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Swordsmyth
06-28-2017, 05:07 PM
Public schools in Kentucky can soon begin teaching Bible literacy courses thanks to a new bill that goes into effect Friday.
Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin held a ceremonial public signing (http://www.wdrb.com/story/35761799/gov-matt-bevin-publicly-signs-bill-allowing-kentuckys-public-schools-to-teach-the-bible?ncid=edlinkushpmg00000313#.WVK-lZzx-Kk.twitter) of House Bill 128, which officially passed in April, at the state’s Capitol on Tuesday. The bill grants schools the ability to establish elective social studies courses on the Hebrew scriptures and New Testament of the Bible.
“The idea that we would not want this to be an option for people in school, that would be crazy,” Bevin said during the ceremony. “I don’t know why every state would not embrace this, why we as a nation would not embrace this.”
The bill will (http://www.lrc.ky.gov/record/17RS/HB128.htm?ncid=edlinkushpmg00000313) “require that the course provide to students knowledge of biblical content, characters, poetry, and narratives that are prerequisites to understanding contemporary society and culture, including literature, art, music, mores, oratory, and public policy.”
Rep. D.J. Johnson (R-Owensboro), one of the bill’s sponsors, said the courses will aim to teach students about the Bible’s impact on American history.
“It really did set the foundation that our founding fathers used to develop documents like the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights,” Johnson told local news outlet WDRB 41 (http://www.wdrb.com/story/35761799/gov-matt-bevin-publicly-signs-bill-allowing-kentuckys-public-schools-to-teach-the-bible?ncid=edlinkushpmg00000313#.WVK-lZzx-Kk.twitter). “All of those came from principles from the Bible.”
Kentucky joins a number of states, including Arizona (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/19/arizona-bible-course-bill_n_1437484.html?ncid=edlinkushpmg00000313) and Georgia (http://articles.latimes.com/2006/mar/28/nation/na-bible28?ncid=edlinkushpmg00000313), that have passed bills in recent years allowing public schools to teach elective Bible classes. A 1963 Supreme Court ruling (http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/supreme-court%E2%80%99s-1963-school-prayer-decision-didn%E2%80%99t-ban-school-prayer/?ncid=edlinkushpmg00000313) deemed such instruction to be constitutional as long as it isn’t devotional and is “presented objectively as part of a secular program of education.”

More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/kentucky-public-schools-now-offer-203532404.html

phill4paul
06-28-2017, 05:16 PM
Ummm, is it too hard to ask someone to go to a church for Bible history? To go to a synagogue for Tora history? A mosque for the history of the Quran?

I understand it would be a bitch to teach a class on the Crusades without adding relevant religious content. But, for the most part let religious institutions do what they were created for. Indoctrinating. Beginners level fundamentals. If it's taught by the anointed of these sects then have them fill out a form and have the school give an elective credit. No extra cost for a curriculum or teachers or controversy.

Swordsmyth
06-28-2017, 05:26 PM
Ummm, is it too hard to ask someone to go to a church for Bible history? To go to a synagogue for Tora history? A mosque for the history of the Quran?

I understand it would be a bitch to teach a class on the Crusades without adding relevant religious content. But, for the most part let religious institutions do what they were created for. Indoctrinating. Beginners level fundamentals. If it's taught by the anointed of these sects then have them fill out a form and have the school give an elective credit. No extra cost for a curriculum or teachers or controversy.

The bill grants schools the ability to establish elective social studies courses on the Hebrew scriptures and New Testament of the Bible.

phill4paul
06-28-2017, 05:41 PM
The bill grants schools the ability to establish elective social studies courses on the Hebrew scriptures and New Testament of the Bible.

But, from the first sentence in your article it says that the schools will teach it.


Public schools in Kentucky can soon begin teaching Bible literacy courses thanks to a new bill that goes into effect Friday.

Perhaps, I used the wrong word. Instead of an "elective" course I should have just said a "curriculum credit." I can see were my terminology was errant.

I don't care if it is an elective or not. Public schools shouldn't teach Bible studies. Or Quran studies. Or Tora studies. Ministers of the faith should. Public schools are so fucked up in every way it'd be a sin to entrust religious indoctrination to them.

