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r3volution 3.0
05-18-2017, 11:28 AM
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/334077-us-forces-strike-pro-regime-military-in-syria


U.S. forces bombed a militia aligned with Syrian president Bashar Assad in southern Syria, a Pentagon official confirmed Thursday. The strike took place in At Tanf near Syria's border with Jordan and Iraq, the official said. The United States has been using the area to train its partnered local forces. The official could not immediately provide more information on the strike, including whether the strike was in defense of the partnered forces and the makeup of the militia that was struck. A statement from U.S. Central Command will come shortly, the official said.

enhanced_deficit
05-18-2017, 11:37 AM
Won't be surprised if it is wag the dog move hitting few empty runways/trees to distract media neocons attention... from the playbook of the hubby of "most qualified candidate ever (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?498510-Obama-There-has-never-been-any-man-or-woman-more-qualified-for-Presidency-than-Hillary-Clinton&)".

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/7d/1f/d2/7d1fd2f639a710e6ab4429b3c42c6ed6.jpg

Trump and Clinton used to be buyer-sold buddies before Hillary 2016 fiasco.

r3volution 3.0
05-18-2017, 11:41 AM
Won't be surprised if it is wag the dog move hitting few empty runways/trees to distract...

Following the last attack on Assad: Trump Sees Uptick In Approval Rating After Syria Airstrike. (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/20/donald-trump-sees-uptick-approval-rating-after-air/)

That said, it's also the natural continuation of Trump's inherited regime change policy in Syria.

This was going to happen anyway, and will be happening again, but I agree that the timing of this particular strike is likely political.

TheTexan
05-18-2017, 11:43 AM
Nice! I bet he got at least 30, maybe even 50

charrob
05-18-2017, 02:17 PM
Details of US attack on Syrian military in southern Syria:

The U.S. Coalition attacked a Syrian military convoy traveling through the southeastern countryside of the Homs Governorate, today, the Pentagon reported.

The Pentagon claimed a Syrian military convoy was heading towards their positions, when they decided to issue a warning; this was ignored, so the Coalition attacked the convoy.

Al-Masdar reached out to the Syrian military for details regarding today’s attack by the U.S. Coalition; so far, this is what’s known:


The U.S. Coalition warplane entered Syrian airspace from the Jordanian border.
Six military personnel were killed and another three were wounded.
A convoy of five T-62 tanks were hit by the U.S. Coalition.
Two tanks were destroyed.
A Shilka was damaged.
Convoy consisted of soldiers from the Syrian Arab Army (SAA), National Defense Forces (NDF), Hezbollah, and Imam Al-‘Ali Battalions.



https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/details-us-attack-syrian-military-southern-syria/

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-bombs-syrian-army-east-sweida-report/

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/breaking-us-coalition-air-strike-hits-pro-assad-forces-southern-syria-video/

wizardwatson
05-18-2017, 03:24 PM
So first we accidentally bomb Syrian side for an hour.
Then we bomb cuz Trump is a dupe for Al Qaeda propaganda.
Now we bomb because Syrian allies are marching down a Syrian road and we "feel threatened".

I'm losing the energy to even comment on anything anymore. Everything is so blatantly over-the-top ridiculous in nearly every context even detached sarcastic mocking seems overly redundant.

I mean what's our rationale again, just want to make sure I got it straight:

Assad is a dictator.
His use of chemical weapons created a civil war.
That civil war allows ISIS and Al Qaeda to flourish.
We need to train people covertly by sending our troops into Syria and occupying Syrian territory so that we can train some of the less "Jihadi" militants to help join the anti-Assad side of this conflict but also push back against the really bad Jihadi's.
This is all legal because 9/11 even though 16 of 19 hijackers were Saudi, and next week our President will go bow to the Saudi Kings.
If you have a problem with any of this you are a Russian spy.

CPUd
05-18-2017, 03:49 PM
So first we accidentally bomb Syrian side for an hour.
Then we bomb cuz Trump is a dupe for Al Qaeda propaganda.
Now we bomb because Syrian allies are marching down a Syrian road and we "feel threatened".

I'm losing the energy to even comment on anything anymore. Everything is so blatantly over-the-top ridiculous in nearly every context even detached sarcastic mocking seems overly redundant.

I mean what's our rationale again, just want to make sure I got it straight:

Assad is a dictator.
His use of chemical weapons created a civil war.
That civil war allows ISIS and Al Qaeda to flourish.
We need to train people covertly by sending our troops into Syria and occupying Syrian territory so that we can train some of the less "Jihadi" militants to help join the anti-Assad side of this conflict but also push back against the really bad Jihadi's.
This is all legal because 9/11 even though 16 of 19 hijackers were Saudi, and next week our President will go bow to the Saudi Kings.
If you have a problem with any of this you are a Russian spy.

Bottom line is that it costs money to store and maintain missiles and bombs, so by using them we are saving money.

klamath
05-18-2017, 03:54 PM
So first we accidentally bomb Syrian side for an hour.
Then we bomb cuz Trump is a dupe for Al Qaeda propaganda.
Now we bomb because Syrian allies are marching down a Syrian road and we "feel threatened".

I'm losing the energy to even comment on anything anymore. Everything is so blatantly over-the-top ridiculous in nearly every context even detached sarcastic mocking seems overly redundant.

I mean what's our rationale again, just want to make sure I got it straight:

Assad is a dictator.
His use of chemical weapons created a civil war.
That civil war allows ISIS and Al Qaeda to flourish.
We need to train people covertly by sending our troops into Syria and occupying Syrian territory so that we can train some of the less "Jihadi" militants to help join the anti-Assad side of this conflict but also push back against the really bad Jihadi's.
This is all legal because 9/11 even though 16 of 19 hijackers were Saudi, and next week our President will go bow to the Saudi Kings.
If you have a problem with any of this you are a Russian spy. But I am done with Amish because he doesn't like Trump.

otherone
05-18-2017, 03:56 PM
Bottom line is that it costs money to store and maintain missiles and bombs, so by using them we are saving money.

Bombs are consumable goods. Like Snickers bars. Commie.

juleswin
05-18-2017, 04:10 PM
That is anti establishment Trump for you, just look at him going after the deep state and siding with Russia by bombing their ally. I wonder if idiot Amash would now rethink his impeachment call.

