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goldenequity
08-10-2017, 03:41 PM
Federal Court Rules Citizens Have No Right to Film Politicians & Police in Public (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/court-film-politicians-police/)


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Contradicting the rulings of six other federal courts,
the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals annihilated free speech rights in upholding a district court decision
stating citizens do not have the right to film public officials — politicians, police, and others — in public.

In affirming the decision of the lower court to dismiss,
the Eighth Circuit effectively ended free speech activist Matthew Akins’ challenge
to the Columbia, Missouri, Police Department,
which he accuses of unlawfully stopping and arresting him on multiple occasions — though nearly all charges were later dropped —
as he filmed their encounters with the public, in public.

Akins says the spate of arrests and harassment from law enforcement is brazen retaliation for the nature of his activist work
— filming officers on the job.

As a journalist and founder of Citizens for Justice in 2011, a group committed to monitoring police for accountability purposes,
Akins frequently stopped to record officers’ interactions with the general public —
a tactic employed by a plethora of civilian impartial observation groups
to stem an epidemic of police violence and veritable impunity in courts,
so common to law enforcement officers who misbehave.

Judge Nanette Laughrey penned in the stunning decision Columbia Police officers indeed had probable cause to arrest Akins each time,
and — again, contrary to previous rulings from six circuit courts —
that “he has no constitutional right to videotape any public proceeding he wishes to.”

Attorney Stephen Wyse already filed an appeal on Wednesday for the court to rehear the case —
originally filed against Boone County Prosecutor Dan Knight,
two former Boone County assistant prosecuting attorneys,
and several members of the Columbia Police Department — as he contended unequivocally, prior,

“You can’t target journalists because you don’t like their reporting.”

ABC affiliate KMIZ reports,

“Wyse took issue with Laughrey’s decision to stay on the case, despite his request she recuse herself.
Laughrey’s husband, Chris Kelly, was the head of a city task force on infrastructure,
which could have skewed her decisions in a case against the city, Wyse claimed.
While federal law does call for a judge’s recusal,
the appeals court said nothing in Akins’ case rose to the level of bias or prejudice against his case.”

While the topic of filming the police —
of particular interest to law enforcement accountability activists, First Amendment advocates, and others concerned for decaying free speech rights — appeared in federal court before,
Laughrey’s ruling goes against precedence established by the First, Third, Fifth, Seventh, Ninth, and Eleventh Circuits,
which decided the Constitution guarantees the right to film public officials in public settings,
as long as recording does not interfere.


Judge Thomas Ambro

In fact, Judge Thomas Ambro wrote the decision for the Third Circuit Court of Appeals in a similar case comprised of separate instances
in which Philadelphia law enforcement actively thwarted the efforts of two citizens, Amanda Geraci and Richard Fields, to film arrests.
Both sued for violations of their civil rights, and — like many other litigants — won.

“The First Amendment protects the public’s right of access to information about their officials’ public activities,”
Ambro clarified, adding that access
“is particularly important because it leads to citizen discourse” on public and private issues —
an exalted exercise of that preeminent protection.
The government, ruled the judge, is prohibited constitutionally
from “limiting the stock of information from which members of the public may draw.”

“Bystander videos provide different perspectives than police and dashboard cameras,
portraying circumstances and surroundings that police videos often do not capture,”
Ambro continued.
“Civilian video also fills the gaps created when police choose not to record video or withhold their footage from the public.”




Laughrey, however, broke ranks in a manner which could portend a precarious existence of certain First Amendment rights —
rights which had previously been assumed by the public and averred in peer courts.
States comprising the Eighth Circuit are Arkansas, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota.

“The First Amendment is a core American value,”
Wyse asserted in a press statement following the decision’s astonishing departure from precedent.
“The right to free speech and a free press are central to our liberty and our ability to hold our government accountable.
This holding of the 8th Circuit undermines the basic rights of Missourians and the citizens of the six other 8th Circuit states
and undermines the First Amendment rights for all Americans.”

Reports indicate Akins — barring an unlikely rehearing in the Eighth Circuit Court — may indeed appeal his case to the Supreme Court.
Because multiple federal judges have upheld the right to film police and public officials
as a constitutionally-protected activity on multiple occasions,
the ramifications of Laughrey’s ruling may not be as far-reaching and detrimental as appears now —
but the ultimate litmus test seems inevitably poised for SCOTUS.

