rider
08-13-2017, 08:00 PM
The left could do with some introspection.

Who's saying this didn't happen to draw attention away from Awan-Wassrman-Rich fiascos ?

Swordsmyth
08-13-2017, 08:04 PM
Who's saying this didn't happen to draw attention away from Awan-Wassrman-Rich fiascos ?
Not me, I only said that since they are insane the left should do some long and hard introspection, unfortunately I doubt they will or that they would come to the right conclusions if they did.

Dark_Horse_Rider
08-13-2017, 08:05 PM
my apology. . . misread your post

angelatc
08-13-2017, 08:23 PM
Sure looks like he only takes off after his car is hit with a bat to me.

But isn't that after he plowed into them?

I'll tell you who's lucky - that's the guy who didn't get crushed between the two cars.

phill4paul
08-13-2017, 08:51 PM
But isn't that after he plowed into them?

I'll tell you who's lucky - that's the guy who didn't get crushed between the two cars.

In this video, http://www.departmentofmemes.com/article/protesters-attacked-charlottesville-drivers-car-baseball-bat/, it seems someone hits the driverside/rear with a flag pole before he takes of into the crowd.

angelatc
08-13-2017, 10:19 PM
In this video, http://www.departmentofmemes.com/article/protesters-attacked-charlottesville-drivers-car-baseball-bat/, it seems someone hits the driverside/rear with a flag pole before he takes of into the crowd.

OK - early reports mentioned that but those vanished into the outragededness-osphere. All we can do is let the courts hash it out.

Can you imagine the riots if he walks?

Swordsmyth
08-13-2017, 10:21 PM
OK - early reports mentioned that but those vanished into the outragededness-osphere. All we can do is let the courts hash it out.

Can you imagine the riots if he walks?
If he walks he will have to go into hiding.

angelatc
08-13-2017, 10:24 PM
If he walks he will have to go into hiding.

They'll burn the city down.

Anti Federalist
08-14-2017, 02:24 AM
OK - early reports mentioned that but those vanished into the outragededness-osphere. All we can do is let the courts hash it out.

Can you imagine the riots if he walks?

That made me chuckle.

Yah, well, let 'em.

Schifference
08-14-2017, 04:27 AM
The media sure is crucifying him. Went to sleep last night to some new Fox News program at midnight. They were calling him a terrorist and upset that Trump did not call him what he is a racial terrorist.

Wouldn't it be something if Trump calls out the news for finding the guy guilty, complaining that he hasn't called him a terrorist, and explaining that he has seen the video of the car taking off only after being hit with a bat. Then making a statement that he will reserve judgement until all the facts come out.

merkelstan
08-14-2017, 04:29 AM
https://abload.de/img/vicemayorwesbellamynludv.jpg

jmdrake
08-14-2017, 05:43 AM
https://abload.de/img/vicemayorwesbellamynludv.jpg

Nice backpack! Seriously anyone who has a negative gut reaction to the black panthers probably doesn't understand the history of the black panthers. Of course that looks more like the cartoon character to me.

http://cdn2-www.comingsoon.net/assets/uploads/2015/12/captainewheader.jpg

Then again, a vice mayor walking around in a t-shirt and an "Iron Man" backpack might raise eyebrows too as that seems more collegiate than professional. But I don't know the context of the photo.

jmdrake
08-14-2017, 05:49 AM
In this video, http://www.departmentofmemes.com/article/protesters-attacked-charlottesville-drivers-car-baseball-bat/, it seems someone hits the driverside/rear with a flag pole before he takes of into the crowd.

Thanks for the video. I got the opposite impression from it. The crowd is ahead of him. Behind him the sidewalk is sparsely populated. It's not until he is right on the freaking crowd until someone attacks him. Well duh! Why are you driving your car directly into a crowd of people in the first place? That said, anything is possible.

Edit: Okay. I see the argument being made. I guess this guy thought the crowd was going to part and let him go through and when it didn't he decided he didn't want to be Reginald Denny? Oh, and he's active duty military. This probably explains why he was charged with 2nd degree murder and not first degree. I heard on Fox News last night that they were claiming there were "white supremacists" along the road telling him which way to turn and urging him on. That seems to be bullsh*t.

phill4paul
08-14-2017, 06:28 AM
Thanks for the video. I got the opposite impression from it. The crowd is ahead of him. Behind him the sidewalk is sparsely populated. It's not until he is right on the freaking crowd until someone attacks him. Well duh! Why are you driving your car directly into a crowd of people in the first place? That said, anything is possible.

Edit: Okay. I see the argument being made. I guess this guy thought the crowd was going to part and let him go through and when it didn't he decided he didn't want to be Reginald Denny? Oh, and he's active duty military. This probably explains why he was charged with 2nd degree murder and not first degree. I heard on Fox News last night that they were claiming there were "white supremacists" along the road telling him which way to turn and urging him on. That seems to be bullsh*t.

He's not active duty from what I understand he only served two months. I think he was medically discharged because of some meds he had to take. Again this is just something I read in passing.

jmdrake
08-14-2017, 06:47 AM
He's not active duty from what I understand he only served two months. I think he was medically discharged because of some meds he had to take. Again this is just something I read in passing.

Pysch meds? If so he's walking.

phill4paul
08-14-2017, 06:58 AM
Pysch meds? If so he's walking.

Yeah, psych meds. Again this was just something I read in passing. Can't remember where.

merkelstan
08-14-2017, 07:11 AM
Nice backpack! Seriously anyone who has a negative gut reaction to the black panthers probably doesn't understand the history of the black panthers.

Let's see, the FBI page on them got SCRUBBED....

But from the bit i can see cached, they are a racist group that organized violence. Hmm maybe like the Charlottesville "anti-racists"...

Dark_Horse_Rider
08-14-2017, 07:20 AM
Strangeness in Va

Why Brennan Gilmore ( official "spokesman" ) State Dept info scrubbed yesterday ?

Also he was Va governor right hand man ?

Chopper crash seems too convenient, no ?

jmdrake
08-14-2017, 07:25 AM
Let's see, the FBI page on them got SCRUBBED....

But from the bit i can see cached, they are a racist group that organized violence. Hmm maybe like the Charlottesville "anti-racists"...

Are you talking about the New Black Panthers? They are racists. The original Black Panthers are not. In fact you need to watch the recent PBS documentary about them. One of the leaders, Fred Hampton, met with the 1960s equivalent of the Tea Party, which was a mostly southern white group known as "The Young Patriots." In the video clip a young white gentleman with a southern twang introduces Fred. Then Fred goes on to say "We've got a lot in common. The police beat up on you just like they beat up on us. You're poor and exploited just like we are. We should come together." It's not too long after that until the FBI politically assassinated Fred Hampton. So I don't give a f*ck about what the FBI page and I'm not sure why you seem to.

angelatc
08-14-2017, 08:10 AM
Nice backpack! Seriously anyone who has a negative gut reaction to the black panthers probably doesn't understand the history of the black panthers.


The Black Panther Party or the BPP (originally the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense) was a revolutionary black nationalist and socialist organization founded by Bobby Seale and Huey Newton in October 1966 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party)

They're racist socialists.

And if I were on a jury the backpack would give credibility to the theory that the mayor intentionally orchestrated this event to some extent.

jmdrake
08-14-2017, 08:16 AM
They're racist socialists.

And if I were on a jury the backpack would give credibility to the theory that the mayor intentionally orchestrated this event to some extent.

