The libertarian movement has no affinity with the Unite the Right Rally

[RonPaulMall]

Looks like turnout was well in to the hundreds, and this was just the pregame to the rally planned for tomorrow. Highest ranking Libertarian representative attending the rally, Augustus Invictus, gives a thoughtful interview after the torchlight rally:

https://www.facebook.com/N2Sreports/videos/vb.426269657480929/1489876114453606/?type=3&theater

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[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I never heard of this guy, so watched the whole interview. He said the opposition will outnumber them tomorrow at 3-1. The opposition, he said, numbers 5k, while their numbers are 1,000-1,500. Also said there are cops there from the locales, the state, and federal.

He also said he's been banned from every restaurant in town. LOL, I guess you're making an impact and people are paying attention when that happens.

[RonPaulMall]

I think the right can handle 3-1 odds. Unite the Right had about a 25-1 advantage over Antifa tonight. Antifa was rattled:

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[dannno]

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[dannno]

I think the right can handle 3-1 odds. Unite the Right had about a 25-1 advantage over Antifa tonight. Antifa was rattled:

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Bots can't go to the event, dude.

[goldenequity]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TAJlonlNX8




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RZqu-hZyFw



compilation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ABeRg2iTjc



march

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVc1hvD6mCw

[phill4paul]

Inevitable push back. I do not wish to see the statues commemorating the Confederacy consigned to the junk heaps. Unfortunately, the battle being fought over them is not truly about them.

[goldenequity]

another paradigm shift for America. A big one.

I haven't been back to r_Donald since 'Moonbat' was 'liked' to the Top page.
it was a 'wake the fuuccckkk up' moment for me....
the 'snowflake' thing was fun for awhile....
but
like we we were all taught:
"It's only fun until someone get's hurt."

Here is the link https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/
You can watch the front page yourself.
Any denouncement will never get to the front...
it won't have a chance.
it's scrubbed before it gets to 'new'.


The Antifa laughing and mocking post at #7 spot has 2788 likes
ha. ha. ha. :(

[tod evans]

another paradigm shift for America. A big one.

I haven't been back to r_Donald since 'Moonbat' was 'liked' to the Top page.
it was a 'wake the fuuccckkk up' moment for me....
the 'snowflake' thing was fun for awhile....
but
like we we were all taught:
"It's only fun until someone get's hurt."

Here is the link https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/
You can watch the front page yourself.
Any denouncement will never get to the front...
it won't have a chance.
it's scrubbed before it gets to 'new'.


The Antifa laughing and mocking post at #7 spot has 2788 likes
ha. ha. ha. :(

Wut?

Care to translate for a non-techie who has absolutely no idea what you just typed?

[presence]

Highest ranking Libertarian representative


LOL

[goldenequity]

Wut?
Care to translate for a non-techie who has absolutely no idea what you just typed?

Srry. I'm sure danno knows what I just said.

hmmm.. where to start... what don't you understand?

[tod evans]

Srry. I'm sure danno knows what I just said.

hmmm.. where to start... what don't you understand?

Pretty much the whole thing...

Is it just discussion about another forum or is there something else?

[specsaregood]

Wut?

Care to translate for a non-techie who has absolutely no idea what you just typed?

I'm a techie and I have no idea what that mess was supposed to mean either.

[goldenequity]

I'll just leave it as a toss off/move on post... don't give it another thot.

[TheCount]

Highest ranking Libertarian representative attending the rally, Augustus Invictus, gives a thoughtful interview after the torchlight rally: How can he be a Libertarian representative when he ragequit the party and became a Republican after losing his primary by a margin of 50 points?


Also, did he come to the rally bearing revolution? Still waiting on that.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

How can he be a Libertarian representative when he ragequit the party and became a Republican after losing his primary by a margin of 50 points?


Also, did he come to the rally bearing revolution? Still waiting on that.



How come you're not up with your Antifa progressive friends?

[specsaregood]

there is a live news feed on this page.
http://wjla.com/news/local/white-nationalist-group-holding-rally-in-virginia-to-protest-confederate-statue-removal

looks like a total circus

[juleswin]

Everybody knows how I feel about the Nazi i.e. I don't buy the dumb dumb evil portrayal of them by mainstream historians. But if I would go home immediately if I ever find myself in a rally with people throwing up the Nazi salute.

Sadly, these people protesting the statue take down are hurting their cause when they try to incorporate anything Nazi to their group.

[specsaregood]

there is a live news feed on this page.
http://wjla.com/news/local/white-nationalist-group-holding-rally-in-virginia-to-protest-confederate-statue-removal

looks like a total circus

smoke cannisters being thrown now

[Danke]

They need to knock it off with the Nazi salute.

[specsaregood]

They need to knock it off with the Nazi salute.

so they should hide who they are?

[goldenequity]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Bftlvh1qs

[specsaregood]

cop is announcing that it has been declared an unlawful assembly and warning them to git out

[Danke]

so they should hide who they are?

All of them are Nazis? I suspect it is the cop infiltrators for the most part.

[specsaregood]

All of them are Nazis? I suspect it is the cop infuriators for the most part.

maybe, but I cant see anybody other than a Nazi or an undercover cop throwing up the salut and the cops are probably Nazis too, so yeah.

[specsaregood]

cop is announcing that it has been declared an unlawful assembly and warning them to git out

well I guess that is the end of that, the real Nazi storm troopers are now marching in with their shields

[juleswin]

All of them are Nazis? I suspect it is the cop infiltrators for the most part.

The truth is that most likely none of them are Nazi, they are pretend Nazis just trying to poison the well and destroy whatever goodwill they have about saving the statues. Those statues would definitely come down now that they have made it clear to anyone who was still on the fence that these statues are supported by "real" Nazi. Save for pedophiles, Nazis would be the most hated group in society. They are associated with genocide, war, dictatorship, racism, socialism, atheism and just about any isms that denotes evil.

Stay away from these lot, nothing good can come out of any association with them.

[Origanalist]

They need to knock it off with the Nazi salute.

Nah, MAGA.

[Origanalist]

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[phill4paul]

All of them are Nazis? I suspect it is the cop infiltrators for the most part.

No. Couldn't be any of the white nationalists. They would never do a Nazi salute would they? Not something one of the rally headliners would do is it? :rolleyes:

https://www.splcenter.org/sites/default/files/extremist_profile_images/peinovich.jpeg

[phill4paul]

If you don't care to hear the MSM spin and want to watch from the alt-right angle the Baked Alaska's live stream is up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttM3_bqjHMo

Also Red Elephant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aGuKz2bc58

[phill4paul]

It seems the police declared the permitted rally "unlawful" and forced removal from Emancipation park. The rally participants are headed to another location claiming they won't be silenced.

[presence]

All of them are Nazis?


Chanting 'blood and soil!'


http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-white-virginia-rally-20170811-story.html

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[Danke]

No. Couldn't be any of the white nationalists. They would never do a Nazi salute would they? Not something one of the rally headliners would do is it? :rolleyes:

https://www.splcenter.org/sites/default/files/extremist_profile_images/peinovich.jpeg

I think a lot of that is to troll the media and liberals.

[Anti Federalist]

Keep calling people Nazis and they tend to decide, "well, fuck it, you're gonna call us Nazis might as well act like them".

[KrokHead]

This greatly undermines conservatism. Fucking retards.

[RonPaulMall]

This greatly undermines conservatism. $#@!ing retards.

United hundreds if not thousands of young Conservatives to attend an in real life event. Everyone was well dressed and articulate. Showed Antifa to be the violent scum that they are and when Antifa attacked we more than handled ourselves. I'd rate the even t as glorious. Government shutting it down as soon as it started is obviously an issue that has to be addressed, and will in time. But the fact they felt the need to shut it down so quickly proves they are afraid.

[phill4paul]

From what I've seen if the Unite the Right participants had been allowed to peaceably assemble in the manner they were permitted for then this wouldn't have been an issue. I put all the blame on the city of Charlottesville and the Governor for allowing this situation to get out of hand. I'm sure it was intended. The participants were funneled to the park in such a way that they came nose to nose up against counter-protesters blocking their lawful entry to the park. I've got no truck with white nationalists but in this I support them.

[Antischism]

Restating the Obvious: An Open Letter from the Libertarian Movement


Today (August 12th, 2017), the “Unite the Right” rally is scheduled to proceed in Charlottesville, VA. The “Right” being united there isn’t just any “Right,” but one that welcomes white supremacists and self-described fascists. Multiple speakers will say this themselves, and the chants at a chaotic pre-event march the night before included Neo-Nazi slogans.

The purpose of this letter is to clarify the role for libertarianism in this rally – which is no role at all.

That clarification is necessary because it might appear otherwise. Three of the listed speakers have at one time or another identified as libertarians: Mike Enoch, Augustus Invictus, and Christopher Cantwell. Mike Enoch previously called himself a libertarian, but now mocks the philosophy as “autistic.” Augustus Invictus previously attempted to run for Senate through the Libertarian Party. Recently, though, he publicly changed his registration to Republican in disgust. Christopher Cantwell now seems ambivalent about his relationship with libertarianism and anarchism, but his primary identification is with fascism.

Regardless of how any speakers or attendees have identified in the past or present, we want to make clear that this event is not in any way a place for libertarianism. Among libertarians, some identify as “right-wing,” some as “left-wing,” and some as “radical centrists.” Virtually the entire outside political spectrum is mirrored within libertarianism, and this makes for no shortage of infighting. One area where the undersigned have consensus, however, is in a rejection of any attempt to connect white supremacy and fascism to libertarianism. Libertarians, including those who see themselves as on “the Right,” have no interest in uniting with the horrifically authoritarian “Right” – often called the “Alt-Right” – rallying in Charlottesville.

All this should be exceedingly obvious from even a cursory glance at the two movements.

On a historical note, modern-day libertarianism largely took root in the English-speaking world through Jewish intellectuals, some of whom fled the Nazis. Our movement grew as a revolt against fascism, Communism, and early twentieth-century progressivism. As Thomas Leonard has shown in his Illiberal Reformers, that third enemy’s intellectual history is closely interwoven with eugenics.

On the level of philosophy, libertarianism stresses the freedom of individuals even when that freedom goes against some supposed collective will. The entire point behind a politics of white supremacy is to replace free association with endless central planning and regulation on collectivist racial grounds. “Unite the Right” speaker Richard Spencer actively seeks to turn the United States into a 100% white ethno-state. It is impossible to conceive of this happening without a return of the total state and its horrors.

Despite the obvious incompatibility of that totalitarianism and libertarianism (of any kind), an attempted association between the two is unsurprising. Attempts at rebooting authoritarian movements often operate through a tactic called entryism. Entryism is where a smaller political movement attempts to capture a larger one and seize its resources. In cases like fascism and Communism, the tendency towards entryism is probably a joint product of amoral opportunism and an inability to rationally defend their views.

It is necessary, then, for libertarians to restate the exceedingly obvious and insist on the stark differences between our views and those of anyone with any affinity for National Socialist Germany.

We, the undersigned, affirm such a gulf between liberty and its opposite.

https://libertyagainstfascism.wordpress.com/

[pcosmar]

Keep calling people Nazis and they tend to decide, "well, $#@! it, you're gonna call us Nazis might as well act like them".

works the other way round with me..

I call it as I see it.

but they seem to be coming out of the wood work. from both sides.

[Anti Federalist]

works the other way round with me..

but they seem to be coming out of the wood work. from both sides.

You'd think something might happen, but it never really does, other than a "push me push you".

One side is scared and the other glad over it.

