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Anti Federalist
06-01-2017, 11:34 AM
Here it comes...this is just the sort of "celebrity" nudge that will push this into the forefront.

Look for more more roadblocks, more forced blood draws, more police statism in the name of "safety".



Tiger Woods DUI: Prescription drugs are a growing threat to safety on American roads

Published: June 1, 2017 8:38 a.m. ET

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tiger-woods-dui-arrest-prescription-drugs-are-a-growing-threat-to-us-road-safety-2017-05-30

The number of drivers involved in fatal car crashes testing positive for drugs has nearly doubled in 10 years

Tiger Woods isn’t the only one driving under the influence of prescription drugs.

Woods, the former No. 1 golfer in the world, was arrested early Monday near his home on Jupiter Island, Fla., for driving under the influence. Police reportedly found him asleep at the steering wheel of a running vehicle and arrested him because of his slurred speech and for failing police-instructed roadside tasks. But his alcohol breath test was zero. In a statement late Monday, Woods said, “I take full responsibility for my actions. I want the public to know that alcohol was not involved. What happened was an unexpected reaction to prescribed medications.” Woods had back surgery last month.

Crashes involving drugged drivers have nearly doubled over the last decade. In 2015, 21% of the 32,166 fatal crashes in the U.S. involved one driver who tested positive for drugs, up from 12% of the 39,252 fatal crashes in 2005, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, according to data released last year by the government’s National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. “Use of marijuana and prescription drugs is increasingly prominent among drivers on America’s roads, which raises a new safety challenge,” the NHTSA says. “While it’s illegal across the United States to drive while drunk, the laws involving drugged driving vary across the states.”

Video footage released online showed former “Dynasty” star Linda Evans, 74, being arrested in 2014 in Washington State for a DUI after driving erratically. “Unfortunately, I believe that you are under the influence,” the police officer told the actress. She was given a ticket for DUI in the footage first released last March, but this was later amended to reckless driving. Police found 30 pink pills in her car, which Evans said she used as muscle relaxers. “It’s true I was driving while being in physical pain,” Evans told People magazine, but I was not impaired by any narcotic. I did not take any opiate or alcohol.” (Her management did not immediately reply to a request for comment.)

Marijuana is another problem for road safety. Fatal crashes involving drivers who recently used marijuana doubled in Washington State to 17% in 2014 from 8% in 2013 after the legalization of the drug there, according to a study released last year by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety. Legal limits for marijuana and driving are arbitrary and unsupported by science, “which could result in unsafe motorists going free and others being wrongfully convicted for impaired driving,” AAA spokeswoman Tamra Johnson said. Recreational sales of marijuana ballooned 80% to $1.8 billion in 2016, according to data from Marijuana Business Daily.

Another recent survey by the NHTSA found that marijuana users are more likely to be involved in accidents, which may be due to the legalization of marijuana in many states, but that the increased risk may be due in part because they are more likely to be in groups at higher risk of crashes. “In particular, marijuana users are more likely to be young men — a group already at high risk,” the study found. While fatal traffic accidents have declined gradually over the last 10 to 15 years helped by stricter laws related to drunk driving and public safety awareness campaigns, it has crept back up over the last year amid other concerns related to texting while driving.

The spike in fatalities involving drugged drivers is likely an indication of the wider problem. The rate of drug overdose deaths in the U.S. in 2015, adjusted for age, was more than 2.5 times the rate in 1999, according to recent data released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, due to a fall in the price of heroin and accessibility to prescription drugs. The rate of drug overdose deaths increased to 16.3 per 100,000 in 2015 from 6.1 per 100,000 people in 1999, an average rise of 5.5% a year. The biggest spike in fatal drug overdoses took place among Generation X and baby boomers, the CDC concluded.