I hope he wins his fight with the deep state :rolleyes:

merkelstan
05-18-2017, 04:28 PM
"Keep Syria bleeding, that will suffice."

merkelstan
05-18-2017, 05:05 PM
So first we accidentally bomb Syrian side for an hour.
Then we bomb cuz Trump is a dupe for Al Qaeda propaganda.
Now we bomb because Syrian allies are marching down a Syrian road and we "feel threatened".

I'm losing the energy to even comment on anything anymore. Everything is so blatantly over-the-top ridiculous in nearly every context even detached sarcastic mocking seems overly redundant.

I mean what's our rationale again, just want to make sure I got it straight:

Assad is a dictator.
His use of chemical weapons created a civil war.
That civil war allows ISIS and Al Qaeda to flourish.
We need to train people covertly by sending our troops into Syria and occupying Syrian territory so that we can train some of the less "Jihadi" militants to help join the anti-Assad side of this conflict but also push back against the really bad Jihadi's.
This is all legal because 9/11 even though 16 of 19 hijackers were Saudi, and next week our President will go bow to the Saudi Kings.
If you have a problem with any of this you are a Russian spy.

Some people out there are telling the truth: "We just want to bleed Syria"

charrob
05-18-2017, 05:16 PM
US Warplanes Attack Pro-Assad Forces in Southern Syria

Accuses Forces of Getting Within 55 km (34 miles) of US Training Base

US warplanes attacked a vehicle convoy in what they are describing as a “deescalation zone” near al-Tanf, identifying the targets are Pro-Assad forces, and destroying multiple vehicles. Casualty figures are as of yet unknown, and the US is claiming the attack was “defensive in nature.”

A number of questions are unclear, as the US is identifying the targets as “Assad forces” or “regime vehicles,” but some media reports identify them as simply Shi’ite militias. The deescalation zone appears to refer to the southern safe zone in Syria, around Daraa.

That’s confusing, however, because Pentagon officials also claim the targeted forces were within 55km (34 miles) of a “US training base” at al-Tanf, where US ground troops are stationed, and the Daraa safe zone appears farther away from the area that base is in.

The US described the base as housing special forces training rebels to fight against the Assad government. The Tanf base has also been a target of ISIS in recent weeks. They are insisting the presence of those special forces justified the attack on the convoy, insisting it was purely defensive and does not mark a change in US policy.

US officials also appear confused about the timing of the attack, claiming they warned Russia that the convoy was inside the safe zone and gave Russia time to try to get in contact with them, which other officials presented the “warning” as a military show of force, sending warplanes to “buzz” the convoy a couple of times then attacking when they didn’t turn around.



http://news.antiwar.com/2017/05/18/us-warplanes-attack-pro-assad-forces-in-southern-syria/

William Tell
05-18-2017, 05:33 PM
More intervention from the current DGP. No change no surprise.

dannno
05-18-2017, 05:54 PM
Conflicting reports on whether these bombings were authorized by Trump (they are supposed to be) or whether McMaster went around him.

CPUd
05-18-2017, 06:16 PM
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https://twitter.com/airwars/status/865162578523238400

r3volution 3.0
05-18-2017, 06:27 PM
Conflicting reports on whether these bombings were authorized by Trump (they are supposed to be) or whether McMaster went around him.

If McMaster went around Trump, and Trump didn't raise a peep of objection, does it matter?

Would Trump be any less responsible?

nikcers
05-18-2017, 07:41 PM
If McMaster went around Trump, and Trump didn't raise a peep of objection, does it matter?

Would Trump be any less responsible?
Trump didn't shit the bed his dumbass cuck supporters did when they supported the guy who said he would of ran third party in 2011 if Ron Paul was the Republican nominee and supported Mitt Romney when Mitt Romney was the nominee, and said that a vote for Ron Paul in the Iowa caucus was a wasted vote? What do you think would of happened if Ron Paul handedly won Iowa, I'll give you a hint he would of won NH.

r3volution 3.0
05-18-2017, 07:49 PM
Trump didn't shit the bed his dumbass cuck supporters did when they supported the guy who said he would of ran third party in 2011 if Ron Paul was the Republican nominee and supported Mitt Romney when Mitt Romney was the nominee, and said that a vote for Ron Paul in the Iowa caucus was a wasted vote? What do you think would of happened if Ron Paul handedly won Iowa, I'll give you a hint he would of won NH.

Agreed

They don't get it yet though (many never will, I'm sorry to say).

twomp
05-18-2017, 07:53 PM
Conflicting reports on whether these bombings were authorized by Trump (they are supposed to be) or whether McMaster went around him.

Don't forget Ivanka and Jared. It could have been them too.

twomp
05-18-2017, 07:54 PM
If McMaster went around Trump, and Trump didn't raise a peep of objection, does it matter?

Would Trump be any less responsible?

Yes, because there is good chance that Trump doesn't know that this happened and will probably never know.

nikcers
05-18-2017, 07:55 PM
Agreed

They don't get it yet though (many never will, I'm sorry to say).
Yeah even though Trump was cool with the NEVERRONPAUL neocons and brought them with him to his cabinet. I am confident if Rand Paul wasn't there John Bolton would be the secretary of state. He definitely wasn't shy about keeping Reince Priebus around.

Brian4Liberty
05-18-2017, 08:02 PM
http://news.antiwar.com/2017/05/18/us-warplanes-attack-pro-assad-forces-in-southern-syria/

Standard leftist procedure. "Safe zones" are now actually military training camps.

charrob
05-18-2017, 08:47 PM
Standard leftist procedure. "Safe zones" are now actually military training camps.