If all you know about the Black Panthers is what you read on Wikipedia then you are woefully misinformed. Again, a racist black group would not meet with a group of whites known as "the young patriots" to talk about how they had common ground from police brutality and oppression. And as for the backpack, you understand that's the comic book character right? Well..maybe you don't. But it's the comic book character. I hope that people who mistake comic book characters for reality are struck from the jury pool.

dannno
08-14-2017, 08:18 AM
Thanks for the video. I got the opposite impression from it. The crowd is ahead of him. Behind him the sidewalk is sparsely populated. It's not until he is right on the freaking crowd until someone attacks him. Well duh! Why are you driving your car directly into a crowd of people in the first place? That said, anything is possible.

Edit: Okay. I see the argument being made. I guess this guy thought the crowd was going to part and let him go through and when it didn't he decided he didn't want to be Reginald Denny? Oh, and he's active duty military. This probably explains why he was charged with 2nd degree murder and not first degree. I heard on Fox News last night that they were claiming there were "white supremacists" along the road telling him which way to turn and urging him on. That seems to be bullsh*t.

Haven't you been paying attention to Phil's posts??

The alt-right protest was broken up by police and they were pushed into the area where Antifa was protesting in the streets - this guy had to drive his car through the crowded streets, just like the people ahead of him.. I'm guessing he DID NOT want to be there in the crowd. I'm guessing they were all yelling "white supremist" at him and threatening him, then suddenly he hears a loud "BANG!!" on his car and he thought he was going to be attacked by the entire crowd. I'm sure tensions were extremely high.

Again, I am not saying what happened for certain, but I had a feeling that is what happened from the beginning. This guy was scared shitless.

jmdrake
08-14-2017, 08:23 AM
Haven't you been paying attention to Phil's posts??

Did you not read my entire post that you quoted?

Edit: Okay. I see the argument being made. I guess this guy thought the crowd was going to part and let him go through and when it didn't he decided he didn't want to be Reginald Denny? Oh, and he's active duty military. This probably explains why he was charged with 2nd degree murder and not first degree. I heard on Fox News last night that they were claiming there were "white supremacists" along the road telling him which way to turn and urging him on. That seems to be bullsh*t.


The alt-right protest was broken up by police and they were pushed into the area where Antifa was protesting in the streets - this guy had to drive his car through the crowded streets, just like the people ahead of him.. I'm guessing he DID NOT want to be there in the crowd. I'm guessing they were all yelling "white supremist" at him and threatening him, then suddenly he hears a loud "BANG!!" on his car and he thought he was going to be attacked by the entire crowd. I'm sure tensions were extremely high.

Just judging by the video the street that he was on was not crowded until the end of it where things got out of hand. Rather than trying to press through, the smart thing to do would have been to stop further back and wait for the crowd to disperse or back up and try to go another way. Of course not being smart does not equal first degree murder. And again, we're just going from a very short clip that doesn't show much. Also there are reports that he was on psych meds which totally changes everything.

donnay
08-14-2017, 08:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPsAPdk7zyQ

donnay
08-14-2017, 08:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdWarSs40MA

Dark_Horse_Rider
08-14-2017, 08:37 AM
Same as it ever was. . . who controls the narrative ?

who benefits from this ?

This seems another coordinated /manufactured event to keep Americans from seeing clearly to unite against the tyranny perpetrated against them.

tod evans
08-14-2017, 08:41 AM
Same as it ever was. . . who controls the narrative ?

who benefits from this ?

This seems another coordinated /manufactured event to keep Americans from seeing clearly to unite against the tyranny perpetrated against them.

But, but........Raysis.

donnay
08-14-2017, 08:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnHPKRjGOVs

angelatc
08-14-2017, 08:54 AM
But, but........Raysis.

Make no mistake - the rally organizer is a White Supremacist. This exemplifies the reason that openly affiliating with offensive groups even when there's common ground makes for disastrous PR. Logic loses to emotion at every turn.

specsaregood
08-14-2017, 08:59 AM
Make no mistake - the rally organizer is a White Supremacist. This exemplifies the reason that openly affiliating with offensive groups even when there's common ground makes for disastrous PR. Logic loses to emotion at every turn.

He thinks that white people should have dominion over other races or special privileges? Have a citation of that?

donnay
08-14-2017, 09:07 AM
Make no mistake - the rally organizer is a White Supremacist. This exemplifies the reason that openly affiliating with offensive groups even when there's common ground makes for disastrous PR. Logic loses to emotion at every turn.

Because the Southern Poverty Law Center told you so. :rolleyes:

angelatc
08-14-2017, 09:22 AM
I know a lot of you will find this is interesting: up until 2015 or so, Jason Kessler was involved in Occupy and supported President Obama. (https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/jason-kessler)

Somebody who archives better than I do should screen cap that before it disappears.

donnay
08-14-2017, 09:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AOx7NMbMkU

donnay
08-14-2017, 09:23 AM
I know a lot of you will find this is interesting: up until 2015 or so, Jason Kessler was involved in Occupy and supported President Obama. (https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/jason-kessler)

Somebody who archives better than I do should screen cap that before it disappears.

Just as I thought the SPLC talking points.

ETA:

This is the kind of crap SPLC spews, but I am sure most people know this.


Paul, the former Texas congressman and Republican presidential candidate, is the keynote speaker of the weeklong conference slated for Sept. 8-13 in Niagara Falls, Ontario. A physician before entering politics, Paul got into considerable hot water in 2008 when The New Republic published “Angry White Man,” an article about the contents of newsletters he published. What the newsletters revealed, the magazine reported, “are decades worth of obsession with conspiracies, sympathy for the right-wing militia movement, and deeply held bigotry against blacks, Jews and gays.” Paul denied writing the newsletters that bore his name.
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2013/08/20/ron-paul-birch-president-speak-anti-semitic-conference

RJB
08-14-2017, 09:51 AM
I would bet that if the driver kept his mouth shut to the police and only says, "I feared for my life," he stands a good chance of getting acquitted.

Madison320
08-14-2017, 09:58 AM
"ACLU confirms that police were given stand-down order. This invited the violence the city used to shut down a court-permitted protest." https://t.co/FQUhcYaIIm (https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FFQUhcYaIIm%3Arv1EUWYf EUWEYLJoGgCB7XwBtfU&cuid=1838505)
— Robert Barnes (@Barnes_Law) August 12, 2017
Don Gathers, deacon at First Baptist Church in Charlottesville, says the police response was "reprehensible" and an "embarrassment."


Driver appears to have been attacked by mob with baseball bats before hitting the gas.


http://www.departmentofmeme... (http://disq.us/url?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.departmentofmemes.com%2Fa rticle%2Fprotesters-attacked-charlottesville-drivers-car-baseball-bat%2F%3Ay9nfPn7h2RO96key_vJYm-uEk1Q&cuid=1838505)


2nd Video: https://www.youtube.com/wat...

(https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv% 3D9mnywjPPDtU%3A-hBN9Nez2DDFOwXGjkiNExjKOxA&cuid=1838505)

NO police anywhere...

Wow, the news has really suppressed that "minor" little detail. I hadn't heard about it until I read your post. No mention of the bats in Wikipedia either.

Madison320
08-14-2017, 10:07 AM
I would bet that if the driver kept his mouth shut to the police and only says, "I feared for my life," he stands a good chance of getting acquitted.

