Why The Democratic Party Is Doomed

[Swordsmyth]

Julian Assange, a man who has certainly taken his fair share of the blame for Hillary's loss last November, has just taken to Twitter to list out the 6 reasons why the "the Democratic party is doomed."

Why the Democratic party is doomed: 1. The Democratic establishment has vortexed the party's narrative (cont) https://t.co/oSexJulCXS
— Julian Assange (@JulianAssange) June 25, 2017 (https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/878771861827530754)

Assange's assessment is spot on and covers many of the themes we discuss on a daily basis. To summarize, Assange asserts that the Democratic party essentially severed ties with the working class long ago due to their inability to craft a cohesive political agenda. Identity politics subsequently took the place of a solid legislative agenda but that "short-term tactic has led to the inevitable strategic catastrophe of the white and male super majorities responding by seeing themselves as an unserviced political identity group."
That said, in 2016, the failures of the Democratic party went well beyond an out-of-touch agenda as WikiLeaks managed to expose the outright corruption of the DNC and political elites that were, up until that point, held up as royalty. But, rather than tuck tail and run, the political elites of the Democratic party have attempted to hold on to their power base by recklessly pushing the "Trump-Russian collusion narrative" which is a "political dead end."
In the end, Assange suggests that "the Democratic base should move to start a new party since the party elite shows no signs that they will give up power."

More at: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-25/assange-outlines-six-reasons-why-democratic-party-doomed

[Danke]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?496253-Schadenfreude&highlight=schadenfreude

[CPUd]

http://i.imgur.com/FfbKOoh.jpg

[Swordsmyth]

http://i.imgur.com/FfbKOoh.jpg

And the Demoncrats are and do all those things worse.

[Swordsmyth]

Perhaps when the Demoncrats collapse people will stop voting for the "lesser of 2 evils" and 3rd parties will stand a chance.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I notice all the progressives on this forum spout those issues, but have little to say about other liberty issues. Interesting.




http://i.imgur.com/FfbKOoh.jpg

[CPUd]

http://i.imgur.com/t46b1aS.jpg

[Swordsmyth]

http://i.imgur.com/t46b1aS.jpg

It does when the LEFT boot is spiked.

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tradeworkwear.co.nz%2Fmedia%2F catalog%2Fproduct%2Fcache%2F2%2Fimage%2F9df78eab33 525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95%2Ff%2Fs%2Ffsx0133---web.jpg&f=1

[CPUd]

http://i.imgur.com/eLe52N1.jpg

[Swordsmyth]

http://i.imgur.com/eLe52N1.jpg

And the LEFT is more Tyrannical.

[CPUd]

http://i.imgur.com/kVw3hHG.jpg

[heavenlyboy34]

If the dems ever went away, the GOP would find a way to rebuild them. The War Party needs party politics to keep the masses of Boobus divided, conquered, subdued, and pacified.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

[pics]


[pics]


Your pics are true to an extent, but why do so many libertarians/liberty minded people identify with conservatives/Republicans? Is is because they think they have to choose one over the other? Or, if you tallied up all issues (especially local issues), then would there be more liberty positions aligning with conservative ones? I have some thoughts, but really don't know. Liberty is qualitatively different from both, but how would you explain? From a poll:



But they [libertarians] are a highly conservative, Republican one. 57 percent of libertarians identify as conservatives in the PRRI poll, while a scant three percent identified as liberals. 45 percent of libertarians identify as Republicans and 39 percent “identify with the Tea Party movement.” 57 percent of libertarians have favorable views of the Republican Party, while a whopping 89 percent have unfavorable views of the Democratic Party.
https://www.prri.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/2013.AVS_WEB.pdf

[Swordsmyth]

Your pics are true to an extent, but why do so many libertarians/liberty minded people identify with conservatives/Republicans? Is is because they think they have to choose one over the other? Or, if you tallied up all issues (especially local issues), then would there be more liberty positions aligning with conservative ones? I have some thoughts, but really don't know. Liberty is qualitatively different from both, but how would you explain? From a poll:


