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tommyrp12
06-28-2017, 11:59 AM
Elizabeth Warren: ‘The next step is single-payer’ health care (http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/elizabeth-warren-the-next-step-is-single-payer-health-care/)

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/elizabeth-warren-the-next-step-is-single-payer-health-care/


WASHINGTON — Sen. Elizabeth Warren said Tuesday that opposing the Republican health-care bill wasn’t enough and the Democratic Party should start running on a new national single-payer plan.
“President Obama tried to move us forward with health-care coverage by using a conservative model that came from one of the conservative think tanks that had been advanced by a Republican governor in Massachusetts,” she told The Wall Street Journal. ”Now it’s time for the next step. And the next step is single payer.”


“The progressive agenda is America’s agenda,” she said. “It’s not like we’re trying to sell stuff that people don’t want … It’s not that at all. It’s that we haven’t gotten up there and been as clear about our values as we should be, or as clear and concrete about how we’re going to get there.”

Run Liz Run!!!

CPUd
06-28-2017, 12:05 PM
Now this looks more like something Trump can get behind.

goldenequity
06-28-2017, 12:07 PM
Keep in mind... the UK is a 'single payer' healthcare system. Ya feel me? :cool:
It doesn't guarantee ANYTHING by the time they're 'done' with it.

tommyrp12
06-28-2017, 04:25 PM
Keep in mind... the UK is a 'single payer' healthcare system. Ya feel me? :cool:
It doesn't guarantee ANYTHING by the time they're 'done' with it.

I'm not pro single payer.

phill4paul
06-28-2017, 04:35 PM
She's not wrong, you know?


“The progressive agenda is America’s agenda,” she said. “It’s not like we’re trying to sell stuff that people don’t want … It’s not that at all. It’s that we haven’t gotten up there and been as clear about our values as we should be, or as clear and concrete about how we’re going to get there.”

oyarde
06-28-2017, 04:36 PM
I would surmise that over 90 percent of americans would get less and worse health care under single payer than they currently have . So , yes , that is her goal , to make the other 9 of ea 10 of you suffer after raising the cost . Pay more get less .

Origanalist
06-28-2017, 04:39 PM
Single payer can work, it just hasn't been done right yet.

phill4paul
06-28-2017, 05:01 PM
Single payer can work, it just hasn't been done right yet.

Once upon a time a singular person went to a doctor. They worked out an agreement where the doctor would charge the singular person and the singular person would pay him. That was when it was being done right.
And like everything to do with government the words they use are in direct opposition to what is happening. How the hell is universal insurance equated to "single payer." There's not a single payer. There's hundreds of millions.

tommyrp12
06-28-2017, 05:11 PM
She's not wrong, you know?

She used the term sell in the pedestrian sense, but she meant force it upon the public. That's typical of her.

tommyrp12
06-28-2017, 05:15 PM
Single payer can work, it just hasn't been done right yet.

I will pray to Marx and Engels tonight so that our politicians might find a way.

Origanalist
06-28-2017, 07:27 PM
I will pray to Marx and Engels tonight so that our politicians might find a way.

Maybe put in a word to Chairman Mao while you're at it.

William Tell
06-28-2017, 07:29 PM
She wants people to DIE.

timosman
06-28-2017, 09:58 PM
Maybe put in a word to Chairman Mao while you're at it.

Comrade Stalin should not be forgotten.

juleswin
06-28-2017, 10:02 PM
These people will never implement single payer. They had the white house, senate and house and still implemented Romneycare. If they wanted single payer, they would have done it long ago.

oyarde
06-28-2017, 10:06 PM
Maybe put in a word to Chairman Mao while you're at it.

I talked to him , he said he is killing everyone because they lack dedication .

juleswin
06-28-2017, 10:08 PM
You people should understand that all these pols are frauds all the way from Bernie Sanders to Elizabeth Warren. The Warren of the OP refused to support Sanders in the primaries even though he supported single payer but instead supported Hillary Clinton who is not.

Danke
06-28-2017, 10:12 PM
You people should understand that all these pols are frauds all the way from Bernie Sanders to Elizabeth Warren. The Warren of the OP refused to support Sanders in the primaries even though he supported single payer but instead supported Hillary Clinton who is not.