I put into google maps for directions from Tanf, Syria to Daraa, Syria: by land it takes 4 hours and 45 minutes. How can the U.S. Pentagon argue that a town 4 hours and 45 minutes away from a declared safe zone in Daraa was even part of that safe zone? The Syrians purposely did not include Tanf, Syria as part of the safe zone because they want to re-implement the Damascus to Baghdad highway which goes right through Tanf, Syria which is near the Syrian/Iraqi border. And members of the Popular Mobilization Forces, which is sponsored by the Iraqi government and has fought in Mosul, also want that connection between the two countries because they feel an alliance with the Assad government. And you are right, Hillary and Obama safe zones were always about using these areas as military training camps. But my understanding is that the town of Tanf in Syria was never even included in the safe zones agreement. There is so much propaganda being spewed right now by our government and the prostitutes in the U.S. media it is difficult to figure out what they are saying and why they are saying it.




http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag411/carol_green2/My%20Public%20Album/Politics%20--Public%20Album/War/de-escalation%20zones_zpssizg1k27.jpg (http://s1374.photobucket.com/user/carol_green2/media/My%20Public%20Album/Politics%20--Public%20Album/War/de-escalation%20zones_zpssizg1k27.jpg.html)

charrob
05-18-2017, 08:51 PM
Syrian Army reinforcements pour into the Syrian desert despite US airstrikes:


On Thursday evening, the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) sent over a dozen technicals to the Damascus-Baghdad highway to reinforce contingents bombed by the United States Air Force earlier in the day.

The newly arrived SAA reinforcements will spearhead a drive towards the Al-Tanf border crossing with Iraq alongside the National Defence Forces (NDF), Hezbollah (Lebanese paramilitary), Imam Al-Ali Battalions (Iraqi paramilitary) and the Syrian Social Nationalist Party (Syrian paramilitary).

However, government forces must stiffen their salient east of Damascus and deploy anti-aircraft units if they are to avoid renewed attacks from US jets and US-trained Free Syrian Army proxies lurking in the vast Syrian desert.

Meanwhile, SAA units are also advancing against FSA rebels in eastern Sweida, capturing a large swath of rural territory on Thursday.

Over 100 SAA soldiers have been killed by US airstrikes, mostly at Deir Ezzor, over the 12 months. Nevertheless, the SAA is yet to conduct a single direct hostility against US troops whom are present in both northern and southern Syria despite vocal objections from Damascus.



https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/pictures-syrian-army-reinforcements-pour-syrian-desert-despite-us-airstrikes/

Brian4Liberty
05-18-2017, 09:37 PM
But I am done with Amish because he doesn't like Trump.

You need to quit picking on the Amish. They are relatively peaceful. Now the Catholics with their globalist social justice communist Pope on the other hand... :eek: :D

UWDude
05-18-2017, 10:07 PM
Is Trump going to give another bull-ish speech about beautiful babies?
What is his justification going to be this time?

r3volution 3.0
05-18-2017, 10:47 PM
Yes, because there is good chance that Trump doesn't know that this happened and will probably never know.

LOL, that may well be true (at least that he wouldn't know the details), but that's still no excuse.

CPUd
05-19-2017, 12:42 AM
http://i.imgur.com/yZcQYGu.jpg

Origanalist
05-19-2017, 07:31 AM
So is this a good intervention or a bad intervention r3v?

goldenequity
05-19-2017, 08:12 AM
Lavrov: I\'m not aware that U.S. warned Russia of strike on govt forces in southern Syria

16:00
LAVROV: CURRENT U.S. POSITION ON SYRIA GIVES ENCOURAGEMENT TO TERRORISTS

16:00
U.S. STRIKE ON SYRIA GOVT FORCES SHOWS DESIRE TO TAKE THE HEAT OFF JABHAT AL-NUSRA, SET IT TO START FIGHTING DAMASCUS - LAVROV

H. E. Panqui
05-19-2017, 09:54 AM
Don't forget Ivanka and Jared. It could have been them too.

...you beat me to it!...

....it's just the same old same old...in my community the same republican idiots who sported the dole, bush, mccain and romney yard signs are now apologizing and cheerleading for stinking trump...

timosman
05-19-2017, 11:13 AM
http://i.imgur.com/yZcQYGu.jpg

Why not quote from the source? Trouble at Shill Central?

http://www.inherentresolve.mil/News/News-Releases/Article/1186578/coalition-statement-on-at-tanf-garrison/


Coalition statement on At Tanf garrison
By CJTF-OIR | May 18, 2017

SOUTHWEST ASIA – The coalition struck pro-regime forces that were advancing well inside an established de-confliction zone northwest of At Tanf, Syria, May 18, and that posed a threat to U.S. and partner forces at At Tanf.

This action was taken after apparent Russian attempts to dissuade Syrian pro-regime movement south towards At Tanf were unsuccessful, a coalition aircraft show of force, and the firing of warning shots. Coalition forces have been operating in the At Tanf area for many months training and advising vetted partner forces engaged in the fight against ISIS.

The agreed upon de-confliction zone agreement remains in effect.

randbot16
05-19-2017, 01:36 PM
I like how the MSM now refers to the Syrian Military as "Pro-regime forces", as if that somehow makes our unconstitutional war with Syria less unconstitutional... What if China or Russia decided to start bombing our military bases in the US and referred to our troops as "Pro-trump regime forces"? I suppose the world would stand by and let it happen, be happy even, since Trump is a dictator like all other dictators?

:confused:

timosman
05-19-2017, 01:41 PM
I like how the MSM now refers to the Syrian Military as "Pro-regime forces", as if that somehow makes our unconstitutional war with Syria less unconstitutional... What if China or Russia decided to start bombing our military bases in the US and referred to our troops as "Pro-trump regime forces"? I suppose the world would stand by and let it happen, be happy even, since Trump is a dictator like all other dictators?

:confused:

I am appalled at your lack of understanding of the world of international politics.:rolleyes:

klamath
05-19-2017, 01:43 PM
If McMaster went around Trump, and Trump didn't raise a peep of objection, does it matter?

Would Trump be any less responsible?Don't you know Bush wasn't responsible for Iraq or the stan.... Chaney Romsfield did it. ttBush ran on a much more non interventionist FB than trump......Bush was great..... we should reelect bush:rolleyes:

TheCount
05-19-2017, 02:48 PM
Don't you know Bush wasn't responsible for Iraq or the stan.... Chaney Romsfield did it. ttBush ran on a much more non interventionist FB than trump......Bush was great..... we should reelect bush:rolleyes:FDR was also a freedom-loving MAGA hero but was stopped from turning the country into a paradise by deep state intervention.