At some point the Democrats turned into Communists, The Republicans are distinctly better on many issues. (though not nearly good enough)

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YoYUaerZnK8/U0x4gn0P5GI/AAAAAAAAAdc/LRxOlUrBaJ4/s1600/publicreligion.org+site+wp+content+uploads+2013+10 +2013.AVS_WEB3.png



https://www.prri.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/2013.AVS_WEB.pdf, page 11

[Ender]

http://i.imgur.com/eLe52N1.jpg

2nd verse, same as the first.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Is part of it because of economic issues? Men with families focus a lot on money issues. Women tend to lean Democrat (more often than not). If a man abandons his family, then the woman is going to find somebody to take care of her kids. It's just a maternal survival instinct. By hook or by crook. That somebody she seeks to look after her kids in a post-industrial world will not be family. It will often be the government.

[nikcers]

Why the libertarian party is doomed.

[KrokHead]

None of you would admit it but if the Democrats EVER cut our taxes we'd fly the BLM flag and be all for transgender bathrooms.

Libertarians are Republicans because Republicans at least pretend they want to cut our taxes. In the end one party is Satan and the other is the Devil.

[CaptUSA]

At some point the Democrats turned into Communists, The Republicans are distinctly better on many issues. (though not nearly good enough)

Lol, you must be reading their literature. Because in practice, it's hard to see a difference.

Hell, the Republicans have control of ALL THREE branches of the federal government. All three. And a favorable SC. Please tell me the "better" legislation they've done.

I'll wait.............................................. .......



(In my mind, the only difference is that it's marginally easier to sell a liberty message to the GOP electorate - which means we can sometimes get a Paul, Massie, or Amash elected on that side of the aisle. But when it comes to power, the party still wants more of it. And that's what they fight for - just like the dems. It takes a special breed to want to give power away to the people.)

[ILUVRP]

i honestly believe that if the founding fathers could see what kind of government we have now ( since eisenhower ) they would have made america a parliamentary government type , they did not want america to be ruled by a king , but that is what we now and we can't change it .

google up the countries that have a president and see what company we are keeping .

i think that all governments are somewhere on a line , on the left end of the line is socialist and on the right end is fascist , repub/dems/libertarian/labor or any other are just names that are somewhere on the line .

[CaptUSA]

i think that all governments are somewhere on a line , on the left end of the line is socialist and on the right end is fascist , repub/dems/libertarian/labor or any other are just names that are somewhere on the line .

Hmmm... I see it more like this:

Anarchy-------------------------------------------------------------Authoritarianism


Words like "socialism" and "fascism" are just different flavors of authoritarianism. I don't really get caught up in the flavors of tyranny. Once you've accepted that you need to be ruled, does it really matter much how that rule is administered?

[CPUd]

Hmmm... I see it more like this:

Anarchy-------------------------------------------------------------Authoritarianism


Words like "socialism" and "fascism" are just different flavors of authoritarianism. I don't really get caught up in the flavors of tyranny. Once you've accepted that you need to be ruled, does it really matter much how that rule is administered?

That's what makes the whole "globalist versus nationalist" meme so laughable, because either way, it's statism.

[timosman]

That's what makes the whole "globalist versus nationalist" meme so laughable, because either way, it's statism.

and we need anarchy?:rolleyes:

[Todd]

Funny how every couple of years we have stories about the impending doom of each party. Just last year prior to the Trump victory everyone was talking about the demise of the GOP. Now the Democrats are on the ropes.

Keep on believing that tripe. :rolleyes:

[CPUd]

Funny how every couple of years we have stories about the impending doom of each party. Just last year prior to the Trump victory everyone was talking about the demise of the GOP. Now the Democrats are on the ropes.

Keep on believing that tripe. :rolleyes:

This is what drives their fundraising.

[CaptUSA]

This is what drives their fundraising.