[Anti Federalist]

From what I've seen if the Unite the Right participants had been allowed to peaceably assemble in the manner they were permitted for then this wouldn't have been an issue. I put all the blame on the city of Charlottesville and the Governor for allowing this situation to get out of hand. I'm sure it was intended. The participants were funneled to the park in such a way that they came nose to nose up against counter-protesters blocking their lawful entry to the park. I've got no truck with white nationalists but in this I support them.

Looks that way, doesn't it.

[pcosmar]

You'd think something might happen, but it never really does, other than a "push me push you".

One side is scared and the other glad over it.
It will get worse. and then escalate.

And it is expected,, as it was predicted long ago.


We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.

Ponder.
is a hoax still a hoax when it becomes truth?

[phill4paul]

Looks that way, doesn't it.

Absolutely. And then they sat back and watched things escalate to the point both sides went at it and gave them the impetus they needed to shut down the rally.

[FSP-Rebel]

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[RonPaulMall]

UnitetheRight went home over an hour ago, but Black Lives Matter protest on the streets got a little interesting. Fatih Goldy needs to get her hot little ass out of there. Middle of violent Antifa iand BLMs is no place for a lady. :

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[angelatc]

Looks like turnout was well in to the hundreds, and this was just the pregame to the rally planned for tomorrow. Highest ranking Libertarian representative attending the rally, Augustus Invictus,...]

Just a week or so ago there was a thread announcing he was joining the GOP. (That's the only place I know the name from.)

[specsaregood]

UnitetheRight went home over an hour ago, but Black Lives Matter protest on the streets got a little interesting. Fatih Goldy needs to get her hot little ass out of there. Middle of violent Antifa iand BLMs is no place for a lady. :

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blacked out windows and not plates? that wasn't spur of the moment.

edit: ah there are plates

[Southron]

I was there. It was a setup
....

[phill4paul]

I was there. It was a setup
....

Sure it was. Anyone that doesn't see that is blind.

[Dr.3D]

I suspect all of this is compliments of George Soros.
https://s17-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FGf LkJ9unec0%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&sp=61a89ce84aa9ce5ab915e642a292c01d

[Danke]

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2017/08/12/attack%20car.jpg

[Danke]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-12/caught-tape-car-plows-virginia-crowd-multiple-injuries

[juleswin]

I was there. It was a setup
....

I wouldn't be surprised if the organizers of "Unite the right" were part of the planning(setup). Unless they are morons, they knew from the start that you cannot unite any group while flying the white nationalist/nazi flags. You will already lose a great number of whites and for non whites? forget about it. The truth is that there are some issues where you cannot and one shouldn't attempt to unite a large body of people. Abortion is one, religion is two and ethnic nationalism is somewhere in the top 5.

The people that I am sorry for are the people who genuinely want to preserve these monuments that are not useful idiots or morons who got caught up in tis whole mess.

[Southron]

I'll write up a post of what I saw from being with the Alt-right guys when I get home in several hours but what I saw from the Virginia State Police was dirty. I lost what little respect I had for them.

[phill4paul]

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2017/08/12/attack%20car.jpg

Reports said there was no license plate. Looks like there is one to me.

[Dr.3D]

Reports said there was no license plate. Looks like there is one to me.
That's one of the cars that was hit.

[Dr.3D]

Am I correct that one group had a permit to protest the removal of the statues?

Seems like somebody decided to send in a second group to protest the group with the permit.

Takes two to tango, so who bused in the second group? That's who should be blamed.

[phill4paul]

I'll write up a post of what I saw from being with the Alt-right guys when I get home in several hours but what I saw from the Virginia State Police was dirty. I lost what little respect I had for them.

Lol. Well a least out of this whole affair there is this. Welcome.

[specsaregood]

That's one of the cars that was hit.

uhm, seeing as people are still in the air from being hit by it, I'm pretty sure that is the car that hit them.

[Dr.3D]

uhm, seeing as people are still in the air from being hit by it, I'm pretty sure that is the car that hit them.
Yeah, I could be wrong.

[phill4paul]

Am I correct that one group had a permit to protest the removal of the statues?

Seems like somebody decided to send in a second group to protest the group with the permit.

Takes two to tango, so who bused in the second group? That's who should be blamed.

Yes. The Unite the Right group got a permit to hold an assembly in Emancipation Park. Emancipation Park was formerly known as Lee Park after confederate General Robert E. Lee. The city council changed the name and then also decided to remove the statue of Robert E. Lee that is still in the park. White nationalists decided that this should be ground zero and obtained a permit. The city council after issuing the permit decided to move the rally to McIntyre park. The white nationalist coalition challenged it, the ACLU got behind them, and a federal judge decided the rally had to go ahead as permitted. Liberal special interest groups opposed to the white nationalist special interest groups decided to counter protest. The government decided to let them go head to head before stepping in. The two groups were purposely routed into each others path by cops. Then the cops stood back. And waited. For what eventually would happen.

[Dr.3D]

Yes. The Unite the Right group got a permit to hold an assembly in Emancipation Park. Emancipation Park was formerly known as Lee Park after confederate General Robert E. Lee. The city council changed the name and then also decided to remove the statue of Robert E. Lee that is still in the park. White nationalists decided that this should be ground zero and obtained a permit. The city council after issuing the permit decided to move the rally to McIntyre park. The white nationalist coalition challenged it, the ACLU got behind them, and a federal judge decided the rally had to go ahead as permitted. Liberal special interest groups opposed to the white nationalist special interest groups decided to counter protest. The government decided to let them go head to head before stepping in. The two groups were purposely routed into each others path by cops. Then the cops stood back. And waited. For what eventually would happen.

Thank you. That answered my question.

Both groups are wrong but the third group that allowed the conflict is really to blame.

[phill4paul]

Thank you. That answered my question.

Both groups are wrong but the third group that allowed the conflict is really to blame.

Absolutely. This whole situation was fomented by special interests. Everyone involved were dupes.

[specsaregood]

interesting thread title change, I wonder what prompted that.

[Bryan]

interesting thread title change, I wonder what prompted that.
Technical limits when putting a post on the front page.

Eta, still a good headline to drive the point home.

[tod evans]

From Drudge;



Police helicopter circling anti-Nazi protest in Charlottesville crashes in woods and explodes into flames

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/charlottesville-protests-police-helicopter-crash-10979445


A pilot and another person are feared dead after a police helicopter crashed and exploded into flames amid violent counter-demonstrations in Charlottesville, Virginia.

Two people were on board the aircraft when it went down in a wooded area south-west of the city.

A photo posted online purported to show the wreckage in a ball of flames, while other images showed smoke billowing into the air and part of the helicopter stuck in a tree.

A witness said the helicopter spiralled to the ground after it stalled and went out of control.

People who live near the scene told the Daily Progress that the helicopter hovered low over houses before crashing.


"This was terrorism": One protester confirmed dead after 'motorist deliberately drives into anti-Nazi activists' at white supremacist rally
Witnesses told local media that the Virginia State Police helicopter, a Bell 407, crashed near a golf course.

Witness Emma Eisner, who captured video of smoke rising into the air, wrote on Twitter: "To everyone asking about the helicopter crash: it basically started stalling, spiraled down to the ground & lost control ."

Horrifying scenes as car ploughs into anti-Nazi activists after white supremacist rally descends into mass brawl
A police helicopter had been seen earlier in the day circling over the counter-demonstrations in Charlottesville.

The helicopter went down at about 5pm local time seven miles from Charlottesville, in Albemarle County, and away from the site of the protests where one person was killed and 34 others injured.

The Federal Aviation Administration and National Transportation Safety Board are investigating the crash.


The horrific incident was captured on camera, showing people being thrown into the air and receiving help on the floor in the aftermath.


White supremacists chanted "You will not erase us" and anti-fascist demonstrators carried signs reading "Nazi go home" and "Smash white supremacy".

[RJB]

A lot of "what the hell is going on?" is going on today.

One of the few stories of good will that happened today: A brutal Rep War was averted between me and Lamp. Thank goodness for some peaceful resolutions.

[juleswin]

Thank you. That answered my question.

Both groups are wrong but the third group that allowed the conflict is really to blame.

Technically, the white supremacist group is not wrong in this story. They have permit to peacefully protest and they were doing just that up until they were confronted by anti fascist group(whatever that means). I won't fault them for refusing to share their protest time with their opponents.

[specsaregood]

Technically, the white supremacist group is not wrong in this story. They have permit to peacefully protest and they were doing just that up until they were confronted by anti fascist group(whatever that means). I won't fault them for refusing to share their protest time with their opponents.

Having watched the feeds, I saw nothing that indicated any of them were "supremacist" anything. Sure, some/many might have been racist but that doesn't imply supremacist. In fact, most were simply asking for equality.

[juleswin]

Having watched the feeds, I saw nothing that indicated any of them were "supremacist" anything. Sure, some/many might have been racist but that doesn't imply supremacist. In fact, most were simply asking for equality.

You are right, I meant to say nationalists not supremacists.

[phill4paul]

Having watched the feeds, I saw nothing that indicated any of them were "supremacist" anything. Sure, some/many might have been racist but that doesn't imply supremacist. In fact, most were simply asking for equality.

Well, they self describe as white nationalists. I think that qualifies as supremacist. No?

[Swordsmyth]

Well, they self describe as white nationalists. I think that qualifies as supremacist. No?
Not necessarily.
Note: I want nothing to do with these nuts, the fact that we share some enemies does not make them my friends.

[r3volution 3.0]

Highest ranking Libertarian representative attending the rally, Augustus Invictus

LOL

[specsaregood]

Well, they self describe as white nationalists. I think that qualifies as supremacist. No?

I dont think so. i can not want to live with or associate with you without thinking i should have dominion over you.

[Anti Federalist]

cop is announcing that it has been declared an unlawful assembly and warning them to git out


or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Fight fascism by becoming...fascist?

[Anti Federalist]

From Drudge;

Police helicopter circling anti-Nazi protest in Charlottesville crashes in woods and explodes into flames

http://media.yourdailymedia.com/4/and-this-is-for-shooting-down-police-helicopters.jpg

[Anti Federalist]

Keep poking motherfuckers...

THE WRATH OF THE AWAKENED SAXON

by Rudyard Kipling

It was not part of their blood,
It came to them very late,
With long arrears to make good,
When the Saxon began to hate.

They were not easily moved,
They were icy -- willing to wait
Till every count should be proved,
Ere the Saxon began to hate.

Their voices were even and low.
Their eyes were level and straight.
There was neither sign nor show
When the Saxon began to hate.

It was not preached to the crowd.
It was not taught by the state.
No man spoke it aloud
When the Saxon began to hate.

It was not suddently bred.
It will not swiftly abate.
Through the chilled years ahead,
When Time shall count from the date
That the Saxon began to hate.

[RonPaulMall]

Thank you. That answered my question.

Both groups are wrong but the third group that allowed the conflict is really to blame.

Should also be noted that the permitted rally at the Park was scheduled to begin at 12. City declared state of emergency and proclaimed everything an unlawful assembly around 11:55. Right was never allowed to enter park. Instead they were funneled to antifa who violently threw things at them and then were broken up in to smaller groups to further put our guys at a disadvantage. Right spent the next half hour or so walking back to cars and hotels being pestered by cops telling them anyone outside would be arrested. Cops allowed antifa to stay. That's why when the accident occurred all you see in the streets are Antifa. Remember, a state of emergency had been declared hours ago by that point, and everyone was supposed to clear the streets on pain of arrest. But Antifa is still there as if nothing happened and cops are doing nothing. Total screw job. Basically, Right showed, up, got spit on, left, and then somehow Antifa and the Cops managed to kill three of their own people without us even being there! Total and complete victory for our side.

