BREAKING: Gunman opens fire on GOP congressional baseball team practice session

[Anti Federalist]

Not much to go on right now...



Reports: 'Multiple shooting' at congressional baseball game practice field

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/337717-report-shooting-near-congressional-baseball-game-practice-field

A "multiple shooting" was reported early Wednesday at a congressional baseball game practice field in Alexandria, Va.

ABC 7 News reported "multiple shooting" in the 400 block of E. Monroe Street.

The suspect is "believed in custody," ABC reported, according to Alexandria police.

GOP Whip Steve Scalise and two Capitol Police officers on protective detail were shot, according to multiple reports

A reporter from Fox News also tweeted that staffers were hit.

"Right now, we're secure," Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) told CNN Wednesday morning.

Brooks said "at least five" people were shot, his voice breaking.

Brooks said Scalise was shot in the hip and "dragging his body" to get away from the shooter.

White House press secretary Sean Spicer said both President Trump and Vice President Pence are aware of the “developing situation in Virginia.”

“Our thoughts and prayers are with all affected,” he tweeted.

[Anti Federalist]

Multiple shot at GOP baseball practice in Virginia, Majority Whip hit

http://myfox8.com/2017/06/14/multiple-shot-at-gop-baseball-practice-in-virginia-majority-whip-hit/

POSTED 7:59 AM, JUNE 14, 2017, BY WEB STAFF, UPDATED AT 08:16AM, JUNE 14, 2017

ALEXANDRIA, Va. — House Majority Whip Steve Scalise and several aides were shot at a baseball practice in Virginia Wednesday morning.

Shots were first reported on East Monroe Street in Alexandria, Fox News reports. Scalise was standing near second base when he was shot in the hip, Alabama Representative Mo Brooks told CNN.

Brooks said at least five others were injured and he helped two people who were shot.

After realizing what was happening, Brooks said he behind the batting cage and heard between “20 and 30 shots.”

He and other Congress members were practicing for a charity game, which is scheduled for Thursday night.

Alexandria police said in a series of tweets Wednesday morning that the suspect is believed to be in custody and victims are being taken to the hospital. Sen. Mike Lee told the network the gunman was dead.

[osan]

Mewonders the political position of the shooter.

Hang on to your hats; I'm sure the "left" are going to go apey over this one... or maybe not since Republicans were the targets.

Best wishes to all who got hurt. I hope the "dragging" the body deal is not indicative of what it likely is.

[Anti Federalist]

Rand was there...


Rand Paul says 50-60 shots.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/breaking-house-majority-whip-steve-scalise-aides-shot-baseball-practice/

[Anti Federalist]

Mewonders the political position of the shooter.

Hang on to your hats; I'm sure the "left" are going to go apey over this one... or maybe not since Republicans were the targets.

Best wishes to all who got hurt. I hope the "dragging" the body deal is not indicative of what it likely is.

Could go a bunch of ways...they've (the left) have been screaming for war for months now...maybe now they have it.

Course, this was, or looks like, an attack on the ruling class, which means they will hunker down behind even more security and take away more freedom from us.

[newbitech]

Rand talking on abc now.

[Origanalist]

Rand was there...



http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/breaking-house-majority-whip-steve-scalise-aides-shot-baseball-practice/

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[ChristianAnarchist]

If the guy took 40 shots and only hit one person he must have been trying to make some kind of statement (like, hey, I'm crazy so you need to make guns illegal...)

[Origanalist]

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Something tells me this time it's not muslims...

[Origanalist]

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[Anti Federalist]

If the guy took 40 shots and only hit one person he must have been trying to make some kind of statement (like, hey, I'm crazy so you need to make guns illegal...)

Possibly.

I've seen cops, supposedly "trained professionals", do the same thing however.

My guess is the shooter was a noob...sends a magazine downrange from the hip or "gangster style" and expected everybody to drop dead, like the movies.

Then got shot while trying to load a fresh magazine.

[Krugminator2]

If the guy took 40 shots and only hit one person he must have been trying to make some kind of statement (like, hey, I'm crazy so you need to make guns illegal...)

5 people were hit and it sounds. It sounds like the dugout both saved people but it allowed the shooter to continue for a lot longer.

[Anti Federalist]

874967948946964480

Something tells me this time it's not muslims...

No, I'm not guessing so either.

[osan]

If the guy took 40 shots and only hit one person he must have been trying to make some kind of statement (like, hey, I'm crazy so you need to make guns illegal...)

I thought five had been shot.

[Anti Federalist]

“We were there within 3 minutes...two of our officers engaged in gunfire -- return fire,” Alexandria Police Chief Brown says

When seconds count, cops are only minutes away.

[osan]

Possibly.

I've seen cops, supposedly "trained professionals", do the same thing however.

The oh-so-very operative term.


Got shot while trying to load a fresh magazine.

WOOHOO!

Killed, or will he be grillable for the admission that Obama hired him?

[phill4paul]

When seconds count, cops are only minutes away.

It was a good thing a high ranking poohbah was there.


He said lawmakers and aides were lucky that Capitol Police were at the scene.

"One of the things that's really fortunate and probably why — everybody probably would have died expect for the fact that the Capitol Hill police were there," he said.

Capitol Police were at the scene because of the presence of Scalise, the third-ranking Republican in GOP leadership.

"If Scalise wouldn't have been on the team — unfortunately he was hit and I hope he does well — but also by him being there it probably saved everybody else's life because if you don't have a leadership person there, there would have been so security there," Paul said.

"They do a great job. These are brave men and women and we were really lucky they were there," he said.

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/337721-rand-paul-shooting-would-have-been-much-worse-if-capitol-police-werent

http://secretsofthefed.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/BUTTON.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DnqUv90_IM0/0.jpg

[CaptUSA]

2 thoughts:

1. Man, guns are dangerous! You never know when those things are going to start shooting people!

2. Was it time? Because not everybody got the memo.

[specsaregood]

I don't wish anybody getting shot, but I'm just glad Randal wasn't one of them.

[fisharmor]

I don't wish anybody getting shot, but I'm just glad Randal wasn't one of them.

I don't wish anyone shot either, but I'm also not real broken up about it being 66% cop casualties.

[Noob]

You can expect a new push for gun control after this...

[jeffro97]

So far I know of Scalise, Paul, and DeSantis who were there. Do we have any confirmation of others who were present at the practice?

Here's a team roster: https://www.congressionalbaseball.org/teams/

[phill4paul]

So far I know of Scalise, Paul, and DeSantis who were there. Do we have any confirmation of others who were present at the practice?

Here's a team roster: https://www.congressionalbaseball.org/teams/


Right now, Scalise is the only congressman known to be wounded.

Here are the lawmakers who were at the practice, according to the latest NBC News reporting:

Steve Scalise (R-Louisiana)

Gary Palmer (R-Alabama)

Brad Wenstrup (R-Ohio)

Jeff Flake (R-Arizona)

Rand Paul (R-Kentucky)

Mo Brooks (R-Alabama)

Chuck Fleischmann (R-Tennessee)

Roger Williams (R-Texas)

Mark Walker (R-North Carolina)

Mike Conaway (R-Texas)

Joe Barton (R-Texas)

Mike Bishop (R-Michigan)

Rodney Davis (R-Illinois)

John Moolenar (R-Michigan)

Ron DeSantis (R-Florida, left before it happened, but saw from afar)

Jeff Duncan (R-South Carolina, left before it happened)

Bill Johnson (R-Ohio, was at practice but left early)

This list will be updated

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/which-lawmakers-were-attending-baseball-practice-where-scalise-was-shot-n772191?cid=public-rss_20170614

[enhanced_deficit]

Drudge is reporting some incredible tweets from "leftwingers":



https://pictures.grabien.com/newsstories/inline/5723_4.jpg



https://pictures.grabien.com/newsstories/inline/5723_5.jpg

[jllundqu]

The left is already in firm "Guns did this, ban guns!" Mode....

The right is already in firm "leftist assassin" mode....

I'm going to have breakfast and watch the world burn.

[nikcers]

This still doesn't change my mind this isn't enough to make me not hate cops who blindly follow orders and are cowards who don't go after bad cops out of fear of others turning against them. I am glad though that Rand Paul is alive and fighting for my liberty.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdTR_pAl4Iw

[JK/SEA]

SNL skits should be a hoot this week.

showing repub members getting blown away will be a real laugh riot for peeps like Griffin and Colbert...

[angelatc]

Rand was there...



http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/breaking-house-majority-whip-steve-scalise-aides-shot-baseball-practice/

I am glad Rand is safe but I am almost in tears thinking that Ron could have been there. I still love that man, I guess.

[nikcers]

SNL skits should be a hoot this week.

showing repub members getting blown away will be a real laugh riot for peeps like Griffin and Colbert...
Everyone's trying to politicize this into a big story, it would be nice to hear the real motive. One could even argue with the stuff Rand Paul has been saying lately this could of been a warning shot. I hope he doesn't back down after all of this, he is fighting the good fight and is on the right side of history on things.

[UWDude]

Who is going to play short stop now?

[phill4paul]

10:41 AM
June 14 by Matt Zapotosky and Ellen Nakashima

Shooter identified by law enforcement officials as James T. Hodgkinson
The shooter at the GOP congressional baseball practice this morning is James T. Hodgkinson of Belleville, Ill., according to law enforcement officials. Hodgkinson, 66, owns a home inspection business, but his home inspection license expired in November 2016 and was not renewed, state records show.

Hodgkinson was charged in April 2006 with battery and aiding damage to a motor vehicle, according to online records in St. Clair County, Ill. The charges were dismissed, records show.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2017/live-updates/public-safety/updates-shooting-at-congressional-baseball-practice-in-virginia/shooter-named-as-james-t-hodgkinson/?utm_term=.6c52c05ed74e


Acquaintance describes campaigning for Bernie Sanders with shooting suspect

Charles Orear, 50, a restaurant manager from St. Louis, said in an interview Wednesday that he became friendly with James T. Hodgkinson, whom law enforcement officials identified as the shooter, during their work in Iowa on Sen. Bernie Sanders’s presidential campaign. Orear said Hodgkinson was a passionate progressive and showed no signs of violence or malice toward others.

“You’ve got to be kidding me,” Orear said when told by phone. “I met him on the Bernie trail in Iowa, worked with him in the Quad Cities area.”

Orear described Hodgkinson as a “quiet guy” who was “very mellow, very reserved” when they stayed overnight at a Sanders’s supporter home in Rock Island, Ill., after canvassing for the senator.

“He was this union tradesman, pretty stocky, and we stayed up talking politics,” he said. “He was more on the really progressive side of things.”

The Post reached out to Orear after seeing that he liked one of Hodkinson’s Facebook posts.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2017/live-updates/public-safety/updates-shooting-at-congressional-baseball-practice-in-virginia/acquaintance-describes-campaigning-for-sanders-with-hodgkinson/?utm_term=.2d01e67996f4

[jllundqu]

This place is turning in to the 1960s pretty quick

[angelatc]

Everyone's trying to politicize this into a big story, it would be nice to hear the real motive. One could even argue with the stuff Rand Paul has been saying lately this could of been a warning shot. I hope he doesn't back down after all of this, he is fighting the good fight and is on the right side of history on things.

A witness said that someone walked up to him and asked if they were Republicans or Democrats.

[Lamp]

This place is turning in to the 1960s pretty quick

Its like the Quiet Revolution all over again

[Dr.3D]

Looks like the gunman will have to tried posthumously.

[Valli6]

Trump speaking now. Says shooter has died.

[enhanced_deficit]

His twiiter:

https://twitter.com/JTHInspections/with_replies

1. Hodgkinson Wrote on Facebook, ‘Trump is a Traitor. Trump Has Destroyed Our Democracy. It’s Time to Destroy Trump & Co.’ https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/hodgkinson-fb-2.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all(Facebook)

[William Tell]

His twiiter:

https://twitter.com/JTHInspections/with_replies
can anyone read what the button on his shirt says?

[jllundqu]

His twitter handle: @JTHInspections

[Lamp]

I meant FLQ

[Valli6]

can anyone read what the button on his shirt says?
Probably ASHI - American Society of Home Inspectors

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/james-t-hodgkinson-ashi.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all

[dannno]

This is why the SPLC is retarded. Right wing violence my ass.

[jllundqu]

Is it just me or does this guy look like Walter from The Big Lebowski?

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/james-t-hodgkinson.jpg

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/w-sob-2.jpg?quality=100&w=650

[dannno]

He not only was a Bernie supporter, he volunteered on the campaign.

[angelatc]

Who is going to play short stop now?

Who's on first.

[donnay]

This is what happens when the left and MSM sets the hate filled narrative, day after day, to take down a President and Republicans.