In the meantime, irascible law enforcement officers
keen to prevent civilians from filming their activities would do well to remember two crucial points:
recording public officials keeps them responsible and accountable for their actions —
but can also protect them in situations of disputing claims.
After all, raw video recordings — not police, officials, or citizens — have no need of mendacity and duplicity.




“We ask much of our police,”
Ambro wrote in the July decision.

“They can be our shelter from the storm. Yet officers are public officials carrying out public functions, and the First Amendment
requires them to bear bystanders recording their actions.
This is vital to promote the access that fosters free discussion of governmental actions,
especially when that discussion benefits not only citizens but the officers themselves.”

Laughrey, unfortunately, did not agree —
and now the public has yet another constitutionally-protected right left dangling by a fraying thread.

Swordsmyth
08-10-2017, 03:44 PM
What about the presumption of no privacy in public? or is that just for us peasants?

goldenequity
08-10-2017, 03:58 PM
without researching further...
here's what I read.
This was multiple counts/multiple 'incidences' w/ the plaintiff.
The good ol boyz network in MO wanted to bury it: No Harm/No Foul
The plaintiff wouldn't let them.
The lower courts were all about 'dropping charges' & 'motions to dismiss'
He kept appealing: He wanted them to say "We were wrong." "We're sorry."
They wouldn't.
It finally landed in her lap.
She chose poorly and moved to dismiss. (dumb)
It will be appealed again to SCOTUS.

timosman
08-10-2017, 04:02 PM
Will heads roll?:cool:

goldenequity
08-10-2017, 04:08 PM
Will heads roll?:cool:
They are lifetime appointments...
unless there is proven 'corruption' or a 'crime' committed..
there's no 'recourse' for simply 'bad judgement.'
so... no. (at least not hers)

Brian4Liberty
08-10-2017, 04:18 PM
What about the presumption of no privacy in public? or is that just for us peasants?

Some animals are more equal.

It would probably be best for the mundanes to not look at officials at all, lest they see something and remember it. Perhaps a new law is in order to enforce an Edwardian-style rule that mundanes must avert their eyes in the presence of their betters.

Swordsmyth
08-10-2017, 04:21 PM
Some animals are more equal.

It would probably be best for the mundanes to not look at officials at all, lest they see something and remember it. Perhaps a new law is in order to enforce an Edwardian-style rule that mundanes must avert their eyes in the presence of their betters.
And you can't testify against them either that would be tattling.:toady:

unknown
08-10-2017, 11:09 PM
Some animals are more equal.

It would probably be best for the mundanes to not look at officials at all, lest they see something and remember it. Perhaps a new law is in order to enforce an Edwardian-style rule that mundanes must avert their eyes in the presence of their betters.

Mundanes, how polite of you.

I believe the correct terminology for the slaves is piece of fucking shit.

Anti Federalist
08-11-2017, 12:26 AM
But "they" can festoon every surface with surveillance cameras and watch us Mundanes 24/7.

Anti Federalist
08-11-2017, 12:34 AM
Some animals are more equal.

It would probably be best for the mundanes to not look at officials at all, lest they see something and remember it. Perhaps a new law is in order to enforce an Edwardian-style rule that mundanes must avert their eyes in the presence of their betters.

By your leave Mi'Lord.

Accompanied by a respectful bowing of the head and touching of the forelock.

Might as well, these assholes own us anyway.

fedupinmo
08-11-2017, 05:25 AM
That's Columbia for you... Liberal shitstain on Missouri.

Raginfridus
08-11-2017, 09:56 AM
"Anything you say can and will be used against you..."

In other words, "nothing you say can and will be used for you." This is why you must never talk to the police, because anything you say they've said is hearsay, but anything you tell them can hang you in court. Never talk to the police. Film is inadmissible also. Sure, we have the right to film, but our film can't be used as evidence in court. "You have the right to remain cattle." So there's essentially no reason for us to film the police, or the rest of government, because nothing we have can hang them, except in the court of public opinion - and we all know who really rules that court.

jllundqu
08-11-2017, 10:31 AM
SCOTUS will rule that it's constitutional to film. No one in public has a reasonable expectation of privacy.

goldenequity
08-11-2017, 10:33 AM
"Anything you say can and will be used against you..."