Don't forget the media. FOXNews had huge ratings during Obama's tenure. Now, CNN and MSNBC are getting the windfall.

Hmmm... It's almost like the "opposition" benefits more... Who'da thunk it?

[CaptUSA]

and we need anarchy?:rolleyes:

Unlike some here, I don't advocate for pure anarchy, but it's hard to argue that any form of statism is better.

[oyarde]

If the dems ever went away, the GOP would find a way to rebuild them. The War Party needs party politics to keep the masses of Boobus divided, conquered, subdued, and pacified.

LOL , I guess they could arm Isis here .

[timosman]

LOL , I guess they could arm Isis here .

Could?

[oyarde]

Could?

currently I think the FBI does that . No need for them , fire them all and let the political parties fill the role with donations saving tax monies .

[heavenlyboy34]

LOL , I guess they could arm Isis here .

LOL :D Back in the 20th century the progressive Right wing split from the GOP and won POTUS with comrade Taft's Bull-Moose gang. I would expect something similar in the future.

[Swordsmyth]

None of you would admit it but if the Democrats EVER cut our taxes we'd fly the BLM flag and be all for transgender bathrooms.

Libertarians are Republicans because Republicans at least pretend they want to cut our taxes. In the end one party is Satan and the other is the Devil.

Speak for yourself, somethings are more important than money, it is just that attitude that dooms "Libertarians" decent folk are turned off and the perverse prefer the democrats, only small minded accountant types are so money focused.

[Swordsmyth]

Lol, you must be reading their literature. Because in practice, it's hard to see a difference.

Hell, the Republicans have control of ALL THREE branches of the federal government. All three. And a favorable SC. Please tell me the "better" legislation they've done.

I'll wait.............................................. .......



(In my mind, the only difference is that it's marginally easier to sell a liberty message to the GOP electorate - which means we can sometimes get a Paul, Massie, or Amash elected on that side of the aisle. But when it comes to power, the party still wants more of it. And that's what they fight for - just like the dems. It takes a special breed to want to give power away to the people.)

The difference lies in what they don't do, the Demoncrats actively try to destroy America from every possible angle.

[Swordsmyth]

Funny how every couple of years we have stories about the impending doom of each party. Just last year prior to the Trump victory everyone was talking about the demise of the GOP. Now the Democrats are on the ropes.

Keep on believing that tripe. :rolleyes:

Both are nearing collapse, Dump's victory has put the Repubs on life support for now but they are still headed for the slag heap on their present course.

[Swordsmyth]

Unlike some here, I don't advocate for pure anarchy, but it's hard to argue that any form of statism is better.
Well some forms are better and others are worse, while some are in between.

[CPUd]

http://i.imgur.com/ug51NGh.jpg

[CaptUSA]

The difference lies in what they don't do, the Demoncrats actively try to destroy America from every possible angle.

Lol - you really haven't been paying attention, have you?

The last time the GOP controlled things, they started 2 wars, had the biggest medicare expansion, had the biggest federal government involvement in education, and blew out the debt.

So glad we didn't have democrats in there. :rolleyes:


This swordsmyth guy still thinks there's a difference between the parties... Still waiting on that evidence...

[Todd]

Both are nearing collapse, Dump's victory has put the Repubs on life support for now but they are still headed for the slag heap on their present course.

Collapse into what? Can you imagine the political system with no left right conflict? Not going to happen.

[Swordsmyth]

Lol - you really haven't been paying attention, have you?

The last time the GOP controlled things, they started 2 wars, had the biggest medicare expansion, had the biggest federal government involvement in education, and blew out the debt.

So glad we didn't have democrats in there. :rolleyes:


This swordsmyth guy still thinks there's a difference between the parties... Still waiting on that evidence...
Were you Hibernating during Obummer?

[Swordsmyth]

Collapse into what? Can you imagine the political system with no left right conflict? Not going to happen.
Of course they will be replaced, just like when the whigs collapsed, it is possible that we can affect the replacement and turn it into an improvement.