A Trump-hating Bernie supporter, James T. Hodgkinson


ETA:

Congress baseball gunman was a Trump-hating Bernie supporter: Hero cops kill white Illinois man, 66, who opened fire on Republican lawmakers with an assault rifle, leaving four injured

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4604130/Steve-Scalise-baseball-gunman-James-T-Hodgkinson-pictured.html#ixzz4jzl55U1H

[Brian4Liberty]

This still doesn't change my mind this isn't enough to make me not hate cops who blindly follow orders and are cowards who don't go after bad cops out of fear of others turning against them. I am glad though that Rand Paul is alive and fighting for my liberty.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdTR_pAl4Iw

It's good that the Police were there to respond. No doubt about that.

Rand is being a little hyperbolic saying that everyone would have died. That is never the case. People always run or sometimes take down the shooter without firearms (baseball practice, hint, hint).

[Brian4Liberty]

Probably ASHI - American Society of Home Inspectors

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/james-t-hodgkinson-ashi.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all

And a huge sigh of relief goes up on the left that it was a white guy.

[RJB]

40 shots and a bunch of misses is understandable. I was a good shot, but the first time I shot at a deer I had buck fever so bad my shaky hands made me cleanlymiss the deer with about 3 shots. It just stood there looking at me like I was an idiot and it was within 40 yards.

Killing another man is much harder. I read a stat that in most prior wars the majority of combatants weren't aiming to kill their opponents.

In the Marines they taught us to charge straight into an ambush for this reason. It's hharder to shooot a man facing you than shooting his back sometimes.

[Brian4Liberty]

This is what happens when the left and MSM sets the hate filled narrative, day after day, to take down a President and Republicans.

They have poisoned all of society for their perceived political gains. Now we all pay the price.

[angelatc]

It's good that the Police were there to respond. No doubt about that.

Rand is being a little hyperbolic saying that everyone would have died. That is never the case. People always run or sometimes take down the shooter without firearms (baseball practice, hint, hint).

People have private security. Scalise is the majority whip and is always accompanied by armed officers.

[Valli6]

And a huge sigh of relief goes up on the left that it was a white guy.
Still, he is one if them.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.3246965.1497455829!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/congressman-shot.jpg

[liveandletlive]

wouldve been great if Rand was armed and took down that leftist loon himself.

[timosman]

Trump speaking now. Says shooter has died.

This is how you know it is BS.

[Lamp]

aw hell

[nikcers]

wouldve been great if Rand was armed and took down that leftist loon himself.
I always thought congressional baseball was missing something

[Brian4Liberty]

Newt Gingrich is saying this is just a wacko like the guy that shot Gabby Gifford. More than one talking head has made that comparison.

Hate to break the bad news to them, the guy that shot Gifford was a true crazy person, as are the majority of mass shooters.

This guy today appears to be a fully functional person who made a conscious decision to engage in political assassination. This is far more dangerous.

[Brian4Liberty]

wouldve been great if Rand was armed and took down that leftist loon himself.

He was armed. ;) But his weapon only works at close range, and he was far away.

[acptulsa]

So, has anyone explained how a cadre of trained federal bodyguards allows a guy carrying an assault rifle into the venue undetected? Or are we still getting nothing but Congress critters saying, 'Don't shoot us. We're really nice. We may be robbing y'all blind, but we don't know what we're doing, so don't shoot us.'

[Lamp]

wouldve been great if Rand was armed and took down that leftist loon himself.


Sounds pretty out of character

[Anti Federalist]

Is it just me or does this guy look like Walter from The Big Lebowski?

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/james-t-hodgkinson.jpg

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/w-sob-2.jpg?quality=100&w=650

http://www.sharegif.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/4-the-big-lebowski-quotes.gif

[Anti Federalist]

A witness said that someone walked up to him and asked if they were Republicans or Democrats.

DeSantis and Duncan are both saying that.

[r3volution 3.0]

You can expect a new push for gun control after this...

I know at least one Senator, present there today, who won't be going along with that.

[pcosmar]

So, has anyone explained how a cadre of trained federal bodyguards allows a guy carrying an assault rifle into the venue undetected? '

This was my very first thought.

then come calls for MOHR Police. :(

[devil21]

This is how you know it is BS.

I'm glad I'm not the one that had to inject that very distinct possibility into the thread. Just because Rand gave a statement doesn't mean I'm going to turn off my brain. I default to fakery at this stuff now.

"Are you Democrats or Republicans?" How did he know they were Congress and that they would be there early in the morning? And is he so blind as to not see the "Republicans" jerseys everyone was wearing, including the Congressman he allegedly asked? Story already reeks of more divide and conquer and anti-gun propaganda.

[CPUd]

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https://twitter.com/TreyYingst/status/874996466598764545

[William Tell]

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https://twitter.com/TreyYingst/status/874996466598764545

Staffer looks a lot like JEB!

[nikcers]

I'm glad I'm not the one that had to inject that very distinct possibility into the thread. Just because Rand gave a statement doesn't mean I'm going to turn off my brain. I default to fakery at this stuff now.

"Are you Democrats or Republicans?" How did he know they were Congress and that they would be there early in the morning? And is he so blind as to not see the "Republicans" jerseys everyone was wearing, including the Congressman he allegedly asked? Story already reeks of more divide and conquer and anti-gun propaganda.
Yeah it's also a good distraction as the MIC ramps up war in the middle east, they also get to push gun control- while one of the only people who is speaking out against it in the Senate is getting shot at.

[devil21]

Yeah it's also a good distraction as the MIC ramps up war in the middle east, they also get to push gun control- while one of the only people who is speaking out against it in the Senate is getting shot at.

Very true. Senate is working on a major Iran and Russia sanctions bill today, S722. Apparently having a bunch of Congress shot at in the morning isn't enough to cause the Senate to adjourn for the day.

[nikcers]

Very true. Senate is working on a major Iran and Russia sanctions bill today, S722. Apparently having a bunch of Congress shot at in the morning isn't enough to cause the Senate to adjourn for the day.
This is what I was talking about, this is the type of free speech that gets you punched in the face or shot at in this country.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMXTOhKgRsA

[devil21]

This is what I was talking about, this is the type of free speech that gets you punched in the face or shot at in this country.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMXTOhKgRsA

Huh? A lost vote on the Saudi arms deal leads to being shot at the next morning? I'm not sure what your point is.

Btw, I'm not naive enough, at this point, to think that Rand doesn't play the politics game when it suits him.

[nikcers]

Huh? A lost vote on the Saudi arms deal leads to being shot at the next morning? I'm not sure what your point is.

Btw, I'm not naive enough, at this point, to think that Rand doesn't play the politics game when it suits him.
He basically spelled out our failed foreign policy and said that Saudi Arabia basically created ISIS and we are helping them. He also said they are causing mass starvation in Yemen and we are helping them. He then even said they were worse then ISIS and might even be over thrown and and then all of the guns will be in the hands of ISIS.

[Swordsmyth]

Rand Paul: Scalise's presence at congressional baseball practice most likely prevented 'massacre'
"Everybody would've died except for the fact that Capitol Hill police were there," Paul said. "Had they not been there, it would have been a massacre."

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/rand-paul-scalises-presence-congressional-124918069.html


Rand Paul was the target, they wanted to kill others so it didn't look like it. He needs to carry a gun.
We just got a lot closer to civil war.

[Anti Federalist]

If "assault rifles" are things as deadly as handling chunks of plutonium bare handed, as we have told for years and years and years, how is that the only person dead is the shooter?

The fact of the matter is a well sighted 30-.06 or .308 hunting rifle or big bore handgun, is much more lethal.

Just sayin'...

[RJB]

Although I have noticed in mass shooting for headlines,bullets seem to find mundanes a lot easier than the magically protected government class.


40 shots and a bunch of misses is understandable. I was a good shot, but the first time I shot at a deer I had buck fever so bad my shaky hands made me cleanlymiss the deer with about 3 shots. It just stood there looking at me like I was an idiot and it was within 40 yards.

Killing another man is much harder. I read a stat that in most prior wars the majority of combatants weren't aiming to kill their opponents.

In the Marines they taught us to charge straight into an ambush for this reason. It's hharder to shooot a man facing you than shooting his back sometimes.

[otherone]

"Union" Home Inspector? Da fuq? Every inspector I know is self-employed and definitely not leftist.

[dannno]

874996466598764545
https://twitter.com/TreyYingst/status/874996466598764545

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/p__/images/a/af/Wallace_smile.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140805233017&path-prefix=protagonist

[dannno]

Sounds pretty out of character


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0rolRUcX1o

[dannno]

Mike's fired up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfhVUkBWUQI

[Swordsmyth]

Dramatic New Video Captures Exact Moment Shooter Opened Fire On GOP Baseball Practicehttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-14/dramatic-new-video-captures-exact-moment-shooter-opened-fire-gop-baseball-practice

[Brian4Liberty]

In case you have missed the coverage, it's important to know that this guy was a Bernie Sanders supporter. He was not a Hillary supporter. Probably not even a Democrat. A crazy Bernie supporter.

[Lamp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0rolRUcX1o
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to dannno again.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

this is why liberals want gun control, so the rest of us can't protect ourselves from them. psychopaths

[Krugminator2]

Leftists are the most violent, intolerant people on the planet. These shooting are overwhelmingly done by leftists. Almost all vandalism and riots are done by leftists.

When your whole ideology is based on using government violence to promote your social outcomes, it isn't a far leap to use violence on your own against people who get in the way of promoting your ideology.

[Dr.3D]

Leftists are the most violent, intolerant people on the planet. These shooting are overwhelmingly done by leftists. Almost all vandalism and riots are done by leftists.

When your whole ideology is based on using government violence to promote your social outcomes, it isn't a far leap to use violence on your own against people who get in the way of promoting your ideology.
That's probably why they are afraid of letting people have firearms. They know they couldn't be trusted with them so they think nobody should be trusted with them.

[anaconda]

Prolly a "gun-free zone."

[Swordsmyth]

GOP Congressman Shot At A Baseball Practice Is In Critical Condition, Hospital Says
https://www.yahoo.com/style/gop-senator-several-others-were-125000491.html

[Swordsmyth]

https://www.thenewamerican.com/freedom-index

Dist.1: Steve Scalise (https://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=38&Itemid=828&nameid=S001176) - 68%

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

That's probably why they are afraid of letting people have firearms. They know they couldn't be trusted with them so they think nobody should be trusted with them.

Yup the right is just full of bigots the left literally wants to kill you and turn your unborn children into skin cream

[spudea]

The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

I'm adding another prophetic quote to my sig.

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

You can expect a new push for gun control after this...

Funny the shooting at UPS facility dovetailing with this incident

[Anti Federalist]

You can expect a new push for gun control after this...

Count on it.

The difference is, they will probably get it this time.

I most certainly can see the GOP crimping and folding in the face of progressive caterwauling that will follow in the weeks to come.

[Krugminator2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHM73eJCa7k

[Zippyjuan]

"Union" Home Inspector? Da fuq? Every inspector I know is self-employed and definitely not leftist.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-congressional-baseball-shooting-identified/story?id=48032649

Doesn't sound like he was a Union man.


Hodgkinson's wife told ABC News that he had been living in Alexandria, Virginia, for the past two months. Illinois secretary of state corporate records show that he had voluntarily dissolved his home inspection business, JTH Services Inc., in December.


FBI Special Agent in Charge Tim Slater said at a Wednesday evening press conference that since March Hodgkinson had been living out of his vehicle -- a white cargo van -- in Alexandria.



Sen. Bernie Sanders, D-Vt., said that Hodgkinson supported his bid for the presidency.

"I have just been informed that the alleged shooter at the Republican baseball practice is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign. I am sickened by this despicable act. Let me be as clear as I can be. Violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society, and I condemn this action in the strongest possible terms," Sanders said this morning on the Senate floor.



A Facebook profile believed to have belonged to Hodgkinson included a number of posts related to politics, some of which were critical of Trump. In some, Hodgkinson labelled Trump a traitor and called for him to be impeached. The profile has since been removed from Facebook.

In March, Hodgkinson met with sheriff's deputies in Illinois after they received calls that he fired 50 shots on his property. He had a valid firearms owner's identification card, and authorities determined that no law was violated.

Another incident took place in 2006, involving alleged domestic battery and unlawful discharge of a shotgun. That case was dismissed.

Separately, Hodgkinson had an extensive history of traffic violations and petty offenses in St. Clair County, Illinois, spanning from 1989 to 2011, according to online county court records. The vast majority of the cases were traffic violations, and nearly all of them were dismissed. The most recent conviction on his record was for a petty offense of failure to obtain an electrical contractor's license in 2009.