[r3volution 3.0]

Today (August 12th, 2017), the “Unite the Right” rally is scheduled to proceed in Charlottesville, VA. The “Right” being united there isn’t just any “Right,” but one that welcomes white supremacists and self-described fascists. Multiple speakers will say this themselves, and the chants at a chaotic pre-event march the night before included Neo-Nazi slogans.

The purpose of this letter is to clarify the role for libertarianism in this rally – which is no role at all.

That clarification is necessary because it might appear otherwise. Three of the listed speakers have at one time or another identified as libertarians: Mike Enoch, Augustus Invictus, and Christopher Cantwell. Mike Enoch previously called himself a libertarian, but now mocks the philosophy as “autistic.” Augustus Invictus previously attempted to run for Senate through the Libertarian Party. Recently, though, he publicly changed his registration to Republican in disgust. Christopher Cantwell now seems ambivalent about his relationship with libertarianism and anarchism, but his primary identification is with fascism.

Regardless of how any speakers or attendees have identified in the past or present, we want to make clear that this event is not in any way a place for libertarianism. Among libertarians, some identify as “right-wing,” some as “left-wing,” and some as “radical centrists.” Virtually the entire outside political spectrum is mirrored within libertarianism, and this makes for no shortage of infighting. One area where the undersigned have consensus, however, is in a rejection of any attempt to connect white supremacy and fascism to libertarianism. Libertarians, including those who see themselves as on “the Right,” have no interest in uniting with the horrifically authoritarian “Right” – often called the “Alt-Right” – rallying in Charlottesville.

All this should be exceedingly obvious from even a cursory glance at the two movements.

On a historical note, modern-day libertarianism largely took root in the English-speaking world through Jewish intellectuals, some of whom fled the Nazis. Our movement grew as a revolt against fascism, Communism, and early twentieth-century progressivism. As Thomas Leonard has shown in his Illiberal Reformers, that third enemy’s intellectual history is closely interwoven with eugenics.

On the level of philosophy, libertarianism stresses the freedom of individuals even when that freedom goes against some supposed collective will. The entire point behind a politics of white supremacy is to replace free association with endless central planning and regulation on collectivist racial grounds. “Unite the Right” speaker Richard Spencer actively seeks to turn the United States into a 100% white ethno-state. It is impossible to conceive of this happening without a return of the total state and its horrors.

Despite the obvious incompatibility of that totalitarianism and libertarianism (of any kind), an attempted association between the two is unsurprising. Attempts at rebooting authoritarian movements often operate through a tactic called entryism. Entryism is where a smaller political movement attempts to capture a larger one and seize its resources. In cases like fascism and Communism, the tendency towards entryism is probably a joint product of amoral opportunism and an inability to rationally defend their views.

It is necessary, then, for libertarians to restate the exceedingly obvious and insist on the stark differences between our views and those of anyone with any affinity for National Socialist Germany.

We, the undersigned, affirm such a gulf between liberty and its opposite.


Hear Hear

[jmdrake]

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Origanalist again.

[RonPaulMall]

Hear Hear

Says the fascists who prevented Augustus Invictus from running for Senate, lol.

[Dr.3D]

Strange how the media is blaming the group with the permit when there would have been no violence had BLM not been brought in.

There should be an investigation as to how BLM came to be there. Whoever it was, who brought them to protest the rally should be the one who should be punished.

[Southron]

Alright here's what I saw from being with the Alt-Right guys who were actually able to make it to the park.

After 10AM we started moving towards Lee Park with several hundred people. We didn't make up everyone who attended but we had quite a force and riot shields up front. Antifa was completely blocking the stair entrance to Lee Park. The Virginia State Police were nowhere to be seen keeping anyone apart. We were able to push our way up to the rally point. Many people got spat on and maced and pepper sprayed in the face trying to enter the park by Antifa, including at least one camera man (from Infowars I think) Dozens of people were treated by medics in the groups to counteract the sprays. With that stuff in your eyes and nose you are pretty much helpless. Our guys were pretty much attacked the entire way up. As a side note, we were told there was an anti mask law in Virginia and that anyone wearing gas masks would be arrested so not everyone was equipped for the Antifa attacks. Of course many Antifa were seen wearing masks and I didn't see any arrested.

Once we got into Lee Park it became more apparent that they may not let the rally take place. Most of the park was barricaded and the people attending the rally were forced to stay pretty close to Antifa. Lee's statue was behind the barricade so we couldn't really get that close to it. Interestingly enough, almost all the State Police were positioned not in between Antifa and the rally, but behind the Alt-right guys. While we had our own people blocking the entrance and keeping Antifa from coming up once we got in position, they pretty much continued to attack the entire time. They had homemade concoctions of some kind that they kept hurling at people up front. They threw rocks, urine, bottles and I think some sort of tear gas at us. A few times it was hard to breathe. I was told one guy got pulled into the Antifa crowd by several people and beaten pretty badly. This entire time the police just watched, mostly from behind us.

After we made it to the park I'm not sure if any smaller groups were able to make it in. I spoke with a couple fellows who arrived late and had small numbers and were attacked by Antifa and they never made it to the rally spot.

At some, I believe Antifa starting hurling some kind of tear gas and all the Virginia State police started backing up even further than they already were and sometime after 11:00 the Virginia State Police (who were still behind us) got on the bull horn and said it had been declared an "unlawful assembly" and we had 10 minutes to leave the park or be arrested. Well, then they finally started to go into action. They formed a long line behind us with riot shields and started inching towards us, forcing us towards the Antifa who were still attacking people. (So to stop this "violence" they were forcing us into the people committing violence?) At this point I'm not sure exactly what happened, but I know their barricades were knocked down because we had to get out of the park another way. I don't know how many people had to go down through Antifa as the groups all became fragmented at this point with the police pushing in with nowhere to go. We were unable to walk back to parking so I think most people had to be picked up from a different location. It appeared that Antifa was allowed to stay but they forced us out.

It seems that they had no attention of ever letting the rally take place. They had most of the park barricaded off, forced us to be right on top of Antifa while ignoring attacks, and positioned themselves right behind us so they could push us right back into them. If I believed in Karma, I might say that's what the State Police helicopter crash was....

[anaconda]

The main stream media tells me today that many prominent Republicans are disappointed that Trump did not denounce both white supremacists and the alt right. I didn't realize they were the same thing until the main stream media corrected my thinking today.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/12/politics/trump-fails-to-condemn-the-alt-right-white-supremacists/index.html

[Brett85]

The white nationalist movement doesn't have anything in common with libertarianism, but I still support their right to speak freely under the 1st Amendment. It's scary that so many people now seem to think that committing acts of violence against white nationalists is acceptable just because they have abhorrent views.

[AuH20]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=wtGrk2F10cI

[AuH20]

White supremacy is a total canard. Fed speak. The true white supremacist population is minuscule, but the corporate media will never tell you this.

[AuH20]

Look at these pathetic responses. I feel icky even retweeting. They sound like dolls when you pull the string in their backs.

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[Southron]

The white nationalist movement doesn't have anything in common with libertarianism, but I still support their right to speak freely under the 1st Amendment. It's scary that so many people now seem to think that committing acts of violence against white nationalists is acceptable just because they have abhorrent views.

I'm not a WN but stuff that happened today is just going to radicalise more young people and push more of them into the WN camp. I have met several of them and I think many of them, had they been born a decade earlier, may have been libertarians. It really is becoming "us vs them" for many of these guys.

[Origanalist]

Yes. The Unite the Right group got a permit to hold an assembly in Emancipation Park. Emancipation Park was formerly known as Lee Park after confederate General Robert E. Lee. The city council changed the name and then also decided to remove the statue of Robert E. Lee that is still in the park. White nationalists decided that this should be ground zero and obtained a permit. The city council after issuing the permit decided to move the rally to McIntyre park. The white nationalist coalition challenged it, the ACLU got behind them, and a federal judge decided the rally had to go ahead as permitted. Liberal special interest groups opposed to the white nationalist special interest groups decided to counter protest. The government decided to let them go head to head before stepping in. The two groups were purposely routed into each others path by cops. Then the cops stood back. And waited. For what eventually would happen.

White nationalists. Why would they be against the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee? Maybe they're white separatists? Isn't removing all things celebrating Southern history in line with being a 'nationalist'? Because we all know the South tried to break up this glorious nation.

[phill4paul]

White nationalists. Why would they be against the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee? Maybe they're white separatists? Isn't removing all things celebrating Southern history in line with being a 'nationalist'? Because we all know the South tried to break up this glorious nation.

Bongo-bingo. Bingo-bongo.

[Southron]

So any rally can be shutdown in Virginia as long as the Governor declares a state of emergency?

[Origanalist]

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[TheCount]

White nationalists. Why would they be against the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee? Maybe they're white separatists? Isn't removing all things celebrating Southern history in line with being a 'nationalist'? Because we all know the South tried to break up this glorious nation.

It turns out that they're not very smart.

[Wooden Indian]

Absolutely. This whole situation was fomented by special interests. Everyone involved were dupes.

And the beat goes on...

[anaconda]

The MSM is lumping the "alt right" in with the white supremacists after the rally. No surprise. The MSM seems to be making all of the same mistakes that they made last year. They just never learn.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Instead of rephrasing my post in the other thread, I'll just repost it:


The alt-right continues to be the most idiotic, poorly run, self-sabotaging bunch of morons I've ever seen. Words cannot express how much my opinion of this "movement" has soured since the beginning of the year. My opinions on race and immigration are unchanged and I continue to move rightward, but the alt-right is a fucking dumpster fire that no thinking person should take seriously.

Says it all, really.


White nationalists. Why would they be against the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee? Maybe they're white separatists? Isn't removing all things celebrating Southern history in line with being a 'nationalist'? Because we all know the South tried to break up this glorious nation.
They're not American nationalists. Plenty of them want to give Mexico back California and Texas and let the progs have New York. On of the most common ideas I've seen is that the WNs get to keep the Northwest.

[Anti Federalist]

Alright here's what I saw from being with the Alt-Right guys who were actually able to make it to the park.

After 10AM we started moving towards Lee Park with several hundred people. We didn't make up everyone who attended but we had quite a force and riot shields up front. Antifa was completely blocking the stair entrance to Lee Park. The Virginia State Police were nowhere to be seen keeping anyone apart. We were able to push our way up to the rally point. Many people got spat on and maced and pepper sprayed in the face trying to enter the park by Antifa, including at least one camera man (from Infowars I think) Dozens of people were treated by medics in the groups to counteract the sprays. With that stuff in your eyes and nose you are pretty much helpless. Our guys were pretty much attacked the entire way up. As a side note, we were told there was an anti mask law in Virginia and that anyone wearing gas masks would be arrested so not everyone was equipped for the Antifa attacks. Of course many Antifa were seen wearing masks and I didn't see any arrested.

Once we got into Lee Park it became more apparent that they may not let the rally take place. Most of the park was barricaded and the people attending the rally were forced to stay pretty close to Antifa. Lee's statue was behind the barricade so we couldn't really get that close to it. Interestingly enough, almost all the State Police were positioned not in between Antifa and the rally, but behind the Alt-right guys. While we had our own people blocking the entrance and keeping Antifa from coming up once we got in position, they pretty much continued to attack the entire time. They had homemade concoctions of some kind that they kept hurling at people up front. They threw rocks, urine, bottles and I think some sort of tear gas at us. A few times it was hard to breathe. I was told one guy got pulled into the Antifa crowd by several people and beaten pretty badly. This entire time the police just watched, mostly from behind us.

After we made it to the park I'm not sure if any smaller groups were able to make it in. I spoke with a couple fellows who arrived late and had small numbers and were attacked by Antifa and they never made it to the rally spot.

