MONDAY Oliver Stone/Putin Thread (Teaser - on McCain, Joining NATO?)

[goldenequity]

MONDAY Oliver Stone/Putin Thread (Teaser - on McCain, Joining NATO?)
Oliver Stone interviews MONDAY June 12-15


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyEOrfNx_E8&feature=share

[r3volution 3.0]

It was seriously proposed by many foreign policy people in the West, in the early 90s, that Russia eventually join NATO.

And why not? Germany and Japan are US allies.

But when they found the post-Soviet Russian government not quite as pliant as they'd hoped, those plans were scrapped.

And things have gradually escalated to where they are today.

[timosman]

And why not?

Russians wouldn't be so gung-ho on fighting wars. We don't like challenge. It is better to use backchannels.

[goldenequity]

a bump..
Oliver Stone interviews started yesterday MONDAY June 12-15 Showtime (4) 1hr documentary series

Colbert's bizarre interview w/ Stone... (https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/6/13/15791684/oliver-stone-colbert-interview-putin-documentary)


“Anything negative you found?” the Late Show host asked. “Anything? Or does he have your dog in a cage someplace?”

The audience laughed, but Stone decidedly did not.
“Maybe it’s because you hate Trump,” he replied, “... or don’t trust him ... Russia is convenient as an excuse for hacking the election.”

Neither the studio audience nor Colbert himself seemed to know quite what to make of this comment
from a man who spent two years corresponding with the Russian president —
which is emblematic of just how bizarre the entire interview was.




“Putin is an oppressive leader of his country who suppresses the free press and arrests his enemies,” Colbert said.
“That is not something that I as an American or a member of the press can respect. And I am surprised that you respect that.”

Stone’s reaction? “No question, he’s a social conservative in that way.”

At this point, the audience fully burst into laughter,
a fact that confused Stone enough that he said he didn’t understand why that was so funny.
And to be fair, even as Colbert cracked that it was “a mild description” of Putin’s policies,
he didn’t seem to think it was all that funny either.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6XQOD-7VhA




2 European interviews w/ Stone.
(2nd (Norway) more of a monologue actually... Stone's depth/knowledge just erupts constantly.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLEsmayK0XA


Needless to say Deepstate Media is going out of their way to shoot the messenger...
but Stone is a worthy adversary.

[goldenequity]

Robert Parry.. another of my very bestest fave writers/editorialists. :)

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Oliver Stone Undresses Putin, Shows the Man Behind the Legend (https://consortiumnews.com/2017/06/12/oliver-stone-reveals-a-vulnerable-putin/)
Robert Parry

Oliver Stone has done something remarkable, he "tricked" Putin into revealing more of himself than the Russian leader ever intended


By coming across as unthreatening and personable – almost like the TV detective Columbo – Stone strips away many of Putin’s defenses, creating a dynamic in which the Russian president struggles between his characteristic cautiousness and a willingness to be more candid.

Putin seems to like Stone while sensing that Stone is playing him. In one of the early interviews, in July 2015, Stone asks Putin about the “ambiguity” of Josef Stalin’s legacy, obviously a sensitive and complex question for a Russian who may admire Stalin’s determination during World War II but abhor Stalin’s excesses in annihilating political enemies.

“I think you are a cunning person,” Putin tells Stone.


After finishing what was meant to be the last interview (though a later one was tacked on), Putin turns to Stone and voices concern for the risks that the director is taking by undertaking this series of interviews which Putin knows – because the interviews are not openly antagonistic to Putin – will draw a hostile reaction from the mainstream U.S. media.

At that moment, the roles get reversed. Putin, the wary subject of Stone’s interviews, is being solicitous of Stone, throwing the director off-balance.

“Thank you for your time and your questions,” Putin tells Stone. “Thank you for being so thorough.” Putin then adds: “Have you ever been beaten?”

Caught off guard, Stone replies: “Beaten? Oh, yes.”

Putin: “So it’s not going to be something new, because you are going to suffer for what you are doing.”

Stone: “Oh, sure, yeah. I know but it’s worth it if it brings some more peace and cautiousness to the world.”

Putin: “Thank you.”

What the savvy Putin understands is that Stone will face recriminations in the United States for treating the Russian president with any degree of respect and empathy.

Personally, I came away from watching “The Putin Interviews” both more and less impressed with the Russian leader. What I saw was a more vulnerable personality than I had expected, but I was impressed by Putin’s grasp of global issues, including a sophisticated understanding of American power.

Putin surely does not appear to be the diabolical monster that current American propaganda presents, which may be the greatest accomplishment of Stone’s series, revealing Putin as a multi-dimensional and complex figure. You may go into the series expecting a cartoonish villain, but that is not what you’ll find.

Putin comes across as a politician and bureaucrat who found himself, somewhat unwittingly and unwillingly, thrust into a historical role at an extraordinarily challenging time for Russia.

moar (https://consortiumnews.com/2017/06/12/oliver-stone-reveals-a-vulnerable-putin/)


Personally, I came away from watching “The Putin Interviews” both more and less impressed with the Russian leader. What I saw was a more vulnerable personality than I had expected, but I was impressed by Putin’s grasp of global issues, including a sophisticated understanding of American power.

Putin surely does not appear to be the diabolical monster that current American propaganda presents, which may be the greatest accomplishment of Stone’s series, revealing Putin as a multi-dimensional and complex figure. You may go into the series expecting a cartoonish villain, but that is not what you’ll find.

Putin comes across as a politician and bureaucrat who found himself, somewhat unwittingly and unwillingly, thrust into a historical role at an extraordinarily challenging time for Russia.

[CPUd]

Are these pornographic?

[nikcers]

Are these pornographic?
I am sure someone here will accept your challenge...