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shakey1
08-09-2017, 05:48 AM
GUAM/SEOUL (Reuters) - North Korea said on Wednesday it is considering plans for a missile strike on the U.S. Pacific territory of Guam, just hours after President Donald Trump told the North that any threat to the United States would be met with "fire and fury".
The sharp increase in tensions rattled financial markets and prompted warnings from U.S. officials and analysts not to engage in rhetorical slanging matches with North Korea, which regularly threatens to destroy the United States.
North Korea said it was "carefully examining" a plan to strike Guam, which is home to about 163,000 people and a U.S. military base that includes a submarine squadron, an airbase and a Coast Guard group.
A Korean People's Army spokesman said in a statement carried by state-run KCNA news agency the plan would be put into practice at any moment once leader Kim Jong Un makes a decision.
Guam Governor Eddie Calvo dismissed the threat and said the island was prepared for "any eventuality" with strategically placed defenses. He said he had been in touch with the White House and there was no change in the threat level.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-china-idUSKBN1AO011

CaptUSA
08-09-2017, 07:19 AM
Just war drums...

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7OGFViC4L-I/VwXst2Cq8uI/AAAAAAAAJKE/CcL5uBaOvZQtD3RIH3QgPS6avprN5sl4g/s1600/g_dl05.gif

http://i.imgur.com/xIGJsVj.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/y4W9VX2aXYcSI/giphy.gif

shakey1
08-09-2017, 09:02 AM
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Origanalist
08-09-2017, 10:41 AM
Has anyone told Hank Johnson about this?

CaptUSA
08-09-2017, 10:50 AM
No one loves war as much as a politician with low poll numbers.

Brian4Liberty
08-09-2017, 10:54 AM
Attack Guam. That will show Trump.

Brian4Liberty
08-09-2017, 10:56 AM
No one loves war as much as a politician with low poll numbers.

You can't be talking about Kim Jong Un. Official NoKo government statistics say that he has a 200% approval rating.

dannno
08-09-2017, 10:59 AM
No one loves war as much as a politician with low poll numbers.

Good thing Trump's numbers have only been going up.

CaptUSA
08-09-2017, 01:29 PM
Good thing Trump's numbers have only been going up.

I just hope Trump keeps reading your polling data til the end of his term.

luctor-et-emergo
08-09-2017, 01:40 PM
You can't be talking about Kim Jong Un. Official NoKo government statistics say that he has a 200% approval rating.
It is only a meager 100%. He's not a God you know, he is only Godlike.

In any case, threatening a missile strike on Guam is downsizing for North Korea. They have been saying for years that they are planning to strike pretty much every inch of America. So yeah. They're bluffing, like always. It doesn't get old.

Nobody will attack them, it's too big of a mess. Too big. Too many reasons not to.

Similarly, they will not attack. There is nothing to gain for them. NOTHING. They* are evil, not stupid.


*Those pulling the strings.

dannno
08-09-2017, 01:48 PM
I just hope Trump keeps reading your polling data til the end of his term.

Didn't you make almost precisely the same comment to me almost a year ago :confused:

How did that work out for you?

Raginfridus
08-09-2017, 03:06 PM
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ad/09/e3/ad09e3ba5c6da426232399a044ed14ea.jpgSuper Ultra Glorious War of The Infamous Hairdos, Aug. 2017 - Aug. 2017.

juleswin
08-09-2017, 03:14 PM
I would really like to hear some NK rep talk to me in English about what their govt is thinking. I am sorry but after they told me that the Iranians want to destroy Israel, I want to get the message from their own mouth.

enhanced_deficit
08-09-2017, 04:21 PM
A mega "red line" has been crossed.
In terms of credibility (or lack of it), this is even bigger news than the one about 'ISIS founding father' drawn red line that was crossed in Syria couple of years ago.



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Raginfridus
08-09-2017, 04:43 PM
I would really like to hear some NK rep talk to me in English about what their govt is thinking. I am sorry but after they told me that the Iranians want to destroy Israel, I want to get the message from their own mouth.Exactly. No serious mind can trust our government-media-military-industrial complex, especially not after the 20th century.

