Maybe Private Russian Hackers Meddled in Election, Putin Says

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/world/europe/vladimir-putin-donald-trump-hacking.html?_r=0

Calls them "Patriots".


MOSCOW — Shifting from his previous blanket denials, President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia suggested on Thursday that “patriotically minded” private Russian hackers could have been involved in cyberattacks last year that meddled in the United States presidential election.

While Mr. Putin continued to deny any state role in the hacking, his comments, made to reporters in St. Petersburg, Russia, departed from the Kremlin’s previous position: that Russia had played no role whatsoever in the hacking of the Democratic National Committee and that, after Donald J. Trump’s victory, the United States had become the victim of anti-Russia hysteria among crestfallen Democrats.

Asked about suspicions that Russia might try to interfere in the coming elections in Germany, Mr. Putin raised the possibility of attacks on foreign votes by what he portrayed as free-spirited Russian patriots. Hackers, he said, “are like artists” who choose their targets depending how they feel “when they wake up in the morning.” Any such attacks, he added, could not alter the result of elections in Europe, America or elsewhere.

Artists, he said, paint if they wake up feeling in good spirits while hackers respond if “they wake up and read that something is going on in interstate relations” that prompts them to take action. “If they are patriotically minded, they start making their contributions — which are right, from their point of view — to the fight against those who say bad things about Russia,” Mr. Putin added, apparently referring to Hillary Clinton.

The Kremlin took a dim view of Mrs. Clinton, considering her far less friendly toward Russia than a President Trump would be because of her blunt criticism of Mr. Putin and his policies in Syria and elsewhere.

Mr. Putin’s remarks stopped far short of accepting the conclusions of American intelligence agencies that the Kremlin was behind the election campaign cyberattacks. But they opened room for verbal maneuvering by Moscow — and also by Mr. Trump — amid multiple investigations in the United States into Russian meddling, including one by the F.B.I. about the firing of its director, James B. Comey.

Perhaps worried that, as the investigations make headway, evidence will come to light that the Russian state or at least Russians were clearly involved in the hacking, Mr. Putin appeared to be setting up a pre-emptive line of defense, as the Kremlin did when it became difficult to simply deny initially secret Russian deployments to Ukraine in 2014, and to Syria in late 2015.

Swamped by evidence of Russian military involvement in Ukraine and then Syria, the Kremlin retreated from categorical denials to claims that Russians fighting in eastern Ukraine were Russian “vacationers” and that burly Russians who appeared in Syria were humanitarian aid workers. It later acknowledged that the supposed aid workers were Russian soldiers.

More at link.

[timosman]

a pre-emptive line of defense

conspiracy theory?:cool:

[CPUd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNa2B5zHfbQ



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QImPqK33fU

[FSP-Rebel]

Wikileaks (above repute) said that no Russians were leaking, so take your ball and go home cheech and chong.

[CPUd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFgV_dFQmss

[Keith and stuff]

departed from the Kremlin’s previous position: that Russia had played no role whatsoever in the hacking of the Democratic National Committee and that, after Donald J. Trump’s victory, the United States had become the victim of anti-Russia hysteria among crestfallen Democrats.

It is not a shift but is the exact same position. He said then as he says now that the Russian government was not involved. This is fake news

[fedupinmo]

https://i.imgflip.com/1q76kw.jpg (https://imgflip.com/i/1q76kw)via Imgflip Meme Ge
nerator (https://imgflip.com/memegenerator)

At least we got the better end of the deal instead of screeching harpy.

[CPUd]

Putin: Russia Being Persecuted Like Jews, Megyn Kelly Needs A ‘pill’ For Her Hysteria
BY DAMIEN SHARKOV ON 6/2/17 AT 11:33 AM

While Russian President Vladimir Putin appeared in a humorous mood on his second day at St. Petersburg’s economic forum, the mood soured as questions from American journalist Megyn Kelly turned to the subject of the U.S. election and Russia’s alleged role in it.