Some states have created legal limits, also known as “per se limits,” which specify the maximum amount of active tetrahydrocannabinol or THC that drivers can have in their system based on a blood test. THC is the main chemical component in marijuana that can impair driver performance and affect the mind, and the presence of active THC is generally suggestive of recent marijuana use. These limits are similar in concept to the 0.08% blood alcohol limit for driving under the influence of alcohol. But DUIs do run the gamut from marijuana and alcohol to muscle relaxers and prescription pain killers, especially if it leads to impaired driving.

DUIs laws for alcohol also vary by state. Arizona is one of the strictest states for DUIs and has the longest minimum jail term (10 days) for first-time offenders, a vehicle impound and a 90-day minimum jail time for a second offense; DUI is an automatic felony with a third offense and an ignition interlock device is mandatory after one DUI conviction. South Dakota is the least strict out of all 50 states, as it has no minimum sentence for either a first or second DUI; although a third DUI is considered a felony in that state, there is no administrative license suspension, no vehicle impound, no administrative license suspension and no mandatory ignition interlock device required.

dannno
06-01-2017, 11:41 AM
Oh well, no big deal, cars will be driving themselves soon anyway.

































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Anti Federalist
06-01-2017, 11:46 AM
Stahp.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
06-01-2017, 12:03 PM
I contact every state house and senate member every time one of these road block legislative proposals comes up. I often get a decent response via email, and even have a conversation with some of the lawmakers.

I have emailed legislators several times in Oregon, Texas, Washington, New Hampshire, and Rhode Island. They tried in Texas for several years, but I have not seen anything lately. They wanted to change the constitution in Oregon. I emailed the people in New Hampshire a few years ago, but did not have a good response when they wanted to eliminate roadblocks.

I contacted Utah legislator Dave Butterfield when he proposed eliminating roadblocks in his state. I sent him a lot of research (see next post) showing how roadblocks don't work. I watched the entire house debate on the proposed law and he used some of that research. Butterfield's bill to eliminate roadblocks passed the house, but failed in the senate.

I don't think any state has proposed legislation for implementing roadblocks in the past several years, but I have not really kept up with this. Perhaps this thread will prompt me to do an update.

I would like to think that my contact with all those hundreds of legislators did some good where roadblock legislation failed, but who knows. It is worth a try, and people will listen to you. I had really extensive conversation with Butterfield, an Oregon senator who rejected roadblocks, and a few others.

tod evans
06-01-2017, 12:06 PM
Marijuana is another problem for road safety. Fatal crashes involving drivers who recently used marijuana doubled in Washington State to 17% in 2014 from 8% in 2013 after the legalization of the drug there, according to a study released last year by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety. Legal limits for marijuana and driving are arbitrary and unsupported by science, “which could result in unsafe motorists going free and others being wrongfully convicted for impaired driving,” AAA spokeswoman Tamra Johnson said. Recreational sales of marijuana ballooned 80% to $1.8 billion in 2016, according to data from Marijuana Business Daily.

Another recent survey by the NHTSA found that marijuana users are more likely to be involved in accidents, which may be due to the legalization of marijuana in many states, but that the increased risk may be due in part because they are more likely to be in groups at higher risk of crashes. “In particular, marijuana users are more likely to be young men — a group already at high risk,” the study found. While fatal traffic accidents have declined gradually over the last 10 to 15 years helped by stricter laws related to drunk driving and public safety awareness campaigns, it has crept back up over the last year amid other concerns related to texting while driving.

Bullshit!

Anti Federalist
06-01-2017, 12:08 PM
I contact every state house and senate member every time one of these road block legislative proposals comes up. I often get a decent response via email, and even have a conversation with some of the lawmakers.

I have emailed legislators several times in Oregon, Texas, New Hampshire, and Rhode Island. They tried in Texas for several years, but I have not seen anything lately. They wanted to change the constitution in Oregon. I emailed the people in New Hampshire a few years ago, but did not have a good response when they wanted to eliminate roadblocks.

