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Anti Federalist
06-29-2017, 11:43 PM
So, the city of Seattle has this "program" whereby property owners are fleeced for millions in additional property taxes so that "democracy vouchers" can be passed out to people to contribute to politicians.

WTF?

Really, what the flying fuck?


http://www.seattle.gov/democracyvoucher/about-the-program

About the Program

Apply now to receive your $100 in Democracy Vouchers!

If you are a registered voter, you do not need to apply and will automatically receive your Democracy Vouchers by mail. If you have not received your Democracy Vouchers yet, please contact us at 206-727-8855 or e-mail democracyvoucher@seattle.gov.

What is the Democracy Voucher Program?

The Seattle Ethics and Elections Commission offers a new way for Seattle residents to participate in local government.

Eligible Seattle residents may receive $100 in Democracy Vouchers to support candidate(s) in the 2017 City of Seattle elections. The Democracy Voucher Program aims to encourage more Seattle residents to donate to campaigns and/or run for elected positions themselves.

How did the Democracy Voucher Program begin?

In November 2015, Seattle voters passed a citizen-led initiative known as "Honest Elections Seattle" (I-122). I-122 enacted several campaign finance reforms that changed the way campaigns are typically financed for Seattle candidates.

One major reform allows the Seattle Ethics and Elections Commission to distribute "Democracy Vouchers" to eligible Seattle residents. Other campaign reforms include campaign contribution limits for lobbyists and contractors.

Seattle is the first city in the nation to try this type of public campaign financing. The Seattle Ethics and Elections Commission is committed to increasing transparency, accountability, and accessibility for how Seattle elections are financed.

What are Democracy Vouchers?

Eligible Seattle residents will receive four $25 certificates they can use to support candidate(s) running for Seattle City Council or City Attorney. Seattle residents may give eligible candidates one ($25), two ($50), three ($75), or all four ($100) of their Democracy Vouchers.

How is the Democracy Voucher Program funded?

In November 2015, Seattle voters approved a maximum property tax of $3 million per year to fund the Democracy Voucher Program for the next 10 years. Properties affected include commercial, businesses, and residential properties. The Democracy Voucher Program costs the average homeowner about $11.50 per year.

How are Democracy Vouchers used by candidates?

Assigning your Democracy Voucher to a candidate is the same as donating to a campaign. Candidates may use Democracy Vouchers to finance campaign activities and are held to the same City of Seattle campaign spending laws under the City's election code. Candidates participating in the Democracy Voucher Program must follow strict reporting guidelines to qualify for the program.

In addition to these laws, participating candidates may not use Democracy Vouchers to:

Make cash payments;
Reimburse contributors for their contributions;
Pay the candidate a salary, or pay the candidate's personal expenses;
Support the candidate in a campaign for a different office;
Make contributions to other candidates or political committees; or,
Make payments to family members.

For the 2017 City of Seattle elections, only eligible candidates running for City Council or City Attorney may accept vouchers. In 2021, the program will expand to include funding for the Mayor's race.

How does the Democracy Voucher Program work?

From January 2017 to October 2017, the Seattle Ethics and Elections Commission will distribute four Democracy Vouchers valued at $25 each to eligible Seattle residents.
Eligible candidates who may receive vouchers will be listed on this website.
Residents will assign vouchers by writing in the eligible candidates' name, date the voucher was assigned, and resident's signature on each voucher. Vouchers may be redeemed anytime between January 3, 2017 and November 30, 2017.
Democracy Vouchers may be returned directly to a candidate's campaign or mailed to the Seattle Ethics and Elections Commission.
The Seattle Ethics and Elections Commission will verify the signature on each voucher before releasing funds to the campaigns.
All contributions are public information. Your name and the candidate(s) you give your voucher(s) to are public information and will be published on this website.

UWDude
06-30-2017, 02:12 AM
Subsidization of the failing media through ad revenue.
Good thing I read Ron Paul Forums. Now I know I need to get my democracy vouchers. (I am serious, I can't just let the government teet welfare queens get their vouchers, and donate to welfare candidates)

KrokHead
06-30-2017, 02:24 AM
That is a terrible way to escalate the costs of local campaigns.