It occurred to me that the guys with bats were on the car really FAST. It makes more sense that they had already started beating the car before the car hit the protestors. If the protestors were just standing around and all of a sudden, out of nowhere a car rammed them, wouldn't it take a few seconds to process what happened before you decided to beat the car with bats?

specsaregood
08-14-2017, 10:13 AM
It occurred to me that the guys with bats were on the car really FAST. It makes more sense that they had already started beating the car before the car hit the protestors. If the protestors were just standing around and all of a sudden, out of nowhere a car rammed them, wouldn't it take a few seconds to process what happened before you decided to beat the car with bats?

there is one video from the rear that makes it definitive that the car was hit by a bat before the acceleration.

Madison320
08-14-2017, 10:17 AM
there is one video from the rear that makes it definitive that the car was hit by a bat before the acceleration.

Yeah, I think I saw that one, although I couldn't tell exactly what the guy was swinging or if it connected. But it fits with the other video that show the guys running after the car and smashing the back windshield.

RonPaulMall
08-14-2017, 10:24 AM
He's actually just driving down the street at a pretty reasonable rate of speed surrounded by a violent and dangerous crowd and it isn't until the car is attacked with a bat that he starts accelerating. Crowd in front of him is completely obscuring the cars he is about to crash in to. This is complete and utter vindication for the driver and MSM has been caught red handed trying to invent an "act of terrorism". This is what total narrative collapse looks like:

896834155169947648

/Po/ actually has screenshots from different angles showing the car being attacked immediately prior to acceleration, during acceleration, and after the accident. Driver was being attacked at every point during the incident.

Todd
08-14-2017, 10:31 AM
I know a lot of you will find this is interesting: up until 2015 or so, Jason Kessler was involved in Occupy and supported President Obama. (https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/jason-kessler)

Somebody who archives better than I do should screen cap that before it disappears.


Hey isn't this the same guy?

http://ibankcoin.com/zeropointnow/files/2017/08/kessart.png

nternet sleuths discovered a CNN report on Occupy Wall St. from five years ago submitted by “CNN Assignment Editor Jason Kessler.” Same guy?

http://www.blacklistednews.com/Report%3A_%E2%80%98Unite_the_Right%E2%80%99_Organi zer_Jason_Kessler_Was_Obama_Supporter_Involved_In_ Occupy_Movement/60313/0/38/38/Y/M.htm

devil21
08-14-2017, 11:26 AM
I would bet that if the driver kept his mouth shut to the police and only says, "I feared for my life," he stands a good chance of getting acquitted.

Lots of interesting stuff being dug up by the tinfoil crews on other sites that indicate he is a patsy.

RJB
08-14-2017, 11:30 AM
Lots of interesting stuff being dug up by the tinfoil crews on other sites that indicate he is a patsy.
I agree. There are a lot of things not right with this whole weekend. I should have started off with "Under normal circumstances..."

Really, this is kind of a wait and see...

angelatc
08-14-2017, 11:35 AM
Lots of interesting stuff being dug up by the tinfoil crews on other sites that indicate he is a patsy.

I would not be shocked to learn he is on a government payroll.

After being challenged on a statement I made, I can't find any proof the organizer is a white supremacist although that is being widely reported. He publicly took on the black vice-mayor who tweeted lots of racist stuff - that's when it seems he parted with the left.

Did he invite the White Supremacists to the rally, or did they just glob on?

Madison320
08-14-2017, 11:55 AM
He's actually just driving down the street at a pretty reasonable rate of speed surrounded by a violent and dangerous crowd and it isn't until the car is attacked with a bat that he starts accelerating. Crowd in front of him is completely obscuring the cars he is about to crash in to. This is complete and utter vindication for the driver and MSM has been caught red handed trying to invent an "act of terrorism". This is what total narrative collapse looks like:

896834155169947648

/Po/ actually has screenshots from different angles showing the car being attacked immediately prior to acceleration, during acceleration, and after the accident. Driver was being attacked at every point during the incident.

This is getting really interesting. I just watched CNN at lunch and this is most biased I've ever seen them. They're in full attack mode. It's all Trump's fault according to their "experts". As they went to a commercial break they said more updates were coming up next on the actual case. They showed footage of the car ramming people, but they cut the baseball bat part. None of the updates mentioned any possibility of the driver being innocent or the bats. It was all about whether the crime should be classified as a terrorist act and whether they had "accomplices". Like I said, this is going to get interesting. I've never seen the media and the politicians so invested in an outcome. But unless those videos are fake, he's pretty obviously innocent.

enhanced_deficit
08-14-2017, 12:07 PM
The left could do with some introspection.

That can be tough but extrospection is easier.

Obama's photo tweet about Charlottesville prompts widespread pining (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?514036-Obama-s-photo-tweet-about-Charlottesville-prompts-widespread-pining&)

Valli6
08-14-2017, 12:09 PM
Never mind Vice-Mayor Wes Bellamy's backpack. The man is a disgusting pig and a racist!
Check out some of his past tweets! https://www.blackandblondemedia.com/2017/08/14/charlottesvilles-vice-mayor-wes-bellamy-racist-misogynist-democrat


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFcxAZMTkSk
(Love how CNN accepted his BS explanation and just moved on.) :rolleyes:

Also caught speeding...without a license... http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/one-charge-dropped-against-bellamy-another-reduced/article_7dfefbe4-bea0-11e2-a15c-0019bb30f31a.html

acptulsa
08-14-2017, 12:11 PM
This is getting really interesting. I just watched CNN at lunch and this is most biased I've ever seen them.

They've made their spin and now they're lying in it.

And lying. And lying...

Madison320
08-14-2017, 12:15 PM
They've made their spin and now they're lying in it.

And lying. And lying...

My guess is the media is first going to ratchet this down to "a little damage to your car doesn't justify murder."

jllundqu
08-14-2017, 12:28 PM
All part of the setup. The prosecutor will overzealously charge for murder instead of a safer charge of vehicular manslaughter. The driver can claim "I was scared for my life and didn't intent to hit anyone" He will get off. The left will then melt down, claim white privilege, Trump's a Nazi, more riots, more staged violence, rinse / repeat.

RJB
08-14-2017, 12:36 PM
All part of the setup. The prosecutor will overzealously charge for murder instead of a safer charge of vehicular manslaughter. The driver can claim "I was scared for my life and didn't intent to hit anyone" He will get off. The left will then melt down, claim white privilege, Trump's a Nazi, more riots, more staged violence, rinse / repeat.
Something like that happened in the Rodney King trial. They tried the cops for attempted murder instead of assault, if I recall correctly.
ETA. This will give the populace another riot and another weekend of top-notch entertainment--. Er I meant news.

devil21
08-14-2017, 12:42 PM
Something like that happened in the Rodney King trial. They tried the cops for attempted murder instead of assault, if I recall correctly.
ETA. This will give the populace another riot and another weekend of top-notch entertainment--. Er I meant news.

When it's a common pleb, they charge everything possible to secure some kind of conviction. As assault is always part of an attempted murder, for example, so both are charged. It's one of the ways to determine whether someone is a patsy or a genuine suspect. No charge is left on the table for genuine suspects.

Madison320
08-14-2017, 12:44 PM
All part of the setup. The prosecutor will overzealously charge for murder instead of a safer charge of vehicular manslaughter. The driver can claim "I was scared for my life and didn't intent to hit anyone" He will get off. The left will then melt down, claim white privilege, Trump's a Nazi, more riots, more staged violence, rinse / repeat.

