Jennifer Lawrence, Libertarian Feminist?

[William Tell]

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Actress Jennifer Lawrence is in the news this week for a number of reasons, including her impromptu performance at a Vienna strip club (http://jezebel.com/jennifer-lawrence-is-not-at-all-embarrassed-by-that-vid-1795316081) and her stepping out in a $700 Dior T-shirt that proclaims "We Should All Be Feminists." The Daily Mail even devoted a whole article to the shirt (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4519144/Jennifer-Lawrence-London-strip-club-video.html), noting that "the 26-year-old actress beamed as she left the set of her film Red Sparrow with her dog—and a balloon—in tow." But the Mail fails to note the other thing that J-Law was spotted carrying: a book with famed Austrian economist Ludwig von Mises on the back cover.

The Facebook group Being Classically Liberal first noted Lawrence's reading material (https://www.facebook.com/592589870775439/photos/a.592592887441804.1073741828.592589870775439/1584494714918278/?type=3) yesterday, suggesting that perhaps she had picked up the von Mises book Socialism thinking it took a positive view of the subject. Lawrence—star of a slew of recent hit movies, including Joy, The Hunger Games, and American Hustle—has been outspoken in her criticism of conservative (http://www.dailywire.com/news/1100/jennifer-lawrence-trashes-christians-republicans-james-barrett#exit-modal) politicians (The Daily Beast even deemed her "Hollywood's Next Big Power Liberal (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/01/jennifer-lawrence-hollywood-s-next-big-power-liberal)").


But some crowdsourced sleuthing revealed that Lawrence's book isn't by von Mises but about him and other Austrian School economists. The book—Invisible Hands: The Making of the Conservative Movement from the New Deal to Reagan (https://academic.oup.com/ahr/article/115/5/1503/42639/Kim-Phillips-Fein-Invisible-Hands-The-Making-of)—was written by New York University professor Kim Phillips-Fein and looks at the rise of free-market economics in post-New Deal America and the role that businesses played in shaping mid-20th Century conservatism.



"Starting in the mid-1930s, a handful of prominent American businessmen forged alliances with the aim of rescuing America—and their profit margins—from socialism and the 'nanny state,'" says the publisher's blurb for the book. "Long before the 'culture wars' usually associated with the rise of conservative politics, these driven individuals funded think tanks, fought labor unions, and formed organizations to market their views."

http://reason.com/blog/2017/05/19/jennifer-lawrence-libertarian-feminist

[Swordsmyth]

There ain't no such animal.

She must be doing opposition research.

[Suzanimal]

Doubtful but I hope she learns something. I believe she was a Hillary supporter.



We're all allowed to be sad that the present isn't what we thought it was. But we mustn't be defeated. We will keep educating ourselves and working twice as hard as the man next to us because we know now that it is not fair. It is not fair in the workplace, so you make it impossible to fail. And like Hillary, it might not work.

But like Hillary, you can still be an inspiration and get important things done. Do not let this defeat you—let this enrage you! Let it motivate you! Let this be the fire you didn't have before. If you are an immigrant, if you are a person of color, if you are LGBTQ+, if you are a woman—don't be afraid, be loud!

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/dont-be-afraid-be-loud-jennifer-lawrence-on-what-we-do-now?utm_source=broadlytwitterus

[surf]

I approve

[TheTexan]

I hope she gets naked again

She seems to be getting better with age

[William Tell]

I hope she gets naked again

She seems to be getting better with age

Came here cause I was sure you'd posted her yeah sure OK gif. I am disappoint.

[oyarde]

I hope she gets naked again

She seems to be getting better with age

Hillary or Lawrence ?

[TheTexan]

Hillary or Lawrence ?

Hillary hasnt gotten leaked naked photos yet

Fingers crossed

[Suzanimal]

Came here cause I was sure you'd posted her yeah sure OK gif. I am disappoint.

That's Jennifer Lawrence? :confused: I thought that was Taylor Swift.

[shakey1]

Hillary hasnt gotten leaked naked photos yet

Fingers crossed

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[William Tell]

That's Jennifer Lawrence? :confused: I thought that was Taylor Swift.

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[TheCount]

There ain't no such animal.

Libertarianism should necessarily include liberties for everyone and not for a select group.

[William Tell]

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[Swordsmyth]

Libertarianism should necessarily include liberties for everyone and not for a select group.
And Feminists don't believe in liberty for men, ergo they can not be libertarian.

[TheCount]

And Feminists don't believe in liberty for men

:rolleyes:

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Libertarianism should necessarily include liberties for everyone and not for a select group.


And Feminists don't believe in liberty for men, ergo they can not be libertarian.




:rolleyes:











TheCount showing his true progressive colors again.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Must have been a slow news days at Reason. She is ultra lib. I could tell just by looking at her. Don't know why I bothered. but here's some drivel she wrote:


https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/dont-be-afraid-be-loud-jennifer-lawrence-on-what-we-do-now?utm_source=broadlytwitterus



Another one here. She thinks groups have rights, Christian crucifixes are pitchforks, and on and on.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/1100/jennifer-lawrence-trashes-christians-republicans-james-barrett

[TheCount]

TheCount showing his true progressive colors again.Yes, the ultra-progressive idea of equal rights for everyone. Shocking, i know.