KEEF
08-09-2017, 04:59 PM
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LOL... too funny!

rpfocus
08-09-2017, 05:49 PM
https://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/ea57a1c/2147483647/resize/1200x%3E/quality/85/?url=%2Fcmsmedia%2F08%2Fa2%2F7941e604432aa42484384 0514b26%2Fthumb-2.jpg

Brian4Liberty
08-09-2017, 05:54 PM
I would really like to hear some NK rep talk to me in English about what their govt is thinking. I am sorry but after they told me that the Iranians want to destroy Israel, I want to get the message from their own mouth.

It would be nice to see an actual translation of ANY given OFFICIAL statement from North Korea, because the MSM/MIC/Neoconservative media only gives their interpretation, usually citing and stringing multiple statements from God only knows who in North Korea. Pathetic journalism.

timosman
08-09-2017, 07:29 PM
http://kcna.kp/kcna.user.article.retrieveNewsViewInfoList.kcmsf#t his


Pyongyang, August 9 (KCNA) -- The following are major news items and articles in the DPRK's leading newspapers Wednesday:

A spokesman for the General Staff of the Korean People's Army (KPA) said that the U.S. war hysteria will only bring a miserable end of the American empire.

A spokesman for the KPA Strategic Force warned that the U.S. should be prudent and avoid any military action which may spark conflict under the present acute situation.

The DPRK government gave a reception for the government delegation of Equatorial Guinea.

Papers echo what the public have said of the statement of the DPRK government.

New stamps were issued in commemoration of the successful test-fire of ICBM Hwasong-14.

The DPRK ambassador presented credentials to the president of the Presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

The ASEAN Committee here hosted a reception to mark the 50th anniversary of ASEAN.

The U.S. imperialists made another military provocation to the DPRK by sending a formation of B-1Bs to the sky over south Korea.

Articles warn the Japanese reactionaries to stop going frivolous before the merciless nuclear fist of the DPRK.

A speech made by the DPRK foreign minister at the Ministerial Meeting of the ASEAN Regional Forum.

Rodong Sinmun

Respected Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un sent an autographic letter to the State Merited Chorus for having created and performed song "Ode to the Mother Party".

The paper carries the stanza and score of the song.

An editorial calls for accelerating the building of a powerful socialist nation under the uplifted banner of the line of simultaneously developing the two fronts.

"Confrontation maniacs will have to pay a very high price" is the title of an article.

Minju Joson

The DPRK premier sent a message of greeting to the prime minister of Pakistan.

A political essay calls for making hurrah for the spirit of self-development first resound far and wide at all worksites for a great upsurge.

The DPRK foreign minister sent messages of greeting to his counterparts of ASEAN countries and its secretary general.

Talks were held between the DPRK vice-premier and minister of Agriculture and the Equatorial Guinean minister of Agriculture, Animal Husbandry and Food.

Singapore is introduced to mark the 52nd anniversary of its independence. -0-

Brian4Liberty
08-09-2017, 10:05 PM
http://kcna.kp/kcna.user.article.retrieveNewsViewInfoList.kcmsf#t his

Yep, so we have just about nothing. Except that telling direct quote in the OP of "carefully examining".

goldenequity
08-10-2017, 09:11 AM
Fear Propaganda Goes Into Overdrive


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz20--WT4u0

Raginfridus
08-10-2017, 09:48 AM
Fear Propaganda Goes Into Overdrive


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz20--WT4u0

Get Inside. Stay Inside... Stay Tuned.

The other hypocrite: keep it business as usual; go get a burger, go about your daily lives like nothing's happening. American programming is Huxleyan in the main (e.g. business as usual) and Orwellian on the margins (e.g. stay tuned).

goldenequity
08-10-2017, 11:00 AM
http://www.moonofalabama.org/mainleft.jpg

Stop The Bluster - North Korea Is A Nuclear Weapon State
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/08/stop-the-bluster-north-korea-is-a-nuclear-weapon-state.html

The DPRK (North Korea) had announced a miniaturized nuclear device in March 2016. It even published pictures of it. (http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/08/asia/north-korea-nuclear-warheads/index.html)

North Korea is for all practical purposes a nuclear weapon state
with the ability to deliver nukes onto the continental United States.