[AuH20]

I'm not even a big fan of Scalise, but I'd love to play by this rule. By my estimation, there is plenty of karma to go around.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCSJ0l6XsAEHWAD.jpg

[dannno]

The most recent conviction on his record was for a petty offense of failure to obtain an electrical contractor's license in 2009.

But muh regulations..

[Swordsmyth]

But muh regulations..
Why should a good liberal like him have to play by the rules his side created? Those are set up to keep "Righty" down.

[Anti Federalist]

Violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society

Unless you are a government enforcer.

[acptulsa]

I'm not even a big fan of Scalise, but I'd love to play by this rule. By my estimation, there is plenty of karma to go around.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCSJ0l6XsAEHWAD.jpg

Being unarmed while only the socialists are armed is our idea of a good time...?

[donnay]

Count on it.

The difference is, they will probably get it this time.

I most certainly can see the GOP crimping and folding in the face of progressive caterwauling that will follow in the weeks to come.

They might push it, but the gunman didn't even have a permit from Illinois where he resided. He also had a pretty big rap sheet. He was also a Bernie Sander's supporter.

[Swordsmyth]

Count on it.

The difference is, they will probably get it this time.

I most certainly can see the GOP crimping and folding in the face of progressive caterwauling that will follow in the weeks to come.


They might push it, but the gunman didn't even have a permit from Illinois where he resided. He also had a pretty big rap sheet. He was also a Bernie Sander's supporter.

And the prominent targets should oppose it.

[Swordsmyth]

GOP rep. received threatening email with subject line 'One down, 216 to go...' after lawmaker shooting
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/337782-gop-rep-received-threatening-email-with-subject-line-one-down-216-to-go-after

[William Tell]

Massie gets it
Congressman Thomas Massie (https://www.facebook.com/RepThomasMassie/?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE&fref=nf)1 hr ·

I'm extremely thankful for the heroic efforts of the United States Capitol Police at the ball field today. Things could have been much worse if they hadn't been there and ready to respond. What's always evident in these situations is: the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. We need to repeal laws that keep good guys from carrying guns, since not everyone has a personal police detail. The right to keep and bear arms is the common person's first line of defense in these situations, and it should never be denied.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

They might push it, but the gunman didn't even have a permit from Illinois where he resided. He also had a pretty big rap sheet. He was also a Bernie Sander's supporter.

repeating that last line is just as bad as the MSM trying to say Ron Paul fucking heils hitler because some random nazi says he likes ron paul

[donnay]

repeating that last line is just as bad as the MSM trying to say Ron Paul $#@!ing heils hitler because some random nazi says he likes ron paul

It was clear he was not a Trump Supporter or a Republican. That's what it was meant to point out. The left has this tendency to twist things to push their agenda, hard to do it when their agenda cannot be folded into the facts.

[Pauls' Revere]

Mewonders the political position of the shooter.

Hang on to your hats; I'm sure the "left" are going to go apey over this one... or maybe not since Republicans were the targets.

Best wishes to all who got hurt. I hope the "dragging" the body deal is not indicative of what it likely is.



https://www.yahoo.com/gma/suspect-congressional-baseball-shooting-identified-150304142--abc-news-topstories.html

The FBI is asking for information from the public about any interactions they had with Hodgkinson, either during his time in Virginia or as he drove from his home in Illinois to Virginia.

Sen. Bernie Sanders, D-Vt., said that Hodgkinson supported his bid for the presidency.

"I have just been informed that the alleged shooter at the Republican baseball practice is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign. I am sickened by this despicable act.

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/suspect-congressional-baseball-shooting-identified-150304142--abc-news-topstories.html



Sen. Bernie Sanders, D-Vt., said that Hodgkinson supported his bid for the presidency.

"I have just been informed that the alleged shooter at the Republican baseball practice is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign. I am sickened by this despicable act.

All candidates have their idiot supporters.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZB8lmDjxnM

These are Rand Paul supporters:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZxvYdYOqWQ

[acptulsa]

All candidates have their idiot supporters.

But none are as foolish and self-destructive as Fed supporters.

[liveandletlive]

Liberals digging up Rand tweets, how cute.

Politics aside, we sure have a lot of crazies in this country. To me, it brought back memories of the Beltway Snipers, Muhammad and Malvo. Absolutely sickening how depraved the human mind can be.

[Swordsmyth]

Progressive Media Personalities Agree: Those Republicans Deserved To Get Shot (http://thefederalist.com/2017/06/14/insane-reactions-alexandria-shooting-thus-far/)

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

They cast one side as a fascist, a Nazi, Hitler, Voldemort, Darth Vader and Sauron. They cast the other as "the resistance", the rebels, the noble strugglers against tyranny. It is not at all surprising that a narrative like that leads to violence. This is the first shooting and the first major act of violence outside of the Antifa-nexus, and it likely won't be the last.

[Krugminator2]

All candidates have their idiot supporters.



By definition all Sanders supporters are idiots. And the big difference is leftists are violent. There was no Tea Party violence. There was some but minimal violence by Trump people. There have been tons of lootings, stabbings "hate crimes", and physical intimidation by leftists in the last 2 years. The number is probably at least 20 or more violent attacks from a leftist for every one attack from someone identifying as being political right.

People on the right NEVER as a group say a person on the left deserve violence because of a political disagreement. A large percentage of the left does think people who oppose socialized medicine, minimum wage hikes, school lunches, taking guns away, etc are monsters who "get what is coming to them and hopefully will correct their evil ways."

[Zippyjuan]

By definition all Sanders supporters are idiots. And the big difference is leftists are violent. There was no Tea Party violence. There was some but minimal violence by Trump people. There have been tons of lootings, stabbings "hate crimes", and physical intimidation by leftists in the last 2 years. The number is probably at least 20 or more violent attacks from a leftist for every one attack from someone identifying as being political right.

People on the right NEVER as a group say a person on the left deserve violence because of a political disagreement. A large percentage of the left does think people who oppose socialized medicine, minimum wage hikes, school lunches, taking guns away, etc are monsters who "get what is coming to them and hopefully will correct their evil ways."

Nope. Never.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L0K8Xdrv58

[Krugminator2]

Nope. Never.



That's not a good example at all. That isn't chasing down and attacking someone for a political disagreement. Trump is saying to beat the crap out of people who show up at his rallies for the sole purpose of being disruptive. He is saying beat up protesters. And it should tell you something that right wing agitators did not go to Sanders and Clinton rallies for the purpose of being obnoxious.

[RJB]

Nope. Never.

Show the video of libertarians rioting in mass, shutting down highways, looting and burning businesses,etc., because someone is supposed to speak at a college who they dislike.

[AuH20]

https://redice.tv/news/james-t-hodgkinson-what-we-know-about-the-virginia-shooter

[oyarde]

"Union" Home Inspector? Da fuq? Every inspector I know is self-employed and definitely not leftist.

It is Illinois , commieland . Pence should have built a wall preventing them to pass . I would have chipped in .

[Origanalist]

All I know is that it's a sign of the times when something like this happens the first thought on my mind is 'how is this going to impact me'? How much is the police state going to grow as a result?

[AuH20]

875152149075771392

[oyarde]

In case you have missed the coverage, it's important to know that this guy was a Bernie Sanders supporter. He was not a Hillary supporter. Probably not even a Democrat. A crazy Bernie supporter.

As a union home inspector from illinois we know several things . He is a communist who has voted for dems his entire life , he has sucked a dick before and america cannot be great because there are more of him than people think.

[AuH20]

875163514146627584

[AuH20]

875024589641920512

[RonZeplin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD06x9eSFy0

[AuH20]

The definition of a TRUE BELIEVER.

http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article156092134.html




Obama’s for U.S. workers

I can’t believe how many people are upset with our president. You’d think that the world was full of rich millionaires. Why else would these people talk badly about a guy who has their best interest at heart?

I read the other day about a man blaming President Barack Obama for food stamp recipients going up from 26 million to 46 million. Anyone with a knowledge of the facts would know that this is because of former President George W. Bush, and his ruining our economy. He got us into two wars that we couldn’t afford and gave all his rich friends tax breaks.

If people would check the causes of the Great Depression, they would find that income inequality was one of the major causes. Because of this fact, President Franklin Roosevelt and Congress raised taxes back up to what they were before the Republican Presidents Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge and tax cuts of 1921, 1924 and 1926, leading to the Great Depression.

If we don’t want another Great Depression, we should re-elect the man who is working for the working man. President Ronald Reagan’s “trickle down” policy did not work, and never will.

A strong middle class is what a country needs to prosper. The only thing that has trickled down in the last 30 years came from Mitt Romney’s dog.

Let’s vote all Republicans out of Congress, and get this country back on track. We need 10 more tax brackets for income over $1 million, $2 million, $3 million, $4 million and $10 million.

[spudea]

Nope. Never.

And trump was widely condemned, even by republicans. Meanwhile, the democrats support this:

https://i.redd.it/w20zfad51n3z.png

https://i.redd.it/ppyuihrltp3z.jpg

https://i.redd.it/6ig8x5sbfp3z.jpg

https://i.redd.it/gqx6p71sfo3z.jpg

https://i.redd.it/ripitgnp5o3z.png

https://i.redd.it/56yv6ye5yl3z.jpg

874967140008316930

875085971859091458

[Anti Federalist]

This whole cluster fuck is a shining example of just how well and truly fucked we are.

This guy shoots up a bunch of politicians that, ostensibly want nothing more than to leave you be, as much as possible.

He lays down his life, and it appears he was not deranged, or clearly insane but just impassioned, for the cause of being enslaved.

For the cause of more government, more taxation, more control, more regulation...maybe you could say that is prima facie evidence of insanity. If so, he is in the company of hundreds of millions.

If anybody cares, I'll dig up the link, but there was just another Gallup poll done on the people's thoughts toward government. They published the questions and it confirmed what I has suspected all along: people don't hate government because it is running roughshod over their liberties and has become tyrannical. No, they hate it of course, because it is not "getting along with each other" and creating more government to hand out more free shit.

FFS, is anybody gonna lift a finger in defense?

The powers that be declared open war on us 25 years ago. The cops have been ratcheting that war up every day. The government media is almost daily publishing "hurry up and die already" pieces. The fifth column in academia and entertainment has gone, quite literally, insane in their rhetoric against remnant AmeriKa.

[Anti Federalist]

From Ruby Ridge to Waco to OKC to 9/11 to O-bomb-ya the "right" could not find a suitable John Brown.

Maybe the "left" was able to today.

Secession, now, please, for the love of Christ...

[Swordsmyth]

Rep. Steve Scalise of Louisiana remained in "critical" condition Wednesday night after sustaining a gunshot wound to the left hip when a gunman opened fire on Congress members and staff attending baseball practice earlier in the day."The bullet travelled across his pelvis, fracturing bones, injuring internal organs, and causing severe bleeding," read a statement (https://twitter.com/abbydphillip/status/875161706774900736) from the MedStar Washington Hospital Center. "He underwent immediate surgery, and an additional procedure to stop bleeding.
The hospital said Scalise had received "multiple units of blood transfusion."

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/congressman-remains-critical-condition-being-023345103.html


Deepest and sincere thanks to the LORD that Rand is not lying at death's door as well.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

this shit is still barely on TV. When sandy hook happened it was made to become part of the anti-gun agenda so that's all you saw. Someone opening fire on congress? Meh, that's on the backpages.

[AuH20]

875022584517197824

[AuH20]

875076329313517568


I'm not really angry at these tweets. I don't want the average liberal dead since I view them as damaged goods. I'd rather see them cut off politically, even if that means a vast civilizational collapse. My real venom is reserved for the puppetmasters who have promoted an artificial reality that lends credence to these insecurities.

[AuH20]

Rep. Steve Scalise of Louisiana remained in "critical" condition Wednesday night after sustaining a gunshot wound to the left hip when a gunman opened fire on Congress members and staff attending baseball practice earlier in the day."The bullet travelled across his pelvis, fracturing bones, injuring internal organs, and causing severe bleeding," read a statement (https://twitter.com/abbydphillip/status/875161706774900736) from the MedStar Washington Hospital Center. "He underwent immediate surgery, and an additional procedure to stop bleeding.
The hospital said Scalise had received "multiple units of blood transfusion."

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/congressman-remains-critical-condition-being-023345103.html


Deepest and sincere thanks to the LORD that Rand is not lying at death's door as well.

Rand was probably a highly visible target given his notoriety with Maddow and that signature coif.

[Anti Federalist]

People on the right NEVER as a group say a person on the left deserve violence because of a political disagreement. A large percentage of the left does think people who oppose socialized medicine, minimum wage hikes, school lunches, taking guns away, etc are monsters who "get what is coming to them and hopefully will correct their evil ways."