[CaptUSA]

Were you Hibernating during Obummer?

Are you kidding me?! Is that the best you got? Check my post history.

And then try to answer the question... I'm still waiting on something that the GOP did better - or even something that they didn't do... Really, anything to back up your assertion that there's a difference. Quit dodging.

[nikcers]

Were you Hibernating during Obummer?

So far Trump is the same or worse on foreign policy. He was supposed to restore peaceful ties and trade with Russia, that was his one job and so far Russia says he is worse then Obama.

[Swordsmyth]

Are you kidding me?! Is that the best you got? Check my post history.

And then try to answer the question... I'm still waiting on something that the GOP did better - or even something that they didn't do... Really, anything to back up your assertion that there's a difference. Quit dodging.
There are too many things to name but an obvious one is the "bathroom" issue, I agree that the Repubs do most of the same things, but they do them less and they do not do all of them.

[Swordsmyth]

So far Trump is the same or worse on foreign policy. He was supposed to restore peaceful ties and trade with Russia, that was his one job and so far Russia says he is worse then Obama.
I have no love for Dump's foreign policy, but he did pull us out of TPP and the Paris agreement, and Russia and he are playing a very tricky game, they must pretend to be on bad terms so as not to feed the "Dump is in the pay of Putin" line.

[bunklocoempire]

There are too many things to name but an obvious one is the "bathroom" issue, I agree that the Repubs do most of the same things, but they do them less and they do not do all of them.

That's how good cop bad cop works.

[Swordsmyth]

That's how good cop bad cop works.
And that is why I will cheer when both parties collapse.
I do not love the Repubs, but I will cheer louder for the demise of the "Greater Satan" and I will feel relief from the Demoncrats onslaught when they are out.

[nikcers]

I have no love for Dump's foreign policy, but he did pull us out of TPP and the Paris agreement, and Russia and he are playing a very tricky game, they must pretend to be on bad terms so as not to feed the "Dump is in the pay of Putin" line.

Giving the MIC full control of the foreign policy is definitely a negative. With the CIA ordering drone strikes and the MIC determining troop levels in Afghanistan and Syria the MIC has full control to continue the anti Russian foreign policy in the middle east. How is Trump controlling the MIC, and stopping them for enacting their goals if he gives them full authorization?

This is beyond Trump at this point and his administration, his administration that he hand picked. I don't know if you were here, but Trump ran against Ron Paul in 2011 because he said he didn't even think in terms of Israel and said a vote for him in Iowa would be a wasted vote. This is not 4d chess against Russia, we are going to war with them.

[Swordsmyth]

Giving the MIC full control of the foreign policy is definitely a negative. With the CIA ordering drone strikes and the MIC determining troop levels in Afghanistan and Syria the MIC has full control to continue the anti Russian foreign policy in the middle east. How is Trump controlling the MIC, and stopping them for enacting their goals if he gives them full authorization?

This is beyond Trump at this point and his administration, his administration that he hand picked. I don't know if you were here, but Trump ran against Ron Paul in 2011 because he said he didn't even think in terms of Israel and said a vote for him in Iowa would be a wasted vote. This is not 4d chess against Russia, we are going to war with them.
We shall see.

[goldenequity]

DNC/Dem 'establishment' might be ded... but
Alt Left is alive... no silly, not ANTIFA.

H.A. Goodman is one example...
and there's this guy: Tim Black


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wYPpmUE5NI





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI3iN6Em92U


I name them... lest we 'imagine' all the disenfranchised liberals 'fit' into some kind of cartoon meme.
carry on. :)

[Swordsmyth]

DNC/Dem 'establishment' might be ded... but
Alt Left is alive... no silly, not ANTIFA.