This is not news.
Talk about "fire and fury" or an ultimatum to North Korea or of preemptive strikes is all nonsense.

North Korea has good reasons to want nukes
and the U.S. missed all chances to remove those reasons.
It is way too late to lament about that.


Why North Korea Needs Nukes - And How To End That
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/04/the-reason-behind-north-koreas-nuclear-program-and-its-offer-to-end-it.html

Madison320
08-10-2017, 12:42 PM
It occurred to me that this is very convenient. When the economy crashes both sides can now claim war caused it, not the 15-20 trillion in government stimulus over the last decade.

PierzStyx
08-10-2017, 12:46 PM
Attack Guam. That will show Trump.

Well Guam is technically an American island.

The real deal is that if they can fire a missile to hit Guam they can put it on a sub and strike Alaska easily, and potentially just about anywhere on the US West Coast.

r3volution 3.0
08-10-2017, 12:55 PM
Good thing Trump's numbers have only been going up.

http://i.imgur.com/P9kX8l7.png

https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/powerlisting/images/8/85/Hypnotoad_animated.gif/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/516?cb=20150205051543

dannno
08-10-2017, 01:11 PM
http://i.imgur.com/P9kX8l7.png

https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/powerlisting/images/8/85/Hypnotoad_animated.gif/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/516?cb=20150205051543

Thank you CPUd 3.0 for your fake news charts.

I told you during the election they were bullshit, the election proved they were bullshit, yet you still post them.

According to some, you are not only fake news but the definition of insanity.

r3volution 3.0
08-10-2017, 01:19 PM
Thank you CPUd 3.0 for your fake news charts.

Do you have some alt-real charts to rebut RCP?

dannno
08-10-2017, 01:32 PM
Do you have some alt-real charts to rebut RCP?

Why would I need to rebut something that has no credibility to begin with?

asurfaholic
08-10-2017, 01:33 PM
Tough boy trump is wagering that he can send more people to die in North Korea than North Korea is willing to to send to kill.

Seems hopeless at this point. The democrats are still pissed because they can't figure out what bathroom they are supposed to use and most republicans are too busy chanting "build that wall" to realize that we are picking a fight with a country that will cripple our economy. (Unless you are a banker or in the MIC)

nikcers
08-10-2017, 01:41 PM
Tough boy trump is wagering that he can send more people to die in North Korea than North Korea is willing to to send to kill.

Seems hopeless at this point. The democrats are still pissed because they can't figure out what bathroom they are supposed to use and most republicans are too busy chanting "build that wall" to realize that we are picking a fight with a country that will cripple our economy. (Unless you are a banker or in the MIC)

Geopolitics just isn't democrat and republican. Japan is building up military force for the first time since WW2 because they don't feel like we will protect them good enough. All the while Trump is declaring a state of emergency...


President Trump said he is drafting paperwork to declare the opioid epidemic a national emergency, according to a White House pool report.
“The opioid crisis is an emergency, and I’m saying officially right now it is an emergency," Trump said. "It’s a national emergency. We’re going to spend a lot of time, a lot of effort and a lot of money on the opioid crisis."

r3volution 3.0
08-10-2017, 01:43 PM
Why would I need to rebut something that has no credibility to begin with?

http://www.chud.com/community/content/type/61/id/195232/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL

nikcers
08-10-2017, 01:55 PM
The American military is ready with a plan to strike North Korean missile sites in a preemptive attack if Donald Trump decides to do so.