I'm mad at myself for being fooled by first reports. Dang, this is like the 6th time I've been fooled by initial reports. Jena 6, Duke Lacrosse, George Zimmerman, Michael Brown, etc. damn.

I still think this one is going to be tough for the media to walk back because of the Trump angle. They don't want to let Trump off the hook.

enhanced_deficit
08-14-2017, 12:48 PM
“She always stands up for what she believes in and we had spoken about mixed race couples and families,” her friend Lauren Moon told the news outlet.
IS this circa 1972?

Was this really on the list of issues that these protests were about?

Trump had invoked Israel's separation Wall while lobbying for his border Wall plan and had called Hillary Clinton a hypocrite (Trump calls out Hillary Clinton for her support for Israel’s separation wall (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?487762-Trump-calls-out-Hillary-Clinton-for-her-support-for-Israel%E2%80%99s-separation-wall&)).

Do some of his supporters or some folks on far-right want to make America like Israel in establishing boundaries in other areas too?
Trump had metioned only Wall boundary but besides having border Wall, Israel has also banned marriages between people of different races if recall old news correctly.

"Hello, I'm Daniel" (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?511337-quot-Hello-I-m-Daniel-quot&)
A Palestinian man has been convicted of rape after having consensual sex with an Israeli woman who believed he was Jewish because he introduced himself as "Daniel".

ChristianAnarchist
08-14-2017, 12:50 PM
I just heard that a Va Police chopper was shot down?


I was not able to find a thread about it but that's what I thought when I heard a police chopper crashed. It doesn't take much to shoot down a chopper...

tod evans
08-14-2017, 12:57 PM
This belongs in this thread too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOi0tC00Luc

dannno
08-14-2017, 01:03 PM
I was not able to find a thread about it but that's what I thought when I heard a police chopper crashed. It doesn't take much to shoot down a chopper...

So let's say this alt-right kid who ran over people was scared to death of the mob that was about to attack him, and let's say Antifa shot down the police helicopter.

Who are the terrorists?

Danke
08-14-2017, 01:10 PM
man was fired from his job after a photo of him at the deadly Charlottesville white-supremacist rally went viral
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/man-fired-job-photo-him-141546570.html



White nationalists who participated in the deadly rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, over the weekend are being identified on social media, and at least one man has lost his job as a result.
Top Dog, a hot-dog restaurant in Berkeley, California, said it fired Cole White on Saturday after the man was named by a Twitter account (https://twitter.com/YesYoureRacist/status/896713553666871296/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fnypost.com%2F2017%2F08%2F13%2 Fwhite-nationalists-are-being-ousted-on-twitter-and-one-lost-his-job%2F) devoted to outing rally participants.
"Effective Saturday 12th August, Cole White no longer works at Top Dog," read a sign posted outside the restaurant (http://abc7news.com/society/berkeley-restaurant-takes-stand-on-charlottesville/2305144/) on Sunday. "The actions of those in Charlottesville are not supported by Top Dog. We believe in individual freedom and voluntary association for everyone."

Madison320
08-14-2017, 01:21 PM
man was fired from his job after a photo of him at the deadly Charlottesville white-supremacist rally went viral
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/man-fired-job-photo-him-141546570.html

"Effective Saturday 12th August, Cole White no longer works at Top Dog," read a sign posted outside the restaurant on Sunday. "The actions of those in Charlottesville are not supported by Top Dog. We believe in individual freedom and voluntary association for everyone."

Voluntary association for everyone? Or just certain groups? What about Black Lives Matter? Hmmmm. I call BS.

Not that I should have to state this on a Ron Paul website but obviously all discrimination laws are wrong.

specsaregood
08-14-2017, 01:26 PM
Voluntary association for everyone? Or just certain groups? What about Black Lives Matter? Hmmmm. I call BS.

Not that I should have to state this on a Ron Paul website but obviously all discrimination laws are wrong.

discrimination laws applied unequally are even more wrong.

acptulsa
08-14-2017, 01:39 PM
"Effective Saturday 12th August, Cole White no longer works at Top Dog," read a sign posted outside the restaurant on Sunday. "The actions of those in Charlottesville are not supported by Top Dog. We believe in individual freedom and voluntary association for everyone except our own employees."

FIFThem

RonPaulMall
08-14-2017, 01:50 PM
After being challenged on a statement I made, I can't find any proof the organizer is a white supremacist although that is being widely reported. He publicly took on the black vice-mayor who tweeted lots of racist stuff - that's when it seems he parted with the left.

Did he invite the White Supremacists to the rally, or did they just glob on?

Walter Block was a literal communist before he came over to our side. I wouldn't obsess to much over this guy's previous politics. And you are giving him far too much weight as the "organizer" of the event. He's really just a minor Alt Right figure who happens to live in Charlottesville and was the one who filed the permit for the rally. This was not a top down event organized by Jason Kessler. I doubt one in a hundred attendees had ever even heard of him. Richard Spencer was the primary force behind the event. And the main Alt Right websites were the ones who promoted it and deserve credit for the huge turnout.

Brian4Liberty
08-14-2017, 01:53 PM
Lots of interesting stuff being dug up by the tinfoil crews on other sites that indicate he is a patsy.


I would not be shocked to learn he is on a government payroll.

After being challenged on a statement I made, I can't find any proof the organizer is a white supremacist although that is being widely reported. He publicly took on the black vice-mayor who tweeted lots of racist stuff - that's when it seems he parted with the left.

Did he invite the White Supremacists to the rally, or did they just glob on?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppBXqO6ObQ8

A Soros/neoconservative false flag operation similar to the Ukraine revolution that was started by "neo-Nazis"? McMullin, McCain and Graham have connections?

Danke
08-14-2017, 02:25 PM
Voluntary association for everyone? Or just certain groups? What about Black Lives Matter? Hmmmm. I call BS.

Not that I should have to state this on a Ron Paul website but obviously all discrimination laws are wrong.

I'm not sure why they think he is a "white nationalist" could just be one of the majority participants that were neither a nationalist nor supremacist.

Dark_Horse_Rider
08-14-2017, 02:26 PM
Lots of interesting stuff being dug up by the tinfoil crews on other sites that indicate he is a patsy.

Some interesting bits about Brennan Gilmore also. . . guy that has seemingly been interviewed by every who's who of the MSM

angelatc
08-14-2017, 02:48 PM
I would bet that if the driver kept his mouth shut to the police and only says, "I feared for my life," he stands a good chance of getting acquitted.

Watching the video ... he never hit his brakes. He slammed into the car without even trying to stop.

Danke
08-14-2017, 02:51 PM
Watching the video ... he never hit his brakes. He slammed into the car without even trying to stop.
Probably didn't see the car with all the people in front of him. :D

dannno
08-14-2017, 02:53 PM
Watching the video ... he never hit his brakes. He slammed into the car without even trying to stop.

That was after they started attacking his car.

donnay
08-14-2017, 03:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEnwBvbYxCg

Madison320
08-14-2017, 03:04 PM
Watching the video ... he never hit his brakes. He slammed into the car without even trying to stop.

Maybe he was panicking because he thought he was about to die? Look how many guys with bats came running up after his car crashed. I think it's highly probable that all of them were beating on his car before he accelerated. It makes no sense that they just leapt into action in response to the car hitting pedestrians. Nobody can react that fast. Do you see what I mean?