Perhaps, I used the wrong word. Instead of an "elective" course I should have just said a "curriculum credit." I can see were my terminology was errant.

tod evans
06-28-2017, 05:42 PM
The bill grants schools the ability to establish elective social studies courses on the Hebrew scriptures and New Testament of the Bible.

Now if only some of the other subject matter that isn't reading, writing and 'rythmetic were presented as an elective........

Swordsmyth
06-28-2017, 05:48 PM
But, from the first sentence in your article it says that the schools will teach it.



Perhaps, I used the wrong word. Instead of an "elective" course I should have just said a "curriculum credit." I can see were my terminology was errant.

I don't care if it is an elective or not. Public schools shouldn't teach Bible studies. Or Quran studies. Or Tora studies. Ministers of the faith should. Public schools are so $#@!ed up in every way it'd be a sin to entrust religious indoctrination to them.

Perhaps, I used the wrong word. Instead of an "elective" course I should have just said a "curriculum credit." I can see were my terminology was errant.




I understand it would be a bitch to teach a class on the Crusades without adding relevant religious content.


Rep. D.J. Johnson (R-Owensboro), one of the bill’s sponsors, said the courses will aim to teach students about the Bible’s impact on American history.
“It really did set the foundation that our founding fathers used to develop documents like the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights,” Johnson told local news outlet WDRB 41 (http://www.wdrb.com/story/35761799/gov-matt-bevin-publicly-signs-bill-allowing-kentuckys-public-schools-to-teach-the-bible?ncid=edlinkushpmg00000313#.WVK-lZzx-Kk.twitter). “All of those came from principles from the Bible.”


It is relevant to most of western history, get over it.

phill4paul
06-28-2017, 06:00 PM
It is relevant to most of western history, get over it.

I'm not saying that it's not. Did I say that? And why is only western history relevant to you? What about eastern history? Should there be an elective in Buddhism too?

Once upon a time it was the parents responsibility to bring their children up in the faith of their choice. Now you want the government to do it? SMDH.


get over it.

Fuck you!

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Ball's in your court....

Swordsmyth
06-28-2017, 06:14 PM
And why is only western history relevant to you? What about eastern history? Should there be an elective in Buddhism too?

America is part of the west therefore western history is more important to us, if the school has enough budget to expand into Asian history then an elective to understand Buddhism/Taoism/Confucianism etc would be acceptable as many as the budget could handle, of course the local tax base might only wish to pay for the essential courses in western history.


Once upon a time it was the parents responsibility to bring their children up in the faith of their choice. Now you want the government to do it? SMDH.
I want them to teach history, They are not allowed to proselytize the kids to be Baptists or Mormons etc., whether you like it or not the Bible affected history in profound ways, you can't teach history properly without it.

otherone
06-28-2017, 06:15 PM
LOLZ
Government can't get history right. So yeah, let's have 'em teach the Bible.

phill4paul
06-28-2017, 06:21 PM
America is part of the west therefore western history is more important to us, if the school has enough budget to expand into Asian history then an elective to understand Buddhism/Taoism/Confucianism etc would be acceptable as many as the budget could handle, of course the local tax base might only wish to pay for the essential courses in western history.

You sound like a progressive. Just need a bigger budget. :rolleyes:



I want them to teach history, They are not allowed to proselytize the kids to be Baptists or Mormons etc., whether you like it or not the Bible affected history in profound ways, you can't teach history properly without it.

And, again, tell me were I've said you can't teach history without including religion?

Danke
06-28-2017, 06:23 PM
Ten Commandments and our laws...let's run that over with our cars.

phill4paul
06-28-2017, 06:23 PM
LOLZ
Government can't get history right. So yeah, let's have 'em teach the Bible.

No shit. He probably loves the idea that government is wrapped up into what should be secular marriages.

Swordsmyth
06-28-2017, 06:27 PM
You sound like a progressive. Just need a bigger budget. :rolleyes:
No I would vote for less budget and therefore only the essential western history, I merely said that as a matter of philosophy I would not object to eastern history including eastern religions.