H.A. Goodman is one example...
and there's this guy: Tim Black


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wYPpmUE5NI





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI3iN6Em92U


I name them... lest we 'imagine' all the disenfranchised liberals 'fit' into some kind of cartoon meme.
carry on. :)

When the Demoncrat party falls the left will splinter into the many conflicting factions they are composed of, when they do we will be able to get Joe Average to quit worrying about "the greater of two evils" and perhaps we can reform or replace the Republican party.

[Swordsmyth]

Giving the MIC full control of the foreign policy is definitely a negative. With the CIA ordering drone strikes and the MIC determining troop levels in Afghanistan and Syria the MIC has full control to continue the anti Russian foreign policy in the middle east. How is Trump controlling the MIC, and stopping them for enacting their goals if he gives them full authorization?

This is beyond Trump at this point and his administration, his administration that he hand picked. I don't know if you were here, but Trump ran against Ron Paul in 2011 because he said he didn't even think in terms of Israel and said a vote for him in Iowa would be a wasted vote. This is not 4d chess against Russia, we are going to war with them.

U.S. Military Officials: There Was NO Chemical Weapons Attack In Syria … Trump Bombed Syria DESPITE Advice From Militaryhttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-26/us-military-officials-there-was-no-chemical-weapons-attack-syria-%E2%80%A6-trump-bombed-syri


I do not approve of Dump's actions but he is playing a game to fight the Russian conspiracy garbage.

[nikcers]

but he is playing a game.
http://imgur.com/a/Z3INDhttp://i.imgur.com/8FCGlLL.jpg?3

[Swordsmyth]

http://imgur.com/a/Z3INDhttp://i.imgur.com/8FCGlLL.jpg?3

I said "I do not approve of Dump's actions"

[CPUd]

http://i.imgur.com/7joue1v.jpg

[r3volution 3.0]

Funny how every couple of years we have stories about the impending doom of each party. Just last year prior to the Trump victory everyone was talking about the demise of the GOP. Now the Democrats are on the ropes.

Keep on believing that tripe. :rolleyes:

Yup, the Dems aren't going anywhere.

Though it wouldn't really matter if they did, the important ideological battle having been lost a long time ago.

The parties are just competing freeshit distribution systems rousing their respective rabbles with culture war propaganda.


None of you would admit it but if the Democrats EVER cut our taxes we'd fly the BLM flag and be all for transgender bathrooms.

I'd gladly vote for the wierdosexual party if they adopted something resembling laissez faire.

Priorities:
1. Avoiding nuclear war
2. Economic liberalization
3. Dismantling the police state
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
999. Who uses which toilet


i honestly believe that if the founding fathers could see what kind of government we have now ( since eisenhower ) they would have made america a parliamentary government type , they did not want america to be ruled by a king , but that is what we now and we can't change it

If they'd known how things would turn out, they'd have lost their misplaced faith in democracy altogether and made George king.

[goldenequity]

moved...

[goldenequity]

DNC/Dem 'establishment' might be ded... but
Alt Left is alive... no silly, not ANTIFA.

H.A. Goodman is one example...
and there's this guy: Tim Black

I name them... lest we 'imagine' all the disenfranchised liberals 'fit' into some kind of cartoon meme.
carry on. :)

Streamed live 12 hours ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_hf8BkG-WE&feature=share

[Anti Federalist]

i honestly believe that if the founding fathers could see what kind of government we have now ( since eisenhower ) they would have made america a parliamentary government type , they did not want america to be ruled by a king , but that is what we now and we can't change it .

Some of the founders did, they were very much aware of the counterrevolutionary coup taking place in secret at the first constitutional convention.

They knew the president would become an authoritarian king, under the powers granted by the proposed constitution.

They knew the central government would become an all powerful monolith and subsume the states.

They tried as hard as they could to warn people and to stop the counterrevolutionaries.

Sadly, outside of managing to get a Bill of Rights in place, they failed.

[goldenequity]

moved.

[CPUd]

Nikki Haley made a tweet:

879528793135878145
https://twitter.com/nikkihaley/status/879528793135878145