Hawaii may become first US state to adopt basic income

[Danke]

Hawaii may become first US state to adopt basic income
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An unprecedented bill supporting the idea of universal basic income (UBI) has been introduced in the American state of Hawaii.


>Kiwis consider paying people for doing nothing
The bill, titled House Concurrent Resolution 89, was brought by Hawaii State Representative Chris Lee and was passed by both houses of the state legislature in a unanimous vote.


The resolution declares that all the islanders “deserve basic financial security.”


It also orders government offices to weigh the state's economy and find ways to ensure all families have basic financial security, including an evaluation of different forms of a full or partial universal basic income.


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“As innovation and automation and inequality disrupt our economy, we want to make sure that everybody benefits and nobody is left behind. It’s past time that we had a serious talk about not just tweaking our economic policies, but having a new discussion from the ground up about what our values and priorities are,” said Lee as quoted by US online magazine Mother Jones.


According to Lee, the measure is necessary due to Hawaii’s excessive cost of living, which is reportedly the highest in the country, as well as the state’s heavy reliance on low-paid service industry jobs.


The bill reportedly keeps focus on Hawaii's service-focused economy, vulnerable to any disruptions that might be brought by job-killing tech change, including e-trading and automation of basic service processes.


The idea of a UBI, first proposed in the US by former President Richard Nixon in 1969, is widely debated with critics saying that free money may lead to more lax attitude about work. Moreover, such a program is almost impossible to finance.


At the same time, some experts advocate the system due to potential to improve social welfare programs and diminish unemployment created by automation.


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“Planning for the future isn't politically sexy and won't win anyone an election. But if we do it properly, we will all be much better off for it in the long run,” Lee wrote in a Reddit post. (https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/6hezyu/hawaii_becomes_first_state_to_begin_evaluating_a/)








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[Anti Federalist]

The idea of a UBI, first proposed in the US by former President Richard Nixon in 1969

Jesus Christ, Tricky Dicky again...I am going to have to modify my worst three presidents list:

Lincoln,
FDR,
Nixon

[Anti Federalist]

At the same time, some experts advocate the system due to potential to improve social welfare programs and diminish unemployment created by automation.

How are you not still unemployed?

[tod evans]

The resolution declares that all the islanders “deserve basic financial security.”
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[phill4paul]

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Ha`awi mai kala!

[specsaregood]

Jesus Christ, Tricky Dicky again...I am going to have to modify my worst three presidents list:

Lincoln,
FDR,
Nixon

Been awhile since I posted this, always important to remember how Nixon got his start:


Nixon's political odyssey began with a race for the House seat of California's 12th district. In the election he faced Democrat Jerry Voorhis, a ten-year veteran of Congress. Voorhis was an enemy of the banking establishment; he had introduced a bill calling for the dissolution of the Federal Reserve system, and had denounced deficit spending and the international bankers who profit from it in his book "Out of Debt, Out of Danger".

...Voorhis said that the representative of a large New York financial house made a trip to california in October 1945, about the time the committee of One Hundred was picking Nixon, and called a number of influential people in southern california. The emissary "bawled them out" for permitting Voorhis, whom he described as "one of the most dangerous men in Washington", to continue to represent a part of California in the House.

[Anti Federalist]

Welcome to the future kiddies: where superfluous humanity, rendered utterly obsolete by our own technology, mills about smartly, mindlessly consuming its way to rigidly defined and ruthlessly enforced government "happiness" on a government provided universal welfare dole, all under the watchful eyes of the global surveillance grid.

[timosman]

Welcome to the future kiddies: where superfluous humanity, rendered utterly obsolete by our own technology, mills about smartly, mindlessly consuming its way to rigidly defined and ruthlessly enforced government "happiness" on a government provided universal welfare dole, all under the watchful eyes of the global surveillance grid.

There still will be porn on the internet?;)

[phill4paul]

So, I guess Hawaii won't be needing any Fed tax dollars for welfare programs?

[Swordsmyth]

HAWExit.

[bunklocoempire]

A conquered people "freed" by government and unions, are the best test subjects.
Ain't no plantations out here anymore, just the government w/zero competition kind run by untouchables.

UBI is just a pretty name for welfare, and just another excuse for bio-metric ID/permission to buy & sell.
Plenty of failed UBI already, the stock-man simply wants more control to direct the purchases of the herd.

[heavenlyboy34]

Welcome to the future kiddies: where superfluous humanity, rendered utterly obsolete by our own technology, mills about smartly, mindlessly consuming its way to rigidly defined and ruthlessly enforced government "happiness" on a government provided universal welfare dole, all under the watchful eyes of the global surveillance grid.
I've been following anarcho-communist forums a bit lately, and I shit you not-this is pretty much their ideal. :( (though they manage to do it statelessly in their model)

[oyarde]

WTF . What dumbasses think this shit up ? They do this they should be stripped of statehood , all fed benefits and made a territory with a Gov appointed by the senate .