And, again, tell me were I've said you can't teach history without including religion?
I am saying that, YOU are arguing that history should be taught without it. Can't you keep track of your own position? or are you just trolling? Or Drunk?




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Swordsmyth
06-28-2017, 06:36 PM
LOLZ
Government can't get history right. So yeah, let's have 'em teach the Bible.
Until they quit running schools, they should be required to teach history right, with religion included.


No $#@!. He probably loves the idea that government is wrapped up into what should be secular marriages.
Sorry to disagree with the good doctor but since marriage is related to Inheritance, Parental Rights, End of life decision Rights, Divorce settlements and many other valid legal questions government must have a definition of marriage, and it should be the Classic one.

otherone
06-28-2017, 06:41 PM
Until they quit running schools, they should be required to teach history right, with religion included.


Sure, SUDDENLY public schools won't have an agenda, cuz, the Bible. Why anyone would want their filthy hands on their kid's faith is dumbfounding.

phill4paul
06-28-2017, 06:41 PM
Until they quit running schools, they should be required to teach history right, with religion included.

Until we have a smaller military we should just continue undeclared war against foreign nations.



Sorry to disagree with the good doctor but since marriage is related to Inheritance, Parental Rights, End of life decision Rights, Divorce settlements and many other valid legal questions government must have a definition of marriage, and it should be the Classic one.

It's called a contract. :rolleyes:

otherone
06-28-2017, 06:45 PM
It's called a contract. :rolleyes:

But it's a SPECIAL contract, between a wee-wee ad a hoo-ha. Sacred genitalia.

Swordsmyth
06-28-2017, 06:45 PM
Sure, SUDDENLY public schools won't have an agenda, cuz, the Bible. Why anyone would want their filthy hands on their kid's faith is dumbfounding.
So you would rather have them push secularism?
You and I can find common ground in that I want to end public schools, but until then they should be required to acknowledge the Bible's role in history.

otherone
06-28-2017, 06:48 PM
So you would rather have them push secularism?


You should know better.
This can only result in the secularization of the Bible.
You want public employees spinning your faith to your kids?

Swordsmyth
06-28-2017, 06:49 PM
Until we have a smaller military we should just continue undeclared war against foreign nations.
Not the same, it would be more like "Until we have a smaller military they should be patrolling our borders where they belong".





It's called a contract. :rolleyes:
No it is not the same, and thousands of years of legal history and doctrine recognize that.

Swordsmyth
06-28-2017, 06:52 PM
You should know better.
This can only result in the secularization of the Bible.
You want public employees spinning your faith to your kids?
You and I can find common ground in that I want to end public schools, but until then they should be required to acknowledge the Bible's role in history.

But why do you think the left fights so hard to get the bible out of the schools, because their secular religion of evolution and humanism sells better in a vacuum.
Any recognition of the Bible in school is better than none, I will always be in favor of an improvement, then I will push for more, like ending public schools.

otherone
06-28-2017, 06:57 PM
You and I can find common ground in that I want to end public schools, but until then they should be required to acknowledge the Bible's role in history.

But why do you think the left fights so hard to get the bible out of the schools, because their secular religion of evolution and humanism sells better in a vacuum.
Any recognition of the Bible in school is better than none, I will always be in favor of an improvement, then I will push for more, like ending public schools.

The worm has turned, my friend. What you consider "teaching the bible" and what they will do, are very different. Guaranteed, it will be taught in a progressive context...as is EVERYTHING in public schools. They will seek to undermine everything that parents of faith have instilled in their children.

phill4paul
06-28-2017, 07:07 PM
I'm done. Ignorance begets and Swordsmyth is a perfect example. Y'all have fun.

Swordsmyth
06-28-2017, 09:07 PM
I'm done. Ignorance begets and Swordsmyth is a perfect example. Y'all have fun.
See you later Heathen.

r3volution 3.0
06-28-2017, 09:32 PM
If I were to spend energy trying to reform public school curriculum (I'd rather spend that energy trying to abolish the public schools), there would be much higher priorities than adding Christianity courses: e.g. adding economics courses, or history courses which aren't communist propaganda.