No, I'm not gonna go there either, because there have been plenty of examples of it from 'our side' as well, as our resident contrarian has already quickly pointed out. A search on this board alone, could pull up a thousand or more examples.

You alluded to the "moral high ground" that we do possess however.

"We", very loosely defined as the "liberty movement", see force used as needed to defend yourself, or to stop government from running roughshod over your life, liberty or property, as justified, and I for one, see it as being very necessary when the times call for it, as they do now.

Our enemies, very loosely defined as the "progressive movement", use force to achieve compliance with their wishes, mandates, fatwas and edicts, against your will.

[AuH20]

Sounds like an emotional nutcase who couldn't handle gun ownership:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/tgp-exclusive-interview-shooters-neighbor-tires-slashed-police-called-multiple-times-gunfire/

[AuH20]

No, I'm not gonna go there either, because there have been plenty of examples of it from 'our side' as well, as our resident contrarian has already quickly pointed out. A search on this board alone, could pull up a thousand or more examples.

You alluded to the "moral high ground" that we do possess however.

"We", very loosely defined as the "liberty movement", see force used as needed to defend yourself, or to stop government from running roughshod over your life, liberty or property, as justified, and I for one, see it as being very necessary when the times call for it, as they do now.

Our enemies, very loosely defined as the "progressive movement", use force to achieve compliance with their wishes, mandates, fatwas and edicts, against your will.

Violence is necessary when agents of the state routinely utilize political violence against the disenfranchised in such a willful manner. Absolutely. Now finding the correct criteria to administer said justice is a completely different animal. Maybe if you found a video of a congress critter raping a child. That would count as an 'open/shut' case without much intense deliberation or fact finding.

[AuH20]

If someone dropped off Nancy Pelosi at my door in shrinkwrap, I don't think I could follow through, unless I was given a horrific piece of evidence in the Pizzagate realm.

[Anti Federalist]

If someone dropped off Nancy Pelosi at my door in shrinkwrap, I don't think I could follow through, unless I was given a horrific piece of evidence in the Pizzagate realm.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGEmFpitjYw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmWXAPQiq_Q

[AuH20]

If you take stolen, redistributed property away from a leftist, are you liable for death? That seems to be the angle that some of these people are pushing. Remove material benefits with a piece of legislation and they are within THEIR RIGHTS to inflict bodily harm.

[showpan]

I can't believe I just read all 4 pages of this....lol...Leftists are more violent than rightists who are trying to give the country back to the people....OMFG...lmao

With that out in the open, there is no difference between left and right. It's a hoax. A lie. Fake news....lol...they are one snake with 2 different colored heads. The agenda is still the same, just the means of getting there are slightly different.

Ok, back to the OP. This guy had problems. He was married and was not spending his time at home with his wife. He was hanging out by a Walgrens sitting on a bench or at the Y, living out of his van. He put his bike up for sale. (probably just needed some wind therapy!!!) His home inspectors’ license expired last November. I would guess he was going through some marital and financial problems and simply snapped. His record varied from DUI to10 years ago and that involved a dispute with his neighbors over his daughter where most of the charges stem from. That hardly labels him as having a record a mile long or even being a violent person which his friends say he wasn't. He was quiet and mellow. We will probably never know, at least for now, what meds he was prescribed like most of our mass shooters. Either way, some of the comments in this post made by so called Libertarians are way off base and made with an obvious agenda....lol...at least post some proof of facts if you are going to make bizarre claims.

http://www.bnd.com/news/local/crime/article156131139.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/law-enforcement-officials-identify-shooter-at-congressional-ballgame-as-illinois-man/2017/06/14/ba6439f4-510f-11e7-91eb-9611861a988f_story.html?utm_term=.bf1ff6b84d00


And these comments from the so called "peaceful" Trumpateers

http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article156100679.html

[enhanced_deficit]

There are bipartisan calls for unity and prayers for SS from various sides.



June 14, 2017





Press Release

ZOA Praying For Cong. Scalise and Staffers Full Recovery From Hater’s Shooting


https://zoa.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Scalise-photo-sm.jpgCong. Steve Scalise (R-La)

Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) President Morton A. Klein released the following statement:
All of us at the ZOA are praying for House Majority Whip, Congressman Steve Scalise (R-LA), and his aides and everyone who was injured when an evil hater, who was an activist supporter of Bernie Sanders, opened fire at a Republican Congressional charity baseball practice this morning. We wish all the injured a “Refuah Shelaima” – a full and speedy recovery from their wounds.






On a different note, NBC had strange reporting on this, stated it was not terrorism. Terrorism is defined as violent action against civilians with a political agenda. Did the shooter fit the definition of being a "terrorist"?

[Ender]

On a different note, NBC had strange reporting on this, stated it was not terrorism. Terrorism is defined as violent action against civilians with a political agenda. Did the shooter fit the definition of being a "terrorist"?

Only if he has brown skin.

[Swordsmyth]

On a different note, NBC had strange reporting on this, stated it was not terrorism. Terrorism is defined as violent action against civilians with a political agenda. Did the shooter fit the definition of being a "terrorist"?


Only if he has brown skin.

No only if he was religious. (muslim or Christian)

[Anti Federalist]

I can't believe I just read all 4 pages of this....lol...Leftists are more violent than rightists who are trying to give the country back to the people....OMFG...lmao

With that out in the open, there is no difference between left and right. It's a hoax. A lie. Fake news....lol...they are one snake with 2 different colored heads. The agenda is still the same, just the means of getting there are slightly different.

Ok, back to the OP. This guy had problems. He was married and was not spending his time at home with his wife. He was hanging out by a Walgrens sitting on a bench or at the Y, living out of his van. He put his bike up for sale. (probably just needed some wind therapy!!!) His home inspectors’ license expired last November. I would guess he was going through some marital and financial problems and simply snapped. His record varied from DUI to10 years ago and that involved a dispute with his neighbors over his daughter where most of the charges stem from. That hardly labels him as having a record a mile long or even being a violent person which his friends say he wasn't. He was quiet and mellow. We will probably never know, at least for now, what meds he was prescribed like most of our mass shooters. Either way, some of the comments in this post made by so called Libertarians are way off base and made with an obvious agenda....lol...at least post some proof of facts if you are going to make bizarre claims.

http://www.bnd.com/news/local/crime/article156131139.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/law-enforcement-officials-identify-shooter-at-congressional-ballgame-as-illinois-man/2017/06/14/ba6439f4-510f-11e7-91eb-9611861a988f_story.html?utm_term=.bf1ff6b84d00


And these comments from the so called "peaceful" Trumpateers

http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article156100679.html

What comments, specifically?


With that out in the open, there is no difference between left and right. It's a hoax. A lie. Fake news....lol...they are one snake with 2 different colored heads. The agenda is still the same, just the means of getting there are slightly different.

As much as I've bitched about Rand "playing the game" I am quite sure his agenda is not the same agenda as the progressive left's.

And he was a target today.

And so would his dad, had he still been in office, as he was a regular on the Congressional baseball team.

ETA:


(probably just needed some wind therapy!!!)

Can't argue with that...after a thirty year dry spell, I'm better off.

ETA 2:


He was quiet and mellow.

Eh, not according to his neighbors...but that doesn't matter.

I don't think he was nuts...he doesn't look it, doesn't act it.

[Anti Federalist]

No only if he was religious. (muslim or Christian)

It's called "terrorism" by the official organs when it is a state sanctioned event to produce a desired political outcome.

IOW a "false flag" event.

If it's any kind of "organic" political violence it's dismissed as generic "hate" or assigned no moral value at all, if it runs counter to the official organ's narratives.

[enhanced_deficit]

On a different note, NBC had strange reporting on this, stated it was not terrorism. Terrorism is defined as violent action against civilians with a political agenda. Did the shooter fit the definition of being a "terrorist"?




Only if he has brown skin.






No only if he was religious. (muslim or Christian)

Terrorism | Definition of Terrorism by Merriam-Webster

Define terrorism: the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal — terrorism in a sentence

https://icons.duckduckgo.com/ip2/www.merriam-webster.com.icohttps://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terrorism





NBC owners seems to have strange reporting instructions for employees.

[Swordsmyth]

BREAKING: IS THIS WHY REP. STEVE SCALISE WAS SHOT TODAY?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiaLFhe1OYg

[osan]

The definition of a TRUE BELIEVER.

http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article156092134.html

And who, exactly, is the twinky whose opinion is here captioned?

[osan]

BREAKING: IS THIS WHY REP. STEVE SCALISE WAS SHOT TODAY?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiaLFhe1OYg

As is oft quipped, in politics there is no such thing as coincidence.

[donnay]

Professor Called For House Republicans To Be ‘Lined Up And Shot’

KERRY PICKET

WASHINGTON — Just weeks before a gunman shot four people at a Republican congressional baseball practice, a college professor called for Republicans to be “lined up and shot.”

Dr. John Griffin, a professor of Media Arts and Animation at the Art Institute of Washington, decried Republican efforts to repeal Obamacare back on May 4 and posted on Facebook his suggestion to shoot Republican House members. In another post, Griffin used an expletive to refer to the GOP.

“Republicans are a f***ing joke and their voting block runs the gamit [sic] from monstrous to ignorant,” Griffin wrote.

Griffin, whose school is located just outside of Washington D.C., later apologized.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/14/professor-called-for-house-republicans-to-be-lined-up-and-shot/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com

[donnay]

BREAKING: IS THIS WHY REP. STEVE SCALISE WAS SHOT TODAY?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiaLFhe1OYg

Hmm...there seems to be an effort to keep this news out of the light.

[asurfaholic]

Hmm...there seems to be an effort to keep this news out of the light.

Can someone summarize for those of us unable to watch YouTube at work?

[donnay]

Can someone summarize for those of us unable to watch YouTube at work?

Rep. Steve Scalise made a commercial to crack down on human trafficking and making sure that they be brought to justice.

Trump and Sessions has been going after these people since day one.

Sex Trafficking Arrests Soar Under Trump; MSM Completely Ignores
http://www.dailywire.com/news/14176/sex-trafficking-arrests-soar-under-trump-msm-joseph-curl#

President Trump Signs A Historic Executive Order Declaring All Out War On Human Trafficking, Why Is The Media Silent?
http://qpolitical.com/president-trump-signs-historic-executive-order-declaring-war-human-trafficking-media-silent/

[nikcers]

Can someone summarize for those of us unable to watch YouTube at work?

He posted a video saying that human trafficking is bad, videotheorist says this is why he was targeted.

[Root]

Anyone know how the gunman died while in custody?

[The Northbreather]

Anyone know how the gunman died while in custody?

Is that what happened? I've been trying to figure out details on how it ended.

[Root]

Is that what happened? I've been trying to figure out details on how it ended.
I don't know either, that's why I asked. All I know is the initial reports said the shooter was in custody, then all of a sudden he got dead somehow.

[CPUd]

I'm gonna take a wild guess- he was shot.

[Cleaner44]

Anyone know how the gunman died while in custody?

Wasn't the gunman shot? I think he died of his wounds.

[shakey1]

Wasn't the gunman shot? I think he died of his wounds.

That's what I'd heard.

[angelatc]

As is oft quipped, in politics there is no such thing as coincidence.

THe people who watch video never fact check anything. Youtube is just an extension of the boobtube.

[angelatc]

He posted a video saying that human trafficking is bad, videotheorist says this is why he was targeted.

Human trafficking = boogity boogity.

[pcosmar]

Wasn't the gunman shot? I think he died of his wounds.

Saves keeping him drugged through a trial.

[enhanced_deficit]

Gangstaism: Obama awarded "Feeedom Medal" to actor who wanted to "punch Trump in the face" (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?511705-Gangstaism-Obama-awarded-quot-Feeedom-Medal-quot-to-actor-who-wanted-to-quot-punch-Trump-in-the-face-quot&)
HuffPo has deleted the photo and Media owners may try to push this under the rug but there are still photos un-deleted on some UK news sites.

For his bold efforts in spreading freedom, De Niro has been rewarded by DGP with a "Medal of Freedom":

Robert De Niro: 'I'd like to punch Donald Trump in the face' – video
The Guardian-Oct 8, 2016
https://www.theguardian.com/global/v...the-face-video
(https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2016/oct/08/robert-de-niro-id-like-to-punch-donald-trump-in-the-face-video)

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(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?502154-Robert-De-Niro-Rips-into-Donald-Trump-He-s-A-Pig-I-would-like-to-punch-him-in-the-face%21&p=6378285&viewfull=1#post6378285)
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Obama Awards Medal of Freedom to Robert De Niro
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[phill4paul]

Anyone know how the gunman died while in custody?

In one of the articles it mentioned him being med evac/ air lifted to a hospital. At that point he would have been considered alive and in custody. Due to wounds he may have died in route or upon arrival.