Brian4Liberty
08-14-2017, 03:05 PM
That was after they started attacking his car.

Someone hitting your car with a bat does not justify you running over other people.

RonPaulMall
08-14-2017, 03:10 PM
Watching the video ... he never hit his brakes. He slammed into the car without even trying to stop.

From the other view you can clearly see the cars were completely obscured by the mob. He sped up to get away from the attackers and never saw the cars until it was too late.

phill4paul
08-14-2017, 03:21 PM
Someone hitting your car with a bat does not justify you running over other people.

We've all seen what happened to Reginald Denny. I would think a case could and will be made if one "fears for their life."

dannno
08-14-2017, 03:23 PM
Someone hitting your car with a bat does not justify you running over other people.

In a vacuum? Sure. But he wasn't in a vacuum. There were all sorts of things going on around him that would make him fear for his life.

Let's be real here. We saw the videos, we saw the livestream of Antifa that morning.

This is what my friend on the left just said when we were arguing about what happened, "The alt right needs to be and will be smashed. We've beaten those nazis in WW2 we will do it again."

It didn't matter what facts I told him, he thinks the alt-right are nazi terrorists and it is ok to be violent with them. This is what CNN does to your brain.

Then you saw the guy in the article Tod Evans posted in Seattle of the guy saying that the cops shouldn't be protecting the nazis and they should be allowed to go beat them up. This is how a lot of people feel, but it's not just the Richard Spencer nazi saluters, they are tying it to anybody who supports Trump.

These are deranged people. Based on everything else I saw, they were no doubt yelling at him and threatening him for being alt-right and that probably wasn't the first blow his car received.. but that guy was swinging for the fences when he hit his car, his pulse was already up high from being screamed at, he was surrounded by Antifa, he probably already was in fear for his life before that final blow from the baseball bat.

I'm not claiming to know what happened for certain, but we do know that there was at minimum a violent blow to his car that happened before he accelerated into the crowd, we also know he was dealing with a violent group of people who were looking to fight "nazis" and they were probably yelling at him, threatening him and hitting his car before that as well.

I think that MOST people in his situation would have reacted similarly. Whether that is what someone SHOULD do, I can't say, I don't know what would have happened if he just put his car into park and let them do what they were going to do, they could have potentially killed him.

So I don't have a hard time believing at all that he was in fear for his life, it seems that is what triggered the events.

By law, I think he may actually be innocent due to the incident in Alexandria, VA a few months ago.

phill4paul
08-14-2017, 03:26 PM
We've all seen what happened to Reginald Denny. I would think a case could and will be made if one "fears for their life."

http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/09/analysis-is-it-lawful-self-defense-to-run-down-rioters-surrounding-your-vehicle/

Schifference
08-14-2017, 03:26 PM
When I drive, my right foot is either on the gas pedal or the brake. If I was accelerating to get away, I would not have my foot on the brake. A good question would be why was he at that place at that time with his car. I would have avoided that cluster fuch. Why keep advancing into the crowd. After he was hit with the bat, he could have decided to put it in reverse and get out of there. Hard to say what someone would do when in a panic fight or flight situation.

dannno
08-14-2017, 03:31 PM
When I drive, my right foot is either on the gas pedal or the brake. If I was accelerating to get away, I would not have my foot on the brake. A good question would be why was he at that place at that time with his car. I would have avoided that cluster fuch. Why keep advancing into the crowd. After he was hit with the bat, he could have decided to put it in reverse and get out of there. Hard to say what someone would do when in a panic fight or flight situation.

The police had directed the alt-right protesters to go toward the streets where Antifa was protesting.

Madison320
08-14-2017, 03:34 PM
Someone hitting your car with a bat does not justify you running over other people.




My guess is the media is first going to ratchet this down to "a little damage to your car doesn't justify murder."


I was right! I just didn't think it'd be the moderator at Ron Paul Forums!

Anyway it wasn't "someone with a bat", it was an angry mob with lots of bats. What was he supposed to do, just let himself be beat to death? I don't get this at all.

dannno
08-14-2017, 03:38 PM
I was right! I just didn't think it'd be the moderator at Ron Paul Forums!

Anyway it wasn't "someone with a bat", it was an angry mob with lots of bats. What was he supposed to do, just let himself be beat to death? I don't get this at all.

I'll admit that it is POSSIBLE Jason Kessler knew about the law in Virginia, purposely drove into a crowd of Antifa, waited for them to hit his car with something so he could floor it and run a bunch of them over.. BUT... that would need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, and I haven't seen any evidence. There was motive, and it is worth investigating, but as of now the most likely scenario seems to be that he was just trying to get out of there and feared for his life, got scared and (possibly) over-reacted a bit.

donnay
08-14-2017, 03:42 PM
Here's a news article two days before:

From many reports I have seen and read it was said the police had "stand-down" orders and practically did nothing.


Road closures, heavy police presence planned for Saturday rally
Police estimate between 2,000 and 6,000 protesters, counter-protesters
by Alexis Gravely | Aug 11 2017

https://s3.amazonaws.com/media.cav/18277_20170810aug12citytrafficplanf.jpg

Saturday’s “Unite the Right” rally is expected to disrupt both vehicular and pedestrian traffic starting Friday evening. In a press briefing Thursday afternoon, Charlottesville Police Department Capt. Victor Mitchell detailed the areas in downtown Charlottesville that will be affected.

Mitchell said the CPD anticipates a crowd of anywhere from 2,000 to 6,000 people, including both protesters and counter-protesters.

Parts of East Market Street, 1st Street, 2nd Street, 3rd Street, 4th Street and West Jefferson Street will be closed to vehicles beginning Saturday morning.

The 200 blocks on both 1st Street and 2nd Street which will be closed to both vehicles and pedestrians beginning Friday evening. The sidewalk on the 100 block of East Jefferson Street will also be closed Friday evening.

No road closures are expected near McIntire Park, except for the entrance to the park from the Route 250 Bypass near the fire station. Event organizer and pro-white activist Jason Kessler applied to hold the rally at Emancipation Park, but the city said earlier this week that it would only grant a permit for the rally if it was held in McIntire Park, which the city said would be larger and safer.

Kessler has rejected the city’s decision and said the rally will remain in Emancipation Park. The American Civil Liberties Union of Virginia and The Rutherford Institute expressed concerns that the city’s actions violated Kessler’s First Amendment rights and filed a civil rights lawsuit against the city in federal court Thursday.

“We are prepared for multiple possibilities and Charlottesville Police Department, with assistance from the Virginia State Police, has plans in place to protect citizens in both parks,” Mitchell said. “Individuals have a constitutional right to gather and peacefully protest. The police will be there to ensure this takes place.”

Mitchell also said that the Albemarle County Police Department and University Police Department will respond to emergency calls made in the city Saturday.

“We also want to point out that we still have a city to protect,” Mitchell said. “I want to assure the citizens of this city — if you call 911 for an emergency — a police officer will respond.”
http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2017/08/road-closures-heavy-police-presence-planned-for-saturday-rally

Madison320
08-14-2017, 03:49 PM
When I drive, my right foot is either on the gas pedal or the brake. If I was accelerating to get away, I would not have my foot on the brake. A good question would be why was he at that place at that time with his car. I would have avoided that cluster fuch. Why keep advancing into the crowd. After he was hit with the bat, he could have decided to put it in reverse and get out of there. Hard to say what someone would do when in a panic fight or flight situation.