[Swordsmyth]

Yes, the ultra-progressive idea of equal rights for everyone. Shocking, i know.
That is not what Feminists want, they think women should be "more equal".

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Yes, the ultra-progressive idea of equal rights for everyone. Shocking, i know.


Everyone already has equal rights. Groups don't have rights. There is no such thing as women's rights, gay rights, men's rights, etc. Yes, it's actually shocking how you progressives are not even aware of this.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

That is not what Feminists want, they think women should be "more equal".

I'd guess TheCount is running around on campus unaware that women--even the hard core feminist women--totally loathe the male feminist.

[TheCount]

That is not what Feminists want, they think women should be "more equal".I disagree.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Libertarianism should necessarily include liberties for everyone and not for a select group.


Then tell that to your friends at DU, who qualify the noun "rights" with every demographic adjective under the sun.


men's rights
women's rights
children's rights
senior rights
teen rights
black rights
white rights
Indian rights
gay rights
ad nauseum

[Swordsmyth]

I disagree.
Then you are deluded and don't even listen to the feminists when they say what they want.

[TheCount]

Then you are deluded and don't even listen to the feminists when they say what they want.I put 'feminists think men should be less than equal to women' in the same camp as 'libertarians are white nationalists/racists.' It's a campaign to discredit/ignore the entire group using a handful of idiots among them as the justification to do so.

[TheCount]

Then tell that to your friends at DU

Could you tell them for me? I don't have accounts there.



who qualify the noun "rights" with every demographic adjective under the sun.


men's rights
women's rights
children's rights
senior rights
teen rights
black rights
white rights
Indian rights
gay rights
ad nauseum

All of those people should have rights, yes.

[Swordsmyth]

I put 'feminists think men should be less than equal to women' in the same camp as 'libertarians are white nationalists/racists.' It's a campaign to discredit/ignore the entire group using a handful of idiots among them as the justification to do so.
They want the government to use force to give them what they want, what is libertarian about that?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

All of those people should have rights, yes.


Should have rights? They already do.

[dannno]

I disagree.

Huh, I had no idea that women wanted to fix roofs and work in mining.

I thought they wanted to be able to have a well paying job that pays them a lot of money to talk on the phone all day so they can go to the mall and spend a shit ton of money on themselves and live a comfortable lifestyle outside of a monogamous relationship while fucking various alpha males and then ending up feeling really hollow inside.

[oyarde]

Must have been a slow news days at Reason. She is ultra lib. I could tell just by looking at her. Don't know why I bothered. but here's some drivel she wrote:


https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/dont-be-afraid-be-loud-jennifer-lawrence-on-what-we-do-now?utm_source=broadlytwitterus



Another one here. She thinks groups have rights, Christian crucifixes are pitchforks, and on and on.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/1100/jennifer-lawrence-trashes-christians-republicans-james-barrett

If I run out of pitchforks and it is the end times I do not think God will mind me using a crucifix to make those souls departed .

[TheCount]

Should have rights? They already do.

Well then mission accomplished. Roll out the banners and the flight suits.

[dannno]

I put 'feminists think men should be less than equal to women' in the same camp as 'libertarians are white nationalists/racists.' It's a campaign to discredit/ignore the entire group using a handful of idiots among them as the justification to do so.

No, you have this all totally backwards.

4 out of 5 women specify that they DO NOT IDENTIFY AS FEMINISTS. There is a reason for that.

The vast majority of women who identify as feminists want equal outcome for women, they don't want women to merely be treated as equals. They also tend to hate men and the patriarchy.

[TheCount]

Huh, I had no idea that women wanted to fix roofs and work in mining.

I thought they wanted to be able to have a well paying job that pays them a lot of money to talk on the phone all day so they can go to the mall and spend a shit ton of money on themselves and live a comfortable lifestyle outside of a monogamous relationship while fucking various alpha males and then ending up feeling really hollow inside.

Oh man those straw men will never recover from that thrashing.

[TheCount]

4 out of 5 women specify that they DO NOT IDENTIFY AS FEMINISTS. There is a reason for that.

Yes, there is definitely a reason for that.


The vast majority of women who identify as feminists want equal outcome for women, they don't want women to merely be treated as equals. They also tend to hate men and the patriarchy.

I presume your name is Rasmussen.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Well then mission accomplished. Roll out the banners and the flight suits.


There's no "mission" involved. Rights do not come from you or your progressive colleagues' legislation or edicts.

[TheCount]

Rights do not come from you or your progressive colleagues' legislation or edicts.

Rights also don't come out of the back of your van or the vans of any of your fellow child molesters.


They can, however, be restored via legislation to remove past legislation or edict.

[juleswin]

Yes, the ultra-progressive idea of equal rights for everyone. Shocking, i know.

Can you tell me how women are not equal to men in our society? yea, they are exempt from selective service sign on but I doubt woman is asking to be burdened by such a law. And as for promoting a libertine lifestyle, this is not a gendered issue.