[angelatc]

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[enhanced_deficit]

Anyone know how the gunman died while in custody?

Did not see such detail in media news.
Might have been same way Miriam Carey died at the footsteps of White House couple of years ago, though sheer speculation.





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[angelatc]

Do they keep boxes of those buttons in a closet just waiting for some major event to happen? It's weird.

[Anti Federalist]

There Will be More

https://ericpetersautos.com/2017/06/15/there-will-likely-be-more/

By eric - June 15, 2017

Violence is, unfortunately, fungible.

As this society becomes more and more officially violent, it is probable that unofficial violence will also increase. In fact, it is almost a mathematical axiom. It is also one not comprehended by those most responsible for initiating the process.

Police and politicians seem baffled by the growing disenchantment with their class. They seem to expect people to behave toward them with respect and deference no matter what they do – by dint of the fact that what they do is Official and Legal.

Why are politicians – left and right – increasingly despised by reasonable people? Could it have anything to do with the fact that they will not leave people alone? That all they do – at great expense (to us) and with great pomposity – is decree how we will be allowed to live, what we must do and what we may not do? Most of these things being precisely none of their business to so order?

But they believe that it – that everything – is their business, which endows them with an effrontery so great they’ve lost all of the normal restraints that bind ordinary people. We have arrived at a point in our history that absolutely nothing is off the table, beyond the grasping control of these professional grifters – which is what they are. These are not people who earn an honest living by free exchange of value for value, as most of the rest of us do. These are people who take vast sums of money and then dispose of vast sums of money – none of it theirs by right.

They do so with an entitled insolence that is insufferable to those from whom the funds are mulcted. The worst part of it being that the mulcted are rendered legally defenseless against these outrages. A law is passed, an order given – and they must “stand and deliver,” as the old saying goes.

If one had a neighbor who behaved this way, one would bar the neighbor from one’s property and – if there was no alternative – defend oneself against such a violent busybody.

But what defense is there against the political class?

The Vote?

That is like trying to plug a leaky roof with sheets of copy paper. At best, the rivulets will temporarily lessen. The rain won’t let up.

Instead of protecting our rights, politicians spend their time gutting them, turning them into conditional privileges at best – to be further conditioned (or rescinded) at their pleasure. Nothing of ours is safe. Not our money, not our property, not our freedom to act and live as we see fit. There is no line over which these professional disposers of other people’s lives and property and liberties will not step as they are held back neither by ordinary human decency or legal restriction.

They have become a ruling caste, as entitled and arrogant as their feudal analogs.

The glib violence which inheres in their every act and statement has become so much a given that they hardly notice it anymore. When a new “plan” or other such is presented, the fact that what is being suggested involves more compulsion and violence, that people will have no choice, is never even mentioned. The discussion is increasingly centered only on the supposed merits of the “plan” – and alternatives to the “plan.” That is to say, other “plans.”

Resentment grows.

The average honest wage-earner in the productive economy now “owes” his Lord(s) more than a Medieval serf owed his Lord. The typical tax exaction – when one includes the income tax, the Social Security taxes (15 percent off the top for the self-employed), the taxes on their property and so on – approaches half of every dollar they earn. The burden has become so extreme that most people must now earn two incomes to support one family and work until they are too old to continue working. The oasis of financial security recedes ever farther into the distance, never to be reached.

The productive class would like to be left alone – would like for the mulcting to cease.

Meanwhile, the client class (their ranks swelling with Millennial Marxists) demands ever-more-mulcting for their unearned benefit, which the politicians are happy to oblige as they receive payment for their services in the form of ever-increasing power.

(And it is from here that the most heated rhetoric is coming from. The shooter in VA didn't do this to preserve freedom or beat back tyranny. He did it because he was angry there was not enough tyranny, he demanded more government, more taxes, more intrusion into our lives by government and more confiscation of people's wealth. And there are millions more just like him in this country and billions more around the world. If we, we meaning the loosely defined "liberty movement" do not seriously address this, through secession and separation, we will be overwhelmed and sunk by sheer numbers alone. - AF)

Social resentment swells.

As it does, more overt violence becomes necessary to keep the pressure cooker’s lid clamped in place.

Enter the Praetorians. Or what is styled law enforcement.

It is no accident that this term – which is brutally honest – has become the preferred one. Nor that these enforcers of the law wax brutal. Behave toward the citizenry as occupying soldiers, barking orders and expecting – demanding – immediate submission.

Resentment of this bullying is also increasing.

Which has the effect of justifying a kind of doubling-down by the enforcers – whose mental state is becoming exactly like that of an occupying army dealing with threatening partisans. A soldier of the Werhmacht and veteran of the drang nach Osten would understand completely the fearful bleat of “officer safety” eructed by the enforcers of the law.

More distrust. Dislike morphing into hatred, barely suppressed. On both sides.

It is none of it good.

And it is going to get worse.

Because violence is fungible.

[angelatc]

It's been pretty much proven that the Giffords shooting was not political. Loughner left piles of journals full of his thoughts.


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[Origanalist]

It's been pretty much proven that the Giffords shooting was not political. Loughner left piles of journals full of his thoughts.


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They don't care, the truth is anathema to them unless a edited version of it suits their agenda.

[Aratus]

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Yes... he does look like the actor. Back of the mind, I knew James Hodgkinson
wasn't easy to peg, but seemed not too unusual or atypical given his age group.

[Aratus]

He had a rifle and a handgun, he fired off 50 to 60 bullets...

[Aratus]

The two Capitol Police were brave, each had a handgun.
Rand Paul is correct, they prevented a massacre, instead
we have "death by cop" as an intent if summing things up.
There is now public pressure for each state to now have gun
control laws as strict as those in Massachusetts, where I live.

[Aratus]

If the guy took 40 shots and only hit one person he must have been trying to make some kind of statement (like, hey, I'm crazy so you need to make guns illegal...)


Possibly.

I've seen cops, supposedly "trained professionals", do the same thing however.

My guess is the shooter was a noob...sends a magazine downrange from the hip or "gangster style" and expected everybody to drop dead, like the movies.

Then got shot while trying to load a fresh magazine.


You can expect a new push for gun control after this...

Most curiously enuff, Congress is much more cautiously unified. After Attorney Gen'l Jeff Sessions
dodged those questions, I expected the Democrats to push for a 5 to 10 article Bill of Impeachment.
hyperbole is almost being put under the same category as Hate speech, life is now harder for fringe
group agitators and instigators. D.C stepping back from the obvious hands DJT leeway, an' political
wiggle room. One long hot summer looms, like that of '68 or 73, but our POTUS is not like Nixon!!!

[Swordsmyth]

Scalise still critical, 'has improved in the last 24 hours'http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/15/politics/steve-scalise-shooting-surgery-update/index.html

[Wooden Indian]

The two Capitol Police were brave, each had a handgun.
Rand Paul is correct, they prevented a massacre, instead
we have "death by cop" as an intent if summing things up.
There is now public pressure for each state to now have gun
control laws as strict as those in Massachusetts, where I live.

I haven't followed this outside of this thread, but if true that 2 coppers with service revolvers faced off against him... armed as he was, yeah, that's bravery.

I'd buy em a beer if I could. Of course they would probably arrest me for some unheard of felony an hour later... but anyhoo, nice work on this one coppers.

[FSP-Rebel]

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[Swordsmyth]

#HuntRepublicans: Dem Strategist Calls For Civil WarA New Jersey Democrat operative is calling for the murder of conservatives and “rich people” by using the hashtags #HuntRepublicans and #HuntRepublicanCongressmen on social media.
More at: https://www.infowars.com/hunt-republicans-democrat-strategist-calls-for-civil-war/

[bunklocoempire]

#HuntRepublicans: Dem Strategist Calls For Civil WarA New Jersey Democrat operative is calling for the murder of conservatives and “rich people” by using the hashtags #HuntRepublicans and #HuntRepublicanCongressmen on social media.
More at: https://www.infowars.com/hunt-republicans-democrat-strategist-calls-for-civil-war/


Don't sweat it.
The police are required by law to protect everyone, and government has never been more accountable.

I've come to expect great value from union workers with a guaranteed paycheck -as long they follow orders and don't rock the boat. "Services" you can't opt out of paying for, always provide the best value for preventing massacres.

/s

[Swordsmyth]

Scalise doctor hopes for 'excellent recovery'
In his first public comments since the shooting, Dr. Jack Sava of MedStar Washington Hospital Center said it's a "good possibility" that the Louisiana Republican will be able to return to work in his full capacity.
Sava declined to put a timeline on when that would happen or when Scalise, 51, would be able to leave the hospital. The doctor described how a bullet from an assault rifle entered Scalise's hip and traversed his pelvis, shattering blood vessels, bones and internal organs along the way.
For now, Scalise remains in critical condition in the hospital's intensive care unit.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/scalise-more-surgery-authorities-track-shooters-path-070849959--politics.html

[phill4paul]

Republicans got creamed. 11-2 Domocrats. Trophy goes to Scalise despite loss. Charity raised was double last years amount. $1 million raised. Charities included Washington, DC area charities including The Washington Literacy Center, The Boys and Girls Club of Greater Washington, and the Washington Nationals Dream Foundation.

However, because of the sacrifice of "heroes," funds will also be given to United States Capitol Police Memorial Fund and the Fraternal Order of Police.

Because, ya know, with the plethora of police benevolence societies, and the adulation of the mindless, cops need charity. :rolleyes:

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[osan]

THe people who watch video never fact check anything. Youtube is just an extension of the boobtube.

Are you saying the video assertions are not in fact true?

[angelatc]

Are you saying the video assertions are not in fact true?

They lost me at "Human Trafficking."

Looks like he had a list - https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/06/16/report-james-hodgkinson-had-assassination-list-n2342395


The list of names included Alabama Rep. Mo Brooks, South Carolina Rep. Jeff Duncan and Arizona Rep. Trent Franks, TheDC has confirmed.

The FBI has contacted at least one of the three congressmen to inform them of their inclusion on the list.

[angelatc]

Scalise doctor hopes for 'excellent recovery'
In his first public comments since the shooting, Dr. Jack Sava of MedStar Washington Hospital Center said it's a "good possibility" that the Louisiana Republican will be able to return to work in his full capacity.
Sava declined to put a timeline on when that would happen or when Scalise, 51, would be able to leave the hospital. The doctor described how a bullet from an assault rifle entered Scalise's hip and traversed his pelvis, shattering blood vessels, bones and internal organs along the way.
For now, Scalise remains in critical condition in the hospital's intensive care unit.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/scalise-more-surgery-authorities-track-shooters-path-070849959--politics.html

Gifford took a bullet in the head and managed to return to full capacity.

[osan]

They lost me at "Human Trafficking."

Why? It's just a term.

[osan]

Gifford took a bullet in the head and managed to return to full capacity.

Agreed. She is every bit the idiot today that she was prior to taking one in the noggin.

[angelatc]

Agreed. She is every bit the idiot today that she was prior to taking one in the noggin.

Not my joke but: she's living proof you can shoot a liberal in the head and not hit anything important.

[angelatc]

Why? It's just a term.

I don't believe it's the all encompassing global crisis demanding global intervention that they keep pretending it is.

[nikcers]

Not my joke but: she's living proof you can shoot a liberal in the head and not hit anything important.

A little bird told me that the bullet hit at least whatever part of her brain that stores her email password.

[osan]

I don't believe it's the all encompassing global crisis demanding global intervention that they keep pretending it is.

Possibly, but were you being shipped off to Sudan in a steamer chest for the purposes of becoming Muhammed's boot-fuck toy, you might see it otherwise.

I do, however, agree with you that the term is grossly misused pursuant to the ends you seem to imply. But slavery, which involves "trafficking" is real and should not be dismissed just because the Weakmen of the so-called "left" so callously abuse the words, IMO. While I share your disdain for the stupidity of such dishonest and/or inept use of words, I believe it is dangerous practice to dismiss out of hand any report just because terms with such questionable reputations (or even the people) are employed. For example, I utterly despise the contemporary common use of "awesome". Catch me in the right frame and you would find me contemplating my world-class bitchslap to send such offenders bounding across Roane, Kanawha, and Nicholas counties such that they would land in the extreme south-end of Summers, just shy of Mercer. That's a hike beyond 100 miles. And yet, if I am going to be rational, I have to at least give such people benefit of doubt no matter how topsy-turvy a state in which my stomach might find itself.

[Aratus]

The shooter had a list of names on his person, they think it is a hit list with easily 10 or 12 names.
Was his intent "death by cop" or something much worse? I really do admire the two brave cops!!!

[Aratus]

From Ruby Ridge to Waco to OKC to 9/11 to O-bomb-ya
the "right" could not find a suitable John Brown.