ExPatPaki
05-19-2017, 03:45 PM
Lavrov: I\'m not aware that U.S. warned Russia of strike on govt forces in southern Syria

16:00
LAVROV: CURRENT U.S. POSITION ON SYRIA GIVES ENCOURAGEMENT TO TERRORISTS

16:00
U.S. STRIKE ON SYRIA GOVT FORCES SHOWS DESIRE TO TAKE THE HEAT OFF JABHAT AL-NUSRA, SET IT TO START FIGHTING DAMASCUS - LAVROV

Thank you for your Syria updates.

I probably should not share this on a public forum, but I do have a relative who is fighting for a 'pro-Assad militia' in Syria. He was recruited from Shia mosque in Pakistan. According to his Iranian handler, who keeps contact with his family in Karachi, he is still safe, but wasn't too far away from this site.

Personally I think my relative is dumb, but hey, he wants to be martyr, so let him be.

Related to this recent attack, a post by the Syrian Arab Army's FB page:

Being a military-oriented page we distant our posts from all politics, but we are compelled to make an exception this time.
The US and UK present in Syria is highly illegal, by international law and even by the laws of these countries.
The US cannot initiate a war without congress approval unless the National Security of the United States was directly and/or indirectly at threat, also if an American was harmed directly and/or indirectly, then the US can initiate a full scale war without a per-approval from the congress.
Do you see where we are going with this? These provocation are not intended to deter the Syrian Army from reaching the borders because they can't do that without a full scale intervention, they know their mercenaries are incapable of such a thing even with their help so hey are trying to get the pretext to further increase their presence, they are trying to legalize their ground and air activity by creating a loop not on international law because they don't care about international law, but a loop on their own laws. Because after the Iraq invasion and the situation created by the illegal action taken back then, no US president is willing to initiate another baseless full scale war, and again, baseless not in regard of international law yet in regard of their own laws.
So with that in the picture, and that is a fraction of the whole picture, those expecting an in-calulated reaction by the Syrian command and/or its allies, should know why Syria is playing its cards very calmly and in a very calculated way.
We cannot disclose what comes next, but a formation of Syrian troops is ~15km from al-Tanaf, keeping in mind that the aggression yesterday took place ~20km away; meaning the aggression was to create a pretext and failed dramatically and wasn't to deter SAA's and its allies advancement.
Not every loud statement is a true statement, but almost every silent move is a valid one.
This will be our last post regarding that issue unless something major happens, we believe we proved our argument and there are no more points to talk about, we will resume our normal posting.

goldenequity
05-19-2017, 05:50 PM
Thank you for your Syria updates.

I probably should not share this on a public forum, but I do have a relative who is fighting for a 'pro-Assad militia' in Syria. He was recruited from Shia mosque in Pakistan. According to his Iranian handler, who keeps contact with his family in Karachi, he is still safe, but wasn't too far away from this site.

Personally I think my relative is dumb, but hey, he wants to be martyr, so let him be.

Related to this recent attack, a post by the Syrian Arab Army's FB page:

Good post/feedback on the al Tanaf border point... important to seal this smuggle route off.
Your relative will not run out of 'cause' to fight..
as the next hotspot heating up is in his own backyard
Iranian Sistan and Baluchestan Province (insurrection funded by Qatar/Saudi against Iran directly...
Don't be surprised to see the new Salafist 'NATO' create a pretext for staging forces & hardware.)

MiddleEastEye
Army of Justice training camps in #Baluchestan & preparations for the upcoming operations against the Iranian occupation / #Iran .

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DALTowlUAAEBQq1.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DALTqtvUwAAL0vK.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DALTr4OU0AEMJSl.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DALTuHiUwAE6SVZ.jpg:large

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/IranSistanBaluchistan-SVG.svg/250px-IranSistanBaluchistan-SVG.svg.png http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Maps/sistan_va_baluchestan.jpg

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Trump's Saudi 'visit' is all about a demonstration of solidarity against Iran.

US President Donald Trump has headed to Saudi Arabia on his first foreign trip, which is chiefly aimed at forming a united front against Iran. (http://217.218.67.231/Detail/2017/05/19/522514/US-Trump-Saudi-Israel-Palestine-Vatican)

merkelstan
05-19-2017, 06:42 PM
It's always cool to read from people who know what they're talking about. Thanks. It's too much detail for me.

goldenequity
05-20-2017, 08:52 AM
Mad Dog, Dunford & McGurk held a presser on Friday as POTUS/FLOTUS departed for Riyadh.
I would draw attention to Q&A starting at 18:19


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmeWUtj-7H8

Back to back questions trying to get Mad Dog to face the ultimate question:
Assad (& Russia) are coming... to Deir Ezzor/South Syria as we speak...
Whatchagonna do when they come for you (& yer mercs..)
bad boyz bad boyz.

Dunford keeps 'hammering' on the word 'de-conflict'..
that's simply code talk to FREEZE the conflict(s).
Same as it ever was for the UN/NWO/Hegemon recipe for world conquest/destabilization.
They wanted to 'freeze' Aleppo too.
Didn't happen... and won't happen.
Assad absolutely determined to TAKE BACK EVERY INCH of Syria...
NO 'UN administered Safe Zones' will be tolerated.

That's the issue that this presser is dancing around.
It's the ONLY question that really matters...
and LEGALLY... the Pentagon doesn't have a leg to stand on...
they invaded. They must go.

There really is no 'grass roots' constituency 'supporting the rebels' in Syria... it's a complete fiction.
There is no 'Civil War'... It is really this simple:
Lavrov: US is using terrorists to fight Syrian government (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-using-terrorists-fight-syrian-government-lavrov/)

https://www.almasdarnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Sergei-Lavrov-014-696x418.jpg

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Ha... just in time for Trump's Salafist group hug in KSA!

IMPORTANT
Iraq Counter Terrorism captured a HUGE ISIS weapons storage in west Mosul,
all the weapons boxes were from #Saudi Arabia. :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DALwZgkUAAEJJ-Z.jpg

Art of the Deal!
►BREAKING: United States and Saudi Arabia agree on arms deal worth $350 billion over next ten years

http://img0.utuku.china.com/1000x0/mili/20170206/097b2dff-2a00-4ad9-ba42-2bce15a7fcbc.jpg

ExPatPaki
05-20-2017, 06:43 PM
Good post/feedback on the al Tanaf border point... important to seal this smuggle route off.
Your relative will not run out of 'cause' to fight..
as the next hotspot heating up is in his own backyard
Iranian Sistan and Baluchestan Province (insurrection funded by Qatar/Saudi against Iran directly...
Don't be surprised to see the new Salafist 'NATO' create a pretext for staging forces & hardware.)