Swordsmyth
06-28-2017, 09:35 PM
If I were to spend energy trying to reform public school curriculum (I'd rather spend that energy trying to abolish the public schools), there would be much higher priorities than adding Christianity courses: e.g. adding economics courses, or history courses which aren't communist propaganda.
I'd rather spend the energy getting rid of public schools as well, but Kentucky did this at no energy cost to me and it is a good thing.

r3volution 3.0
06-28-2017, 09:36 PM
I'd rather spend the energy getting rid of public schools as well, but Kentucky did this at no energy cost to me and it is a good thing.

I think it's a fairly meaningless thing. What do you expect to change as a result? Suppose every school in the country does this.

Swordsmyth
06-28-2017, 09:53 PM
I think it's a fairly meaningless thing. What do you expect to change as a result? Suppose every school in the country does this.

The main purpose is to teach the children that America was founded by Christians on Christian principles.

r3volution 3.0
06-28-2017, 10:18 PM
The main purpose is to teach the children that America was founded by Christians on Christian principles.

Apart from being largely untrue, I don't see what that would accomplish.

If their image of America remains the distortion presented in the aforementioned propaganda, bringing in religion may make matters worse.

1st Period: "FDR saved America by preventing the rapacious robber barons from starving children and old people..."

2nd Period: "...and these principles on which America is founded can be found in the word of God."

Swordsmyth
06-28-2017, 10:24 PM
Apart from being largely untrue, I don't see what that would accomplish.

If their image of America remains the distortion presented in the aforementioned propaganda, bringing in religion may make matters worse.

1st Period: "FDR saved America by preventing the rapacious robber barons from starving children and old people..."

2nd Period: "...and these principles on which America is founded can be found in the word of God."

They are already bombarded with that kind of propaganda, That is why ending public school is more important.
But the ACLU would like to convince the public that America was not a Christian nation for many different malicious purposes, and it is good that children will be taught otherwise.

kpitcher
06-28-2017, 11:53 PM
maybe they can mix it in with other courses. Sex ed could use Song of Solomon, or talking about emissions like a horse....

I went through a catholic school with a daily religion class. Oddly enough we didn't actually read the bible. Catechism, religious books, books that included verses from the bible, but never actually reading the bible. Decades later my niece is going to the same school. Smaller enrollment and the school has really refocused on their religious aspect. Far harder religion classes discussing things in Junior High that I don't recall ever covering in school. Still the niece has never read the bible in class.

I can only assume Kentucky will be the same way. Here's the official "bible study" book.. no critical thinking involved.

r3volution 3.0
06-29-2017, 01:24 AM
But the ACLU would like to convince the public that America was not a Christian nation for many different malicious purposes, and it is good that children will be taught otherwise.

That's odd, considering that when America was a Christian nation, the Christians were all progressives!

http://www.theshiznit.co.uk/images/screens/american-the-bill-hicks-story-e580e-large.jpg

Progressivism essentially is (a heretical form of) Christianity, and was explicitly so in the not too distant past. When there was religion in the schools, just about every schoolteacher in the country was a low church protestant progressive. The modern school system was built by such people. John Dewey was a characteristic example. Their intellectual (secularized) descendants are hostile to religion, certainly, but is it because religion is some kind of fundamental obstacle to their ideology..? When they rode into power on it...?

Swordsmyth
06-29-2017, 01:27 AM
That's odd, considering that when America was a Christian nation, the Christians were all progressives!

That statement is too ridiculous for words to properly describe.

r3volution 3.0
06-29-2017, 01:35 AM
That statement is too ridiculous for words to properly describe.

Progressivism is the political manifestation of post-millennial pietist Christianity. Northern protestants were always such. The South was converted around the turn of the century. By the "Progressive Era," America Christianity was totally dominated by these types. Dewey, as I mentioned, was one, so was virtually every important progressive intellectual, activist, or politician. The story of the liberty loving Christian society, which was corrupted by atheistic socialists, is pure fiction. Rather you had a Christian socialist society which eventually abandoned the theology and is now just socialist.

Mind you, I'm not saying that Christianity encourages socialism, only that it isn't an inherent obstacle either.