At some, I believe Antifa starting hurling some kind of tear gas and all the Virginia State police started backing up even further than they already were and sometime after 11:00 the Virginia State Police (who were still behind us) got on the bull horn and said it had been declared an "unlawful assembly" and we had 10 minutes to leave the park or be arrested. Well, then they finally started to go into action. They formed a long line behind us with riot shields and started inching towards us, forcing us towards the Antifa who were still attacking people. (So to stop this "violence" they were forcing us into the people committing violence?) At this point I'm not sure exactly what happened, but I know their barricades were knocked down because we had to get out of the park another way. I don't know how many people had to go down through Antifa as the groups all became fragmented at this point with the police pushing in with nowhere to go. We were unable to walk back to parking so I think most people had to be picked up from a different location. It appeared that Antifa was allowed to stay but they forced us out.

It seems that they had no attention of ever letting the rally take place. They had most of the park barricaded off, forced us to be right on top of Antifa while ignoring attacks, and positioned themselves right behind us so they could push us right back into them. If I believed in Karma, I might say that's what the State Police helicopter crash was....

Thanks for the update.

[Anti Federalist]

It really is becoming "us vs them" for many of these guys.

And everybody gasps.

We forget that just a few weeks back a mass assassination attempt almost took Rand Paul's life.

[Anti Federalist]

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I would expect no less.

They can fuck themselves and get the fuck back in session and repeal Obamacare.

Or they can drink bleach and die...either way is OK by me.

[Anti Federalist]

They're not American nationalists. Plenty of them want to give Mexico back California and Texas and let the progs have New York. On of the most common ideas I've seen is that the WNs get to keep the Northwest.

I am all in favor of California secession, Texas secession and New York secession.

[Anti Federalist]

The two groups were purposely routed into each others path by cops. Then the cops stood back. And waited. For what eventually would happen.

Since they, "alt right" or whatever, makes it a point to say they "support law enforcement", I wonder what they are thinking now?

Oh well, like I said in the other thread, I'm glad to see this.

I've been hollering for white folks to get off their asses and out in the streets for years now.

About fucking time.

I know it is too much to ask that people would ever come together enough to realize their common enemy, ten long years of disappointment in the "liberty movement" trenches have cured me of that notion.

What I can hope for now is that the communists double down in some way and that it further fuels the notion that "we the people" is, in this day and age, a ridiculous myth, and that the process of political dissolution can begin.

[timosman]

http://www.teamhughesrealestateschool.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/the-sky-is-falling-2.jpg

[devil21]

Absolutely. This whole situation was fomented by special interests. Everyone involved were dupes.

As always. The "leaders" of each group all work for the same team. Divide and conquer while everyone there is being robbed blind and facing a future of abject slavery. Over a statue that is a reminder of slavery (a reminder of what not to do in the future), never mind that EVERYONE is a slave now under the 14th Amendment and how the country itself was stolen in the aftermath of an intentionally fomented Civil War.

But by all means, continue to fight each other instead and repeat history in front of a Civil War statue. The irony is thick.

[lilymc]

I was going to say holy moly… I feel so out of touch with what's been going on in the news lately. And I was going to ask for a Cliff Notes version of what happened.

...but the more I read these threads, the more my initial suspicion seems to be correct.



As always. The "leaders" of each group all work for the same team. Divide and conquer while everyone there is being robbed blind and facing a future of abject slavery. Over a statue that is a reminder of slavery (a reminder of what not to do in the future), never mind that EVERYONE is a slave now under the 14th Amendment and how the country itself was stolen in the aftermath of an intentionally fomented Civil War.

But by all means, continue to fight each other instead and repeat history in front of a Civil War statue. The irony is thick.


^ This.

It's disappointing to me that so many people fall for this stuff.

[tod evans]

Interesting perspective;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA_VBgG60oM

[Origanalist]

Interesting perspective;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA_VBgG60oM

Worth the listen.

[nobody's_hero]

The thing is, I really REALLY find it hard to believe that there are so many white nationalists. We heard practically NOTHING from them in 8 years of Obama president (wouldn't you expect protests every day for his 2 terms? even the crickets weren't chirping), then you tell me they are going to come out in force and protest over removal of a statue they've probably never even looked at.

Good fuel for the narrators, though.

[acptulsa]

There are more than enough racists to create a rally that size. Just because the media didn't have an agenda-driven reason to point cameras at them for eight years doesn't mean they vanished off the face of the earth. I don't for a second believe that's why everyone was there. Being sick of our history being flushed down the Memory Hole probably attracted a number of the participants. A southerner does not have to be racist to revere Robert E. Lee. He was arguably much less racist than a great many of his contemporaries, including Abraham Lincoln.

And if there's an unlikely group that smells of being manufactured by the Powers that Be, it's a bunch of violent liberal anti-fascist fascists who can manage to fly from the west coast to the east coast as needed and have tear gas and pepper spray in hand when they land.

ANTIFA got no permit, threw the first punches, hardly got mentioned by the media, drew no recriminations from the ostensibly Republican president, and doesn't seem to have suffered a single arrest. I don't think it's too hard to see which side of this thing was the organic side and which group was manufactured by The Empire.

[Southron]

Looks like Jason Kessler, the organiser of the rally was mobbed today trying to do a press conference around 2PM.

[H. E. Panqui]

"Highest ranking Libertarian representative attending the rally, Augustus Invictus, gives a thoughtful interview after the torchlight rally:"


:cool:

...i believe you'll find this tone-deaf loudmouth is a member of the stinking rotten republican party inc..if not, the stinking republiclowns deserve him...

[Antischism]

The thing is, I really REALLY find it hard to believe that there are so many white nationalists. We heard practically NOTHING from them in 8 years of Obama president (wouldn't you expect protests every day for his 2 terms? even the crickets weren't chirping), then you tell me they are going to come out in force and protest over removal of a statue they've probably never even looked at.

Good fuel for the narrators, though.

There are plenty of neo-Nazis, white supremacists, etc. in this country. Hell, they're embedded in our very government and police forces. Where do you think these repugnant fucks go when they want cover to beat up, kill, and incarcerate minorities with impunity? No better place than the PD.

They're coming out of the woodwork now because they have a president that has enabled and emboldened them.

[Anti Federalist]

There are plenty of neo-Nazis, white supremacists, etc. in this country. Hell, they're embedded in our very government and police forces. Where do you think these repugnant fucks go when they want cover to beat up, kill, and incarcerate minorities with impunity? No better place than the PD.

They're coming out of the woodwork now because they have a president that has enabled and emboldened them.

How does that reasoning account for the fact that cops kill more white people than black people?

Or the Somali cop that killed the white woman a few weeks back in Minnesota?

Could it possibly be that you're seeing "blowback" from a year now of direct threats from all manner of voices on the left to kill people on the right?

Including a mass assassination attempt that included the son of the man this forum is named after?

[Dr.3D]

So let's see if I have this right...

Let's say I organized an event in a park and get a permit to do it, then even before I have a chance to reach the stage for the event that day, some other group comes in and starts violent attacks on my group and I'm the one who is to blame for the violence?

[acptulsa]

So let's see if I have this right...

Let's say I organized an event in a park and get a permit to do it, then even before I have a chance to reach the stage for the event that day, some other group comes in and starts violent attacks on my group and I'm the one who is to blame for the violence?

That's how it came to be called Fake News.

[Dr.3D]

That's how it came to be called Fake News.
Yes, and folks have been digesting that garbage for years.

[Anti Federalist]

So let's see if I have this right...

Let's say I organized an event in a park and get a permit to do it, then even before I have a chance to reach the stage for the event that day, some other group comes in and starts violent attacks on my group and I'm the one who is to blame for the violence?

You got a problem with that?

Didn't think so...

Move along Mundane.

[Dr.3D]

You got a problem with that?

Didn't think so...

Move along Mundane.
That's part of the problem.....

They couldn't move along, because they were being pushed by the police toward and into the group that was causing the violence.

[Gumba of Liberty]

That's part of the problem.....

They couldn't move along, because they were being pushed by the police toward and into the group that was causing the violence.

Hate White. Hate Black. Hate South. Hate North. Divide. Conquer.

Brought to you by the Bankers and their Minions (MIC, Multi-Nationals, Corporate Media).

Who's ready for Football Season!!

[surf]

I'm not a WN but stuff that happened today is just going to radicalise more young people and push more of them into the WN camp. WN? are you referring to wingnuts?

[Danke]

Hate White. Hate Black. Hate South. Hate North. Divide. Conquer.

Brought to you by the Bankers and their Minions (MIC, Multi-Nationals, Corporate Media).

Who's ready for Football Season!!

Me.

[oyarde]

Me.

Me too , I prefer football to white nationalists , liberals , communists , socialists , national socialists , democrats ,malaria , the plague , snakebite etc.

[surf]

Me too , I prefer football to white nationalists , liberals , communists , socialists , national socialists , democrats ,malaria , the plague , snakebite etc.
it is football season with your Sounders rising up the table (16 points out of their last 6 games!)

[The Rebel Poet]

The main stream media tells me today that many prominent Republicans are disappointed that Trump did not denounce both white supremacists and the alt right. I didn't realize they were the same thing until the main stream media corrected my thinking today.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/12/politics/trump-fails-to-condemn-the-alt-right-white-supremacists/index.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3CsTlH4QOg

[The Rebel Poet]

How does that reasoning account for the fact that cops kill more white people than black people?

Or the Somali cop that killed the white woman a few weeks back in Minnesota?

Could it possibly be that you're seeing "blowback" from a year now of direct threats from all manner of voices on the left to kill people on the right?

Including a mass assassination attempt that included the son of the man this forum is named after?
Because there are more white people in the country. If it was random, those killed would be about 60% white. It's actually less than half.

[Anti Federalist]

Because there are more white people in the country. If it was random, those killed would be about 60% white. It's actually less than half.

If the only reason cops kill us Mundanes is racism, then the number would be zero, or close enough to zero to be statistically insignificant.

[Danke]

Because there are more white people in the country. If it was random, those killed would be about 60% white. It's actually less than half.

No, because blacks commit a disproportionate amount of violent crimes.

[The Rebel Poet]

If the only reason cops kill us Mundanes is racism, then the number would be zero, or close enough to zero to be statistically insignificant.
It's 100% about color and you can't seriously deny that. Blue is all that matters to most cops.

[Swordsmyth]

It's 100% about color and you can't seriously deny that. Blue is all that matters to most cops.
If that is the "color" you mean then you are right, it's the gang mentality and the power trip that are the reverse side of their internal cowardice that causes Kops to kill with such enthusiasm.

[specsaregood]

interesting thread title change, I wonder what prompted that.

Technical limits when putting a post on the front page.
Eta, still a good headline to drive the point home.

I'm not sure I agree. Many people in the "liberty" movement have affinity for the rally that took place.

Definition affinity:



1: relationship by marriage
2.
a : sympathy marked by community of interest
:

b (1) : an attraction to or liking for something

(2)
: an attractive force between substances or particles that causes them to enter into and remain in chemical combination
c : a person especially of the opposite sex having a particular attraction for one

3.
a : likeness based on relationship or causal connection
b : a relation between biological groups involving resemblance in structural plan and indicating a common origin


I at the very least have sympathy for what happened to them. They were law abiding citizens that attempting to exercise their freedom of speech and were attacked, vilified and had the govt work against them.

I would argue some of their goals are the same as mine and many others in the "liberty movement" as well. Certainly not all of them, but to claim there is NO affinity is bullshit. Many of the assholes that attacked them, threw urine on them and maced them would just as soon do it to anybody in the "liberty" bowel movement as well.

[TheCount]

No, because blacks commit a disproportionate amount of violent crimes.
Black neighborhoods have vastly less police presence.

[Anti Federalist]

I'm not sure I agree. Many people in the "liberty" movement have affinity for the rally that took place.