He started his exchange with Kelly, who was moderating a panel of world leaders, cracking frequent jokes, notably remarking that with Donald Trump axing U.S. participation in the climate change deal, Russia had “American imperialism” to thank for the frosty summer in Moscow and Petersburg.

Related: PornHub posts Putin-critic’s documentary after Russian court orders it to be deleted

Putin wrapped up his initial response to Trump’s exit from the Paris agreement with the English phrase “Don’t worry, be happy.”

When Kelly asked if he would join European leaders in their condemnation of Trump’s decision on the deal, Putin forced another chuckle from the crowd when he remarked that he is not regarded as a European leader.

“In any case, they don’t think so,” Putin said, referring to the EU bloc, with which Moscow has had a frosty relationship since Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 2014.

Putin got a laugh at Kelly’s expense early on when he asked her if she had read the Paris deal herself. “She has not read it, I see,” Putin grinned at a crowd full of Russian officials laughing.

But the tone changed as Kelly’s questions turned to the thorny issue of alleged Russian interference in the U.S. presidential election. The FBI is currently investigating the claims, as well as possible collusion between Trump’s team and Russia. Putin grew more animated than usual, voicing loud denials that Russia was part of such a ploy to influence the election.

Responding to Kelly’s unrelenting line of questions about reports of Russian interference in the U.S. and European political systems, Putin reached for a controversial comparison, complaining that blaming Russians for the U.S. election had become a cliché tantamount to the anti-Semitic idea of “blaming the Jews.”

“This reminds me of anti-Semitism,” Putin said. “The Jews are to blame for everything. An idiot cannot do anything himself, so the Jews are to blame. But we know what such attitudes lead to. They end with nothing good.”

Instead, he said, Trump’s opponents had to accept the election’s result.

The tension mounted after an apparent fault in the translation track that translated Kelly’s paraphrasing of Trump’s comments that he thinks Russia conducted cyberattacks on his opponents, to Kelly saying “I think” Trump made that claim. “She thinks,” Putin exclaimed, noting the issue required certainty.

Putin was also riled when discussing Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak’s undisclosed meetings with two Trump allies—former national security adviser Mike Flynn and Attorney General Jeff Sessions. “Should we not talk about improving tensions?” Putin asked. “What should an ambassador do? That is his job. That is why he gets paid. He should hold meetings, discussing current affairs.”

Putin turned even more combative when Kelly touched on the subject of Russian foreign news coverage spreading “disinformation.” Putin accused her “colleagues” of dragging Russia into their coverage unfavorably.

“Let’s end this,” Putin told her. “You will feel better, and we will feel better.” Kelly did end her line of questioning to Putin, turning to Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi. Prompting another roar of nervous laughter from the crowd and facial histrionics from Putin, she asked if Modi could trust Putin, given his claims about the U.S. election.

As the conversation grew tenser, Kelly asked Putin about allegations that the Trump administration may have colluded with Russia and that the president sought a quick removal of sanctions on Russia. Putin declared it “amazing” that suspicion about Russian collusion persisted. Turning to the crowd, he asked “does someone have a pill,” suggesting medication was required to stop Kelly’s “hysteria.” Once again, the crowd gave the president a burst of laughter and some applause.

During the lead-up to the U.S. presidential election, Trump sparked outrage with his comments about Kelly’s moderation of a Republican candidates’ debate, saying she had “blood coming out of her wherever." Despite widespread criticism of his comments as sexist, Trump refused to apologize.

In his closing speech, Putin did not ignore the fact that this was likely the most combative most TV viewers would have seen him, possibly since the start of the Ukraine crisis in 2014. Ending with another joke, Putin noted Kelly was proof that the multipolar world had not materialized.