Maybe she is not a single issue voter...

oyarde
06-28-2017, 10:14 PM
Maybe she is not a single issue voter...

Never trust a Cherokee

William Tell
06-28-2017, 10:18 PM
Never trust a Cherokee

They call them civilized because they're easy to sneak up on.

oyarde
06-28-2017, 10:21 PM
They call them civilized because they're easy to sneak up on.

Turncoats threw in the towel too early . Shifty by nature . Giving real Redskins a bad name . Cannot make america great again like that .

Anti Federalist
06-28-2017, 10:23 PM
She's not wrong, you know?

Nope, she's not.

Not wrong about this either:


“President Obama tried to move us forward with health-care coverage by using a conservative model that came from one of the conservative think tanks that had been advanced by a Republican governor in Massachusetts,” she told The Wall Street Journal. ”Now it’s time for the next step. And the next step is single payer.”

Designed to fail from day one.

You'll see government paid universal health care within five to ten years.

And then AmeriKunts will get just what they have wanted for all these years...they will get it good and hard.

VIDEODROME
06-28-2017, 10:39 PM
Bernie Sanders seems to be a big fan of Scandinavia health care plans involving socialist plans. Do these work? Or not work? Or is Sanders misrepresenting how they actually work?

Danke
06-28-2017, 10:49 PM
Never trust a Cherokee

"Cherokee?" That is a type of Injun, right?

oyarde
06-28-2017, 10:53 PM
"Cherokee?" That is a type of Injun, right?

That is what Warren claimed to be .

r3volution 3.0
06-28-2017, 10:57 PM
She wants people to DIE.

Nah, she wants to get elected, and knows that the surest way to a voter's heart is through another voter's pocket.

oyarde
06-28-2017, 11:00 PM
Bernie Sanders seems to be a big fan of Scandinavia health care plans involving socialist plans. Do these work? Or not work? Or is Sanders misrepresenting how they actually work?

True , Warren should have claimed she was a Viking . They are all commies .

timosman
06-28-2017, 11:49 PM
True , Warren should have claimed she was a Viking . They are all commies .

You mean democratic socialists?

juleswin
06-29-2017, 05:40 AM
Maybe she is not a single issue voter...

Or maybe she is a fraud. She was supposedly in more in line with Bernie than Hillary but backed her anyway during a close primary. Liberals like Bernie now talking up single payers stayed mum while single payer was taken off the table during Obamacare debate, why do you think they did that?

CaptUSA
06-29-2017, 07:44 AM
I think single-payer is a foregone conclusion at this point. It's just a matter of time.

Of course, you don't really get single-payer. That's just for the middle and lower classes. Quality health care will still be available for a price. We have single-payer primary education, but the wealthy still use private schools.

If there were truly a "single" single-payer system with no black market, you'd see these same people calling for a free market solution in a heartbeat! Single-payer may be fine for thee, but not for me!

ILUVRP
06-29-2017, 07:54 AM
i think that single payer has good points and bad points , most of the western world has single payer and about all have longer Life expectancy than we do .

the US should send some very smart people to the western world countries and do a study on their health care and find out their good and bad points , then try and use all the good points to use here .

the countries have already done the hard part so we can use all their good parts .

Madison320
06-29-2017, 07:59 AM
Maybe we could try free market health care?

ILUVRP
06-29-2017, 08:07 AM
Maybe we could try free market health care?

our health care is over 17% of our gdp , all western world countries with " single payer " it is 10-11% .

Madison320
06-29-2017, 08:13 AM
our health care is over 17% of our gdp , all western world countries with " single payer " it is 10-11% .

Yup, that's why I'm suggesting we try free market health care.

ILUVRP
06-29-2017, 08:37 AM
Yup, that's why I'm suggesting we try free market health care.

i will believe our congress/potus want to do anything good for americans health care is when our drugs are the same cost as they are in canada , both dems and repubs always vote against it .

TheTexan
06-29-2017, 08:38 AM
Single payer is good but wouldn't zero payer be better?

Ender
06-29-2017, 10:08 AM
Maybe we could try free market health care?

That is the ONLY answer. Gov out- freedom in.

Health costs will suddenly be affordable and medicines will suddenly work. SHOCKER.