I agree. I would have avoided something like that by miles not blocks!

Maybe when they starting beating his car his instinct was to move forward, away from the attack.

Brian4Liberty
08-14-2017, 03:50 PM
When I drive, my right foot is either on the gas pedal or the brake. If I was accelerating to get away, I would not have my foot on the brake. A good question would be why was he at that place at that time with his car. I would have avoided that cluster fuch. Why keep advancing into the crowd. After he was hit with the bat, he could have decided to put it in reverse and get out of there. Hard to say what someone would do when in a panic fight or flight situation.


I was right! I just didn't think it'd be the moderator at Ron Paul Forums!

Anyway it wasn't "someone with a bat", it was an angry mob with lots of bats. What was he supposed to do, just let himself be beat to death? I don't get this at all.

Reverse is an option. And it seemed to work just fine for him after he drove into a crowd.

Brian4Liberty
08-14-2017, 03:53 PM
We've all seen what happened to Reginald Denny. I would think a case could and will be made if one "fears for their life."

Every case is different.

The good old "fears for their life" defense cuts many ways. Tread carefully on that slippery slope.

dannno
08-14-2017, 03:54 PM
Reverse is an option. And it seemed to work just fine for him after he drove into a crowd.

They hit the BACK of his car, the crowd was everywhere.

But you also don't get a lot of time to THINK during those kind of situations.

So the question is, what's your point? Do you think he was waiting for them to hit him so he could drive into the crowd? I think it is more likely he was just reacting out of self preservation. Certainly both are plausible, but I think most people react without thinking too much during these kind of situations.

donnay
08-14-2017, 03:55 PM
I'll admit that it is POSSIBLE Jason Kessler knew about the law in Virginia, purposely drove into a crowd of Antifa, waited for them to hit his car with something so he could floor it and run a bunch of them over.. BUT... that would need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, and I haven't seen any evidence. There was motive, and it is worth investigating, but as of now the most likely scenario seems to be that he was just trying to get out of there and feared for his life, got scared and (possibly) over-reacted a bit.

Jason Kessler was not the driver, it was James Alex Fields, Jr..

Schifference
08-14-2017, 03:56 PM
They hit the BACK of his car, the crowd was everywhere.

But you also don't get a lot of time to THINK during those kind of situations.

From my viewing of video there was very little crowd behind the vehicle compared to in front of it. Reverse would have been the best option.

Brian4Liberty
08-14-2017, 03:58 PM
They hit the BACK of his car, the crowd was everywhere.

But you also don't get a lot of time to THINK during those kind of situations.

IIRC, the street behind him was relatively clear. He did eventually escape that way. Granted, you might not have a lot of time to think, but my vehicles drive much faster on empty streets rather than plowing through a mass of people.

dannno
08-14-2017, 03:58 PM
From my viewing of video there was very little crowd behind the vehicle compared to in front of it. Reverse would have been the best option.

When somebody is attacking the back of your car, and you don't have time to think, you would probably drive forward. There were people all around him, more in front of him, but you don't get a very good view from a seat in your car, you just have mirrors.

Schifference
08-14-2017, 04:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFGFCt-oHC0

dannno
08-14-2017, 04:01 PM
IIRC, the street behind him was relatively clear. He did eventually escape that way. Granted, you might not have a lot of time to think, but my vehicles drive much faster on empty streets rather than plowing through a mass of people.

That's all well and good, but when a group of people attacks a car, and the driver fears for their life, and the driver out of haste and fear makes a bad decision about what action to take, the blame still generally falls on the people attacking the car.

If you worked at a convenience store, and somebody came in to rob the store with a knife, and you got out a gun and they lunge at you and then you shoot at them and the bullet ricochets and hits a customer, the robber is the one who gets blamed for that because they set the events in motion.

Schifference
08-14-2017, 04:02 PM
When somebody is attacking the back of your car, and you don't have time to think, you would probably drive forward. There were people all around him, more in front of him, but you don't get a very good view from a seat in your car, you just have mirrors.

I agree it is not a one size fits all. Every person would not react the same way under pressure. I like reverse and can drive very well in reverse. I think I would have looked to the front then the back and gotten out of there in reverse. But who knows that was a bad place to be! Poor judgement to even be there.

Madison320
08-14-2017, 04:08 PM
Reverse is an option. And it seemed to work just fine for him after he drove into a crowd.

What are you, a Green Beret or something?

Normal people don't always think logically when they're about to get killed.

Southron
08-14-2017, 04:12 PM
A friend of mine was hit in the back of the head pretty badly while we were trying to evacuate. It was very reasonable to fear for your life Saturday if you were alone or in small groups.

AngryCanadian
08-14-2017, 04:18 PM
CNN is Jewish owned so i wasn't surprised by their hatred towards the white people. Remember its "The White's people fault for everything" Its the white people fault for what happened to the Jews.

phill4paul
08-14-2017, 04:39 PM
Every case is different.

The good old "fears for their life" defense cuts many ways. Tread carefully on that slippery slope.

What slippery slope? Cops use it with impunity. Shouldn't others be allowed to?

phill4paul
08-14-2017, 04:41 PM
That's all well and good, but when a group of people attacks a car, and the driver fears for their life, and the driver out of haste and fear makes a bad decision about what action to take, the blame still generally falls on the people attacking the car.

If you worked at a convenience store, and somebody came in to rob the store with a knife, and you got out a gun and they lunge at you and then you shoot at them and the bullet ricochets and hits a customer, the robber is the one who gets blamed for that because they set the events in motion.

If you're a cop and you shoot at somebody and hit somebody else it is the person that was shot at that is charged.

Brian4Liberty
08-14-2017, 04:44 PM
A Soros/neoconservative false flag operation similar to the Ukraine revolution that was started by "neo-Nazis"? McMullin, McCain and Graham have connections?

897186049817968640
https://twitter.com/DanielLMcAdams/status/897186049817968640

parocks
08-14-2017, 04:45 PM
Who's funding Antifa, anybody good looking hard into that?

Soros https://archive.fo/AC4WM

why is Soros not even arrested yet? You'd think that they'd be able to match the current set of laws with what Soros is doing, there's gotta be overlap.

Conspiracy to riot? Is there a law like that. Time and time again, Soros paid protesters riot. It's intentional. Is that legal?

acptulsa
08-14-2017, 04:49 PM
Soros https://archive.fo/AC4WM

why is Soros not even arrested yet? You'd think that they'd be able to match the current set of laws with what Soros is doing, there's gotta be overlap.

Conspiracy to riot? Is there a law like that. Time and time again, Soros paid protesters riot. It's intentional. Is that legal?

Don't forget the New Golden Rule. He has the gold, so he makes the rules.

parocks
08-14-2017, 04:51 PM
The alt-right continues to be the most idiotic, poorly run, self-sabotaging bunch of morons I've ever seen. Words cannot express how much my opinion of this "movement" has soured since the beginning of the year. My opinions on race and immigration are unchanged and I continue to move rightward, but the alt-right is a $#@!ing dumpster fire that no thinking person should take seriously.

I'm not sure what alt-right is trying to do, but they're not particularly good at it.

juleswin
08-14-2017, 05:00 PM
CNN is Jewish owned so i wasn't surprised by their hatred towards the white people. Remember its "The White's people fault for everything" Its the white people fault for what happened to the Jews.