This is rather interesting to note since ISI might also be involved with training such groups, though nothing is confirmed there. However, Pakistan seems to be doing this geopolitical dance between Saudi and Iran. Pakistan goes out of its way to assuage Iran when it comes to increasing Saudi-Pakistan ties. Pakistan also wants to do more trade with Iran. So it's all confusing but probably part of a bigger picture. Pakistan shares cultural and linguistic ties with Iran, but is a majority Sunni country with a significant Shia minority. A sectarian war in Pakistan would be devastating and NATO/Saudi funding of Wahabi/Salafi groups in Iran's Sistan-Baluchistan could spark it. But then again, that Baluch area which straddles both Pakistan and Iran has always been a hot spot and Saudi/Qatar funding of groups is nothing new. How it goes from here will be interesting to see.

Pakistan's Baluchistan has always had a secessionist movement from the 1960s which was probably more leftist than right wing religious extremist. Baluchistan is also central to long-term Chinese investment in Pakistan worth over $50 billion dollars which only keeps going up.

Any insurrection on the Iran side will destabilize the Pakistan side, there is no way to avoid that. Any terrorists will flow into Pakistan. China will not be happy about this. Pakistan will be put in a difficult spot with pressure from both Iran and China. Iran itself would react harshly, even sending troops into Pakistan after the terrorists. (Iran has already threatened to do this after 10 of its border guards were killed by terrorists who went back to Pakistan)

Now, back on to the subject regarding my relative. This is all very surprising and I still don't believe it entirely. I was a bit stoned when I first heard it, so I was extremely paranoid that the NSA had found this out and now thugs would be storming into my house. But since nothing has happened of the sort, I feel a bit more comfortable in sharing. I haven't told this to anyone but this forum is a good outlet for it. I don't talk much to my family in Pakistan and only do so if there is an emergency, death, etc. The most recent update I got was that my relative is back in Damascus and he's safe there for now.

There were some media reports last year, regarding Iran recruiting Pakistan and Afghan Shias. I dismissed it as anti-Iranian propaganda since the main source for it was neo-con group WINEP. However, now I have more information. The western media story said that Pakistan/Afghan Shias who were fighting but at the same time it said they were also guarding the 'Bibi Zaynab Shrine' in Damascus. Zaynab being a grand-daughter of the Prophet Muhammad, daughter of Imam Ali and sister of Imam Hussain (two highly revered male figures in Shia Islam, with Zaynab being the 2nd most highly revered female figure). The Shias love their shrines and they are willing to die for them.

That much is true, Pakistani/Afghan Shias are in Syria to guard shrines. That's pretty much it and they do very little fighting. My relative who has studied martial arts seemed to be impressive to the Iranians who then had him actually go to the front lines.

The Iranians also don't have to actively recruit in Pakistan or anywhere else. The Pakistani Shias seek them out. Iranian diplomats/agents are everywhere in Pakistan, they go to the mosques, make themselves known, but never offer anything. Young and possibly dumb Shias offer their services. Most are rejected, and very few are taken. As far as I know, Iran and Hezbollah have no shortage of volunteers willing to be martyrs from all over Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, and of course Pakistan. That's why most are either rejected, or sent to guard shrines.

What's also interesting is that Pakistan is silent on the matter of Iran recruiting. But there is also Saudi recruiting Sunnis, Pakistan is silent there on that too. Pakistan seems to be stuck between all the regional players: US, Iran, China, Saudi, Afghan govt, Taliban, and now Russia. For example, Pakistan actively supports the Taliban since it is a significant force and is a useful asset. In matters of geopolitical interest Pakistan was correct to disobey US demands to end its relationship with the Taliban since that group will now be useful to fight ISIS in Afghanistan and also act as buffer against ISIS from infiltrating deep into Pakistan. It is impressive that Pakistan maintains some amount relations with all players and has so far been immune to India's efforts to isolate it.

What would also be interesting is Israel's role in this since Iran is the main target. Saudi and Israel are seemingly getting closer due to their shared hatred of Iran and they also share the same values as both countries are pedophile central.

susano
05-20-2017, 10:02 PM
But I am done with Amish because he doesn't like Trump.

Why can't you be honest?

A House Republican is calling for an independent commission to examine Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election after President Trump’s bombshell decision to fire FBI Director James Comey on Tuesday.

Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.), a member of the conservative House Freedom Caucus, said on Twitter that he is “reviewing legislation to establish an independent commission on Russia.”

If Amash wants to look at independent commissions, hold investigations and raise some hell about attacking the very people fighting these jihadi freaks - the sovereign nation of Syria and their allies, including Russia -, then I'd be right there. But no, he's playing with a lie created by the Clinton campaign.

r3volution 3.0
05-20-2017, 10:10 PM
http://img0.utuku.china.com/1000x0/mili/20170206/097b2dff-2a00-4ad9-ba42-2bce15a7fcbc.jpg

LOL

Guns R Skeerry...

susano
05-20-2017, 10:17 PM
Lavrov: I\'m not aware that U.S. warned Russia of strike on govt forces in southern Syria

16:00
LAVROV: CURRENT U.S. POSITION ON SYRIA GIVES ENCOURAGEMENT TO TERRORISTS

16:00
U.S. STRIKE ON SYRIA GOVT FORCES SHOWS DESIRE TO TAKE THE HEAT OFF JABHAT AL-NUSRA, SET IT TO START FIGHTING DAMASCUS - LAVROV

I'm a big fan of Lavrov. He is an amazing diplomat and no bullshit, like Putin. I don't know how he doesn't tear out what hair he has left after dealing with the demonic liars in the US and EU. Years of this crap, one administration after another. Same Zionazi Synagogue of Satan foreign policy. It's impossible to believe ANYTHING coming out of the US or EU governments. How does one deal with such abject non stop evil? It really is like having to conduct diplomacy with Satan himself.

r3volution 3.0
05-20-2017, 10:20 PM
Is anyone actually afraid of these characters?