Maybe the "left" was able to today.

Secession, now, please, for the love of Christ...

Over the past 48 to 72 hours I have been looking
at YouTubes that focus on the interface between
Presidential and Congressional Reconstruction, and
have been mulling over the idea that Ex-FBI Director
Mueller has something like the Tenure of Office Act in his favor.
I then got more depressed when learning that there
was a list of names found on the body of the shooter.
He might have been looking for wealthy Democrats, too.

[Swordsmyth]

Shots Fired at Truck Flying 'Make America Great Again' Flaghttp://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/15/shots-fired-truck-flying-make-america-great-again-flag-i-465-indiana

[Aratus]

Did Edwin Stanton, Honest Abe or VEEP Andy save our Union in 1864/65
And if so, who should we cuss out today? Keeping in mind the events of 1867,
if Trump fires Mueller, will the reaction be like Dick Nixon firing Archie Cox?

[Swordsmyth]

who should we cuss out today?
Yankees. as always.

[Aratus]

GO GO GO BOSTON RED SOX!!!!!! (Gotta luv our BoSox!) :)

[nikcers]

Hannity: Sen Paul, I'm sorry you had to live through that yesterday https://youtu.be/tzqIEPpil4w?t=35m10sHannity interview

[ChristianAnarchist]

They lost me at "Human Trafficking."


This whole "Human Trafficking" thing is blown out of proportion. Many of the numbers they are including in HT are nothing more than poor women who have to resort to prostitution in order to get by because they have been down on their luck and out of options. This is not to make light of their situation which is grave, but it's certainly not "slavery"...

[r3volution 3.0]

Yankees. as always.

Never hurts

Anyway, who if anyone did this jackass target?

Do you really think it was Rand? If so, why?

[specsaregood]

Never hurts

Anyway, who if anyone did this jackass target?

Do you really think it was Rand? If so, why?

The list is out on news sites, primarily contained names of freedom caucus members the article I read said. Randal was not on the list I read.

[Swordsmyth]

Never hurts

Anyway, who if anyone did this jackass target?

Do you really think it was Rand? If so, why?


The list is out on news sites, primarily contained names of freedom caucus members the article I read said. Randal was not on the list I read.

You don't think that they would put the REAL target on the list they "FOUND" do you.
Rand is one of their biggest real headaches.

[r3volution 3.0]

The list is out on news sites, primarily contained names of freedom caucus members the article I read said. Randal was not on the list I read.

One (1) Randal, being a Senator, is worth several FC House members.

If the bolshevik really wanted to kill pro-market reformers, sounds like he fucked up.

I hope hell exists.

[r3volution 3.0]

You don't think that they would put the REAL target on the list they "FOUND" do you.
Rand is one of their biggest real headaches.

How about that Russia sanctions vote?

Where was Lee, doesn't like basement or what?

[Swordsmyth]

How about that Russia sanctions vote?

Where was Lee, doesn't like baseball or what?

S. 722 (Countering Iran's Destabilizing Activities Act of 2017) was the overall bill passed on June 15. Rand and Sanders voted 'no'.
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00147


S.Amdt. 232 to S. 722 (Countering Iran's Destabilizing Activities Act of 2017) was an amendment on the bill which passed on June 14. Rand and Mike Lee voted 'no'.
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00144


So the final bill put sanctions on both Iran and Russia:

Mike Lee wanted sanctions on Iran but not Russia but in the final bill he ended up voting for putting sanctions on both.
Sanders wanted sanctions on Russia but not Iran but in the final bill he ended up voting against putting sanctions on both.
Rand didn't want sanctions on Russia or Iran and in the final bill he voted against putting sanctions on both.



Lee Voted for the final bill in order to sanction Iran, even if it meant hitting Russia as well.
Neither was a good idea.

[nikcers]

You don't think that they would put the REAL target on the list they "FOUND" do you.
Rand is one of their biggest real headaches.
This is my thoughts exactly-Rand has really badmouthed the Saudi's though by forcing the vote on the sale of weapons, he hasn't ever said such harsh words against them -ever. I think he see's the millions of starving people in Yemen and he doesn't approve of the arms deals.

That shooter could definitely qualify for one of those so called S.S.G's that infiltrate political movements. One could say that the Sanders movement had a lot to do with Clintons failure, I think Rand Paul would of done a lot better at getting anti war left votes and done better in the primaries if Sanders wasn't around either. The thing about Rand's Saudi vote is he forced that vote, Rand didn't force the Russia/Iran sanctions vote or anything.

[r3volution 3.0]

Lee Voted for the final bill in order to sanction Iran, even if it meant hitting Russia as well.

http://i.imgur.com/SrWlGMf.gif


Shameful

...I'm disappointed.

[nikcers]

There is a huge attempt by a certain government to make them look better to the American people because they want to do business with us, there is lots of proof that they do not like the stuff Rand has been talking about, being talked about.




Veterans Being Misled on JASTA, Says International Law Expert (https://28pages.org/2017/02/19/veterans-being-misled-on-jasta-says-international-law-expert/)
Veterans Say Organizers Concealed Saudi Sponsorship of Their Trip to DC to Lobby for Changes to 9/11 Lawsuit Legislation (https://28pages.org/2017/02/23/exclusive-veterans-say-organizers-concealed-saudi-sponsorship-of-their-trip-to-dc-to-lobby-for-changes-to-911-lawsuit-legislation/)
Meet 70 Americans Who Are Working for Saudi Arabia Against 9/11 Justice (https://28pages.org/2017/03/02/meet-70-americans-working-for-saudi-arabia-against-911-justice/)
DOJ Complaint Filed Over Saudi Lobbying Campaign That Exploited Veterans (https://28pages.org/2017/03/29/doj-complaint-filed-over-saudi-lobbying-campaign-that-exploited-military-veterans/)
Four More Vets Say They Were Tricked into Lobbying for Saudis (https://28pages.org/2017/04/03/four-more-vets-say-they-were-tricked-into-lobbying-for-saudis/)
Saudi Arabia Paid Conservative PR Firm $90,000 to Bring Vets to DC to Lobby Against JASTA (https://28pages.org/2017/04/10/saudi-arabia-paid-conservative-pr-firm-90000-to-bring-vets-to-dc-to-lobby-against-jasta/)
Capitol Media Group Didn’t Tell Vets They Were Lobbying for Saudi Arabia (https://28pages.org/2017/04/19/exclusive-capitol-media-group-didnt-tell-vets-they-were-lobbying-for-saudi-arabia/)
Consultant Used Facebook to Recruit Others to Saudi Cause, But Didn’t Disclose Kingdom’s Role (https://28pages.org/2017/05/09/consultant-used-facebook-to-recruit-others-to-saudi-cause-didnt-disclose-kingdoms-role/)

[Swordsmyth]

Congressional baseball shooting inspires bill to weaken D.C. gun rules
“The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” said Rep. Thomas Massie, chairman of the Congressional Second Amendment Caucus. (https://massie.house.gov/newsroom/press-releases/congressman-massie-introduces-the-dc-personal-protection-reciprocity-act) “To ensure public safety, we need to repeal laws that keep good guys from carrying guns.”
The bill would allow people with a valid concealed carry permit issued from their home state to carry their firearms in the District of Columbia, which currently does not recognize such permits from other jurisdictions and has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation.

More at: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/06/16/congressional-baseball-shooting-inspires-massie-bill-weaken-dc-gun-rules/102926468/

[CPUd]

This shooting was a false flag intended to restore our gun rights.

[Swordsmyth]

Steve Scalise Upgraded To ‘Serious Condition’ And Is Speaking To Familyhttps://www.yahoo.com/news/steve-scalise-upgraded-serious-condition-225754961.html

[katsung47]

VA shooter An FBI Asset - Heneghan Reports!


Jun 14, 2017


Tom Heneghan just reported to Stew Webb that James T. Hodgkinson has already been tied to FBI Division 5. There is also a Mossad overlay involved. Tom received this information from his sources in US Intelligence.


https://youtu.be/YyE0u3FReL4

[The Northbreather]

There Will be More


Police and politicians seem baffled by the growing disenchantment with their class. They seem to expect people to behave toward them with respect and deference no matter what they do –
Let us not forget the media presstitutes, propagandists and smug celebrities that are a part of this protected class......

[CPUd]

This is my thoughts exactly-Rand has really badmouthed the Saudi's though by forcing the vote on the sale of weapons, he hasn't ever said such harsh words against them -ever. I think he see's the millions of starving people in Yemen and he doesn't approve of the arms deals.

That shooter could definitely qualify for one of those so called S.S.G's that infiltrate political movements. One could say that the Sanders movement had a lot to do with Clintons failure, I think Rand Paul would of done a lot better at getting anti war left votes and done better in the primaries if Sanders wasn't around either. The thing about Rand's Saudi vote is he forced that vote, Rand didn't force the Russia/Iran sanctions vote or anything.

Rand is also famous for insisting when the "conservatives" want to prove themselves by cutting foreign aid, that they cut to all countries including Israel.

[Krugminator2]

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Just a reminder, leftists are the worst.

[Dr.No.]

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Just a reminder, leftists are the worst.

How so? No harm is being wished on Scalise. I don't know if Scalise is bigoted, but he is certainly homophobic. He wants to take away the rights of gays and lesbians, while being saved by them.

[Krugminator2]

How so? No harm is being wished on Scalise. I don't know if Scalise is bigoted, but he is certainly homophobic. He wants to take away the rights of gays and lesbians, while being saved by them.


There is no evidence that he is either bigoted or homophobic. The chair of the Congressional Black Caucus (which actually is a bigoted group) vouched for Scalise. And what "rights" is Scalise for taking away? I guess you are talking about gay marriage. So what? Scalise has the same position Barack Obama had 5 years ago. How many leftists called Barack Obama homophobic? None. Glenn Beck was thoroughly denounced and booted off the air for calling Obama racist. Obama sat in Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years. There is better case for calling Obama racist than Scalise for speaking at an event that David Duke attended 15 years ago.

[Dr.No.]

So what? Scalise has the same position Barack Obama had 5 years ago. How many leftists called Barack Obama homophobic? None.

Ah, so because "leftists" are inconsistent, you must be inconsistent? I suppose one difference would be that Obama changed his viewpoint and endorsed gay marriage (and it was pretty much figured he took the position he did because of political reasons). Scalise has yet to do that.

Also, by my recollection, there were many left-wing groups and personalities calling out Obama's homophobia. Glenn Greenwald, Dave Rubin, etc.


Glenn Beck was thoroughly denounced and booted off the air for calling Obama racist. Obama sat in Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years. There is better case for calling Obama racist than Scalise for speaking at an event that David Duke attended 15 years ago.

Are we equating Jeremiah Wright to David Duke?

You must believe that Ron Paul is a racist, then, considering his newsletters.

Lastly, I think there is a big difference in the origins of Black-White and White-Black racism. The racism Blacks show towards Whites is based on distrust and real historical grievances. As far as I know, Black "supremacy" is virtually nonexistent; Black nationalism is only slightly more present. Most of what is perceived as "racism" towards Black is Black empowerment given the long history of being completely disempowered. Or, you can see it as an identitarian group like religious or nationality-based groups.

The racism Whites have towards Blacks is almost entirely based off of supremacist and nationalist leanings. Historically, when White people have gotten too crazy about how White they are, it's resulted in genocide, slavery, horrors, etc. The idea of White empowerment is silly given the fact that Whites have generally always been in power. White identity is similarly silly since White Americans don't exactly have a shared culture and history like Black Americans (notice how nobody complains about Irish-America, German-American, groups, etc. since they actually have some shared culture).

[Ender]

Ah, so because "leftists" are inconsistent, you must be inconsistent? I suppose one difference would be that Obama changed his viewpoint and endorsed gay marriage (and it was pretty much figured he took the position he did because of political reasons). Scalise has yet to do that.

Also, by my recollection, there were many left-wing groups and personalities calling out Obama's homophobia. Glenn Greenwald, Dave Rubin, etc.



Are we equating Jeremiah Wright to David Duke?

You must believe that Ron Paul is a racist, then, considering his newsletters.

Lastly, I think there is a big difference in the origins of Black-White and White-Black racism. The racism Blacks show towards Whites is based on distrust and real historical grievances. As far as I know, Black "supremacy" is virtually nonexistent; Black nationalism is only slightly more present. Most of what is perceived as "racism" towards Black is Black empowerment given the long history of being completely disempowered. Or, you can see it as an identitarian group like religious or nationality-based groups.

The racism Whites have towards Blacks is almost entirely based off of supremacist and nationalist leanings. Historically, when White people have gotten too crazy about how White they are, it's resulted in genocide, slavery, horrors, etc. The idea of White empowerment is silly given the fact that Whites have generally always been in power. White identity is similarly silly since White Americans don't exactly have a shared culture and history like Black Americans (notice how nobody complains about Irish-America, German-American, groups, etc. since they actually have some shared culture).