CaptUSA
06-29-2017, 10:10 AM
i will believe our congress/potus want to do anything good for americans health care is when our drugs are the same cost as they are in canada , both dems and repubs always vote against it .

Um... You understand that that is impossible, right? The reason why other countries can keep drug prices low is because they're being subsidized by the F'd up system in this country. If we forced pharm companies to lower prices here, they'd go up EVERYWHERE - or more likely, they'd go away.

Madison320
06-29-2017, 10:18 AM
Um... You understand that that is impossible, right? The reason why other countries can keep drug prices low is because they're being subsidized by the F'd up system in this country. If we forced pharm companies to lower prices here, they'd go up EVERYWHERE - or more likely, they'd go away.

I agree. I heard a good analogy from Walter Williams. It's like a child discount for a movie ticket. If you forced the theater owners to charge the same price they'd have to charge the adult price for everyone. The reason they can offer discounts is because it's for a small segment of their customer base. They couldn't afford it if the discount was for everyone.

Besides that forcing companies to charge the same amount violates basic contract rights. A business should be able to enter into any contract it wants as long as it's voluntary.

Madison320
06-29-2017, 10:20 AM
The best part about "single payer" is that it'll make my gold go up. That's one good thing about owning gold. When politicians do stupid things, it goes up.

TheTexan
06-29-2017, 10:23 AM
The best part about "single payer" is that it'll make my gold go up. That's one good thing about owning gold. When politicians do stupid things, it goes up.

I still prefer LMT. It goes up basically no matter what

CaptUSA
06-29-2017, 10:27 AM
I agree. I heard a good analogy from Walter Williams. It's like a child discount for a movie ticket. If you forced the theater owners to charge the same price they'd have to charge the adult price for everyone. The reason they can offer discounts is because it's for a small segment of their customer base. They couldn't afford it if the discount was for everyone.

Besides that forcing companies to charge the same amount violates basic contract rights. A business should be able to enter into any contract it wants as long as it's voluntary.
That's a good analogy, but it's even more dangerous than that. R&D for medicines is EXPENSIVE! The only reason why pharm companies do it is to earn a profit once the drug gets to market. Notice that word? "Market"?

Now, if a company in Canada, let's say, decides to violate a patent to undercut the price of a drug, the US company would have wasted all that R&D. They'd never get a profit! Which is why they agree with socialist countries to keep the prices low so that the governments in those countries enforce "US" patent protections.

It's easy to see where this leads if you remove the profit motive entirely.

euphemia
06-29-2017, 10:57 AM
I'm not pro single payer.

I am, if the single payer is the patient who can work out his agreement with the provider. Even with insurance I have to pay four or five other bills just to have a mammogram. How about I pay the technician who provides the service and call it a day?

Madison320
06-29-2017, 12:31 PM
I am, if the single payer is the patient who can work out his agreement with the provider. Even with insurance I have to pay four or five other bills just to have a mammogram. How about I pay the technician who provides the service and call it a day?

That's right and that's why we need to get rid of the licensing requirements. Anytime I bring up end licensing requirements to someone they strongly disagree. But I wonder if they'd still disagree if their insurance bill got cut in half?

euphemia
06-29-2017, 12:46 PM
I don't know if I want an untrained technician doing my mammogram. Garage doors on the ta-tas is enough discomfort. I don't want some hamfisted so-and-so smushing what took me a long time to grow.

I think there is a lot of deregulation that can happen without taking away an objective standard for patient care. The medical industry has done a rather poor job of policing itself.

CaptUSA
06-29-2017, 12:49 PM
I don't know if I want an untrained technician doing my mammogram. Garage doors on the ta-tas is enough discomfort. I don't want some hamfisted so-and-so smushing what took me a long time to grow.

I think there is a lot of deregulation that can happen without taking away an objective standard for patient care. The medical industry has done a rather poor job of policing itself.

Funny how you equate "licensing" with an objective standard for care. (BTW, there are plenty of certifications that don't involve government.)

nikcers
06-29-2017, 12:54 PM
Funny how you equate "licensing" with an objective standard for care.

Rand Paul tried to take on the licensing racket before he became a politician, there is no competition to the medical industrial complex monopoly.