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Swordsmyth
07-03-2017, 02:51 AM
The window during which President Donald Trump can extricate U.S. forces from the mess in Afghanistan and blame his predecessors for the calamity is rapidly closing. A few more weeks, another surge, and he will be the third president to be saddled with this war; it will become his. The move to allow the military to determine (http://nationalinterest.org/feature/should-the-secretary-defense-or-the-president-set-troop-21263) how many more troops to send to Afghanistan would have been a wise one—let the professionals make such tactical decisions—if it reflected the president’s decision to stay the course. Such a decision would follow a review of the war involving not just the Pentagon, but also the intelligence community, the State Department and the staff of the National Security Council, among others. However, that is not the way this president makes decisions. He just left it to the Pentagon to sort out.
The Pentagon has its own agenda. It does not want to admit to having lost another war. It cannot wash its hands of what is happening in Afghanistan and blame its predecessors the way Trump can. At the same time, the Pentagon knows damn well that even when there were twenty times as many troops in Afghanistan as there are now, we did not win the war. The Pentagon seems set on just limping along (http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-skeptics/the-new-normal-sending-troops-afghanistan-forgetting-they-20912), which seems better than admitting defeat. No wonder none of the generals refers to winning the war in Afghanistan; they use phrases such as, “creating stability” (Gen. Allen) and a V-Day for the War in Afghanistan “may never be marked on a calendar.” Retired Gen. David Petraeus expects us to fight in Afghanistan—for generations, adding “we have been in Korea for 65-plus years…”
Whatever drives the Pentagon to hold the course in Afghanistan, the reasons given for the surge do not pass the smile test. To argue that the Afghan forces need more training and advice after sixteen years raises the obvious question: why would one more year make a difference? Gen. Petraeus argues (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/petraeus-went-afghanistan-reason-need-stay/) that the United States should continue its mission in Afghanistan “to ensure that [it] is not once again a sanctuary for al-Qaida or other transnational extremists, the way it was when the 9/11 attacks were planned there.” The argument that if we do not fight them there, we will have to fight them here is so threadbare it hardly conceals the hollowness of the argument.
First of all, the Taliban (which we organized and armed to fight the USSR (http://nationalinterest.org/feature/what-the-soviet-defeat-afghanistan-tells-us-about-syria-17733)) are not a transnational terrorist but a local insurgency. The terrorists who attacked the U.S. homeland in 2001 were not Taliban but Al Qaeda. True, the Taliban hosted them, but they were, for the most part, Saudis whom the Afghans considered foreigners. They did treat them as guests, in line with the very high value the Afghans put on hospitality. The Taliban paid a very heavy price for this mistake. There is no reason in the world to expect that they would seek to repeat it. They are fighting the United States because they want to run their country, not ours.

More at: http://nationalinterest.org/feature/time-say-goodbye-afghanistan-21387

enhanced_deficit
07-04-2017, 04:55 PM
Freedom seeds were just sowed there costing taxpayers $Trillions, let's not cut and run.

Swordsmyth
07-04-2017, 04:58 PM
Freedom seeds were just sowed there costing taxpayers $Trillions, let's not cut and run.


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Yeah! FREEDOM SEEDS!

goldenequity
07-04-2017, 08:47 PM
‘Bipartisan Delegation’ Of Senators Visit Afghanistan, Slam Trump Administration For Lack Of War Strategy (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/senate-delegation-july-4th-afghanistan?utm_content=buffera4e7b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)


Liz Warren joins the usual suspects.

https://www.weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Warren-and-McCain-300x169.jpg

RJB
07-04-2017, 08:49 PM
Good bye. Good riddance.

Any lesson learned? Doubtful. No one learns from history and so we are where we are today.

phill4paul
07-04-2017, 09:03 PM
What does it matter?

kpitcher
07-04-2017, 10:10 PM
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Yeah! FREEDOM SEEDS!

The movie War Machine, where Brad Pitt plays Gen. Glen McMahon, had a scene about Poppy. The Gen was in front of a field and asked if they could grow anything else. He was told it would be perfect for cotton but that would hurt american industry so they let them grow poppies for opium so it won't hurt any american industry.

I have no idea if that's the actual reasoning.. interesting movie tho about a general who wanted a win and realized there is no win available.