Definition affinity:


I at the very least have sympathy for what happened to them. They were law abiding citizens that attempting to exercise their freedom of speech and were attacked, vilified and had the govt work against them.

I would argue some of their goals are the same as mine and many others in the "liberty movement" as well. Certainly not all of them, but to claim there is NO affinity is bullshit. Many of the assholes that attacked them, threw urine on them and maced them would just as soon do it to anybody in the "liberty" bowel movement as well.

Yup, this.

I'll repeat again, one of their fellow travelers attempted an assassination of the most prominent member of the "liberty movement".

[Anti Federalist]

Black neighborhoods have vastly less police presence.

That's not what BLM says..

Just the opposite in fact.

[RonPaulMall]

The thing is, I really REALLY find it hard to believe that there are so many white nationalists. We heard practically NOTHING from them in 8 years of Obama president (wouldn't you expect protests every day for his 2 terms? even the crickets weren't chirping), then you tell me they are going to come out in force and protest over removal of a statue they've probably never even looked at.

Good fuel for the narrators, though.

First, nobody cared about the statue. That was just the excuse for the rally.

As to where the WN were, they weren't of age. Bulk of the attendees yesterday were part of Generation Zyklon. They are the most radicalized generation in modern American history. 80% support President Trump. And who can blame them? The policies of cucks like Ryan and Hatch have created a situation where that generation is looking a world where if they don't act, America will be a minority white country. Do you know what minority white countries look like? Zimbabwe. South Africa. Best case scenario, Brazil (which is still a hell hole and sinks lower every year). These kids are literally fighting for their survival. They don't have the luxury of being dead when the shit hits the fan (like the Boomer Cucks).

Anyway, Leftist narrative of the car crash now totally falling apart. /Pol/ uncovered video of the car being attacked by a black guy with a bat immediately before it starts accelerating. This is what the police initially told the reporter from The Hill who was on the scene at the Police Station when the guy was brought in- that the accident wasn't malicious and he had been operating out of fear for his own safety:

http://www.departmentofmemes.com/article/protesters-attacked-charlottesville-drivers-car-baseball-bat/

Finally, for a true Libertarian perspective, Augustus Invictus' fireside chat summary of yesterday's events:

https://www.facebook.com/augustus.invictus.3/videos/491523401180760/

[acptulsa]

First, nobody cared about the statue. That was just the excuse for the rally.

Nobody? No locals came because they liked the park the way it is, and hate the idea of crazy California progs pressuring Virginians to change their pretty park? No one believes the Civil War shouldn't be erased, because if we don't learn from our mistakes we will repeat them? No one was there to fight for that statue as a symbol of free speech?

No one at all?

You described your motives. But you didn't describe every attendee's motives.

[Danke]

Black neighborhoods have vastly less police presence.

Not where I live,

[specsaregood]

Black neighborhoods have vastly less police presence.

I'm just wondering if you have ever lived in a black neighborhood. Hell ever spent significant amounts of time in one? Ever been in a long term engagement/situation eg: school where blacks were the majority?

[timosman]

TheCount is trolling - as always.

[kcchiefs6465]

How does that reasoning account for the fact that cops kill more white people than black people?

Or the Somali cop that killed the white woman a few weeks back in Minnesota?

Could it possibly be that you're seeing "blowback" from a year now of direct threats from all manner of voices on the left to kill people on the right?

Including a mass assassination attempt that included the son of the man this forum is named after?
There was an attempt on Rand Paul?

[Swordsmyth]

There was an attempt on Rand Paul?

He was a likely target at the Baseball game shooting that put Scalise in the hospital.

[specsaregood]

There was an attempt on Rand Paul?

The baseball game that was shot up recently, Randal Paul was on the field. If the guy had not been shot, it is very possible Randal would have been killed.

[r3volution 3.0]

Many of the assholes that attacked them, threw urine on them and maced them would just as soon do it to anybody in the "liberty" bowel movement as well.Yup, this.

I'll repeat again, one of their fellow travelers attempted an assassination of the most prominent member of the "liberty movement".

What you're missing is that the other side would do exactly the same thing: and will, when they gain sufficient followers.

...thanks to, dare I say, libertarian "cucks"

[kcchiefs6465]

The baseball game that was shot up recently, Randal Paul was on the field. If the guy had not been shot, it is very possible Randall would have been killed.
Forgot about that. Thanks.

[timosman]

What you're missing is that the other side would do exactly the same thing: and will, when they gain sufficient followers.

...thanks to, dare I say, libertarian "cucks"

I think we've had enough doom and gloom for today.

[specsaregood]

What you're missing is that the other side would do exactly the same thing: and will, when they gain sufficient followers.

...thanks to, dare I say, libertarian "cucks"

I disagree. Because they would be living in their own little separate communities where libertarian cucks wouldn't have to live. And I think the right for white nationalists to live by themselves is a right that all Libertarians would support.

[Danke]

TheCount is trolling - as always.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-Wd-Q3F8KM

[timosman]

I disagree. Because they would be living in their own little separate communities where libertarian cucks wouldn't have to live. And I think the right for white nationalists to live by themselves is a right that all Libertarians would support.

You need to disavow this statement immediately. It is too difficult for most people to parse and could make libertarians look bad. Please make sure also to record your views in this poll - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?514014-Restating-the-Obvious-An-Open-Letter-from-the-Libertarian-Movement . Failure to do so may result in your posting privileges revoked and quite possibly make Rev3.0 very unhappy. /s

[Raginfridus]

First, nobody cared about the statue. That was just the excuse for the rally.

As to where the WN were, they weren't of age. Bulk of the attendees yesterday were part of Generation Zyklon. They are the most radicalized generation in modern American history. 80% support President Trump. And who can blame them? The policies of cucks like Ryan and Hatch have created a situation where that generation is looking a world where if they don't act, America will be a minority white country. Do you know what minority white countries look like?
Dixie was a minority white country. So was Haiti... I see where this going. (Don't get me wrong, Sherman was a bastard. I've read what Savannah was really like before the war.)

The white man's purely the product of ethnic cleansing. Whiteness wouldn't matter a damn, if it wasn't for suburbia: that progressive attempt at post-war, Leninist social engineering (e.g. Levittown, NY). Race is almost moot by comparison to ethnicity. They get no sympathy from me, by selling out to be tools of the Warfare-Wellfare State, which plundered their great grandparents' cultures in the first place. I'd sooner see white America disappear.

[r3volution 3.0]

I disagree. Because they would be living in their own little separate communities where libertarian cucks wouldn't have to live. And I think the right for white nationalists to live by themselves is a right that all Libertarians would support.

No, that is a dream...

What's actually happening is that the alt-right types are actively, consciously, methodically subverting libertarianism.

...so as to claim the "anti-establishment" high ground.

...which, in their case, means the socialistic status quo plus racism.

...and some libertarians are eating it up like the fools the alt-right thinks they are.

[timosman]

Dixie was a minority white country. So was Haiti... I see where this going. (Don't get me wrong, Sherman was a bastard. I've read what Savannah was really like before the war.)

The white man's purely the product of ethnic cleansing. Whiteness wouldn't matter a damn, if it wasn't for suburbia: that progressive attempt at post-war, Leninist social engineering (e.g. Levittown, NY). Race is almost moot by comparison to ethnicity. They get no sympathy from me, by selling out to be tools of the Warfare-Wellfare State, which plundered their great grandparents' cultures in the first place. I'd sooner see white America disappear.

WTF?:rolleyes:

General exception error while parsing this statement.

[timosman]

No, that is a dream...

What's actually happening is that the alt-right types are actively, consciously, methodically subverting libertarianism.

...so as to claim the "anti-establishment" high ground.

...which, in their case, means the socialistic status quo plus racism.

...and some libertarians are eating it up like the fools the alt-right thinks they are.

I am glad there are still people like you to clarify the situation for the unwashed masses. Without you they wouldn't know what to think.

[Raginfridus]

Yes, "white flight" was manufactured. The suburbs were attempts at social engineering, where urban, ethnic neighborhoods were cleared out across the nation, to make way for the DOD's interstate system. The Slaughter of Cities is a great book on the topic. You should get that tic checked.

[Swordsmyth]

Yes, "white flight" was manufactured. The suburbs were attempts at social engineering, where urban, ethnic neighborhoods were cleared out across the nation, to make way for the DOD's interstate system. The Slaughter of Cities is a great book on the topic. You should get that tic checked.
Big cities were the original social engineering project, people should have been living in small to medium towns and villages, so suburbia was actually a step in the right direction however contrived.

[Raginfridus]

Well, ok, go back far enough and tribes were the original social engineering project. Go back further and marriage.

[specsaregood]

Yes, "white flight" was manufactured. The suburbs were attempts at social engineering, where urban, ethnic neighborhoods were cleared out across the nation, to make way for the DOD's interstate system. The Slaughter of Cities is a great book on the topic. You should get that tic checked.

Cities are shitholes. I've lived rurally, in the city and in the suburbs. While I'm a country boy at heart and it would be my first choice, the surburbs aren't too bad. The cities are shitholes I would never live in again.

[Swordsmyth]

Well, ok, go back far enough and tribes were the original social engineering project. Go back further and marriage.
BUNK.
Tribes were organic like an extended family or a wolf pack, marriage was ordained by GOD or if you are an evolutionist instinct.
-Rep

[Raginfridus]

Cities are $#@!holes. I've lived rurally, in the city and in the suburbs. While I'm a country boy at heart and it would be my first choice, the surburbs aren't too bad. The cities are $#@!holes I would never live in again.Its not government's job to decide how we should live, least of all who we should be, and suburbia was designed to do exactly that. There wouldn't have been a suburbia without Leninist social engineers wrecking "shitholes" to justify ethnic cleansing.


BUNK.
Tribes were organic like an extended family or a wolf pack, marriage was ordained by GOD or if you are an evolutionist instinct.
-RepWhere were you going with that exactly? Are English manor houses evenly spaced 16 ft apart and 2.5 children organic?

[TheCount]

That's not what BLM says..

Just the opposite in fact. I believe that their argument is that despite the fact that black neighborhoods have less police presence, blacks have more encounters with police and more of them turn out to be deadly to the "customer."

[TheCount]

I'm just wondering if you have ever lived in a black neighborhood. Hell ever spent significant amounts of time in one? Ever been in a long term engagement/situation eg: school where blacks were the majority?
Yes.

[Swordsmyth]

Its not government's job to decide how we should live, least of all who we should be, and suburbia was designed to do exactly that. There wouldn't have been a suburbia without Leninist social engineers wrecking "$#@!holes" to justify ethnic cleansing.

Where were you going with that exactly? Are English manor houses evenly spaced 16 ft apart and 2.5 children organic?
Cities are not organic, you tried to defend your love of cities by claiming that everything back to tribes and marriage were social experiments which is not true.
Suburbia may not be right but it is better than the big cities you seem to love.

[r3volution 3.0]

Cities are shitholes. I've lived rurally, in the city and in the suburbs. While I'm a country boy at heart and it would be my first choice, the surburbs aren't too bad. The cities are shitholes I would never live in again.

The reality is that cities have always been "shitholes," ...unless you have money (which is why cities exist at all).

London, Paris, or Rome, say, 300 years ago were infinitely shittier (literally, given the sewage situation) than any city today.

...unless you had money.

[specsaregood]

The reality is that cities have always been "shitholes," ...unless you have money (which is why cities exist at all).

London, Paris, or Rome, say, 300 years ago were infinitely shittier (literally, given the sewage situation) than any city today.

...unless you had money.

They are still plenty shitty today. Suburbs would have come about govt intrusion or not.

[r3volution 3.0]

They are still plenty shitty today. Suburbs would have come about govt intrusion or not.