Why would a publicly jewish owned (I say publicly owned news station) be against the most pro Israel and most jewish president in the history of the US? This is the first president who has all his children(Baron is still too young) married, dating or engaged to jewish people. The first president who has a jewish daughter and jewish grand children in the white house.

If CNN is jewish owned as you say then their objection with him(if that is the case) must not be related to him being against the jews. That or maybe CNN is playing the part of the righteous opposition.

AngryCanadian
08-14-2017, 05:02 PM
Why would publicly a jewish owned (I say publicly owne news station be against the most pro Israel and most jewish president in the history of the US? This is the first president who has all his children(Baron is still too young) married, dating or engaged to jewish people. The first president who has a jewish daughter and jewish grand children in the white house.

If CNN is jewish owned as you say then their objection with him(if that is the case) must not be related to him being against the jews. That or maybe CNN is playing the part of the righteous opposition.

Just look at their narratives.

Swordsmyth
08-14-2017, 05:03 PM
I'm not sure what alt-right is trying to do, but they're not particularly good at it.
Yes they are good at it, their goal is to black-wash the right.

phill4paul
08-14-2017, 05:05 PM
Soros https://archive.fo/AC4WM

why is Soros not even arrested yet? You'd think that they'd be able to match the current set of laws with what Soros is doing, there's gotta be overlap.

Conspiracy to riot? Is there a law like that. Time and time again, Soros paid protesters riot. It's intentional. Is that legal?

I'd actually like to see more of this connection to Soros. I'd actually like to get some concrete proof of antiFa being organized and bused into/paid travel from out of state.

Brian4Liberty
08-14-2017, 05:07 PM
What slippery slope? Cops use it with impunity. Shouldn't others be allowed to?

Exactly. Perhaps it shouldn't be used with "immunity" by anyone.

ChristianAnarchist
08-14-2017, 05:10 PM
I wish there were more info on the helicopter. The fact that it crashed while flying around the protests is very suspicious. If someone shot at it and caused the crash there would be no real proof of that for perhaps a year or more as that is how long a typical aviation investigation takes. Even if an investigation shows it was caused by a bullet there would be little or no evidence pointing to who might have been doing the shooting. This is a question that will go unanswered for a long time unless someone comes forward with information on the shooter or shooters...

dannno
08-14-2017, 05:15 PM
Exactly. Perhaps it shouldn't be used with "immunity" by anyone.

Well the fact is, if you are in fear of your life from a person or people who are attempting to make you fear for your life, if you fuck up and make a bad choice whose fault is it?

Should the convenience store clerk be responsible for the ricochet bullet that he tried to shoot the robber with?

Have you ever been in fear of your life? It's probably one of the most intense things you can feel, so it makes sense that people are going to fuck up and make mistakes. So when they do, you can blame the person or group who made them fear for their life if it was not justified.

For example, a guy in his car reaching for his wallet after the cop asks for his license would be justified in reaching for his wallet. But he would not be justified if he pulled out a gun without informing him first.

Again, if this guy purposely waited for them to hit his car so he could run them over that would need to be proven. But from what we know his actions were not out of the realm of possibility of what a person who is in fear of their life might do.

tommyrp12
08-14-2017, 05:16 PM
Soros https://archive.fo/AC4WM

why is Soros not even arrested yet? You'd think that they'd be able to match the current set of laws with what Soros is doing, there's gotta be overlap.

Conspiracy to riot? Is there a law like that. Time and time again, Soros paid protesters riot. It's intentional. Is that legal?

August 12th is also his birthday.

Madison320
08-14-2017, 05:17 PM
I still haven't seen any mention in the news about the video evidence showing the driver was attacked first. This is fascinating to me. They have to know about the evidence.

specsaregood
08-14-2017, 05:23 PM
If you're a cop and you shoot at somebody and hit somebody else it is the person that was shot at that is charged.

I was wondering why the guy that hit the car from behind starting the whole accident hasn't been identified, located and charged yet.

acptulsa
08-14-2017, 05:29 PM
We have officially gotten to the point where we learn more from what the media doesn't say than what it does, and more from who officials don't arrest than who they do.


If someone shot at it and caused the crash...

...we'd already know. Fact is, those machines are often bought used, seldom competently maintained, flown beyond the hour count where the FAA demands their retirement, and usually manned by real hotdogs.

Once again, what they aren't saying says it all.

On the other hand, if they knew Antifa shot it down, they'd be just as silent. But I don't know why they would. Besides, didn't it crash miles away from the protest?

Dark_Horse_Rider
08-14-2017, 06:09 PM
I wish there were more info on the helicopter. The fact that it crashed while flying around the protests is very suspicious. If someone shot at it and caused the crash there would be no real proof of that for perhaps a year or more as that is how long a typical aviation investigation takes. Even if an investigation shows it was caused by a bullet there would be little or no evidence pointing to who might have been doing the shooting. This is a question that will go unanswered for a long time unless someone comes forward with information on the shooter or shooters...

what time chopper crashed ?

what time driver fled scene ?

so many unanswered questions

parocks
08-14-2017, 06:16 PM
man was fired from his job after a photo of him at the deadly Charlottesville white-supremacist rally went viral
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/man-fired-job-photo-him-141546570.html



White nationalists who participated in the deadly rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, over the weekend are being identified on social media, and at least one man has lost his job as a result.
Top Dog, a hot-dog restaurant in Berkeley, California, said it fired Cole White on Saturday after the man was named by a Twitter account (https://twitter.com/YesYoureRacist/status/896713553666871296/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fnypost.com%2F2017%2F08%2F13%2 Fwhite-nationalists-are-being-ousted-on-twitter-and-one-lost-his-job%2F) devoted to outing rally participants.
"Effective Saturday 12th August, Cole White no longer works at Top Dog," read a sign posted outside the restaurant (http://abc7news.com/society/berkeley-restaurant-takes-stand-on-charlottesville/2305144/) on Sunday. "The actions of those in Charlottesville are not supported by Top Dog. We believe in individual freedom and voluntary association for everyone."



He lives in Berkeley, and he's a "white nationalist"? Berkeley seems like the kind of place that Soros buses in protesters from. And Soros had bodies on both sides. There are no nazis, there is no kkk. There are just protesters paid by Soros to wear nazi and kkk costumes and fight with the paid protesters wearing the communist costumes.

acptulsa
08-14-2017, 06:20 PM
So what are they planning for us next?

https://tulsa.craigslist.org/evg/d/crisis-event-actors-needed/6264177049.html

phill4paul
08-14-2017, 06:23 PM
So what are they planning for us next?

https://tulsa.craigslist.org/evg/d/crisis-event-actors-needed/6264177049.html


Confederate monuments would be protected under altered OK bill

http://newsok.com/article/5489750

Pick one....

http://uwf.edu/wlees/Monuments.pdf

parocks
08-14-2017, 06:24 PM
A Soros/neoconservative false flag operation similar to the Ukraine revolution that was started by "neo-Nazis"? McMullin, McCain and Graham have connections?

Soros was paying both sides. It's harder to have a planned, scripted event when only one of the sides has the script. Not impossible of course.

There were booyah alt right confederate flag, general lee statue loving southerners on one side. Also on that side were leftists wearing nazi costumes who were paid by Soros. And on the other side were the BLM who were paid by Soros.

In 2017, the Soros side is much better organized than those who oppose Soros. At this point, having some sort of protest, under these conditions, pretty much means that you want to discredit the point you're trying to make.