Natural Citizen
06-30-2017, 05:05 AM
Well heck. Just when I thought I'd already heard it all. Democracy vouchers.

goldenequity
06-30-2017, 06:15 AM
First thing that came to my (evil) mind?
Rebates.
**bring all yer vouchers to my campaign HQ and receive $20 C A S H!!! :D

TheTexan
06-30-2017, 06:38 AM
Subsidization of the failing media through ad revenue.
Good thing I read Ron Paul Forums. Now I know I need to get my democracy vouchers. (I am serious, I can't just let the government teet welfare queens get their vouchers, and donate to welfare candidates)

+rep Thank you for participating in the democratic process! You are a Great American.

Origanalist
06-30-2017, 06:42 AM
Apparently y'all aren't too familiar with Seattle. :D

https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5203/5337174561_2161881134_b.jpg

CaptUSA
06-30-2017, 06:50 AM
[QUOTE=Anti Federalist;6491332]So, the city of Seattle has this "program" whereby property owners are fleeced for millions in additional property taxes so that "democracy vouchers" can be passed out to people to contribute to politicians.QUOTE]

Lol - these people are unbelievably stupid! This is a straight hand-out directly to the politicians. Nothing like writing a law that literally puts more taxpayer money into your campaign coffers.

I wonder if these politicians sit around thinking, "You know... fundraising is hard. I wish there was a way we could just pass a law that made people give us money. I know! We'll call 'em 'Democracy Vouchers'!!!"

timosman
06-30-2017, 08:43 AM
Seattle should have its own section on RPF - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?510397-Seattle-Mayor-Proposes-Soda-Tax-To-Fight-White-Privilege

Origanalist
06-30-2017, 09:27 AM
Seattle should have its own section on RPF - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?510397-Seattle-Mayor-Proposes-Soda-Tax-To-Fight-White-Privilege

Lol, the place is epic. It deserves a place in history for sheer idiocracy.

nobody's_hero
06-30-2017, 10:19 AM
Should have called the Freedom Vouchers, would sell even more.

goldenequity
06-30-2017, 10:28 AM
Seattle should have its own section on RPF - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?510397-Seattle-Mayor-Proposes-Soda-Tax-To-Fight-White-Privilege

I don't know....
looks like they have some stiff antifa competition in Berlin (and of course London)
THOU SHALT NOT SQUAT!
Riot police descend on squatter site in Berlin, remove protesters by force (https://www.rt.com/news/394736-police-evict-squatters-berlin/)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM1c_58e6jk

Since the building entrances were barricaded, police had to use chainsaws and hammers to force their way inside.
On the way, they apparently came across an electrified doorknob.

https://twitter.com/PolizeiBerlin_E/status/880348844403412992/photo/1

G20 is starting next week... stay tuned for continuing adventures!

pcosmar
06-30-2017, 10:36 AM
Honestly,,

It is a City.

like every large city it is the gathering place of the lazy and incompetent, to fleece the products the productive and talented have to trade.

A trading center. or hive of scum and villainy.

has ever been such.

Brian4Liberty
06-30-2017, 10:43 AM
In November 2015, Seattle voters passed a citizen-led initiative known as "Honest Elections Seattle" (I-122).

The road to hell is paved with the good intentions of an ignorant majority.

Brian4Liberty
06-30-2017, 10:48 AM
What could possibly go wrong?

Ah, and here are four perfectly predictable unintended consequences...


Subsidization of the failing media through ad revenue.
Good thing I read Ron Paul Forums. Now I know I need to get my democracy vouchers. (I am serious, I can't just let the government teet welfare queens get their vouchers, and donate to welfare candidates)


That is a terrible way to escalate the costs of local campaigns.


First thing that came to my (evil) mind?
Rebates.
**bring all yer vouchers to my campaign HQ and receive $20 C A S H!!! :D


Lol - these people are unbelievably stupid! This is a straight hand-out directly to the politicians. Nothing like writing a law that literally puts more taxpayer money into your campaign coffers.