I'd agree on both counts.

To the first, they're shittier than they need to be due to rent control, taxes, etc, etc.

To the second, suburbs are simply a result of the automobile.

Personally, I loathe the suburbs; country or city for me. But whatever floats your boat.

[TheCount]

Personally, I loathe the suburbs; country or city for me. But whatever floats your boat.Agreed; suburbs are the worst of both worlds. They have all of the downsides of a city without any of the benefits. The only reason they exist is because 20th century American culture fetishised tiny yards and huge houses.

[timosman]

country or city for me

I have never heard anybody state their preferences so clearly.

[specsaregood]

Agreed; suburbs are the worst of both worlds. They have all of the downsides of a city without any of the benefits. The only reason they exist is because 20th century American culture fetishised tiny yards and huge houses.

Its combination of some of the best of both worlds as well.

[r3volution 3.0]

Agreed; suburbs are the worst of both worlds. They have all of the downsides of a city without any of the benefits. The only reason they exist is because 20th century American culture fetishised tiny yards and huge houses.

http://www.indiewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-season-11-glenn-howerton.jpg

[TheCount]

Its combination of some of the best of both worlds as well.No. You have neighbors and HOAs, everything is expensive, and yet you still have to drive half an hour+ to get anywhere or do anything. At least in the city you have the advantage of being colocated with work and/or entertainment.

Suburbs are an expression of how little Americans value their own time, such that they would waste hours every day driving to and from work and the things that they want to do in order to have their tiny yards.

[r3volution 3.0]

Suburbs are an expression of how little Americans value their own time, such that they would waste hours every day driving to and from work and the things that they want to do in order to have their tiny yards.

...which they plant with grass, use for nothing, and bitch about mowing.

[TheCount]

...which they plant with grass, use for nothing, and bitch about mowing.
Well, that's because whichever poor bastard spends the most time making that tiny yard the greenest has the biggest suburbian penis, obviously. Just drive an hour each way to work, spend a half hour on your lawn, and in the few remaining free moments of your day you can just stand there and look at how green it is.



(My father-in-law mowed his lawn every other day.)

[specsaregood]

No. You have neighbors and HOAs, everything is expensive, and yet you still have to drive half an hour+ to get anywhere or do anything. At least in the city you have the advantage of being colocated with work and/or entertainment.

Suburbs are an expression of how little Americans value their own time, such that they would waste hours every day driving to and from work and the things that they want to do in order to have their tiny yards.
I've never had to suffer under any HOAs. Certainly don't live in one now. We do have a local member-owned swim club which is nice but its optional. Maybe you have to drive far if you choose poorly. I work from home and DW works 10 minutes away in traffic. And more than enough stuff within a 10 minute drive. You must have lived in some shitty suburbs.


...which they plant with grass, use for nothing, and bitch about mowing.

Most of my neighbors all have decent vegetable gardens, pets, swingsets, pools and other stuff in their yards. I certainly do. Shit, I had to mow acres growing up, I certainly don't feel the need to complain about my "tiny" surburban yard.

[r3volution 3.0]

Well, that's because whichever poor bastard spends the most time making that tiny yard the greenest has the biggest suburbian penis, obviously. Just drive an hour each way to work, spend a half hour on your lawn, and in the few remaining free moments of your day you can just stand there and look at how green it is.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56fabb7c4c2f8533e31693ca/t/572e755f7da24fce826b13e8/1462662497861/1280x800-dark-spring-green-solid-color-background.jpg?format=1500w

Well, it is quite green.

[r3volution 3.0]

Most of my neighbors all have decent vegetable gardens, pets, swingsets, pools and other stuff in their yards. I certainly do. Shit, I had to mow acres growing up, I certainly don't feel the need to complain about my "tiny" surburban yard.

I want either a double digit number of acres or none at all.

...really don't see the point of having just enough to mow but not enough for any privacy, or to escape zoning nonsense, etc.

But, as I said, whatever floats your boat.

[P3ter_Griffin]

I disagree. Because they would be living in their own little separate communities where libertarian cucks wouldn't have to live. And I think the right for white nationalists to live by themselves is a right that all Libertarians would support.

That is what a typical conversation was like with a WN on RPF circa 2014,2015. I have not in the new age of 'no more pc!' seen a WN argue in favor of adherence to property rights.

[specsaregood]

I want either a double digit number of acres or none at all.

...really don't see the point of having just enough to mow but not enough for any privacy, or to escape zoning nonsense, etc.

But, as I said, whatever floats your boat.

Like I said, that would be my first pick as well. But life is full of choices and trade-offs. I find the surburbs to be a decent median. I'll take my 6ft privacy fence, big yard and garden over living in a shithole city.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Screw urban and suburban.






https://i0.wp.com/usa.streetsblog.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2014/06/PP-2014-06-12-polarization-3-01.png?w&crop=0%2C0px%2C100%2Cpx




And this one:


http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/07/05125540/FT_17.07.05_urbanRuralGuns_household.png

[Anti Federalist]

Its not government's job to decide how we should live, least of all who we should be, and suburbia was designed to do exactly that. There wouldn't have been a suburbia without Leninist social engineers wrecking "shitholes" to justify ethnic cleansing.


Agreed; suburbs are the worst of both worlds. They have all of the downsides of a city without any of the benefits. The only reason they exist is because 20th century American culture fetishised tiny yards and huge houses.

"Suburbs" were not invented by the government.

They were a product of railroad land speculation.

The railroads figured that they could buy huge swaths of land in the mostly undeveloped areas outside of big eastern cities, build homes and hotels and resorts and then use their railroads to bring people by the thousands, cheaply, quickly and safely.

They found millions of people eager to do just that, to escape what was, honestly, shit hole living in late 19th big eastern cities. Floods of immigrants packed together in Boston and Philly and NYC led to crime, disease and filth.

To commute daily by safe, speedy train transit to a nice home in the hills of Long Island or Dorchester or the Jersey Shore was a powerful incentive to buy.

Read some of the history of Flagler and Florida, or the history of the LIRR, or Jersey Central RR, just for examples.

This was sixty or seventy years before Robert Moses, commuter parkways and Levittown.

I grew up in a NJ resort town that was "built" by the railroad in the late 19th century.

[Anti Federalist]

Big cities were the original social engineering project, people should have been living in small to medium towns and villages, so suburbia was actually a step in the right direction however contrived.

Not quite.

Again, railroads.

Prior to railroads, cities were limited in size and location to mostly water ports, where supplies could be shipped in on a regular basis.

It was not until railroads began greatly increasing the speed and frequency in which fresh food and supplies could be brought to a city center, did the modern "mega city" come about.

Cities suck for one simple reason: they are filled with people, who generally suck as well, living on top of each other.

To live in a city environment, you have to learn to live with rules and regulations and laws that constrain and limit you at every turn.

It becomes second nature, and before long you are "institutionalized" just as surely as if you were in prison, unable to even comprehend how you could exist outside the boundaries and rules that constrain your existence.

[Anti Federalist]

Look at it this way: Germans = City Dwellers


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3EBs7sCOzo

[jmdrake]

The truth is that there are some issues where you cannot and one shouldn't attempt to unite a large body of people. Abortion is one, religion is two and ethnic nationalism is somewhere in the top 5.

Hmmm....I strongly disagree with you. There are all sorts of people in the pro life movement, for example, that supposedly shouldn't be there. There are pro life feminists and even pro life atheists and pro life lesbians.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-m1hFexLC2Ig/WIjPa_kx8RI/AAAAAAAAAQ0/zxuv-b5W6YMABnnce74A8rewDH-5WufXgCLcB/s1600/16195200_1299864346737559_5599339682575482216_n.jp g

https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/newshour/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Destiny-1024x683.jpg

https://www.liveaction.org/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/FFNVC-Peace-Parade.jpg

http://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/pro-life-group-dropped-from-womens-march-620x395.png

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mL-A-OZU-rI/Vzdnl2QQdKI/AAAAAAAACC4/WSJctVzky9sp2smfXyNM2Z3r4x8e3pZtgCLcB/s1600/march%2Bfor%2Blife%2Bcanada.jpg

https://www.liveaction.org/news/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/alice-paul-feminist.jpg

https://kaylsas.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/fda1191aa6d5485ad27010386d459df3.jpg

http://www.godlessprolifers.org/images/index.gif

http://www.catholicworldreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/1909SecularProL_00000001127.jpg

Yes there is a great divide in this country on abortion, but there was once a great divide in this country on slavery too. Seems odd these days doesn't it? But once upon a time some people were so pro slavery they were willing to go to war to protect it and to institute a draft to force the poor dirt farmers who didn't even own slaves to go and fight too and then turn around and exempt slave owners from the draft, which meant that the Confederacy enslaved white people and black people at the same time.

Now, I used to be pro choice but now I'm pro life. As a black man I feel right at home at a pro life rally. I'm not exactly sure how I could feel at home at a "Let's save America for white people" rally. :confused: I can march in solidarity and find common ground with people of all religions and even no religion. But people who hate me for just being...well...me? No possibility of common ground there.

[specsaregood]

Now, I used to be pro choice but now I'm pro life. As a black man I feel right at home at a pro life rally. I'm not exactly sure how I could feel at home at a "Let's save America for white people" rally. :confused: I can march in solidarity and find common ground with people of all religions and even no religion. But people who hate me for just being...well...me? No possibility of common ground there.

on one of the feeds some of the participants were talking about there being a group of "hotep" people there as party of the rally.

[Antischism]

I see this place has finally transformed into White Nationalist Forums. I think I'm done visiting for good.

[juleswin]

I see this place has finally transformed into White Nationalist Forums. I think I'm done visiting for good.

Come on, stay. It is fun battling these guys. Also, they are not the majority around here, just the loudest.

[specsaregood]

I see this place has finally transformed into White Nationalist Forums. I think I'm done visiting for good.

If that is your impression, then it is probably best you leave.

[jmdrake]

on one of the feeds some of the participants were talking about there being a group of "hotep" people there as party of the rally.

To be honest, this is the first time I heard the term "Hotep" and had to Google it. That said, can you be sure the "Hoteps" weren't with the BLM folks?

http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2016/01/signs-youre-dating-a-hotep-brotha/

[specsaregood]

To be honest, this is the first time I heard the term "Hotep" and had to Google it. That said, can you be sure the "Hoteps" weren't with the BLM folks?

http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2016/01/signs-youre-dating-a-hotep-brotha/

yeah I had to do the same. no they were definitely talking that they were on their "side" and part of the rally. But I can see those types of people supporting the right to create their own specific race communities.

[Antischism]

Come on, stay. It is fun battling these guys. Also, they are not the majority around here, just the loudest.

I find it funny how some of these same people defended Ron Paul when he was attacked over the newsletters, saying the language and racism was antithetical to libertarianism, and that the mainstream media was just out to get him, yet now openly support rebranded white nationalism and use specious reasoning to push that agenda.

I wish I could say it was surprising, but all the traditionalists, racists, and Republicans that were brought into the movement have really poisoned the well.

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

this kind of fear mongering regarding free speech and free thought that automatically uses labels like racist, alt-right, etc etc ,

broadly spread across the media and public life

[juleswin]

this kind of fear mongering regarding free speech and free thought that automatically uses labels like racist, alt-right, etc etc ,

broadly spread across the media and public life

I think its more like him saying "Whoa, I don't like the vibe I am getting around here, I think its time for me to split". The member is not trying to stifle anyone's free speech but speech do have consequences and if you make people uncomfortable, they would leave. He is just using his freedom of speech to express how he feels.

[angelatc]

Says the fascists who prevented Augustus Invictus from running for Senate, lol.

You're him, aren't you?