[H. E. Panqui]

...anyone clucking their tongues about 'free money for people' would do well to familiarize themselves with the current goddamned financial order whereby bankster$ get unknown illion$ of free money now...but not an honest focused peep from the tongue-cluckers...ever...$uper-$trange $ilence...

...ludwiggers would do well to read the voorhis book cited and also ?'the strange case of richard milhous nixon'...

...will republicrats EVER question the monetary authority?...the issuance/creation of money is THE place to start....voorhis exposes the actual crooked process and characterizes the injustice as well or better than anyone, imho....

....but the bank$ter puppet republicrats thoroughly smeared voorhis as a 'commie' and to this day even the smartest ludwiggers can't get over it....:o

[Pauls' Revere]

Just wish they would use their own money to do it. Hawaiian UBI's good only in Hawaii. Possible?

[Krugminator2]

Jesus Christ, Tricky Dicky again...I am going to have to modify my worst three presidents list:

Lincoln,
FDR,
Nixon

Milton Friedman first published the idea in 1962 in Capitalism and Freedom.

He was an advisor to Nixon for a brief time. Friedman was the reason Nixon got rid of the draft. He was also the reason Nixon cut the link to gold and went to floating exchange rates. So I wouldn't be surprised if Nixon wasn't just repeating what Friedman told him to say.

[otherone]

Jesus Christ, Tricky Dicky again...I am going to have to modify my worst three presidents list:

Lincoln,
FDR,
Nixon

DA FUQ?

Wilson or LBJ TRUMP Nixon.

[Danke]

DA FUQ?

Wilson or LBJ TRUMP Nixon.

He probably had another window with "The People of Walmart" open when he wrote that.

[Anti Federalist]

...anyone clucking their tongues about 'free money for people' would do well to familiarize themselves with the current goddamned financial order whereby bankster$ get unknown illion$ of free money now...but not an honest focused peep from the tongue-cluckers...ever...$uper-$trange $ilence...

If I am parsing you banter properly, you are pissed that political establishment pays banksters millions of dollars to uphold the financial order.

Banks make tens of billions of dollars ever year in merchant fees, every single time an idiot AmeriKunt swipes their fucking debit or credit card to pay for a bagel or a Big Mac.

No government law is forcing them to enslave themselves...they do it to themselves, willingly, happily, in droves.

Until that changes, is stamped out or separated from, nothing is going to change.

[specsaregood]

If I am parsing you banter properly, you are pissed that political establishment pays banksters millions of dollars to uphold the financial order.

Banks make tens of billions of dollars ever year in merchant fees, every single time an idiot AmeriKunt swipes their fucking debit or credit card to pay for a bagel or a Big Mac.

No government law is forcing them to enslave themselves...they do it to themselves, willingly, happily, in droves.

Until that changes, is stamped out or separated from, nothing is going to change.

Since merchant agreements generally don't allow merchants to offer cash discounts, I pay no more money when swiping my card to pay for a bagel or whatever. so it sounds like it is on the merchants rather than consumer amerikunt. And as a merchant, I can tell you that having the ability to take a card for payment is often worth the hit. ��

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

but you are still making more money for the banks, which are the enemy of the state

[heavenlyboy34]

Since merchant agreements generally don't allow merchants to offer cash discounts, I pay no more money when swiping my card to pay for a bagel or whatever. so it sounds like it is on the merchants rather than consumer amerikunt. And as a merchant, I can tell you that having the ability to take a card for payment is often worth the hit. ��
Pretty much this^^. Depending on the nature of your business, accepting plastic can make customers more inclined to buy. (which is why I do nao :D ) One of my instructors only takes cash/checks though and still has a solid client base.

[H. E. Panqui]

If I am parsing you banter properly, you are pissed that political establishment pays banksters millions of dollars to uphold the financial order..

...imo, that's a minor aspect of 'the problem'...much more importantly, voorhis describes the bankster privilege of 'deposit creation' in his, 'out of debt, out of danger'...most/all people i meet are ignorant of 'fractional reserve deposit creation' whereby private commercial banksters are privileged in 'creating money out of thin air' to loan at interest, to purchase interest-bearing government, etc., bonds, etc..[if the preceding words don't make sense to you, you need to do some honest homework..]...more accurately, i 'am pissed' we have a stinking, insane, intolerable monetary order [particularly with respect to money creation/issuance] ABOUT WHICH NONE OF THE GD FOOL REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ('political establishment') HAVE PEEPED/WILL PEEP/CAN INTELLIGENTLY PEEP...tmk..

...as one wag put it, 'Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce...'

...i am constantly shocked and perplexed at how ignorant and intellectually incurious people are as to even the very basics of the hideous monetary/financial order under which 'we' are enslaved...