The Irish were treated worse than the blacks. They were not considered white and were also hated because they were Catholics.

[Krugminator2]

Ah, so because "leftists" are inconsistent, you must be inconsistent?

Also, by my recollection, there were many left-wing groups and personalities calling out Obama's homophobia. Glenn Greenwald, Dave Rubin, etc.

I'm not inconsistent at all. Marriage isn't a right. I am for gay marriage but being against gay marriage isn't bigoted. I am pointing out that George Takei is representative of the leftist mentality. Greenwald and Rubin are not remotely representative of partisan leftists. Takei would never have such virulent hatred if Obama were in the same situation as Scalise.


Are we equating Jeremiah Wright to David Duke?

No. David Duke is clearly awful. But Jeremiah Wright is on a whole different level. And in Obama's situation where he had a close affiliation versus basically no affiliation from Scalise, Obama's involvement is infinitely worse.



You must believe that Ron Paul is a racist, then, considering his newsletters.

No. That situation is complicated. Rothbard and Rockwell wrote the newsletters and I think Ron had a tough time saying no to people.



Lastly, I think there is a big difference in the origins of Black-White and White-Black racism. The racism Blacks show towards Whites is based on distrust and real historical grievances. As far as I know, Black "supremacy" is virtually nonexistent; Black nationalism is only slightly more present. Most of what is perceived as "racism" towards Black is Black empowerment given the long history of being completely disempowered. Or, you can see it as an identitarian group like religious or nationality-based groups.



About 99.5% of time, something that black grievance mongers call racism is not racism. I don't distinguish between racism. I have no idea what disempowered or any of these buzzwords means. All that matters is equal treatment before the law. There is basically zero racism (at least in a meaningful way) in 2017 United States.

And the reality is if you want to hate someone for their political views and call names like racist or sexist or homophobic, it is very easy. Here, I'll do it. George Takei supports minimum wage laws and opposes school choice. Those views are more racist (using Takei's standard) than any views that Steve Scalise holds. Equal pay laws make pay more unequal by discouraging hiring of women. I guess anyone who supports them is sexist.

[Dr.No.]

The Irish were treated worse than the blacks. They were not considered white and were also hated because they were Catholics.


The Irish weren't slaves, man.



I'm not inconsistent at all. Marriage isn't a right. I am for gay marriage but being against gay marriage isn't bigoted. I am pointing out that George Takei is representative of the leftist mentality. Greenwald and Rubin are not remotely representative of partisan leftists. Takei would never have such virulent hatred if Obama were in the same situation as Scalise.


Cenk Uygur is a prominent leftist who criticized Obama's homophobia. Rachel Maddow is another one.


Marriage isn't a right....interesting. So government can take away someone's right to marry?



No. David Duke is clearly awful. But Jeremiah Wright is on a whole different level. And in Obama's situation where he had a close affiliation versus basically no affiliation from Scalise, Obama's involvement is infinitely worse.


What did Wright say that makes you so angry? What did he say that was so racist that he was worse than Duke? I mean, the comments that returned him so much ire are not dissimilar from Ron Paul's statements.



No. That situation is complicated. Rothbard and Rockwell wrote the newsletters and I think Ron had a tough time saying no to people.


Ron is not a racist now. But, knowing him personally, he certainly had racist and identitarian viewpoints in the past. He's grown past it and moved on.



About 99.5% of time, something that black grievance mongers call racism is not racism. I don't distinguish between racism. I have no idea what disempowered or any of these buzzwords means. All that matters is equal treatment before the law. There is basically zero racism (at least in a meaningful way) in 2017 United States.


Right. Look at the drug wars. Look at the situation in Flint. Look at the studies that look at the biases we have against Black people (https://arstechnica.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/oaktownanalysisbodycams.pdf, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20363905). Look at the disparity in judicial treatment (http://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/news/congressional-testimony-and-reports/booker-reports/2012-booker/Part_A.pdf#page=55). Hell, look at the studies on how White names get more callbacks than "Black" names (http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873.pdf).


Regarding your hand-waive of "buzzwords", you need to be able to look at things in context and nuance.



And the reality is if you want to hate someone for their political views and call names like racist or sexist or homophobic, it is very easy. Here, I'll do it.


Just because the word has been overused doesn't mean it should never be used. And while I agree that "racist" is thrown around way too liberally, and sexism fairly liberally, homophobic is often the correct word. Look at polls of American attitudes towards homosexuality. Many in Congress want to take away the rights of gays. Many politicians have said some disgusting things about the LGBT community.
What you are doing is saying that because those words can be used wrongly, they are always used wrongly. Muddying the waters…too cowardly or politically correct to call bigots what they are.



George Takei supports minimum wage laws and opposes school choice. Those views are more racist (using Takei's standard) than any views that Steve Scalise holds. Equal pay laws make pay more unequal by discouraging hiring of women. I guess anyone who supports them is sexist.


There you go, twisting yourself into knots. Take is sexist and racist because a secondary or tertiary effect of a position he holds will make life worse for woman or Blacks? Yet, Scalise directly votes to hurt women/gays and he is not sexist or homophobic? Scalie wrote the marriage protection amendment. He voted against the VAWA. He voted against anti-gay hate crimes. He voted to end birthright citizenship and is very anti-amnesty.

[Danke]

The Irish weren't slaves, man.





Cenk Uygur is a prominent leftist who criticized Obama's homophobia. Rachel Maddow is another one.


Marriage isn't a right....interesting. So government can take away someone's right to marry

Government licensed marriage is a privilege. But you have the right to contract and religious freedom to form any relationship you wish. The Government might come after you if the partner is of the opposite sex and less than a certain age though.

and yes, the Irish were slaves. Sometimes valued less than Africans and treated worse.

[ChristianAnarchist]

Government licensed marriage is a privilege. But you have the right to contract and religious freedom to form any relationship you wish. The Government might come after you if the partner is of the opposite sex and less than a certain age though.

and yes, the Irish were slaves. Sometimes valued less than Africans and treated worse.

I'm against goonerment licensed marriage of homosexuals as well as heterosexuals. The goonerment should have NO PLACE in marriage or family at all.

[Krugminator2]

Cenk Uygur is a prominent leftist who criticized Obama's homophobia. Rachel Maddow is another one.

Neither one of those people would criticize Obama as homophobic if he were fighting for his life after an assassination attempt. Cenk or one of the degenerates on his show might/would say the same thing about a Republican. I wouldn't be surprised if they said something nasty about Scalise.


Marriage isn't a right....interesting. So government can take away someone's right to marry?

Marriage is a religious institution not a right. You have the right to make contracts. Given that the situation is complicated with inheritance taxes and income taxes, I support gay marriage as a practical measure. It isn't a right.


What did Wright say that makes you so angry?

First thing that shows up on Google. Already infuriated. https://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/the-rev-jeremiah-wright-and-americas-racist-cake/Content?oid=4757457




Right. Look at the drug wars. Hell, look at the studies on how White names get more callbacks than "Black" names (http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873.pdf).


The drug war is bad and has a racial outcome. Same is true for min laws, the gov't school monopoly, and incentiving single mothers with the welfare system.

Anyone who gives their kid a made up African sounding name is a bad parent. I would prejudge someone with a name like that. I know that person came from idiot parents so they would have to overcome that and demonstrate that they are different. A person with a name like Jamelle or Ta'Nisi has the potential to be an endless problem.


Regarding your hand-waive of "buzzwords", you need to be able to look at things in context and nuance.

I don't do the whole balance of power of thing. That is something progressives do with Israel and the Palestinians. I only care about right and wrong. Asians have had no political power in the United States and have performed quite well.



There you go, twisting yourself into knots. Take is sexist and racist because a secondary or tertiary effect of a position he holds will make life worse for woman or Blacks? Yet, Scalise directly votes to hurt women/gays and he is not sexist or homophobic? Scalie wrote the marriage protection amendment. He voted against the VAWA. He voted against anti-gay hate crimes. He voted to end birthright citizenship and is very anti-amnesty.

You used drug laws in the example of racism. Min wage laws are the same issue and same economic reasoning as drug laws. If I am holding Takei to his standard, when he passes away, people should say nasty things about him wanting to price black teens out of the labor force.

Your examples of bigotry are VAWA and being against hate crime legislation? Really??!!! What libertarian would ever support either one of those? Those are lay-up issues to oppose. I would judge somebody for supporting them. I don't support birthright citizenship. It creates horrible incentives. I do support anmesty with tons of qualifiers. But a person against amnesty isn't racist. There are very good reasons to oppose it.

[Dr.No.]

Government licensed marriage is a privilege. But you have the right to contract and religious freedom to form any relationship you wish. The Government might come after you if the partner is of the opposite sex and less than a certain age though.

That's because of the whole "consenting adults" thing. Let's not obfuscate.


and yes, the Irish were slaves. Sometimes valued less than Africans and treated worse.

Do you mean "indentured servants" or do you mean slaves?

[The Northbreather]

I'm against goonerment licensed marriage of homosexuals as well as heterosexuals. The goonerment should have NO PLACE in marriage or family at all.

This^^^

Nor should they question to whom or what I leave money to whom I empower with right of attorney.

[nikcers]

That's because of the whole "consenting adults" thing. Let's not obfuscate.



Do you mean "indentured servants" or do you mean slaves?
Lets not split hairs here with the whole "consenting adults" thing- My ancestor had to remove the MC from my last name because Irish people were thought of as people of lesser value.

[Anti Federalist]

The racism Whites have towards Blacks is almost entirely based off of supremacist and nationalist leanings. Historically, when White people have gotten too crazy about how White they are, it's resulted in genocide, slavery, horrors, etc. The idea of White empowerment is silly given the fact that Whites have generally always been in power. White identity is similarly silly since White Americans don't exactly have a shared culture and history like Black Americans (notice how nobody complains about Irish-America, German-American, groups, etc. since they actually have some shared culture).

Yeah,no shared common history at all.

Won't get an argument from me about that...when white people get pushed to that crazy stupid point, yeah, you pretty much need to leave the continent.

We all know, no other ethnic groups or cultures do that.

So why are the powers that be pushing us/them into that corner?

[The Northbreather]

Lets not split hairs here with the whole "consenting adults" thing- My ancestor had to remove the MC from my last name because Irish people were thought of as people of lesser value.

Are you Duncan McKnikcers from the clan McKnikcers?

[nikcers]

Are you Duncan McKnikcers from the clan McKnikcers?
When my Ancestors came to America Mcmaster was taken, and so was Mcmaster1.

[nikcers]

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[Dr.No.]

Neither one of those people would criticize Obama as homophobic if he were fighting for his life after an assassination attempt. Cenk or one of the degenerates on his show might/would say the same thing about a Republican. I wouldn't be surprised if they said something nasty about Scalise.

Well, I don't have the counter-factual. I'm sure that both "sides" have politicized issues in the past.


Marriage is a religious institution not a right. You have the right to make contracts. Given that the situation is complicated with inheritance taxes and income taxes, I support gay marriage as a practical measure. It isn't a right.

Scalise championed and vote for state support and recognition of straight marriage but not gay marriage. He denied equal protection under the law.



First thing that shows up on Google. Already infuriated. https://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/the-rev-jeremiah-wright-and-americas-racist-cake/Content?oid=4757457

What specifically in there makes you angry? What in there makes him worse than David Duke, who's called for Black genocide and repatriation?


The drug war is bad and has a racial outcome. Same is true for min laws, the gov't school monopoly, and incentiving single mothers with the welfare system.

Except if you believe Ron Paul, the drug war had an intended racial outcome...Nixon's advisor said as much. Do you think Takei is intending sexist/racist outcomes with his proposals? Do you think Scalise somehow thinks that banning gay marriage (at the Federal level, no doubt) will somehow lead to more equality for gays?


Anyone who gives their kid a made up African sounding name is a bad parent. I would prejudge someone with a name like that.

So names like Tyrone, Jamal, Bryan...all considered "black" names and resulted in lower callbacks. There have been studies where pictures were included and there were poorer callbacks for the Black applicants.

Think about the stupidity of your statement. Why would you think that a kid with silly name had a bad parent? Why would you think that mattered? Why wouldn't you look at actual achievement vs. your biases? Hell, what if the applicant is from Africa? Wouldn't the name make complete sense in that context.


I know that person came from idiot parents so they would have to overcome that and demonstrate that they are different. A person with a name like Jamelle or Ta'Nisi has the potential to be an endless problem.

Can you explain the logic behind this? How can you be so certain of their parents' idiocy, and that it transferred on to the kid?


