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NACBA
07-05-2017, 09:59 AM
Easy road to US citizenship is totally wrong: Ron Paul
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/easy-road-us-citizenship-totally-133044687.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA4DkC0vMws

PierzStyx
07-05-2017, 03:04 PM
You quoted Ron incorrectly. he doesn't say that sanctuary cities are "national suicide." Indeed, he said as a libertarian he thinks people should be able to come and go from America "easily."

What Ron says is "national suicide" is an "easy road to citizenship." And why? Because he thinks that doing so will just add more people to the welfare coffers. Important to note that Ron understands that illegal immigrants aren't able to access welfare without citizenship and it is the welfare access he si worried about.

So, what then is national suicide? Is it immigration? No. He actually supports immigration. It is the welfare state that is national suicide. And he isn't wrong there.

Brian4Liberty
07-05-2017, 04:54 PM
You quoted Ron incorrectly. he doesn't say that sanctuary cities are "national suicide." Indeed, he said as a libertarian he thinks people should be able to come and go from America "easily."

What Ron says is "national suicide" is an "easy road to citizenship." And why? Because he thinks that doing so will just add more people to the welfare coffers. Important to note that Ron understands that illegal immigrants aren't able to access welfare without citizenship and it is the welfare access he si worried about.

So, what then is national suicide? Is it immigration? No. He actually supports immigration. It is the welfare state that is national suicide. And he isn't wrong there.

The quotes are around "national suicide", which is the exact words used by Ron. The topic being discussed in the interview is the policy proposed by 21 sanctuary cities pledging to make citizens of other nations (immigrants) into US citizens. The discussion is about that policy, so "Sanctuary Cities Policy" (not in quotes in the title), is a valid title by the OP.

William Tell
07-05-2017, 05:33 PM
Ron is right. It's more of a homicide though, the Democrats want to bring in the illegals to destroy the Constitution and the republic.

William Tell
07-05-2017, 05:38 PM
You quoted Ron incorrectly. he doesn't say that sanctuary cities are "national suicide." Indeed, he said as a libertarian he thinks people should be able to come and go from America "easily."
Wait, you don't think he opposes sanctuary cities?

Brian4Liberty
07-05-2017, 06:40 PM
Ron is right. It's more of a homicide though, the Democrats want to bring in the illegals to destroy the Constitution and the republic.

As Ron says in the video "the welfare mentality that prompts this, actually is introducing this whole calamity of the downfall of the system, there are some people who deliberately want this, the cultural Marxists, this is what they want, they want total chaos, so they are delighted with what is happening today."

PierzStyx
07-06-2017, 11:04 AM
The quotes are around "national suicide", which is the exact words used by Ron. The topic being discussed in the interview is the policy proposed by 21 sanctuary cities pledging to make citizens of other nations (immigrants) into US citizens. The discussion is about that policy, so "Sanctuary Cities Policy" (not in quotes in the title), is a valid title by the OP.


Just because you used his words doesn't mean you quoted him correctly. When you take someone's quote out of context and skew their meaning you have misquoted them, even when you have used their exact words. Here Ron Paul did not say sanctuary cities are national suicide. He said a policy of rapidly expanding citizenship would be national suicide because it could create more people on welfare. Expanding welfare is national suicide in his opinion. He actually says nothing against sanctuary cities.

PierzStyx
07-06-2017, 11:10 AM
Wait, you don't think he opposes sanctuary cities?

I don't think Ron Paul has said directly whether he supports or opposed sanctuary cities. I do know that in the above video when he is directly asked about them he says that as a libertarian he is pretty "tolerant" of the idea people should be able to enter and leave the USA more easily. I also know that in the past that he has suggested the answer to the "illegal immigrant problem" would be to dismantle the welfare state and give illegal immigrants a " a 'green card' with an asterisk" instead of deportation. In the video above he seems mostly offended by the idea that you could come here illegally and jump to the front of the line, bypassing all the people who had come here legally and had been going through the process for years. He thinks it is unfair.

PierzStyx
07-06-2017, 11:12 AM
Ron is right. It's more of a homicide though, the Democrats want to bring in the illegals to destroy the Constitution and the republic.

Giving government power to regulate immigration is to allow it a power not specifically delegated to it in The Constitution, thereby centralizing more power into the hands of the federal government in violation of the Tenth Amendment. Does that not also destroy the Constitution and the republic?

Zippyjuan
07-06-2017, 01:00 PM
As he once said: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/01/news/la-pn-ron-paul-nevada-latino-forum-20120201


"I believe Hispanics have been used as scapegoats, to say, they're the problem instead of being a symptom maybe of a problem with the welfare state," Paul told the group. "In Nazi Germany they had to have scapegoats to blame and they turned on the Jews.

"Now there's a lot of antagonism and resentment turned just automatically on immigrants," he continued. "You say, no not immigrants, it's just illegal immigrants. I do believe in legal immigration. I want to have a provision to obey those laws. You have to understand this in the context of the economy."

Paul said he's not one of those politicians who believes that "barbed-wire fences and guns on our border will solve any of our problems." That's not, he said, the American way. And he doesn't think that a national identification card is the way to go.

What the country does need, he said, is "a much better immigration service" fed by more resources. Not that he'd "vote for extra money." But he does, he told the crowd, have a plan.

Madison320
07-08-2017, 09:17 AM
Ron is right. It's more of a homicide though, the Democrats want to bring in the illegals to destroy the Constitution and the republic.

Close. The democrats want minorities to help them get re-elected.

Brian4Liberty
07-08-2017, 10:56 AM
As Ron says in the video "the welfare mentality that prompts this, actually is introducing this whole calamity of the downfall of the system, there are some people who deliberately want this, the cultural Marxists, this is what they want, they want total chaos, so they are delighted with what is happening today."


Close. The democrats want minorities to help them get re-elected.

Ron said that the cultural Marxists want the downfall of the system.

oyarde
07-09-2017, 10:04 AM
Ron said that the cultural Marxists want the downfall of the system.

I believe that to be correct.

Ender
07-09-2017, 11:10 AM
Ron is right. It's more of a homicide though, the Democrats want to bring in the illegals to destroy the Constitution and the republic.

Unfortunately, it's already been destroyed- War Between the States and 1913 pretty much abolished any republic still left standing.