The plan involves flying a B-1B heavy bomber from Andersen Air Force Base in Guam accompanied by satellites, drones, higher jets, and aerial refuelling warplanes. Training for the mission has been ongoing, and there have been 11 practice runs for a similar mission since May when the training was accelerated.
“Of the military options … [President Trump] could consider, this would be one of the two or three that would at least have the possibility of not escalating the situation,” retired Admiral James Stavridis, the former Supreme Allied Commander Europe, told

RonZeplin
08-10-2017, 02:12 PM
http://i.imgur.com/P9kX8l7.png

https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/powerlisting/images/8/85/Hypnotoad_animated.gif/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/516?cb=20150205051543
They must have mislabeled Kim Jung Un's graph.

shakey1
08-10-2017, 02:48 PM
The American military is ready with a plan to strike North Korean missile sites in a preemptive attack if Donald Trump decides to do so.

The plan involves flying a B-1B heavy bomber from Andersen Air Force Base in Guam accompanied by satellites, drones, higher jets, and aerial refuelling warplanes. Training for the mission has been ongoing, and there have been 11 practice runs for a similar mission since May when the training was accelerated.
“Of the military options … [President Trump] could consider, this would be one of the two or three that would at least have the possibility of not escalating the situation,” retired Admiral James Stavridis, the former Supreme Allied Commander Europe, told

I would surmise that any military option would have a very high probability of escalating the situation.

Brian4Liberty
08-10-2017, 04:01 PM
Well Guam is technically an American island.

The real deal is that if they can fire a missile to hit Guam they can put it on a sub and strike Alaska easily, and potentially just about anywhere on the US West Coast.

If they use subs, ships or barges, they don't need any extra long range missiles at all. A simple Scud (Hwasong) would work. Or they could just smuggle it in. Maybe they would hide it under Lindsey Graham's bed. :eek:

enhanced_deficit
08-28-2017, 10:16 PM
Did Trump paint himself in a corner vs NK with the art of the bluff 'fire and fury' miscalculation in the battle of the crazies?

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSaKwQnCHsgfeonKsS_YuFRkt1Q9fw48 2dQFYDbGM3EE_gKcHhPecTHXjM_Amx6ebBH9NnOi6s0Cb0 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/north-korean-missile-flies-over-japan-escalating-tensions-and-prompting-an-angry-response-from-tokyo/2017/08/28/e1975804-8c37-11e7-9c53-6a169beb0953_story.html)
North Korean missile flies over Japan, escalating tensions and prompting an angry response from Tokyo (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/north-korean-missile-flies-over-japan-escalating-tensions-and-prompting-an-angry-response-from-tokyo/2017/08/28/e1975804-8c37-11e7-9c53-6a169beb0953_story.html)
Washington Post 6h ago

shakey1
08-29-2017, 12:07 PM
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enhanced_deficit
09-14-2017, 11:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4BbOcS3COI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4BbOcS3COI

North Korea fires ballistic missile over Japan in longest-ever flight as residents 'duck and cover'


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2017/09/11/TELEMMGLPICT000139573930_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlberW d9EgFPZtcLiMQfy2dmClwgbjjulYfPTELibA.jpeg?imwidth= 450
This is the intermediate-range strategic ballistic rocket Hwasong-12 l that was launched on August 29 by North Korea Credit: AFP



Chris Graham (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/authors/chris-graham/)


15 September 2017 • 6:07am


North Korea fires ballistic missile over Japan, with Guam in range
Japanese residents urged to take shelter
Tillerson says China must do more
North Korean passenger flight takes off 90 minutes after missile launchAir Koryo flight 151 (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/15/north-korean-passenger-flight-takes-90-minutes-missile-launch/)
'North Korea is a terrorist nation': Test met with anger and fear in Japan (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/15/north-korea-terrorist-nation-missile-test-met-anger-fear-japan/)
Analysis: Missile a message to US - We can strike Guam at any time (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/15/north-koreas-missile-message-us-can-strike-guam-time/)
How war with North Korea could start and what it would look like (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/war-north-korea-could-start-would-look-like/)


North Korea has fired an intermediate-range ballistic missile that flew over Japan before landing in the northern Pacific Ocean.