[angelatc]

this kind of fear mongering regarding free speech and free thought that automatically uses labels like racist, alt-right, etc etc , broadly spread across the media and public life
Life's not fair. This is reality. Labeling is a weapon, and politics is a fight.

[Southron]

Here is a video from a group at Charlottesville that wasn't on any particular side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?sns=fb&v=McKfSoya2zM&app=desktop

[Swordsmyth]

Not quite.

Again, railroads.

Prior to railroads, cities were limited in size and location to mostly water ports, where supplies could be shipped in on a regular basis.

It was not until railroads began greatly increasing the speed and frequency in which fresh food and supplies could be brought to a city center, did the modern "mega city" come about.

Cities suck for one simple reason: they are filled with people, who generally suck as well, living on top of each other.

To live in a city environment, you have to learn to live with rules and regulations and laws that constrain and limit you at every turn.

It becomes second nature, and before long you are "institutionalized" just as surely as if you were in prison, unable to even comprehend how you could exist outside the boundaries and rules that constrain your existence.
The cities still didn't suck in most of the population until the economy was manipulated to drive everyone off the farm and out of the medium sized towns.
De-mobilization after WWI and WWII was also used to dump men who had been drafted from the country into the city.

[Swordsmyth]

I see this place has finally transformed into White Nationalist Forums. I think I'm done visiting for good.
Please don't, most of us don't want to work with the lunatics.

[angelatc]

I find it funny how some of these same people defended Ron Paul when he was attacked over the newsletters, saying the language and racism was antithetical to libertarianism, and that the mainstream media was just out to get him, yet now openly support rebranded white nationalism and use specious reasoning to push that agenda.

I wish I could say it was surprising, but all the traditionalists, racists, and Republicans that were brought into the movement have really poisoned the well.

Bye!

[Danke]

Here is a video from a group at Charlottesville that wasn't on any particular side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?sns=fb&v=McKfSoya2zM&app=desktop

Another one: https://www.facebook.com/TheRealRedElephants/videos/458166431221827/

[tod evans]

This belongs in this thread.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOi0tC00Luc

[helmuth_hubener]

Should also be noted that the permitted rally at the Park was scheduled to begin at 12. City declared state of emergency and proclaimed everything an unlawful assembly around 11:55. Right was never allowed to enter park. Instead they were funneled to antifa who violently threw things at them and then were broken up in to smaller groups to further put our guys at a disadvantage. Right spent the next half hour or so walking back to cars and hotels being pestered by cops telling them anyone outside would be arrested. Cops allowed antifa to stay. That's why when the accident occurred all you see in the streets are Antifa. Remember, a state of emergency had been declared hours ago by that point, and everyone was supposed to clear the streets on pain of arrest. But Antifa is still there as if nothing happened and cops are doing nothing. Total screw job. Basically, Right showed, up, got spit on, left, and then somehow Antifa and the Cops managed to kill three of their own people without us even being there! Total and complete victory for our side.

Great summary, man.
So.... do it again?

[helmuth_hubener]

I wish I could say it was surprising, but all the traditionalists, racists, and Republicans that were brought into the movement have really poisoned the well.

Anti-groping,.... and anti-tradition,
Anti-schism, creating division.

:confused:

[Dr.3D]

I'm getting the impression, there were no white nationalists involved with this at all. Seems somebody has been just trying to make it look that way.

[PierzStyx]

I'm getting the impression, there were no white nationalists involved with this at all. Seems somebody has been just trying to make it look that way.

Must be why they mimicked Nazi torch marches right?

http://footage.framepool.com/shotimg/qf/375965038-procesion-de-antorchas-antorcha-concentracion-reichstag.jpg

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/article35980372.ece/BINARY/w780/web-charlotte13nw01.JPG

Or what white nationalists flags were on prominent display, such as the white flag with the black St. Andrew's cross.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/article35980374.ece/BINARY/w780/web-charlotte13nw03.JPG

The white nationalist League of The South describes that flag thusly:


The Black Cross of Southern nationalism is highly symbolic. Besides being an ancient symbol associated with certain of our people, it has other meanings. It is a stark and simple symbol, signifying our fundamental cause and our bold and direct approach to it. The white field stands for our Folk and for purity. The black cross stands for no surrender.

In a day of ambiguity and indecisiveness, we are projecting certainty and strength. Moreover, we now have a symbol that in 2014 is uniquely ours.

You also have people holding the fasces (and Fascist) black shield that is used by white nationalist group Vanguard America:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/article35980377.ece/BINARY/w780/web-charlotte13nw06.JPG


You know, because there weren't any white nationalists there. /s

[brandon]

I used to think the alt-right was unfairly maligned by the media and liberals as nazis, racists, and fascists. Now they have literally become literal nazis. I don't know if I was just totally blind to it before, or if the media narrative has just shaped what they became. In any case, what a fucking shame. These tools have set back any progress conservatives have made by years.

The tepid repudiation of these idiots by some of the posters here has me raising my eyebrows.

[tod evans]

I used to think the alt-right was unfairly maligned by the media and liberals as nazis, racists, and fascists. Now they have literally become literal nazis. I don't know if I was just totally blind to it before, or if the media narrative has just shaped what they became. In any case, what a fucking shame. These tools have set back any progress conservatives have made by years.

The tepid repudiation of these idiots by some of the posters here has me raising my eyebrows.

I'm not going to repudiate any of those involved.

My opinion is that if they're stupid enough to live in a city and stupid enough to get involved in racially charged issues in a city then they deserve whatever befalls them.

I'll not waste my time supporting any of 'em especially the kops.

[acptulsa]

The tepid repudiation of these idiots by some of the posters here has me raising my eyebrows.

The last couple of years, repudiations of stormfronters which heat up beyond 'tepid' have led to infractions and bans.

[lilymc]

I think we need a movement of non-hateful, non-racist normal people who stand for liberty and truth. And who understand who the real enemy is.

I'm so tired of all this division and deception.

[brandon]

I think we need a movement of non-hateful, non-racist normal people who stand for liberty and truth. And who understand who the real enemy is.

I'm so tired of all this division and deception.

Seriously. Bring back the Love in Revolution.

5830

[tod evans]

I think we need a movement of non-hateful, non-racist normal people who stand for liberty and truth. And who understand who the real enemy is.

I'm so tired of all this division and deception.

Ya don't see this kind of BS out here in the sticks.

People weren't made to stack on top of each other.

[lilymc]

Seriously. Bring back the Love in Revolution.

5830

Exactly! :)


Ya don't see this kind of BS out here in the sticks.

People weren't made to stack on top of each other.

Well, we can't really change that at this point. Personally I think all this BS is the result of a lot of manipulation by the PTSB.

[Anti Federalist]

I wish I could say it was surprising, but all the traditionalists, racists, and Republicans that were brought into the movement have really poisoned the well.

According to your terms, Ron Paul is all three of those.

[Dr.3D]

I used to think the alt-right was unfairly maligned by the media and liberals as nazis, racists, and fascists. Now they have literally become literal nazis. I don't know if I was just totally blind to it before, or if the media narrative has just shaped what they became. In any case, what a fucking shame. These tools have set back any progress conservatives have made by years.

The tepid repudiation of these idiots by some of the posters here has me raising my eyebrows.

How can we know what we are seeing through the eyes of the media, is the truth?

Last I knew, the so called 'White Nationalist' groups spokesman wasn't even allowed his first amendment rights to address the news media. He was immediately surrounded and punched in the face for trying to say anything.

Something about this doesn't smell right. It's almost as if this is all some kind of act and we are supposed to buy it.

[nikcers]

How can we know what we are seeing through the eyes of the media, is the truth?

Last I knew, the so called 'White Nationalist' groups spokesman wasn't even allowed his first amendment rights to address the news media. He was immediately surrounded and punched in the face for trying to say anything.

Something about this doesn't smell right. It's almost as if this is all some kind of act and we are supposed to buy it.

inb4 Trump tweets that he is going to send in the feds.

[The Rebel Poet]

I see this place has finally transformed into White Nationalist Forums. I think I'm done visiting for good.
You just noticed?? Actually it was worse until recently. You can't leave just after we got several of the more obnoxious WN's to finally give up.

[bunklocoempire]

I see this place has finally transformed into White Nationalist Forums. I think I'm done visiting for good.

Nah, people just really love their public parks and all the joy public property brings.

:toady:

[Danke]

I used to think the alt-right was unfairly maligned by the media and liberals as nazis, racists, and fascists. Now they have literally become literal nazis. I don't know if I was just totally blind to it before, or if the media narrative has just shaped what they became. In any case, what a fucking shame. These tools have set back any progress conservatives have made by years.

The tepid repudiation of these idiots by some of the posters here has me raising my eyebrows.

most of the assembly was peaceful patriots. But a minority of white supremacists spoiled it, Feds, Soro's goons? :toady:

[angelatc]

You just noticed?? Actually it was worse until recently. You can't leave just after we got several of the more obnoxious WN's to finally give up.

Thanks for the neg. I didn't vote for Trump. Derp. Derp. Derp.

[phill4paul]

most of the assembly was peaceful patriots. But a minority of white supremacists spoiled it, Feds, Soro's goons? :toady:

I'd have to be given some solid numbers. A lot of dupes in the mix. The only ones I could be sure of were the militia that showed up armed, weren't attacked, and didn't shoot anyone. But, yeah, there were provocateurs there. On both sides playing to incite excited emotions.

[angelatc]

I'm getting the impression, there were no white nationalists involved with this at all. Seems somebody has been just trying to make it look that way.

No, there were definitely white nationalists involved. I am wondering if the guy actually invited them, or if they just seized the opportunity and he wasn't smart enough to realize this is a losing gambit.

You've been here as long as I have - you may remember that Josh and Bryan had a devil of a time keeping them off these forums. They're like any other fringe element - if you tolerate them, they'll soon become the entire focus of your movement, especially for the opposition.

The never-Trumpers and the left are making hay with this. Never mind that we never heard much at all about the leftist that took out 5 cops in Dallas. (Do you remember them interviewing his mom? Giving us any lists of groups he associated with? Throwing up Facebook posts?) If the GOP didn't see this coming, they have themselves to blame.

[Anti Federalist]

You just noticed?? Actually it was worse until recently. You can't leave just after we got several of the more obnoxious WN's to finally give up.

Why not just have a discussion instead of a neg rep?

I know Ron Paul is no racist.

But according to a great many people he was by virtue of the stories in the newsletter that carried his name.

I was here in 2007/08 when a whole fuck ton of people were ready to throw him under the bus for that, which to this day I maintain were nothing more than observations, perhaps put crudely.

He's also a Republican and a traditionalist, if I am understanding correctly what what that pejorative means.

Antischism claims all three of those things are horrible traits.


I wish I could say it was surprising, but all the traditionalists, racists, and Republicans that were brought into the movement have really poisoned the well.

[Anti Federalist]

I think we need a movement of non-hateful, non-racist normal people who stand for liberty and truth. And who understand who the real enemy is.

I'm so tired of all this division and deception.

We did.

Nobody was interested.

So we all went home.

[pcosmar]

Out of pure curiosity,,

Where is the nearest Fusion Center to this mess?

it seems a bit engineered.

[brandon]

How can we know what we are seeing through the eyes of the media, is the truth?

Last I knew, the so called 'White Nationalist' groups spokesman wasn't even allowed his first amendment rights to address the news media. He was immediately surrounded and punched in the face for trying to say anything.

Something about this doesn't smell right. It's almost as if this is all some kind of act and we are supposed to buy it.

Have you been on /pol/ on 4chan? You should check it out. It's really enlightening. There are thousands of neckbeard miscreants that are openly identifying with various forms of nazism. Some of them call it "civic nationalism" which just basically means kick all the "shitskins" out. They believe socialism can work if it's in a country of only white people. Go down the rabbit hole man. These are the people showing up at these rallys. They are not well-adjusted upstanding citizens.