In other words, "nothing you say can and will be used for you." This is why you must never talk to the police, because anything you say they've said is hearsay, but anything you tell them can hang you in court. Never talk to the police. Film is inadmissible also. Sure, we have the right to film, but our film can't be used as evidence in court. "You have the right to remain cattle." So there's essentially no reason for us to film the police, or the rest of government, because nothing we have can hang them, except in the court of public opinion - and we all know who really rules that court.

What I quik researched...
It's 'grey' and varies from 'court to court' and 'trial to trial"

Virtually all courts that have addressed the admissibility of audiotapes, videotapes or motion pictures
have recognized their value and approved their use.
Several courts (and F. R. Civ. P. §101(2)) treat videotapes and motion pictures as photographs,
subjecting them to the same foundation and verification requirements (see §303, supra).
Also, like photographs, the admissibility of audiotapes, videotapes and motion pictures
is generally left to the trial court’s discretion.
The sound portion of videotapes is subject to the same foundation and verification requirements as are audiotapes.

Can a video be used as evidence in court?

Evidence has to be entered 'authenticated'
before it can be used in court.
In certain types of evidence, it is required to prove a chain of custody. ...
Any manipulation of video evidence [obviously] calls its authenticity and reliability into question.
Thus, it is important to keep an original copy of the digital evidence safe.

What is meant by digital evidence?

Digital evidence or electronic evidence is
any probative information stored or transmitted in digital form that a party to a court case may use at trial. ...
As such, some courts have sometimes treated digital evidence differently
for purposes of
authentication,
hearsay,
the best evidence rule,
and privilege.

Video evidence might not be admissible in court

Surveillance cameras and video from handheld devices are becoming increasingly commonplace in courthouses nationwide,
but
there are still situations where video evidence is not permitted in criminal court cases.
To make it admissible,
police investigators need to find out and prove to the court
where the video came from,
how it was recorded,
who maintains the equipment,
and how exactly it relates to the case at hand
for it to be admissible evidence in court.

When video evidence is properly collected, preserved, and authenticated,
it will likely be admitted at a criminal trial—but it’s never a done deal.

Raginfridus
08-11-2017, 11:32 AM
Interesting, thanks for the info. I've been under the impression all video is classified hearsay, therefore thrown out easily in trial.

sparebulb
08-11-2017, 11:34 AM
SCOTUS will rule that it's constitutional to film. No one in public has a reasonable expectation of privacy.

The SCOTUS can affirm it by refusing to hear it.

Almost a done deal.

Anti Federalist
08-11-2017, 11:55 AM
Interesting, thanks for the info. I've been under the impression all video is classified hearsay, therefore thrown out easily in trial.

No but you are absolutely right about cop's statements.

I reckon you have probably already seen this.

Welcome to the forums btw.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?506264-quot-You-Have-the-Right-to-Remain-Innocent-quot

goldenequity
08-11-2017, 12:34 PM
Interesting, thanks for the info. I've been under the impression all video is classified hearsay, therefore thrown out easily in trial.

No.. thank you :)
Never really researched it.

charrob
08-11-2017, 01:44 PM
The SCOTUS can affirm it by refusing to hear it. Almost a done deal.

The defendant here has standing, so what reason could SCOTUS give for not hearing his case?

However even if they hear the case, Scalia was interesting because there were a number of times he voted with Ginsburg, Breyer, et. al on issues of civil liberties. I get the feeling Gorsuch is no Scalia. As so often happens, Kennedy may be the deciding vote if SCOTUS takes the case.

charrob
08-11-2017, 01:51 PM
Interesting, thanks for the info. I've been under the impression all video is classified hearsay, therefore thrown out easily in trial.


Apple has apps for the iphone created by the ACLU. There is an app for every single state I believe. If the app is used, the film goes directly to the ACLU and is not saved on the phone. So often cops destroy phones, delete information on phones, etc. Using this app seems to make sense if one ever comes across abuse by cops and wants to film it. Not sure about android phones, but I'd bet the ACLU has apps built for them as well.