It was the second aggressive test-flight over the territory of the close US ally in less than a month and it followed the sixth and most powerful nuclear test by North Korea to date on September 3.
South Korea's Joint Chiefs of Staff said the missile travelled about 3,700 kilometers (2,300 miles) while reaching a maximum height of 770 kilometers (478 miles).
The missile, launched from Sunan, the site of Pyongyang's international airport, flew farther than any other missile North Korea has fired. The distance it flew is a slightly greater distance than between the North Korean capital and the American air base in Guam.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/14/north-korea-files-another-ballistic-missile-japan-residents/




Related

US general says size of most recent North Korean test 'equates to' a hydrogen bomb (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/09/14/u-s-general-says-size-of-most-recent-north-korean-test-equates-to-a-hydrogen-bomb/)
Washington Post 6h ago

enhanced_deficit
11-28-2017, 09:11 PM
Has NK crossed Trump's 'fire n fury' redline?


"We'll be either very very successfull quickly or we'll be very very successfull in another way quickly"

Q. Any progress on the diplomatic backchannels?
A. Well, we don't wan't to talk about progress, we don't want to talk about backchannels


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJNlsnJF8Ic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJNlsnJF8Ic

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJNlsnJF8Ic)

North Korea fires its highest ICBM yet

By Katie Bo Williams - 11/28/17


http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_small_article/public/article_images/northkoreanmissiles_032417getty.jpg?itok=ZgaqsZDW
© Getty

North Korea on Tuesday fired what has been initially assessed by the Defense Department to be an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) — the first such launch in more than two months.
The missile was fired at dawn, local time, on Wednesday from an area north of Pyongyang and flew east before splashing down in the Sea of Japan.
The missile posed no threat to North America or any U.S. territories or allies, the Pentagon said, but added that it remains “prepared to defend ourselves and our allies from any attack or provocation.”But Defense Secretary James Mattis told reporters after the launch that the ICBM went “higher, frankly, than any previous shots” North Korea has yet taken — a troubling signal that Pyongyang continues to make advances in its weapons development program.

President Trump expressed confidence shortly following the launch, saying “it’s a situation we will handle.”
“We will take care of it,” Trump told reporters at the White House.
South Korea fired pinpoint missiles into the water in response to the launch, “to make certain North Korea understands that they could be taken under fire by our ally,” Mattis said.


But the launch, which directly defies Trump’s demands that the North Koreans curtail a burgeoning nuclear program, is likely to add tension to an already strained stand-off with the United States and its allies in the region.
It comes less than two weeks after Trump’s return from Asia — where he warned Pyongyang “do not try us” by escalating nuclear provocations — and just a week after he announced that the U.S. designated the country as a state sponsor of terror.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/362244-north-korea-fires-its-highest-icbm-yet



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Trump's 'fire and fury' policy on North Korea has 'crashed and burned': Former State Department official (https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/29/trumps-north-korea-policy-has-crashed-and-burned-former-state-dept-official.html)




North Korea's missile firing is a clear sign that U.S. policy isn't working, national security and foreign policy strategist Joel Rubin told CNBC.
President Donald Trump said on Tuesday that "all options are on the table" in response to North Korea's launch of a ballistic missile that passed over Japan.
"We really need to get into the diplomatic track more aggressively than we have been so far," Rubin said.



Michelle Fox

Published 5 Hours Ago

"This is North Korea doing what North Korea often does. However, what's different this time is that they have technical capacity that many analysts did not think they were going to achieve so quickly."
He called the policy of the last 15 years "failed" and said there needs to be a broader diplomatic policy than just asking China to intervene.
John Merrill, former chief of the Northeast Asia division of the bureau of intelligence and research at the State Department, said North Korea is getting frustrated with U.S. policy, which is based entirely on sanctions.
"People sometimes forget that sanctions carried to an extreme can sometimes get us into real trouble," he told "Closing Bell," pointing to the oil and scrap metal embargo on Japan in the early 1940s.