“The American, sits and commands all,” he said. “She has the final word.”
http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-megyn-kelly-tense-anti-semitism-hysteria-russian-election-619723

[Swordsmyth]

Putin appears to want to stir the pot, Like I said elsewhere I think he does not care who wins, just as long as there is turmoil and/or a civil war in the U.S.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

1. Fake newz

2. Fan fiction

3. Put thread in the Vent forum

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Okay, so I actually skimmed Zip's fake article. It's the usual NY Times snowflakery, with dubious and equivocal phrases/words like
"suggested," "raised the possibility," "apparently," and "appeared to be."



Putin of Russia suggested...

...Mr. Putin raised the possibility

...apparently referring to Hillary Clinton.

Mr. Putin appeared to be...


LOL!!

[Lamp]

If the Russians gave Trump the win then why is he against them now? Did they just pick the wrong guy?

[Zippyjuan]

Wikileaks (above repute) said that no Russians were leaking, so take your ball and go home cheech and chong.

Wikileaks has been very careful in what they have said. They said it was not the Russian who gave them the information. They did not say Russians did not do the hacking. They could have been Russian hacks and handed to them through a third party and still be accurate in their statements.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/05/julian-assanges-claim-that-there-was-no-russian-involvement-in-wikileaks-emails/?utm_term=.d61aabd9e587


Host Sean Hannity: “Can you say to the American people unequivocally that you did not get this information about the DNC, John Podesta’s emails — can you tell the American people 1,000 percent you did not get it from Russia . . . “
Julian Assange: “Yes.”
Hannity: “. . . or anybody associated with Russia?”
Assange: “We — we can say and we have said repeatedly . . . “
Hannity: “Right.”
Assange: “. . . over the last two months, that our source is not the Russian government and it is not a state party.”
— exchange on “Hannity” on Fox News, Jan. 3, 2017


Note the wording in the exchange. Hannity asks Assange if he can guarantee 1,000 percent that WikiLeaks “did not get it [hacked information] from Russia … or anybody associated with Russia.” Assange interjects with “yes” before Hannity finishes his question, then says that “our source is not the Russian government and it is not a state party.” His answer leaves open the possibility that the information could have come through an intermediary.


At least two independent cybersecurity firms have confirmed CrowdStrike’s findings that two Russian hacker groups had penetrated the DNC network. One group is believed to have actually stolen and distributed the emails.

[TheCount]

Comparing this to Ukraine, I guess we're at the "Russian soldiers went there to fight while on their vacation" stage.

[nikcers]

Okay, so I actually skimmed Zip's fake article. It's the usual NY Times snowflakery, with dubious and equivocal phrases/words like
"suggested," "raised the possibility," "apparently," and "appeared to be."





LOL!! where's your source ?

[nikcers]

Wikileaks (above repute) said that no Russians were leaking, so take your ball and go home cheech and chong.

Leaking info is the only way hackers could of meddled or wikilleaks is God and knows everything or at least more about private Russians and there daily activities then Putin.

[nikcers]

at the least from what I have read it seems like Putin is trying to say that we commisioned Russian hackers to hack and meddle with our election in order to frame the Russian government/Putin.

[timosman]

at the least from what I have read it seems like Putin is trying to say that we commisioned Russian hackers to hack and meddle with our election in order to frame the Russian government/Putin.

We would never do that!:eek:

[UWDude]

Zippy doesn't believe the Russians actually hacked the election. he is just mudslinging.

[CPUd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk_VszbZa_s

[Danke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDw23HOxo_U




Lol, the Zionist controlled media shitting on both Putin and Trump tells you something...that is what we call, a clue.

[goldenequity]

Putin schools Megyn Kelly on Syria, chemical weapons & terrorism


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsVM-Mf2mj4

Megyn Kelly brings out ‘fiery’ in Putin as he slams Western media coverage of Russia


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxOJkWHlwng


Putin: We don't protect Assad, we protect Syria from becoming Libya


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gr-U80t_rc

Full Coverage
The witch starts at 1:22:30 :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3OYwtFlD9Q

[goldenequity]

Putin Roasts Merkel: "Unlike Germany, Russia Enjoys the Privilege of Sovereignty."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yumaa4pkxMU

[timosman]

Putin Roasts Merkel: "Unlike Germany, Russia Enjoys the Privilege of Sovereignty."