I contacted Utah legislator Dave Butterfield when he proposed eliminating roadblocks in his state. I sent him a lot of research (see next post) showing how roadblocks don't work. I watched the entire house debate on the proposed law and he used some of that research. Butterfield's bill to eliminate roadblocks passed the house, but failed in the senate.

I don't think any state has proposed legislation for implementing roadblocks in the past several years, but I have not really kept up with this. Perhaps this thread will prompt me to do an update.

I would like to think that my contact with all those hundreds of legislators did some good where roadblock legislation failed, but who knows. It is worth a try, and people will listen to you. I had really extensive conversation with Butterfield, an Oregon senator who rejected roadblocks, and a few others.

Good effort.

I'm not so cynical to think that can't help.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
06-01-2017, 12:10 PM
Here is just a slice of the research showing checkpoints don't work. I know this is not ideal because it's the principle that matters, but I think principle and practicality go hand in hand. The reason we have a 4th amendment, for example, is practical common sense. I found a lot of these legislators really don't care about the 4th amendment, so you have to appeal to practicality. I often ask them if they do anything random in their day. The answer, of course, is no because your day--like life itself--has a pattern and an order. Random roadblocks defy that pattern and order.

I don't like "wikipedia" at all, but actually posted some of the research there. This is the first time I've checked it in awhile. I see people moved stuff around and maybe even deleted some things. I don't really bother with that site because it's mostly edited by retirees, the unemployed, and some self-interested parties. The quality of writing is also often very poor, but people do read it.

Anyway, here is some of that research:


There is a debate regarding whether saturation patrols or checkpoints are more effective. The FBI did a study comparing saturation patrols vs. checkpoints in Ohio, Missouri, and Tennessee. The study showed that, “[o]verall, measured in arrests per hour, a dedicated saturation patrol is the most effective method of apprehending offenders.”[24] Another survey found that "States with infrequent checkpoints claimed a lack of funding and police resources for not conducting more checkpoints." The survey found that some states "...preferred saturation patrols over checkpoints because they were more 'productive'", given that "... [a] large number of police officers [were used] at checkpoints."[25]



There is a dearth of research regarding the deterrent effect of checkpoints. The only formally documented research regarding deterrence is a survey of Maryland's "Checkpoint Strikeforce" program. The survey found no deterrent effect: "To date, there is no evidence to indicate that this campaign, which involves a number of sobriety checkpoints and media activities to promote these efforts, has had any impact on public perceptions, driver behaviors, or alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes and injuries. This conclusion is drawn after examining statistics for alcohol-related crashes, police citations for impaired driving, and public perceptions of alcohol-impaired driving risk."[21]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_checkpoint

Matt Collins
06-01-2017, 07:38 PM
I wonder if he is related to Tom Woods?

The Northbreather
06-01-2017, 08:14 PM
We need roadside DNA tests to determine a propensity for disobedience.

That way we'll all be safe.

William Tell
06-01-2017, 08:16 PM
I wonder if he is related to Tom Woods?

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Dr.3D
06-01-2017, 08:29 PM
Oh well, no big deal, cars will be driving themselves soon anyway.

































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Yeah, then they will stick a hose on the exhaust pipe and check to see if the car is operating while impaired.

mrsat_98
06-01-2017, 09:23 PM
Here it comes...this is just the sort of "celebrity" nudge that will push this into the forefront.

Look for more more roadblocks, more forced blood draws, more police statism in the name of "safety".


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Iowa
06-02-2017, 07:10 AM
It was funny when the Iowa GOP itself was warning about roadblocks. Stupid cops were sure pissed about that one!


The Iowa Republican Party, led by a former member (http://reason.com/archives/2013/01/08/ron-pauls-last-stand) of the Ron Paul campaign team in the state, is warning “constitutional activists” in the Des Moines area about “traffic safety checkpoints” scheduled there for tonight. The party posted on its website (http://www.iowagop.org/calling-all-iowa-constitutional-activists/):
Central Iowa police are planning “traffic safety checkpoints” in Polk county on Friday night. The Iowa GOP strongly urges you NOT to give in to any illegal searches of your car. Only comply by providing your license, registration and insurance if requested.