...it's sad.

susano
05-20-2017, 10:24 PM
Conflicting reports on whether these bombings were authorized by Trump (they are supposed to be) or whether McMaster went around him.

I recall reading or hearing that Trump gave the generals or Pentagon or some such, broad authority to act on their own.

Swordsmyth
05-20-2017, 10:28 PM
I recall reading or hearing that Trump gave the generals or Pentagon or some such, broad authority to act on their own.


Let's see if he retracts it.

r3volution 3.0
05-20-2017, 10:34 PM
Let's see if he retracts it.

Bit late for that (already bombed a sovereign state, allied with Russia).

Swordsmyth
05-20-2017, 10:44 PM
Bit late for that (already bombed a sovereign state, allied with Russia).

Better late than never. At least it would show a capacity to learn.

r3volution 3.0
05-20-2017, 10:50 PM
Better late than never. At least it would show a capacity to learn.

Ok Candide

susano
05-20-2017, 11:14 PM
I like how the MSM now refers to the Syrian Military as "Pro-regime forces", as if that somehow makes our unconstitutional war with Syria less unconstitutional... What if China or Russia decided to start bombing our military bases in the US and referred to our troops as "Pro-trump regime forces"? I suppose the world would stand by and let it happen, be happy even, since Trump is a dictator like all other dictators?

:confused:

Those word games, part of propaganda/mind control, really piss me off. A previous one they used during the liberation of Aleppo was to describe it as "fallen" to government forces. Obviously, the game with that was to adjust the mush brains of the average Guardian reader into thinking the sovereign nation is invading it's own cities.

Bashar al-Assad's forces are taking back Aleppo — and slaughtering ...
https://www.vox.com/world/2016/12/13/13936350/aleppo-assad-retake
Dec 14, 2016 - Aleppo is falling. Syrian regime forces, backed by Iran and Russian airstrikes, are on the verge of retaking the final remnants of the rebel-held ...

After Aleppo's Fall, What's Next in Syria's War: QuickTake Q&A ...
https://www.bloomberg.com/.../with-aleppo-falling-what-happens-next-in-syria-s-civil...
Dec 13, 2016 - After Aleppo's Fall, What's Next in Syria's War:

Aleppo falls apart: Assad's forces advance into eastern Aleppo | The ...
www.economist.com/.../21711050-rebels-face-collapse-their-last-big-urban-stronghol...
Dec 1, 2016 - The breakthrough came two weeks after pro-regime forces launched ... of at least a third of the city's east, the fall of Aleppo looks almost certain.

Aleppo Has fallen: But The Conflict Is Far From Over (pt.1) | HuffPost
www.huffingtonpost.com/.../aleppo-has-fallen-but-the-conflict-is-far-from-over_us_5...
Dec 20, 2016 - The fall of Aleppo represents the regime of Bashar al-Assad's most ...

Fuckers. I would really enjoy seeing these media whores lined up and shot.

Swordsmyth
05-20-2017, 11:49 PM
Ok Candide

I didn't say it was likely, I said let's see, the implication being I doubt it.

ExPatPaki
05-20-2017, 11:58 PM
Is anyone actually afraid of these characters?

...it's sad.

The insecurity of the Saudi mind is baffling. They are known to be cowards amongst Pakistani military circles. Unfortunately, Pakistan is in ways a vassal state of the Saudi royals and therefore the Pakistani soldiers have to do 'military exercises' with these baboons. Their laziness and cowardliness is discussed immensely in private. However, I think the Pakistan goal is to milk the Saudi royals for what its worth. Of course there are costs to Pakistan as a result, namely sectarian warfare.

No amount of US military deals will make the Saudis feel secure against an imaginary Iranian threat.

susano
05-21-2017, 12:34 AM
ExPatPaki & Goldenequity - you guys are making some really great posts. Thank you both.

Until the war in Syria started, I never had any idea how incredibly complicated the mid east-Asia is. There are so many factions, alliances, shifting alliances, tribal conflicts, ethnicities, etc. It can be very hard to follow.

On another forum I shared several PMs with a Kurd woman who lives in Atlanta. They're another group(s) who have confused me. She was from Iranian Kurdistan, hated the Iranians as well as Arabs and was an atheist. She schooled me on Islamization equaling Arabization and how that has subjugated all of these tribes and cultures who are not Arab but were conquered with most being converted to Islam. She was sympathetic to the Taliban for some anti Iranian reason but it was so complicated that I never got a clear picture of it all.

The idea of that whole region blowing up even more is a horrifying thought. It seems no matter what, we never get away from this damn AngloZionist driven madness.

goldenequity
05-21-2017, 09:09 AM
=======
Trump's Saudi 'visit' is all about a demonstration of solidarity against Iran.

US President Donald Trump has headed to Saudi Arabia on his first foreign trip, which is chiefly aimed at forming a united front against Iran. (http://217.218.67.231/Detail/2017/05/19/522514/US-Trump-Saudi-Israel-Palestine-Vatican)

TOTAL HYPOCRISY

BREAKING Saudi king slams Iran as 'spearhead of global terrorism'
Saudi King: "The Iranian regime is the spearhead of international Terrorism."

"We have enough of the hostile actions of Iran in the region."

==========

Israeli min. of Intelligence Israel Katz: Trump's visit strengthens anti Iranian camp & presents opportunity to advance regional cooperation

Gregor Peter
TRUMP IN ISLAM SPEECH CALLS SAUDIA-ARABIA "SACRED LAND" (oops..:) )

Noga Tarnopolsky
Breaking: Trump-Netanyahu dinner cancelled amid revolt by Israeli ministers

(Trump went full imam. Never go full imam before dinner with rabbis! hahaha)

=======

►TRUMP IN SPEECH ON ISLAM TO CALL WAR ON TERROR "BATTLE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL"

►TRUMP IN SPEECH TO SAY: "THAT MEANS HONESTLY CONFRONTING THE CRISIS OF ISLAMIST EXTREMISM AND THE ISLAMIST TERROR GROUPS IT INSPIRES"

(Like going to Germany in mid 30s and teaching Nazis about threat of ultra-nationalism! Saudi clerics must be laughing their asses off!)

==========

Trump: "We will make decisions based on real-world outcomes – not inflexible ideology,"
(aka: immoral opportunism is A-OK!)
(Make Raytheon Great Again!)