Swordsmyth
06-29-2017, 01:43 AM
Progressivism is the political manifestation of post-millennial pietist Christianity. Northern protestants were always such. The South was converted around the turn of the century. By the "Progressive Era," America Christianity was totally dominated by these types. Dewey, as I mentioned, was one, so was virtually every important progressive intellectual, activist, or politician. The story of the liberty living Christian society, which was corrupted by atheistic socialists, is pure fiction. Rather you had a Christian socialist society which eventually abandoned the theology and is now just socialist.
First you said all now you say most, will you next say "Would you believe a whole lot"?
Sorry Max but even Progressive Christianity was better than Progressive Atheism and their dominance of American Christianity was and is nowhere near as clear cut as you want it to be, and America's Christian Foundation is an important element of our history.


P.S. Yankees barely counted as Americans in the first place.

r3volution 3.0
06-29-2017, 01:59 AM
First you said all now you say most, will you next say "Would you believe a whole lot"?

What are you referring to..?


Sorry Max but even Progressive Christianity was better than Progressive Atheism and their dominance of American Christianity was and is nowhere near as clear cut as you want it to be, and America's Christian Foundation is an important element of our history.

Apart from the wierdosexual movement, people wanting to be penguins, and the like, there's really not much difference.

Environmentalism, unionism, economic regulation, safety regulation, inflation, nationalizing industry, welfare, "liberal" imperialism.

It's not new. It didn't come from the Frankfurt School. It came from upstate New York (good title for a horror movie BTW).


P.S. Yankees barely counted as Americans in the first place.

Well, I don't disagree with the sentiment, but they were half the population, basically all of it once the South converted c. 1900.

Swordsmyth
06-29-2017, 02:05 AM
What are you referring to..?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hd2e_tRBlY

Swordsmyth
06-29-2017, 02:07 AM
Apart from the wierdosexual movement, people wanting to be penguins, and the like, there's really not much difference.

Environmentalism, unionism, economic regulation, safety regulation, inflation, nationalizing industry, welfare, "liberal" imperialism.

It's not new. It didn't come from the Frankfurt School. It came from upstate New York (good title for a horror movie BTW).
Atheism and Evolution are like Gasoline poured on all those problems, they strip away all moral inhibitions and unleash every vice.

r3volution 3.0
06-29-2017, 02:20 AM
Atheism and Evolution are like Gasoline poured on all those problems, they strip away all moral inhibitions and unleash every vice.

Which of those problems....


Environmentalism, unionism, economic regulation, safety regulation, inflation, nationalizing industry, welfare, "liberal" imperialism.

...has anything to do with atheism or evolution?

"God does not exist, therefore, AT&T should have a state sponsored monopoly." ...?

Swordsmyth
06-29-2017, 02:23 AM
Which of those problems....



...has anything to do with atheism or evolution?

They each have to do with one or more vices, and when man is told there is no GOD and no coming judgement then both consciously and sub-consciously he unleashes his vices.
Everything gets worse.

Swordsmyth
06-29-2017, 02:26 AM
"God does not exist, therefore, AT&T should have a state sponsored monopoly." ...?
Therefore government should give me everything I want, even if AT&T can also use government to take what it wants.

r3volution 3.0
06-29-2017, 02:38 AM
They each have to do with one or more vices, and when man is told there is no GOD and no coming judgement then both consciously and sub-consciously he unleashes his vices.
Everything gets worse.

The leftist policies I cited were pursued by the Christian progressives because they believed in God and did expect to be judged. Specifically, they believed that their own salvation depended on saving everyone else, which they sought to do by eradicating the conditions which lead to sin (drinking, poverty, ignorance, etc). Hence they enlisted the state to ban liquor, and centrally plan the economy, and run a compulsory education system, etc. When this theology dropped out and these people became the secular progressives we endure today, the policies didn't change, only the underlying rationale did. It's similar with communism, which was originally Christian and remained so for the most part until Marx. The programme didn't change with the abandonment of religion, only the groundwork. Atheism didn't make Marx a communist, it only made him invent historical materialism as a rationale for it, in place of the theological rationale that previous communists used and he'd abandoned.

Ender
06-29-2017, 10:05 AM
I'd rather spend the energy getting rid of public schools as well, but Kentucky did this at no energy cost to me and it is a good thing.