II only care about right and wrong.

Yet you are quite willing to use nuance (see your defense of Scalise) to defend him.


Asians have had no political power in the United States and have performed quite well.

That's true. That's because we immigrate the very best of the Asians (for the most part). They can overcome the biases against them. It doesn't hurt that they gravitate to states where the least biases will exist. For example, Asians had taken advantage of affirmative action for decades.


You used drug laws in the example of racism. Min wage laws are the same issue and same economic reasoning as drug laws. If I am holding Takei to his standard, when he passes away, people should say nasty things about him wanting to price black teens out of the labor force.

Intent vs. actual effect. Plus, the evidence of the drug war causing disproportionate problems with the Black community are well documented. I haven't seen the same studies for minimum wage laws or school choice.


Your examples of bigotry are VAWA and being against hate crime legislation? Really??!!! What libertarian would ever support either one of those?

Except Scalise isn't a libertarian; same with the vast majority of people who vote like him. The alt-righters on the internet, for example...do you think they are against the VAWA for principled reasons, or because they are genuinely sexist and want to return women to the kitchen?


I don't support birthright citizenship. It creates horrible incentives. I do support amnesty with tons of qualifiers. But a person against amnesty isn't racist. There are very good reasons to oppose it.

You can defend those positions from a non-racist viewpoint, but also from a racist viewpoint. Donald Trump, for example, opposes birthright citizenship from a racist viewpoint. When you start twisting yourself up in knots, people make the sometimes unfair, and sometimes fair, assumption that you are just trying to hide your bigotry. For example, Scalise has called himself a strict constitutionalist and voted on issues based on that way, yet, he's against birthright citizenship despite the actual contents of the fourteenth amendment. People then look at his other views and think maybe there is something....


Lets not split hairs here with the whole "consenting adults" thing- My ancestor had to remove the MC from my last name because Irish people were thought of as people of lesser value.

So having to change your name is equivalent to being slaves?

[Anti Federalist]

You can defend those positions from a non-racist viewpoint, but also from a racist viewpoint. Donald Trump, for example, opposes birthright citizenship from a racist viewpoint. When you start twisting yourself up in knots, people make the sometimes unfair, and sometimes fair, assumption that you are just trying to hide your bigotry. For example, Scalise has called himself a strict constitutionalist and voted on issues based on that way, yet, he's against birthright citizenship despite the actual contents of the fourteenth amendment. People then look at his other views and think maybe there is something....

Which is precisely why I could not possibly care less anymore about being labeled bigot, racist, homophobe, xenophobe, sexist or any other hundreds of "-ists", "-phobes" or "-isms" flying around out there these days.

I could turn myself inside out otherwise, and still be labeled and dismissed as such.

I'm going to defend me and mine, and what I think is right, and devil take the hindmost.

[Anti Federalist]

That's true. That's because we immigrate the very best of the Asians (for the most part). They can overcome the biases against them. It doesn't hurt that they gravitate to states where the least biases will exist. For example, Asians had taken advantage of affirmative action for decades.

What manner of fascist thoughtcrime is this?

Are you suggesting that the hordes of other ethnic groups we are importing are NOT the very best and brightest of their respective groups?

[specsaregood]

Which is precisely why I could not possibly care less anymore about being labeled bigot, racist, homophobe, xenophobe, sexist or any other hundreds of "-ists", "-phobes" or "-isms" flying around out there these days.

I could turn myself inside out otherwise, and still be labeled and dismissed as such.

I'm going to defend me and mine, and what I think is right, and devil take the hindmost.

Exactly. To hell with trying to make people that will always hate me for my color and gender, like me. Instead I shall fight them for every single scrap that I might have otherwise given them; because they sure aren't going to let any scraps go to me or mine if they are in charge.

[Swordsmyth]

What manner of fascist thoughtcrime is this?

Are you suggesting that the hordes of other ethnic groups we are importing are NOT the very best and brightest of their respective groups?

And what SECRET method do we use to import "the very best of the Asians"? @Dr.No.

[osan]

Course, this was, or looks like, an attack on the ruling class, which means they will hunker down behind even more security and take away more freedom from us.

This is plausible, but it will be very interesting to see how this all shakes out with Trump at the helm. This issue may, in fact, serve as a proof-of-man if it becomes center-stage in a big way. If Congress goes all überphag on us, citing "muh safety" and all, as you suggest and Trump kowtows, then I would be strongly inclined to assess him the phony the "left" claims. If he takes them to the woodshed, I would be inclined to deem him far closer to genuine to his image/word, and benevolent toward our freedoms... at least far more so than any president we have had since maybe Coolidge.

The event was pretty terrible, but I see at least the potential for something very good to come of it.

Now, if Congress decides to pass legislation permitting them to keep and bear arms in DC, which IMO would be a right more, I am wondering whether the mood of the nation is such that there would be a lot of pressure to include all Americans in that deal, which would be more right.

[osan]

You can expect a new push for gun control after this...

Perhaps, but the mood of both the nation and Congress is not likely to allow for it.

OTOH, that's never stopped Themme before, so...

[osan]

This still doesn't change my mind this isn't enough to make me not hate cops who blindly follow orders and are cowards who don't go after bad cops out of fear of others turning against them. I am glad though that Rand Paul is alive and fighting for my liberty.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdTR_pAl4Iw

Without those cops, the event would have perhaps ended far worse than it did. This is not because they were noble and brave cops, but because they were the only guys with the ability to shoot back.

I am sure there is a lesson somewhere in all this. I am equally sure a very large proportion of the Congress will fail to learn or heed it.

[osan]

SNL skits should be a hoot this week.

showing repub members getting blown away will be a real laugh riot for peeps like Griffin and Colbert...

SNL hasn't been a hoot since 1980.

[Dr.No.]

What manner of fascist thoughtcrime is this?

Are you suggesting that the hordes of other ethnic groups we are importing are NOT the very best and brightest of their respective groups?

Of course not. Asians in this country are almost entirely first-generation or second-generation immigrants. They imigrate via sponsership programs where they can find someone who will be willing to employ them in the USA. They tend to be overly educated compared to the average population of their home country; in fact, they tend to be over-educated with respect to the American population. They have the tools and ability to fight past any barriers that are put in place...on top of that, they tend to immigrate to places where those barriers will be the least.

Blacks and Hispanics don't have those advantages, and Blacks at least have stayed in areas (the South) where the highest barriers have been present.

[osan]

This place is turning in to the 1960s pretty quick

As dumb as hippies generally were, they were as rocket surgeons when compared with today's witless twinks.

[osan]

This guy today appears to be a fully functional person who made a conscious decision to engage in political assassination. This is far more dangerous.

It speaks volumes to the general state of the American polity.

Obama did his job well as the delivery system.

[BSWPaulsen]

Which is precisely why I could not possibly care less anymore about being labeled bigot, racist, homophobe, xenophobe, sexist or any other hundreds of "-ists", "-phobes" or "-isms" flying around out there these days.

I could turn myself inside out otherwise, and still be labeled and dismissed as such.

I'm going to defend me and mine, and what I think is right, and devil take the hindmost.

Amen.



Yeah,no shared common history at all.

Won't get an argument from me about that...when white people get pushed to that crazy stupid point, yeah, you pretty much need to leave the continent.

We all know, no other ethnic groups or cultures do that.

So why are the powers that be pushing us/them into that corner?

I think they are already taking their victory lap, and whether that is premature or not is another matter entirely. They presume white men no longer have the vitality to oppose the designs of others to reduce them to irrelevancy. Between the useful idiots (white men supporting the undermining of white men) and apathetic (what does it matter if whites fall from power in the countries where they constitute the majority?) their rhetoric may never be punished. The decadence currently present in western civilization is already playing a heavy role in the demographic decline of whites in general, and my opinion is the bloodletting from WWI and WWII is largely responsible. Masculine men died in extreme numbers and left the effete remains to carry on the future. Western civilization, as it exists now in those countries most affected by those two wars, is hopelessly feminine and therefore suicidal.*

*Exceptions include Poland, Russia, and other countries that are not endorsing policies that debase their existing populations. How utterly bizarre that history may be repeating itself. The Western Roman Empire collapsed, but was succeeded by the Eastern Roman Empire carrying the banner of civilization for awhile. What I cannot explain is why Russia, which was affected by both WWI and WWII has managed to maintain the masculine spirit necessary to not debase themselves by inviting their displacement. Perhaps because they never enjoyed the prosperity western countries did, and as such decadence never had the opportunity to corrupt their culture.

Any white man that isn't alarmed by the rise of rhetoric invoking "white guilt", "white privilege", and the demonization of white men is an abject idiot. If white men should fall from power, then you can be sure the minorities adhering to the venomous ideology will be looking to mete out punishment for the perceived wrongs they have suffered.

[osan]

Btw, I'm not naive enough, at this point, to think that Rand doesn't play the politics game when it suits him.

That is the behavior that leads me to question him. I understand why he did it, but still greatly prefer his father's approach. We don't need clever players, but rather a lot more Ron Pauls. That, of course, is not going to happen any time soon.

[BSWPaulsen]

Of course not. Asians in this country are almost entirely first-generation or second-generation immigrants. They imigrate via sponsership programs where they can find someone who will be willing to employ them in the USA. They tend to be overly educated compared to the average population of their home country; in fact, they tend to be over-educated with respect to the American population. They have the tools and ability to fight past any barriers that are put in place...on top of that, they tend to immigrate to places where those barriers will be the least.

Blacks and Hispanics don't have those advantages, and Blacks at least have stayed in areas (the South) where the highest barriers have been present.

There are plenty of Asians that have roots going well beyond first and second generation in this country, and they consistently perform at a high level too. This is not a mistake, it is a result of their cultural integrity.

They tend to be overly educated because their culture is better than many of the alternatives. Their cultures typically value education. It is no surprise at all that they consistently outperform whites on IQ tests, and why they can integrate themselves into western civilization successfully. They demonstrate the behaviors that successfully build civilizations, and no surprise! - Asians have consistently established very successful countries.

And then you have South America, Africa, and the Middle East. In the Middle East you have the Jews, the only group consistently performing higher than Asians in IQ tests, and unsurprisingly they possess the only country that can be considered successful in that part of the world.

Better people create better cultures, and better cultures result in successful civilizations. Successful civilizations possess cultures that routinely produce individuals of higher quality than the alternatives.

People are only equal in a purely negative sense.

Heroic are those individuals that rise above their shitty cultures and become excellent. They are heroes because they are rare. Most do not.

[osan]

Yup the right is just full of bigots the left literally wants to kill you and turn your unborn children into skin cream


MMMMmmmmm... skin cream... There can be no wrong where skin cream is concerned.

[osan]

All candidates have their idiot supporters. [/video]

I am sure that is so, but your attempt to equate the character and degree of those supporting RP with those of Sanders doesn't even rate as the lamest form of humor.

[ChristianAnarchist]

As dumb as hippies generally were, they were as rocket surgeons when compared with today's witless twinks.

"Hippies" understood how the #goonerment #goonsquad had no legitimate claim over a free man. Something that seems to have gone over the heads of the 99%...

[Krugminator2]

Think about the stupidity of your statement. Why would you think that a kid with silly name had a bad parent? Why would you think that mattered? Why wouldn't you look at actual achievement vs. your biases? Hell, what if the applicant is from Africa? Wouldn't the name make complete sense in that context.

Can you explain the logic behind this? How can you be so certain of their parents' idiocy, and that it transferred on to the kid?



An African sounding name puts a kid at a competitive disadvantage. That alone makes those parents bad parents.

That said, nobody is dumping a resume from someone with a high GPA in math, science, business or engineering regardless of their name. Kwame isn't having his resume dumped with a real background. In fact, he is getting hired at a higher rate at a higher salary than an equivalent white or Asian kid with his resume.

However, if a kid has has an African studies or sociology or gender studies degree regardless of gpa, along with a African name, that is just a problem waiting to happen. That kid is going to have a problem on the margin because an employer is going to know that kid is prone to bullshit thinking and more likely to file a discrimination lawsuit. Whereas a white kid with the psych degree on average is going to be less of a lawsuit risk and probably will get a few more opportunities.

[Anti Federalist]

Of course not. Asians in this country are almost entirely first-generation or second-generation immigrants. They imigrate via sponsership programs where they can find someone who will be willing to employ them in the USA. They tend to be overly educated compared to the average population of their home country; in fact, they tend to be over-educated with respect to the American population. They have the tools and ability to fight past any barriers that are put in place...on top of that, they tend to immigrate to places where those barriers will be the least.

Blacks and Hispanics don't have those advantages, and Blacks at least have stayed in areas (the South) where the highest barriers have been present.

So, even though you're crawfishing all over the place, your answer is yes.