[Suzanimal]

Since merchant agreements generally don't allow merchants to offer cash discounts, I pay no more money when swiping my card to pay for a bagel or whatever. so it sounds like it is on the merchants rather than consumer amerikunt. And as a merchant, I can tell you that having the ability to take a card for payment is often worth the hit. ��

Mr A would be out of business if he didn't accept cards. I've found you can still get cash discounts if you're a regular customer and negotiate with the owner. Our Ac guy, plumber, septic guy, and mechanic all give us cash discounts.

[KrokHead]

The sad thing is, welfare, UI, higher minimum wage only increases poverty. The middle class and the poor are being amalgamated before our eyes.

Ever since the eradication of unions (who undermine their workers by taking on liberal causes), elimination of decent middle class jobs, the increase of the social safety net, (causing regular people to be on welfare) the rich got richer and the middle class paid to give benefits to people who are unable or don't work hard enough to provide lives for themselves. The rich are laughing their cunts off at us. Which rich people ever lost their shirt from the libtards? It's a much different story for everyday Americans.

But we all know people will never wake the fuck up, we are only delaying our slavery. Luckily I'm stubborn and hope my kids are too, but slavery to the state, even if it's Americans vegitating on prolefeed while high on opiates is inevitable.

[heavenlyboy34]

Mr A would be out of business if he didn't accept cards. I've found you can still get cash discounts if you're a regular customer and negotiate with the owner. Our Ac guy, plumber, septic guy, and mechanic all give us cash discounts.
HB offers cash discounts too. :D :cool: protip for RPFs: CC Processing fees are typically built into the price your service provider quotes,y'all. Paying cash makes his life cheaper and easier. :D

[AuH20]

This will end up like Vermont's single payer gambit. In the garbage can...........

[H. E. Panqui]

But we all know people will never wake the $#@! up, we are only delaying our slavery. Luckily I'm stubborn and hope my kids are too, but slavery to the state, even if it's Americans vegitating on prolefeed while high on opiates is inevitable.

:cool:

...little do most people know, but 'we' are ALREADY [and have been for a loooooooong time] economic slaves to the banking ma$ters who dominate/control 'our' financial order...especially the issuance of money...

...as ?horace greeley put it: While boasting of our noble deeds we're careful to conceal the ugly fact that by an iniquitous money system we have nationalized a system of oppression which, though more refined, is not less cruel than the old system of chattel slavery. (http://www.azquotes.com/quote/353553)

...of course people who support republicans and democrats, etc., IN ANY WAY, are too gd brainwashed and ignorant to recognize the hideou$ reality going on under their fool noses....ime anyway..

....and there are lots and lots of these republicrat monetary ignoramuses...ugh...

[Anti Federalist]

Since merchant agreements generally don't allow merchants to offer cash discounts, I pay no more money when swiping my card to pay for a bagel or whatever. so it sounds like it is on the merchants rather than consumer amerikunt. And as a merchant, I can tell you that having the ability to take a card for payment is often worth the hit. ��


Pretty much this^^. Depending on the nature of your business, accepting plastic can make customers more inclined to buy. (which is why I do nao :D ) One of my instructors only takes cash/checks though and still has a solid client base.

Yes, but I am quite sure that the cost of that is figured into your total product cost.

Which means we all pay.

Tens, hundreds of billions in fees charged to every transaction don't just dry up.

Somebody is paying.

TANSTAAFL

[heavenlyboy34]

Yes, but I am quite sure that the cost of that is figured into your total product cost.

Which means we all pay.

Tens, hundreds of billions in fees charged to every transaction don't just dry up.

Somebody is paying.

TANSTAAFL
Almost guaranteed. I pay a fee per transaction to accept plastic, so I build it into quotes.

[Brian4Liberty]

A conquered people "freed" by government and unions, are the best test subjects.
Ain't no plantations out here anymore, just the government w/zero competition kind run by untouchables.

UBI is just a pretty name for welfare, and just another excuse for bio-metric ID/permission to buy & sell.
Plenty of failed UBI already, the stock-man simply wants more control to direct the purchases of the herd.

Was talking to a "local" guy on Kauai, he was originally a leftist from New York. He was describing all of the great public housing being built and how it was working so well. He described it as matching the culture. Seems that some NY commies have found fertile ground in Hawaii.

[bunklocoempire]

Was talking to a "local" guy on Kauai, he was originally a leftist from New York. He was describing all of the great public housing being built and how it was working so well. He described it as matching the culture. Seems that some NY commies have found fertile ground in Hawaii.

Aloha is not aggression -kanaka maoli can't even recognize this, makes the place ripe for the picking.

HI public housing... Elect a tick, get a contract to build on public dime, let place fall into ruin, repeat.

I had a friend who used Maui County public housing for a year or so. She wanted to get out and she did. Learned a whole lot about HI public housing/welfare culture, and what it perpetuates. All the crap it perpetuates, from obesity to crime and everything in between, have state approved public solutions/reactions -what a surprise.