I am all for equal rights but lets be serious, this is not what most feminists are asking for cos it has for the most part been achieved today in the US

[nikcers]

People get demonized for labels- what used to be a label for someone who isn't sexist has turned into something else entirely. Are you against forced government vaccinations, well that means you are an anti vaxxer. Don't like abortion after 6 months, you must be some sort of crazy right winger. Don't want to go to war with Russia, god you must be colluding with Putin.

[juleswin]

People get demonized for labels- what used to be a label for someone who isn't sexist has turned into something else entirely. Are you against forced government vaccinations, well that means you are an anti vaxxer. Don't like abortion after 6 months, you must be some sort of crazy right winger. Don't want to go to war with Russia, god you must be colluding with Putin.

But all those issues are at play in this day of age. People running about with the feminist label is like me running around with anti segregationist label. It sets off all sorts of red flags

[nikcers]

But all those issues are at play in this day of age. People running about with the feminist label is like me running around with anti segregationist label. It sets off all sorts of red flags
No important issues like the cops being able to track/trace your cell phone without a search warrant is at play, the rest is a distraction.

[oyarde]

Hillary hasnt gotten leaked naked photos yet

Fingers crossed

I think they are out .

[Dr.No.]

Can you tell me how women are not equal to men in our society? yea, they are exempt from selective service sign on but I doubt woman is asking to be burdened by such a law. And as for promoting a libertine lifestyle, this is not a gendered issue.

You are never going to get men and woman to be completely equal in all ways. The best you can hope for is inequalities that balance out. Maybe women face judgment and discrimination if they work, but they also get the benefit when it comes to child custody. Maybe men have higher rates of suicide and depression but have to deal with less harassment and stalking. Etc, etc.




I am all for equal rights but lets be serious, this is not what most feminists are asking for cos it has for the most part been achieved today in the US

I would generally agree with you. The problem is the history of this whole issue.

"Anti-feminists" have been attacking feminism since the dawn of time. The line of argument that "equality has been achieved today" has been used for more than fifty years. It's very true now, but the problem is it wasn't true back then, and people aren't going to listen to you now since you've been lying about it before.

For example, look at Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell. Friedman argued from the 50s that sex-based discrimination had largely disappeared. Sowell made that same point since the 70s, pointing to some very ***** studies that this was the case. The thing is, back then, not only did you have a cornucopia of studies showing a wage gap, but you had literal stories of companies having policies of not hiring women, glass ceilings, etc. It was a ridiculous argument to say that equality had been even close to reality. And, the feminists remember. By being so erroneously used, the arguments can't even be used when accurate.

It doesn't help that the "skeptic"/"anti-feminist" community, for the most part, like the "feminist" community, is not approaching the issue rationally and in good faith. They have an ideology and a goal which just happens, in this time and age, to coincide with the bulk of the data. I don't doubt that if the data went against them, they'd just twist or cherry pick the data, or just ignore it.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Rights also don't come out of the back of your van or the vans of any of your fellow child molesters.

Say what? LOL



They can, however, be restored via legislation to remove past legislation or edict.

No, rights are not granted, legislated, restored, bestowed, etc. by government. Governments can only restrict.

No one can take away your rights.

[Wooden Indian]

That femnazi has a nice rack.
Carry on.

[TheCount]

Can you tell me how women are not equal to men in our society?

I didn't say that. I said that's the concept of feminism. Whether or not it's been achieved is something else entirely.

If magically the United States were transformed into a libertarian paradise tomorrow, libertarianism wouldn't cease to exist, not would it suddenly be called something else. It would continue to persist as a philosophy of upholding the status quo.



I am all for equal rights but lets be serious, this is not what most feminists are asking for
As stated above, I disagree.



People running about with the feminist label is like me running around with anti segregationist label. It sets off all sorts of red flags

'Don't call yourself that because people might think bad things about you' is not an effective argument to use against a feminist because it turns out that's been said about them for more than a century.

[TheCount]

Say what? LOLYou also are not the source of rights regardless of the vast numbers of farm animals you have sex with.



Governments can only restrict.

The removal of which would be restoration.

[RonPaulMall]

Feminism does nothing but make women miserable and drive them insane. Lawrence is well on her way to becoming the bitter, barren, old, batshyt insane cat lady that so many other Hollywood "starlets" turn in to these days once Hollywood robs them of the years they should have been finding a husband and starting a family.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

You also are not the source of rights...

I never said I was the source.



...regardless of the vast numbers of farm animals you have sex with.

Are you getting mad?







The removal of which would be restoration.

No. Again, government can't remove your rights.

[TheCount]

Are you getting mad?

What? I thought that you, as cat-stranglers like youself often do, were playing a game where we see what baseless, unrelated allegations we can include in our questions and statements.




No. Again, government can't remove your rights.

The removal of the restriction is a restoration.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

What? I thought that you, as cat-stranglers like youself often do, were playing a game where we see what baseless, unrelated allegations we can include in our questions and statements.

Where did I play that?








The removal of the restriction is a restoration.

No. Government can't take rights. Government does not bestow rights. Government does not grant rights. Government does not restore rights.

What is the source of rights?