========

Trump: "Middle East nations cannot wait for American power to crush this enemy for them,"

Trump: "We are not here to lecture, how to live, how to do" ...
(Free ticket to the autocratic, undemocratic regimes of the world!!)
(Yet feels competent to say what Damascus or Tehran should do, While Tillerson lectures Iran about freedom of speech. Priceless!)

==========

Trump: "Nations here today will be signing an agreement to combat the financing of terrorism, led by US and Saudi Arabia."
(Both World sponsors of terrorism agree to fight terrorism. Derp.)






Tulsi Gabbard
"Trump support of Saudi Arabia-a brutal theocracy & biggest sponsor of terrorism & the Wahhabi Salafi ideology fueling it-is a HUGE betrayal."

"Opening counter-terrorism center in Saudi is a farce; Saudi is #1 exporter of Wahhabi Salafi jihadist ideology that fuels grps like ISIS/AQ"

ExPatPaki
05-21-2017, 11:09 AM
On another forum I shared several PMs with a Kurd woman who lives in Atlanta. They're another group(s) who have confused me. She was from Iranian Kurdistan, hated the Iranians as well as Arabs and was an atheist. She schooled me on Islamization equaling Arabization and how that has subjugated all of these tribes and cultures who are not Arab but were conquered with most being converted to Islam. She was sympathetic to the Taliban for some anti Iranian reason but it was so complicated that I never got a clear picture of it all.


Kurds are fractured like any other group and are mainly pawns for US geopolitical games. Whether the US sponsors a Kurdish state on the Israel model is something to be seen and will likely destabilize the region further. She is right most were not Arab, however this is all ancient history and quibbling about that is a waste of time. The Kurds don't really think in a united fashion (but they sure like to talk a big game) and that's why they have been subjugated by the Iranians, Arabs, Turks and of course used and thrown away by the Americans like a condom.

I'm surprised about her views about the Taliban, they were only anti-Iran temporarily because Iran supported non-Taliban factions. However after the US occupation of Afghanistan, and Bush II's spurning of Iranian offers to combat and counter the Taliban, Iran reached out to the Taliban, offering some members asylum. The Taliban today has somewhat better relations with Tehran due to the US occupation.

klamath
05-21-2017, 12:13 PM
Why can't you be honest?

A House Republican is calling for an independent commission to examine Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election after President Trump’s bombshell decision to fire FBI Director James Comey on Tuesday.

Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.), a member of the conservative House Freedom Caucus, said on Twitter that he is “reviewing legislation to establish an independent commission on Russia.”

If Amash wants to look at independent commissions, hold investigations and raise some hell about attacking the very people fighting these jihadi freaks - the sovereign nation of Syria and their allies, including Russia -, then I'd be right there. But no, he's playing with a lie created by the Clinton campaign. And yet YOU are letting Trump get by with the horror, and defending the hell out of him. As I said the sooner Trump is impeached the better. Any way any how. Sorry you don't like it. Of course he was in with the Russians. There was NO secret about that the whole time he was running. We would have been better off with Clinton, because then the people that truly care about liberty, won't be getting smeared by the shit that is covering the Trump that ran as a republican.

klamath
05-21-2017, 12:18 PM
I recall reading or hearing that Trump gave the generals or Pentagon or some such, broad authority to act on their own.because shit for brains won't take the time to study and understand anything that might involve the killing of human lives, because the is too busy figuring out how to get the panties of another beauty queen.

goldenequity
05-21-2017, 02:14 PM
Aldin Abazovi
Saudi Arabia Global Center for Combating Extremist Ideology
(not a joke. :D)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAXkeRcXYAAOVTu.jpg:large

wtf? (all that's missing is the eevill laughter... bwahhaahaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAX9DgSXcAEP8P7.jpg:large

susano
05-21-2017, 02:34 PM
And yet YOU are letting Trump get by with the horror, and defending the hell out of him. As I said the sooner Trump is impeached the better. Any way any how. Sorry you don't like it. Of course he was in with the Russians. There was NO secret about that the whole time he was running. We would have been better off with Clinton, because then the people that truly care about liberty, won't be getting smeared by the $#@! that is covering the Trump that ran as a republican.

You need to grow the fuck up. Your claiming I'm letting Trump get away with anything is so stupid you should be embarrassed. Like I or any other average person has any control over Donald Trump. Sheesh. I am also not defending Trump. Your derangement doesn't allow you to understand that there is a difference between defending Trump and pointing out that a deep state coup d'etat is a bad thing. Is Dennis Kucinich defending Trump or sounding the alarm bells about an extra-constitiutional fourth branch government controlling the United Sates?! Oh, that's right, you can't discern the difference. Your saying Trump was "in with the Russians" (Clinton campaign much?) is also meaningless garbage. He campaigned on better relations with them - which has not happened - and you're equating that to "in with", whateverthefuck that means. That you would say we'd be better off with Clinton who runs a global, criminal racket off of which she and her husband have made their fortune, is nuts. Nobody but Democraps are associating Trump with Republicans when Republicans are openly not supporting him. Everyone but Democraps knows Trump is a complete wild card with no party allegiance or even any kind of political ideology.

susano
05-21-2017, 02:50 PM
Aldin Abazovi
Saudi Arabia Global Center for Combating Extremist Ideology
(not a joke. :D)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAXkeRcXYAAOVTu.jpg:large

wtf? (all that's missing is the eevill laughter... bwahhaahaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAX9DgSXcAEP8P7.jpg:large

I saw that air head Invanka giving a speech on this, today. She makes my skin crawl.

Now we're gonna have Saudi shills all over the internet, I guess.

And, WTH is that glowing ball, lol?

This all feels like a satirical movie.

Oh, and, isn't it the Saudis heading up the UN Human Rights commission? haha!