I wonder if these politicians sit around thinking, "You know... fundraising is hard. I wish there was a way we could just pass a law that made people give us money. I know! We'll call 'em 'Democracy Vouchers'!!!"

specsaregood
06-30-2017, 10:48 AM
In November 2015, Seattle voters passed a citizen-led initiative known as "Honest Elections Seattle"
The road to hell is paved with the good intentions of an ignorant majority.

Nothing promotes honesty more than adding millions of dollars into the mix.

timosman
06-30-2017, 10:57 AM
Nothing promotes honesty more than adding millions of dollars into the mix.

I hope you are not implying somebody might be dishonest here?:cool:

Zippyjuan
06-30-2017, 12:39 PM
Sounds like the optional check-off box on your income tax forms- the " presidential election campaign fund " contribution. Except that one is voluntary.

axiomata
06-30-2017, 12:43 PM
Seattle is literally nuts. Looking at a job in a suburb but need to do some research on towns within a reasonable commute in the cities of the cascades of of the reach of the insane asylum.

There was a time when the cities had more of a hippie live and let live vibe. Now they're all just a bunch of totalitarian socialist statists.

Sad because it's a beautiful state and country folk are quite reasonable.

Swordsmyth
06-30-2017, 01:52 PM
Leave the big cities and their nearby suburbs while you still can.

Occam's Banana
06-30-2017, 10:40 PM
Sounds like the optional check-off box on your income tax forms- the " presidential election campaign fund " contribution. Except that one is voluntary.

Besides not being voluntary, there's also the fact that checking off the "check-off boxes" has nothing to do with actually paying the tax, while actually paying the tax has nothing to do with checking off the "check-off boxes" ... (not to mention the fact that the "check-off box" on IRS forms don't have any particular candidates associated with them ...) But other than those little details, it sounds pretty much just exactly like IRS income tax PEC fund solicitations ... :rolleyes:

This is just a bald-faced scheme to fleece property owners by funneling property tax revenues into the pockets of particular political candidates - with non-tax-payers being allowed to participate in deciding who gets what. (Ask yourself this: what kind of candidates - pro-tax and anti-property, or anti-tax and pro-property - are most likely to appeal to that lot?). In the private sector, this sort of thing would almost certainly be denounced as "money laundering" by those same political candidates (in this case, non-tax-paying "box checkers" play the part of the "washers").

Rothbard was right: "The state is a gang of thieves writ large ..."

Anti Federalist
06-30-2017, 10:53 PM
Besides not being voluntary, there's also the fact that checking off the "check-off boxes" has nothing to do with actually paying the tax, while actually paying the tax has nothing to do with checking off the "check-off boxes" ... (not to mention the fact that the "check-off box" on IRS forms don't have any particular candidates associated with them ...) But other than those little details, it sounds pretty much just exactly like IRS income tax PEC fund solicitations ... :rolleyes:

This is just a bald-faced scheme to fleece property owners by funneling property tax revenues into the pockets of particular political candidates - with non-tax-payers being allowed to participate in deciding who gets what. (Ask yourself this: what kind of candidates - pro-tax and anti-property, or anti-tax and pro-property - are most likely to appeal to that lot?). In the private sector, this sort of thing would almost certainly be denounced as "money laundering" by those same political candidates (in this case, non-tax-paying "box checkers" play the part of the "washers").

Rothbard was right: "The state is a gang of thieves writ large ..."

Exactly.

r3volution 3.0
06-30-2017, 10:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K1q9Ntcr5g


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs

It's so important that the people control the government...

oyarde
06-30-2017, 10:56 PM
I propose Seattle be forced to change the name of the city . Seattle was a Great Suquamish and Duwamish warrior born on the Black River . He deserves better than having a hoard of 700 , 000 worthless commies wallowing in a place with his name .

Anti Federalist
06-30-2017, 11:26 PM
I propose Seattle be forced to change the name of the city . Seattle was a Great Suquamish and Duwamish warrior born on the Black River . He deserves better than having a hoard of 700 , 000 worthless commies wallowing in a place with his name .