The Iowa GOP also reminds you that recording police officers, both with audio and video is completely LEGAL and has been upheld numerous times by numerous courts. Be sure to have an objective “witness” by recording your conversations with police.




The post also asks anyone who's taken video or audio of their encounter with police to send it to the party. The Des Moines Register notes (http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2013/10/04/republican-party-warns-iowans-about-police/article) Terry Branstad, the state’s Republican governor, has had multiple speeding incidents, including one that ended in the law enforcement official who called in his speeding SUV being fired (http://reason.com/blog/2013/07/18/law-enforcement-official-fired-after-cal). Branstad claimed (http://reason.com/24-7/2013/10/02/iowa-governor-says-he-wont-tolerate-his) he wouldn’t tolerate his drivers speeding, but has been following schedules that make it impossible to keep without speeding. The establishment Branstad and the Ron Paulite GOP state chairman, A.J. Spiker, have been involved in an apparent bitter war over control and direction of the party since last year's presidential primary season.



http://reason.com/blog/2013/10/04/iowa-gop-warns-residents-about-traffic-s

shakey1
06-02-2017, 07:28 AM
Good effort.

I'm not so cynical to think that can't help.

Even if it doesn't make for positive outcome, one can at least have their concerns voiced... if enough people engage their reps, change could actually be initiated.


"You know, if one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and they won't take him. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony, they may think they're both f@ggots and they won't take either of them. And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in singin' a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day, I said fifty people a day walking in singin' a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. And friends they may thinks it's a movement."

enhanced_deficit
06-02-2017, 09:25 AM
Oh well, no big deal, cars will be driving themselves soon anyway.


But you would still have to be alert to be able to run latest anti-virus update before starting a big drive.




Semi-Related

It sure looks like ESPN Photoshopped Tiger Woods' hairdo on mugshot
https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/201...photoshop-hair (https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2017/05/29/tiger-woods-mugshot-espn-photoshop-hair)

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phill4paul
06-02-2017, 07:27 PM
If it get's to th point of a forced blood draw with me then it would be one instance where an officer can claim they truly "feared for their life." That's if they survive.

Weston White
06-03-2017, 01:44 AM
So if 1/5 of the causation for annual fatalities involves impaired drivers, be it drugs or alcohol, then it would seem sober driver fatalities are still and have always been the real worry, as they account for the other 4/5 of annual fatalities.

Besides it would seem the impaired drivers has been steadily declining over the last decade: https://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/sites/rita.dot.gov.bts/files/publications/by_the_numbers/drunk_driving/index.html

Wooden Indian
06-03-2017, 11:56 AM
I contact every state house and senate member every time one of these road block legislative proposals comes up. I often get a decent response via email, and even have a conversation with some of the lawmakers.

I have emailed legislators several times in Oregon, Texas, Washington, New Hampshire, and Rhode Island. They tried in Texas for several years, but I have not seen anything lately. They wanted to change the constitution in Oregon. I emailed the people in New Hampshire a few years ago, but did not have a good response when they wanted to eliminate roadblocks.

I contacted Utah legislator Dave Butterfield when he proposed eliminating roadblocks in his state. I sent him a lot of research (see next post) showing how roadblocks don't work. I watched the entire house debate on the proposed law and he used some of that research. Butterfield's bill to eliminate roadblocks passed the house, but failed in the senate.

I don't think any state has proposed legislation for implementing roadblocks in the past several years, but I have not really kept up with this. Perhaps this thread will prompt me to do an update.

I would like to think that my contact with all those hundreds of legislators did some good where roadblock legislation failed, but who knows. It is worth a try, and people will listen to you. I had really extensive conversation with Butterfield, an Oregon senator who rejected roadblocks, and a few others.

Thank you.

You must spread some reputation around.... Can I get an assist?