As a minister, I disagree.

Who's POV will the religious doctrine be taught from? Catholic? Protestant? Mormon? Lutheran? Scientology? Atheist? Allowing religious acknowledgment is good- some idiot teacher who knows nothin' about nothin' teaching whatever- is not good.

Getting rid of the public school system should be paramount; NOTHING else is more important.

Swordsmyth
06-29-2017, 11:33 AM
The leftist policies I cited were pursued by the Christian progressives because they believed in God and did expect to be judged. Specifically, they believed that their own salvation depended on saving everyone else, which they sought to do by eradicating the conditions which lead to sin (drinking, poverty, ignorance, etc). Hence they enlisted the state to ban liquor, and centrally plan the economy, and run a compulsory education system, etc. When this theology dropped out and these people became the secular progressives we endure today, the policies didn't change, only the underlying rationale did. It's similar with communism, which was originally Christian and remained so for the most part until Marx. The programme didn't change with the abandonment of religion, only the groundwork. Atheism didn't make Marx a communist, it only made him invent historical materialism as a rationale for it, in place of the theological rationale that previous communists used and he'd abandoned.

I never said the policies changed I said they got worse.

Swordsmyth
06-29-2017, 11:35 AM
As a minister, I disagree.

Who's POV will the religious doctrine be taught from? Catholic? Protestant? Mormon? Lutheran? Scientology? Atheist? Allowing religious acknowledgment is good- some idiot teacher who knows nothin' about nothin' teaching whatever- is not good.

Getting rid of the public school system should be paramount; NOTHING else is more important.

Read what I said carefully I would not spend energy to achieve this, I would only spend energy to end public schools.

heavenlyboy34
06-29-2017, 01:38 PM
maybe they can mix it in with other courses. Sex ed could use Song of Solomon, or talking about emissions like a horse....

I went through a catholic school with a daily religion class. Oddly enough we didn't actually read the bible. Catechism, religious books, books that included verses from the bible, but never actually reading the bible. Decades later my niece is going to the same school. Smaller enrollment and the school has really refocused on their religious aspect. Far harder religion classes discussing things in Junior High that I don't recall ever covering in school. Still the niece has never read the bible in class.

I can only assume Kentucky will be the same way. Here's the official "bible study" book.. no critical thinking involved.
Catechism isn't supposed to be a bible study class. It's general Catholic theology to prepare you to be a grown-up Roman Catholic conversant in the faith. Systematic study of the Bible is a different class.

Ender
06-29-2017, 02:21 PM
Read what I said carefully I would not spend energy to achieve this, I would only spend energy to end public schools.

But you DID say this:


So you would rather have them push secularism?
You and I can find common ground in that I want to end public schools, but until then they should be required to acknowledge the Bible's role in history

No matter how you phrase it, some atheist teaching the "value" of the Bible ain't gonna happen.

TheCount
06-29-2017, 11:45 PM
Something something muh culture

angelatc
06-29-2017, 11:56 PM
No shit. He probably loves the idea that government is wrapped up into what should be secular marriages.

The Founders used government to fund churches. We're pretty big on the Founders around here.

Swordsmyth
06-29-2017, 11:59 PM
The Founders used government to fund churches. We're pretty big on the Founders around here.
There I disagree with some of the founders.
Government should not be giving my tax money to any private organization.

Anti Federalist
06-30-2017, 12:10 AM
The leftist policies I cited were pursued by the Christian progressives because they believed in God and did expect to be judged. Specifically, they believed that their own salvation depended on saving everyone else, which they sought to do by eradicating the conditions which lead to sin (drinking, poverty, ignorance, etc). Hence they enlisted the state to ban liquor, and centrally plan the economy, and run a compulsory education system, etc. When this theology dropped out and these people became the secular progressives we endure today, the policies didn't change, only the underlying rationale did. It's similar with communism, which was originally Christian and remained so for the most part until Marx. The programme didn't change with the abandonment of religion, only the groundwork. Atheism didn't make Marx a communist, it only made him invent historical materialism as a rationale for it, in place of the theological rationale that previous communists used and he'd abandoned.