Swordsmyth
07-04-2017, 10:12 PM
The movie War Machine, where Brad Pitt plays Gen. Glen McMahon, had a scene about Poppy. The Gen was in front of a field and asked if they could grow anything else. He was told it would be perfect for cotton but that would hurt american industry so they let them grow poppies for opium so it won't hurt any american industry.

I have no idea if that's the actual reasoning.. interesting movie tho about a general who wanted a win and realized there is no win available.

And of course we can't let them sell them on the Pharmaceutical market either.

phill4paul
07-04-2017, 10:16 PM
The movie War Machine, where Brad Pitt plays Gen. Glen McMahon, had a scene about Poppy. The Gen was in front of a field and asked if they could grow anything else. He was told it would be perfect for cotton but that would hurt american industry so they let them grow poppies for opium so it won't hurt any american industry.

I have no idea if that's the actual reasoning.. interesting movie tho about a general who wanted a win and realized there is no win available.

It's not the actual reason. It's Hollywood.

TheTexan
07-04-2017, 10:20 PM
He was told it would be perfect for cotton but that would hurt american industry so they let them grow poppies for opium so it won't hurt any american industry.

Seems legit.

unknown
07-04-2017, 10:30 PM
And to think that SOB Bin Laden had nearly put a stop to opium production, which just happens to be a major source of CIA revenue.

http://i.imgur.com/RTtkpyn.jpg

Firestarter
07-05-2017, 07:51 AM
I thought that Afganistan was doing quite well: the poppy production is at an all-time high: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?508005-Drugs-profits-for-Oil-wars


The CIA with Saudi intelligence started collaborating with Islamists like Bin Laden at the beginning of the 1970s, and backed the Muslim Brotherhood and its allies. The Golden Crescent along the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan, went from 400 tons of heroin in 1971 to 1,200 tons in 1978. Before 1979 almost no heroin from this area reached the USA, but it supplied 60% of US heroin through the 1980s.
In April and May 1979 the USA armed mujahedin guerrillas in Afghanistan, amongst whom Gulbuddin Hekmatyar - a known drug trafficker with heroin refineries. During the Afghan resistance to the Soviet Union in the 1980s, Bin Laden was the financier and logistics expert for the Saudi-financed Makhtab al-Khidamat, an organisation that recruited volunteers from all over the world. Bin Laden made commission on the transactions, which were laundered by the Russian Mafia.
In 1999 the United Nations estimated the yearly opium production of Afghanistan at 4,600 tons; 70% of the world’s crop (7,000 tons). The heroin was trafficked by the mujahedin that had been supported by the CIA.
In the 1980s Global International Airways (of Farhad Azima) delivered arms to Afghanistan, taking narcotics back. Also Global International Airways (Kansas City), which was reportedly founded with money from BBCI, was involved in the arms for drugs pipeline.
By the mid-1980s processing and exporting heroin had created a black economy in Pakistan of about $8 billion - half the size of the official economy - and Pakistan’s military administration was evolving into a full-blown narco-government.
In July 2000 Mullah Mohammad Omar leader of the Taliban imposed a ban on opium: resulting in some 70% of the world’s opium production being wiped out virtually at a stroke. The CIA switched their alliance to another drug proxy the Northern Alliance, who trebled their opium output in 2000 in northeast Afghanistan. The Northern Alliance helped in the war “against” Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda.



AFGHANISTAN BARAKZAI DYNASTY
Long before the Taliban were brought to power in Afghanistan, it was growing opium on a massive scale. From 1747 to 1929, it was ruled by the Barakzai Dynasty, which controlled the opium trade for at least 150 years. When the Taliban were overthrown, they made a member of the clan, Hamid Barakzai, the head of Afghanistan.
President Hamid Karzai had actually collaborated with the Taliban before. Since the mid-1990s, Karzai was a consultant and lobbyist for the US oil company, UNOCAL, and negotiated with the Taliban.
In 2001 an estimated 7606 tons of opium poppy was produced in Afghanistan; in 2007 with 88,000 tons production was almost back at the record level of 90,983 tons in 1999. According to the UNODC, in 2003, opium in Afghanistan generated $1 billion for farmers and $1.3 billion for traffickers.

CaptUSA
07-05-2017, 08:05 AM
Leave Afghanistan?! Well, only if we can move them to the Korean peninsula.

We've got the keep our intervening on track somewhere....