[phill4paul]

We did.

Nobody was interested.

So we all went home.

Still out mother lovin' rep.....

[acptulsa]

We did.

Nobody was interested.

So we all went home.

Put it on the empire's tombstone. Then add, let it not be said that good people did nothing.

[The Rebel Poet]

Why not just have a discussion instead of a neg rep?

I know Ron Paul is no racist.

But according to a great many people he was by virtue of the stories in the newsletter that carried his name.

I was here in 2007/08 when a whole fuck ton of people were ready to throw him under the bus for that, which to this day I maintain were nothing more than observations, perhaps put crudely.

He's also a Republican and a traditionalist, if I am understanding correctly what what that pejorative means.

Antischism claims all three of those things are horrible traits.
I've consider you one of the good guys, so I hope you can forgive me if I misunderstood what you said. I didn't see anyone on this thread connect Ron to racism until you brought it up. And your last sentence makes it sound like you disagree with antischism about racists being bad?

[r3volution 3.0]

Have you been on /pol/ on 4chan? You should check it out. It's really enlightening. There are thousands of neckbeard miscreants that are openly identifying with various forms of nazism. Some of them call it "civic nationalism" which just basically means kick all the "shitskins" out. They believe socialism can work if it's in a country of only white people. Go down the rabbit hole man. These are the people showing up at these rallys. They are not well-adjusted upstanding citizens.

Yup

Some people here are shockingly naive about what the "Unite the Retards" event was about, who organized it, who attended it...

...and to what extent these clowns have already, intentionally, methodically, subverted the libertarian movement.

People talking about it like it was a "false flag" event need to stop listening to WN propaganda InfoWars and get a f-king grip.

[Anti Federalist]

I've consider you one of the good guys, so I hope you can forgive me if I misunderstood what you said. I didn't see anyone on this thread connect Ron to racism until you brought it up. And your last sentence makes it sound like you disagree with antischism about racists being bad?

No worries.

Perhaps I could re-phrase it:

All three of those traits can be found, by conventional wisdom's definitions anyway, in Ron Paul.

Republican, check.

Traditionalist, check.

Racist, (according to the people who were running around here ten years ago with their hair on fire over the newsletter debacle) check.

Are "racists" bad?

Sure, depending on how you define that.

"Round up all of 'X' using forces of the state, and shoot them on the edge of the mass grave." - Clearly bad.

"Damn, that black kid that just mugged me was able to get away, because he was 'fleet of foot' and my middle aged broke down ass couldn't catch him!" (That was, IIRC, the upshot of the horrible, awful, earth shattering, end of the world 'racism' that was contained in the newsletters, or words to that effect) - A declaration of a clearly demonstrable event. Not bad, as far as I'm concerned.

Nor is it bad or racism, to discuss the existence of and causes of violent crime committed in disproportional numbers by young black men.

Or a whole host of other issues, that the left has now declared verboten to speak of.

[Dr.3D]

Have you been on /pol/ on 4chan? You should check it out. It's really enlightening. There are thousands of neckbeard miscreants that are openly identifying with various forms of nazism. Some of them call it "civic nationalism" which just basically means kick all the "shitskins" out. They believe socialism can work if it's in a country of only white people. Go down the rabbit hole man. These are the people showing up at these rallys. They are not well-adjusted upstanding citizens.
So you're telling me the Main Stream Media is right this time? :confused:

I never said I agreed with either group... Just that things don't seem right this time.

[Anti Federalist]

...and to what extent these clowns have already, intentionally, methodically, subverted the libertarian movement.

Outside of what we have been quietly accomplishing in NH with our tiny but dedicated numbers, there is no "libertarian movement".

There are just varying degrees of statists, jockeying for position.

[r3volution 3.0]

So you're telling me the Main Stream Media is right this time? :confused:

I think he's telling you to listen to the people fucking you and laughing, because, you know, maybe you're getting fucked?

:rolleyes:

[Anti Federalist]

Still out mother lovin' rep.....

Had to drive 12 hours today, with nothing to do but mull this mess over.

Glad a few Easter eggs popped out.

[acptulsa]

So you're telling me the Main Stream Media is right this time? :confused:

I never said I agreed with either group... Just that things don't seem right this time.

The media always base their stories on verifiable truth. It's what they leave out, and how they spin what's left, that produces their desired ridiculous verdicts.

Genuine useful idiots always believe in their causes. Doesn't mean they serve their causes. But they genuinely believe in them.

There were stormfronters there. The media won't admit that there were people there to defend free speech, or that there were people there to decry the act of flushing history down the Memory Hole, because these are adult conversations they don't want to encourage Americans to have. They admit Antifa was there, but do not say how they got there, how they got armed, or how they got assisted by the police.

Paul Harvey is dead, and we no longer get The Rest of the Story. But so far as they go, and before the editorializing starts, the kernel of the story is usually true.

The reason it doesn't sound right to you is because you look for the big picture, and they cut the big picture up with a jigsaw and threw away all the pieces they didn't like.

[brandon]

So you're telling me the Main Stream Media is right this time? :confused:

I never said I agreed with either group... Just that things don't seem right this time.

Yeah, it's not right. As I said in another thread, 1000s of violent anti-white anti-man liberal degenerates are clashing with 1000s of wannabe nazi, racist idiots. Both sides represent the worst of America. The MSM is, as usual, only attacking the right, but this time just might deserve it more than the left.

[Swordsmyth]

Yeah, it's not right. As I said in another thread, 1000s of violent anti-white anti-man liberal degenerates are clashing with 1000s of wannabe nazi, racist idiots. Both sides represent the worst of America. The MSM is, as usual, only attacking the right, but this time just might deserve it more than the left.
No the left attacked first.

[r3volution 3.0]

Outside of what we have been quietly accomplishing in NH with our tiny but dedicated numbers, there is no "libertarian movement".

There are just varying degrees of statists, jockeying for position.

Right

Right

It makes no difference whether you read Mises or do the Sieg Heil...?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ehE4qq4RKow/Vd6sbz99gwI/AAAAAAAATaQ/m8C8xFy1w_c/s1600/am-i-the-only-one-around-here.gif

[Anti Federalist]

How many people read Mises?

I'm not sure what you're getting at.


Right

Right

It makes no difference whether you read Mises or do the Sieg Heil...?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ehE4qq4RKow/Vd6sbz99gwI/AAAAAAAATaQ/m8C8xFy1w_c/s1600/am-i-the-only-one-around-here.gif

[acptulsa]

No the left attacked first.

If whoever threw the first punch is the one most wrong (and there's a lot to be said for that) then the left is definitely most wrong in this case.


Right

Right

It makes no difference whether you read Mises or do the Sieg Heil...?

Mises is neither 'right' nor 'left'.

He's merely correct.


How many people read Mises?

I'm not sure what you're getting at.

He seems to be sick of fiscal conservatives being lumped in with people who have more in common with Far Left Black Separatists than us.

[Danke]

Had to drive 12 hours today, with nothing to do but mull this mess over.


A fish out of water.

[r3volution 3.0]

How many people read Mises?

I'm not sure what you're getting at.

I'm stating clearly that there is a libertarian movement, and it's defined by ideas such as those of Mises.

And it must, if it is going to survive at all, absolutely and unconditionally condemn these inbred bolshevik cunts.


Mises is neither 'right' nor 'left'.

He's merely correct.

...and, according to our Sieg-heiling "pals," a dirty jew.

[Dr.3D]

No the left attacked first.
Well, we can't be thinking about that now can we?

After all, it's those "Bad Guys" that were attacked and the media seems to think they deserved it, even if means robbing them of their 1st amendment rights in the process.

Even when a spokesman from the group came forward to have a "News Conference", he was punched in the face and not allowed to discuss his view about what took place.

Where are the people who were supposed to protect his 1st amendment rights. So far that day, he and his group had their 1st amendment rights twice stolen from them and the press says nothing about it as if it's nothing.

[acptulsa]

...and, according to our Sieg-heiling "pals," a dirty jew.

The sort of blithering morons who could reject this on the same grounds...


https://youtube.com/watch?v=ynEOo28lsbc

We just have to ensure they never again get so much power that their loss is everyone's loss.

[The Rebel Poet]

No worries.

Perhaps I could re-phrase it:

All three of those traits can be found, by conventional wisdom's definitions anyway, in Ron Paul.

Republican, check.

Traditionalist, check.

Racist, (according to the people who were running around here ten years ago with their hair on fire over the newsletter debacle) check.

Are "racists" bad?

Sure, depending on how you define that.

"Round up all of 'X' using forces of the state, and shoot them on the edge of the mass grave." - Clearly bad.

"Damn, that black kid that just mugged me was able to get away, because he was 'fleet of foot' and my middle aged broke down ass couldn't catch him!" (That was, IIRC, the upshot of the horrible, awful, earth shattering, end of the world 'racism' that was contained in the newsletters, or words to that effect) - A declaration of a clearly demonstrable event. Not bad, as far as I'm concerned.

Nor is it bad or racism, to discuss the existence of and causes of violent crime committed in disproportional numbers by young black men.

Or a whole host of other issues, that the left has now declared verboten to speak of.
I would +rep you, but one must rep 2,309.65 people before you can rep so-and-so again these days.

[acptulsa]

I would +rep you, but one must rep 2,309.65 people before you can rep so-and-so again these days.

The number of good posters you must rep before you can get back to someone hasn't changed. But the number of good posters sure has, since banning people who are rude to stormfronters became a thing.

[brandon]

No the left attacked first.

The right held a rally with torches and chanted "The jews will not replace us". They saluted hitler. There's videos of them saying "Hitler did nothing wrong" There's pictures of them holding fascist regalia. My grandfather earned a bronze star killing nazis. I'm sure nearly all of us had father or grandfather who fought the nazis.


Even if the left attacked first, which they probably did, I shed no tears for these idiots.

[Swordsmyth]

The right held a rally with torches and chanted "The jews will not replace us". They saluted hitler. There's videos of them saying "Hitler did nothing wrong" There's pictures of them holding fascist regalia. My grandfather earned a bronze star killing nazis. I'm sure nearly all of us had father or grandfather who fought the nazis.


Even if the left attacked first, which they probably did, I shed no tears for these idiots.
I shed none either but the communists have a rather poor record in history as well and they are the ones who are most at fault in this incident.

[acptulsa]

My grandfather earned a bronze star killing nazis.

Plenty of treasure--and more than a little American blood--went into killing bolsheviks, too.

Only a fool has a dog on either side of that fight.

[timosman]

The number of good posters you must rep before you can get back to someone hasn't changed. But the number of good posters sure has, since banning people who are rude to stormfronters became a thing.

This is a serious accusation. Any evidence?

[angelatc]

The right held a rally with torches and chanted "The jews will not replace us".

This is something that confuses me. By and large, the right tends to consider Israel and the Jewish community important allies. The mainstream right has no use for the White Nationalists. But the left welcomes the bomb-throwers with open arms.

[lilymc]

We did.

Nobody was interested.

So we all went home.

I don't think it's that no one was interested. I think it was that the MSM completely ignored, downplayed or attacked Ron Paul at every opportunity and presented a false reality to the general public. That's what they do. And then that false reality ends up becoming the reality.

Even some libs saw that… Remember this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI7H7ForuwA

[brandon]

I don't think it's that no one was interested. I think it was that the MSM completely ignored, downplayed or attacked Ron Paul at every opportunity and presented a false reality to the general public. That's what they do. And then that false reality ends up becoming the reality.

Even some libs saw that… Remember this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI7H7ForuwA

hah even years later this shit boils my blood so bad.