He's right, you know.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
06-30-2017, 12:18 AM
Something something muh culture

Something something muh progressivism.

Swordsmyth
06-30-2017, 12:19 AM
He's right, you know.
And like I said to him: Atheism Makes Everything Worse, all inhibitions are cast aside and every vice is put into overdrive.

Anti Federalist
06-30-2017, 12:49 PM
And like I said to him: Atheism Makes Everything Worse, all inhibitions are cast aside and every vice is put into overdrive.

That very well may be but the fact remains that huge leaps in the government and "nanny statism" was fueled by pressure from "Christian Progressives" looking to use religious morality as a basis to stamp out any number of perceived vices, from drinking to poverty to slavery to gambling and hosts of others including "social injustices".

They are now at the vanguard of opening the "Gates of Vienna" to millions of impoverished third world hordes in the name of "Christian charity and compassion".

TheCount
06-30-2017, 03:39 PM
And like I said to him: Atheism Makes Everything Worse, all inhibitions are cast aside and every vice is put into overdrive.

Mandatory alegbra didn't make everyone a mathematician.

Mandatory Bible study won't make everyone a Christian.

Swordsmyth
06-30-2017, 03:45 PM
Mandatory alegbra didn't make everyone a mathematician.

Mandatory Bible study won't make everyone a Christian.
The class is not mandatory.

otherone
06-30-2017, 04:19 PM
And like I said to him: Atheism Makes Everything Worse, all inhibitions are cast aside and every vice is put into overdrive.

Atheism is the worship of the state, in that morality is defined by legality. Vice isn't the issue; laws in defiance of Natural Law is.

r3volution 3.0
06-30-2017, 09:06 PM
I never said the policies changed I said they got worse.

Perhaps you can explain how things got worse without changing?

Tell me which roads to Leviathan weren't already built prior to the emergence of popular atheism?

Swordsmyth
06-30-2017, 09:12 PM
Perhaps you can explain how things got worse without changing?
They became more extreme.

r3volution 3.0
06-30-2017, 09:23 PM
They became more extreme.

How so?

Swordsmyth
06-30-2017, 09:27 PM
How so?
It is not necessary or practical for me to elaborate on the downward spiral of the entire political spectrum.
Everything has gotten much worse since Atheism became the official culture of our government.
Are you trying to claim things did not get worse?

r3volution 3.0
06-30-2017, 09:31 PM
It is not necessary or practical for me to elaborate on the downward spiral of the entire political spectrum.
Everything has gotten much worse since Atheism became the official culture of our government.
Are you trying to claim things did not get worse?

Things have indisputably gotten worse.

I'm claiming that it doesn't have anything to do with religion one way or the other.

Christianity (or any other religion) neither hastens nor impedes socialism.

There are more fundamental aspects of human nature (like greed) which determine the course of events.

Swordsmyth
06-30-2017, 09:43 PM
Things have indisputably gotten worse.

I'm claiming that it doesn't have anything to do with religion one way or the other.

Christianity (or any other religion) neither hastens nor impedes socialism.

There are more fundamental aspects of human nature (like greed) which determine the course of events.
And those "more fundamental aspects of human nature (like greed)" are unleashed by atheism.

r3volution 3.0
06-30-2017, 09:46 PM
And those "more fundamental aspects of human nature (like greed)" are unleashed by atheism.

Tell it to the Taborites

https://mises.org/library/karl-marx-religious-eschatologist#communismkingdom

Swordsmyth
06-30-2017, 09:52 PM
Tell it to the Taborites

https://mises.org/library/karl-marx-religious-eschatologist#communismkingdom

Some people will go quite mad without atheism, history is full of cults.
But if you want all of society to put their vices on steroids and stop at nothing to get what they want and impose their will on anyone they can, then teach them there is no GOD and no coming judgement, they will believe that they have nothing to lose and that might makes right.

r3volution 3.0
06-30-2017, 10:00 PM
Some people will go quite mad without atheism, history is full of cults.
But if you want all of society to put their vices on steroids and stop at nothing to get what they want and impose their will on anyone they can, then teach them there is no GOD and no coming judgement, they will believe that they have nothing to lose and that might makes right.

You overestimate the public.