Brutal.:cool:

Btw: India was always a Russian ally.

[nikcers]

Putin Roasts Merkel: "Unlike Germany, Russia Enjoys the Privilege of Sovereignty."
Seems like he is trying to warn Germany that taking our side isn't the smartest idea since China and India are on Russia's side, and he says that any attempt for India to join our side would be stupid and not good for its people because they would no longer be Sovereign or have the privilege of Sovereignty. It sounds like that could be a threat too, I don't know if its because I don't listen or read of a lot of what Putin says but it seems to have just as much doublespeak as an American politician. Its like the CIA and KGB go to the same spy schools or something.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

where's your source ?


Source for what?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Anyone else find it ironic that ZippyJuan is so concerned about Russian meddling when he has meddled on this site for 9 years?

[FSP-Rebel]

871045589378748416

[enhanced_deficit]

These are highly irresponsible ideas he is floating:


Putin: US hackers or CIA may have framed Russia
Jun 2, 2017
NBC's Megyn Kelly previewed Friday night her exclusive interview with Russian president Vladimir Putin, who responded to allegations of ...


Putin says hacking of Democrats may have been false flag
Daily Mail-21 hours ago





https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/world/europe/vladimir-putin-donald-trump-hacking.html?_r=0

Calls them "Patriots".


More at link.

It is amazing how GOP and Russia are almost allies against Hillary, DGP,ISIS founders etc.


Rep. Franks: If Russia hacked, it was a public service (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?506035-Rep-Franks-If-Russia-hacked-it-was-a-public-service&)

Eliza Collins , USA TODAY Dec. 29, 2016



http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/1d496db00d771312c3323eea8397e4a898e92cd8/c=0-74-4987-2892&r=x329&c=580x326/local/-/media/2016/12/29/USATODAY/USATODAY/636186188564881682-XXX-PHXDC5-6EF5ZG7HO6AISJKD4UC-ORIGINAL-62855674.JPG

Arizona Republican Rep. Trent Franks isn’t sure if Russia was behind the email hacks that roiled the election. But if they were, he says, the release of information could be considered a public service.
Rep Franks:"If Russia succeeded in giving...info that was accurate...they merely did what the media should've done" https://t.co/NSZqUJz81Q

— Frank Thorp V (@frankthorp) December 29, 2016





Related

Putin : Don't Worry, Be Happy (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?511262-Putin-Don-t-Worry-Be-Happy&)

Putin: United States Pinning Hacks on Russia Is 'Like Anti-Semitism' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?511262-Putin-Don-t-Worry-Be-Happy&)

[AZJoe]

Wikileaks has been very careful in what they have said. They said it was not the Russian who gave them the information. They did not say Russians did not do the hacking. They could have been Russian hacks and handed to them through a third party and still be accurate in their statements

Craig Murray specifically stated they were leaks, not hacks:

“Neither of [the leaks] came from the Russians. The source had legal access to the information. The documents came from inside leaks, not hacks.”

Even Obama confirmed in his final press conference that the DNC emails were leaked: “The DNC emails that were leaked (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=500&v=CiHtH0IJids)”.

The evidence and analysis overwhelmingly indicates they were leaks not hacks:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/10/russia-hack-dnc-really.html
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/11/us-insiders-not-russia-leaked-clinton-emails.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/06/why-the-dnc-emails-were-leaked-not-hacked/
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-hacking-intelligence-20170105-story.html


Further, we also know Seth Rich (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?505478-Seth-Rich-Hacked-the-DNC&highlight=seth+rich) is not Russian.