Honestly, I would be upset over this as well, much more upset than a football or baseball team logo.

oyarde
06-30-2017, 11:47 PM
Honestly, I would be upset over this as well, much more upset than a football or baseball team logo.

Yes , hell , nobody with half a brain gives a shit about the washington redskins , only offensive part of that is washington . They took the colors from the old Carlisle Indian School ( Carlisle Indians 1893- 1917 ) which had a record of 167 - 88 -13 making it the most successful defunct college program.

Occam's Banana
06-30-2017, 11:49 PM
This is just a bald-faced scheme to fleece property owners by funneling property tax revenues into the pockets of particular political candidates - with non-tax-payers being allowed to participate in deciding who gets what. (Ask yourself this: what kind of candidates - pro-tax and anti-property, or anti-tax and pro-property - are most likely to appeal to that lot?). In the private sector, this sort of thing would almost certainly be denounced as "money laundering" by those same political candidates (in this case, non-tax-paying "box checkers" play the part of the "washers").
Exactly.

I'm no fan of democracy, but this isn't even that. It's just a sick, twisted and cynical mockery of it.

They're effectively forcing the very people they're expropriating to contribute to their political campaigns.

And those who enjoy the prospect of spending other peoples' money to support their own preferred politicians/policies will lap it up, of course ...

(What's that word again ...? Oh, yeah ... "Amerikunts" ...)

Anti Federalist
07-01-2017, 02:08 AM
I'm no fan of democracy, but this isn't even that. It's just a sick, twisted and cynical mockery of it.

They're effectively forcing the very people they're expropriating to contribute to their political campaigns.

And those who enjoy the prospect of spending other peoples' money to support their own preferred politicians/policies will lap it up, of course ...

(What's that word again ...? Oh, yeah ... "Amerikunts" ...)

That's exactly what I took away from it as well.

And hundreds of thousands of AmeriKunts think this a grand idea...

merkelstan
07-01-2017, 02:14 AM
The logic is that such tax-funding of campaigns is a legitimate act because it promotes democracy - reducing the effect the wealthy have on elections by being able to donate more than the poor.

nobody's_hero
07-01-2017, 05:47 AM
The logic is that such tax-funding of campaigns is a legitimate act because it promotes democracy - reducing the effect the wealthy have on elections by being able to donate more than the poor.

I'm trying to figure out how a program that costs the average voter $11.50 per year allows these voters to distribute $100 worth of vouchers in city elections. Granted math wasn't my strongest subject in school, but I'm coming up 80-something dollars short. Assuming they have elections every 4 years or so, it's still not adding up. I can only assume that it must mean people who have no interest in participating are being bent over a barrel so that politicians can get every possible penny dumped into their otherwise failing campaigns.

timosman
07-01-2017, 07:22 AM
I'm trying to figure out how a program that costs the average voter $11.50 per year allows these voters to distribute $100 worth of vouchers in city elections. Granted math wasn't my strongest subject in school, but I'm coming up 80-something dollars short. Assuming they have elections every 4 years or so, it's still not adding up. I can only assume that it must mean people who have no interest in participating are being bent over a barrel so that politicians can get every possible penny dumped into their otherwise failing campaigns.

We have a smart one here.:D

Keith and stuff
07-01-2017, 11:04 AM
Obviously, wealthy people aren't going to care for the paperwork for just $100. However, Seattle has many 1000 homeless people and many more on welfare. Homeless people don't have a lot of money. No doubt, socialists and commies will organize an effort to steal the money from these vouchers from the homeless and use it to fund the worst people in Seattle. This is a voter approved plan to elect the worst people possible. What could go wrong?

merkelstan
07-01-2017, 11:42 PM
I'm not for it - lord knows. In the internet age all a candidate needs is a website or blogspot page.

Democracy is so fscked-up from the get-go. Over 1/2 of americans think russia 'hacked' the elections.

Like 80% of germans think manmande co2 is causing catastrophic climate change.