And you try to avoid protests when the Dems have control of the Mayor's office and the Governor's office.

acptulsa
08-14-2017, 06:28 PM
http://newsok.com/article/5489750


That one's interesting. And we were part of the Confederacy. But all our heroes from that war were Indians, and I can't think of any statues to them off the top of my head.

parocks
08-14-2017, 06:44 PM
Don't forget the New Golden Rule. He has the gold, so he makes the rules.

Same BS over and over again, these fake events are not top notch.

timosman
08-14-2017, 06:50 PM
Don't forget the New Golden Rule. He has the gold, so he makes the rules.

I think it is who screeches the loudest now.

parocks
08-14-2017, 06:52 PM
I'd actually like to see more of this connection to Soros. I'd actually like to get some concrete proof of antiFa being organized and bused into/paid travel from out of state.

Yeah, that'd be good. The MSM makes things up all the time, most of what they're saying is BS. I have no idea if the Soros thing is true.

Easy rule of thumb, major terrorism = Israel, political skits = Soros. You can feel free to conclude that instantly.

Israel invented false flag. Don't forget USS Liberty - 1967.

RJB
08-14-2017, 06:55 PM
Watching the video ... he never hit his brakes. He slammed into the car without even trying to stop.

I definitely don't have all the facts nor am I making my own judgement. I am just saying a decent lawyer should be able to sway the jury pretty easily that a he (a WN) feared for his safety in a crowd of bat wielding antifa demonstrators.

In my own opinion, anyone who went to Charlottesville that weekend was an idiot.

AngryCanadian
08-14-2017, 06:55 PM
Soros was paying both sides. It's harder to have a planned, scripted event when only one of the sides has the script. Not impossible of course.

There were booyah alt right confederate flag, general lee statue loving southerners on one side. Also on that side were leftists wearing nazi costumes who were paid by Soros. And on the other side were the BLM who were paid by Soros.

In 2017, the Soros side is much better organized than those who oppose Soros. At this point, having some sort of protest, under these conditions, pretty much means that you want to discredit the point you're trying to make.

And you try to avoid protests when the Dems have control of the Mayor's office and the Governor's office.

Soros is losing the control in Europe. I have no doubts that Soros is trying to keep his influence in America though.

parocks
08-14-2017, 06:56 PM
I think it is who screeches the loudest now.

That's what it's supposed to look like. No one is cowering from the loud screechers. Those with the gold want loud screeching. Here, potentially pissed off people - complain about this. Are you satisfied? Have you had the opportunity to complain? Don't bother coming up with anything else we're doing that you might complain about.

We won't tell you this, but we're hoping to make it a felony to even suggest it's a good idea to boycott Israel. You don't want to get mixed up in felonies. Be mad at "racism" whatever that is. And feel free to attack a peaceful assembly with bats without legal consequences.

specsaregood
08-14-2017, 06:58 PM
Yeah, that'd be good. The MSM makes things up all the time, most of what they're saying is BS. I have no idea if the Soros thing is true.

Easy rule of thumb, major terrorism = Israel, political skits = Soros. You can feel free to conclude that instantly.

Israel invented false flag. Don't forget USS Liberty - 1967.

Uhm, the gulf of Tonkin was 13 years before that. Hell the USS Maine incident was 70 years before the USS liberty and well before the current state of Israel existed.

Madison320
08-14-2017, 07:14 PM
I definitely don't have all the facts nor am I making my own judgement. I am just saying a decent lawyer should be able to sway the jury pretty easily that a he (a WN) feared for his safety in a crowd of bat wielding antifa demonstrators.

In my own opinion, anyone who went to Charlottesville that weekend was an idiot.

I'm slightly less sure that he's innocent after watching more video. I saw the video from behind the car, looking down the street and the object he gets hit with is a flag pole. It looks pretty light to me. After that there's a gap between the "behind the car" angle and the more common "looking at the right side of the car" angle. I don't see any major damage to the car after it hits the car in front of it. But there's a lot of guys with bats and they must've been right on top of him at the point where he accelerated.

The trial should be interesting. I'll bet they get the flag guy who made first contact and question him hard.

nikcers
08-14-2017, 07:16 PM
Uhm, the gulf of Tonkin was 13 years before that. Hell the USS Maine incident was 70 years before the USS liberty and well before the current state of Israel existed.
Are you saying that Jews aren't responsible for all the wars in the world? I don't know if that's the argument that he was trying to make.

RJB
08-14-2017, 07:16 PM
I'm slightly less sure that he's innocent after watching more video. I saw the video from behind the car, looking down the street and the object he gets hit with is a flag pole. It looks pretty light to me. After that there's a gap between the "behind the car" angle and the more common "looking at the right side of the car" angle. I don't see any major damage to the car after it hits the car in front of it. But there's a lot of guys with bats and they must've been right on top of him at the point where he accelerated.

The trial should be interesting. I'll bet they get the flag guy who made first contact and question him hard.

This guy had verbal threats, sent a woman to the hospital and months of rehab and got a misdemeanor.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX0Qvk7YbnU

phill4paul
08-14-2017, 07:20 PM
I'll bet they get the flag guy who made first contact and question him hard.

Bet they don't.

brandon
08-14-2017, 07:28 PM
It seems like this guy was probably mentally ill, and slightly provoked. Not making excuses. He'll do his time in jail or an asylum or whatever.

It seems like a distraction from the bigger issue. We have 1000s of violent anti-white, anti-male SJWs routinely clashing with 1000s of actual nazis and fascists who claim to represent the right. How has our society become so toxic that it has spawned all of these extremists? The media? The identity politics of the democrats? What went wrong?

KEEF
08-14-2017, 07:37 PM
It seems like this guy was probably mentally ill, and slightly provoked. Not making excuses. He'll do his time in jail or an asylum or whatever.

It seems like a distraction from the bigger issue. We have 1000s of violent anti-white, anti-male SJWs routinely clashing with 1000s of actual nazis and fascists who claim to represent the right. How has our society become so toxic that it has spawned all of these extremists? The media? The identity politics of the democrats? What went wrong?
+1

acptulsa
08-14-2017, 07:38 PM
. We have 1000s of violent anti-white, anti-male SJWs routinely clashing with 1000s of actual nazis and fascists who claim to represent the right.

Extremists of that sort have always existed. Always. I don't recall them ever having the time, money and organization to get around the thousands of miles of the U.S. before.

I certainly heard about their ilk being shipped hither and thither by the likes of Stalin and Hitler during their eras and in their territories. But Bolshevik mercenaries traveling the width of this country? Never before.

nikcers
08-14-2017, 07:43 PM
Extremists of that sort have always existed. Always. I don't recall them ever having the time, money and organization to get around the thousands of miles of the U.S. before.

I certainly heard about their ilk being shipped hither and thither by the likes of Stalin and Hitler during their eras and in their territories. But Bolshevik mercenaries traveling the width of this country? Never before.

This is obviously a cooked narrative but I am afraid the lesson of the narrative is less exciting then the Jews. The establishment cooked a narrative during the election that Trump was OK with hate, and some of his supporters were like wow, if Trump is OK with hate then he is OK with me openly hating. I am afraid the morality the media is trying to teach is- is that hate isn't great.

acptulsa
08-14-2017, 07:53 PM
You act like Trump himself didn't deliberately send mixed messages toward that end throughout his campaign.

But I was actually talking somewhat more specifically about Antifa.