One other thing... what eventually happens when the Zionazi-GCC alliance and greater Israel runs into Erdogan's plans for Ottoman empire 2.0? That ought to be interesting.

goldenequity
05-21-2017, 04:05 PM
Full Speech


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEnvulC3X-I

Demonizing of Iran/Syria @ 27:00

:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeFqYxBRGk4

klamath
05-21-2017, 04:15 PM
You need to grow the $#@! up. Your claiming I'm letting Trump get away with anything is so stupid you should be embarrassed. Like I or any other average person has any control over Donald Trump. Sheesh. I am also not defending Trump. Your derangement doesn't allow you to understand that there is a difference between defending Trump and pointing out that a deep state coup d'etat is a bad thing. Is Dennis Kucinich defending Trump or sounding the alarm bells about an extra-constitiutional fourth branch government controlling the United Sates?! Oh, that's right, you can't discern the difference. Your saying Trump was "in with the Russians" (Clinton campaign much?) is also meaningless garbage. He campaigned on better relations with them - which has not happened - and you're equating that to "in with", whateverthe$#@! that means. That you would say we'd be better off with Clinton who runs a global, criminal racket off of which she and her husband have made their fortune, is nuts. Nobody but Democraps are associating Trump with Republicans when Republicans are openly not supporting him. Everyone but Democraps knows Trump is a complete wild card with no party allegiance or even any kind of political ideology.Do you hang your new phrase around you neck and fondle it every few minutes. "Deep state! Deep state!" when are people going to start thinking on their own, instead of running around like 3 year olds learning a new saying. And really who the fuck cares about the "extra Constitutional" branch, when your president doesn't give a shit about the constitution. Cry me a river.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
05-21-2017, 04:35 PM
But I am done with Amish because he doesn't like Trump.


You need to quit picking on the Amish. They are relatively peaceful.




Plus, the Amish make good cheese. I get some from this Amish guy all the up in Indiana.


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f8/ce/94/f8ce9454835a7bec6a36ad15eda19c11.jpg

susano
05-21-2017, 05:07 PM
Do you hang your new phrase around you neck and fondle it every few minutes. "Deep state! Deep state!" when are people going to start thinking on their own, instead of running around like 3 year olds learning a new saying. And really who the $#@! cares about the "extra Constitutional" branch, when your president doesn't give a $#@! about the constitution. Cry me a river.

Deep state is not a new term and it's convenient shorthand to describe the intelligence community (including foreign) + Pentagon career types + entrenched bureaucrats who all think the US government exists only to serve their interests and wallets.

You are being very shortsighted if you think a coup d'etat is a winning idea just because Trump.

phill4paul
05-21-2017, 05:16 PM
Deep state is not a new term and it's convenient shorthand to describe the intelligence community (including foreign) + Pentagon career types + entrenched bureaucrats who all think the US government exists only to serve their interests and wallets.

You are being very shortsighted if you think a coup d'etat is a winning idea just because Trump.

Why wouldn't/couldn't it be? History is replete when regimes over play their hands and the populace revolts. Trump hasn't instituted one iota of change to the establishment. Not a one.

Why defend him at this point?

Swordsmyth
05-21-2017, 05:19 PM
Why wouldn't/couldn't it be? History is replete when regimes over play their hands and the populace revolts. Trump hasn't instituted one iota of change to the establishment. Not a one.

Why defend him at this point?

You think the coup members are better?
They are worse.

phill4paul
05-21-2017, 05:22 PM
You think the coup members are better?
They are worse.

You're right. At least it is not Hillary. :rolleyes:

r3volution 3.0
05-21-2017, 05:34 PM
The insecurity of the Saudi mind is baffling. They are known to be cowards amongst Pakistani military circles. Unfortunately, Pakistan is in ways a vassal state of the Saudi royals and therefore the Pakistani soldiers have to do 'military exercises' with these baboons. Their laziness and cowardliness is discussed immensely in private. However, I think the Pakistan goal is to milk the Saudi royals for what its worth. Of course there are costs to Pakistan as a result, namely sectarian warfare.

No amount of US military deals will make the Saudis feel secure against an imaginary Iranian threat.

If the King of Saudi Arabia is unable to perform his duties, perhaps he ought to resign.

r3volution 3.0
05-21-2017, 05:39 PM
I didn't say it was likely, I said let's see, the implication being I doubt it.

So you've read Voltaire (or at least Googled "Candide").

Puer probus, bonus servus meus.

susano
05-21-2017, 05:44 PM
Why wouldn't/couldn't it be? History is replete when regimes over play their hands and the populace revolts. Trump hasn't instituted one iota of change to the establishment. Not a one.

Why defend him at this point?

The "populace"? This isn't the populace in some uprising, this is the deep state (shorthand!) asserting it's stranglehold on the levers of power in this country.

As for popular revolts overthrowing governments, I like the idea - especially imagining corrupt politicians and the like getting lined up and shot - but it doesn't seem that it usually works out all that great. Who, in the US, is most organized and ready to govern in a power vacuum? That would be the deep state and their political counterparts!

susano
05-21-2017, 05:57 PM
You're right. At least it is not Hillary. :rolleyes:

Yes, at least it's not.

So far, the foreign policy is the same but if we were looking at president Clinton, it would be cultural Marxism on steroids. We'd be inundated with more man hating pussy hat dykes and feminazis in government positions; more "trans rights" shit; more sexualization and perversion of little kids under the guise of "education" and every other twisted nightmare these SJW freaks wanted imposed on the rest of us. All else being somewhat equal, if putting the breaks on these PC tyrants is all Trump is good for, it's worth it.

nikcers
05-21-2017, 06:17 PM
You're right. At least it is not Hillary. :rolleyes:
RPF changes a lot in just a few months

1.WTF!? at least it's not Jeb! Jeb Would be worse! :mad:
2.WTF!? at least it's not Hillary. :eek:
3.WTF!? at least it's not Hillary :confused:
4.You're right. At least it is not Hillary :rolleyes:

susano
05-21-2017, 11:52 PM
Since this thread went beyond Syria and we've discussed Pakistan and Iran, I'll add this about Afghanistan. Even after reading it I still have no idea why the US is there.

What’s the Point of Donald Trump’s Afghan Surge?

And four other questions the President's team needs to answer before expanding America’s longest war.

Having previously promised to get the United States “out of the nation-building business,” President Trump is contemplating sending 3,000 to 5,000 more U.S. troops to Afghanistan. It’s a move that is said to be strongly backed by White House National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster (reportedly leading some in the White House to dub it “McMaster’s War”). It is also reminiscent of the situation Barack Obama faced back in 2009. Military officials pushed hard for an even bigger troop increase then, and a neophyte president bowed to the pressure despite his clear misgivings. Obama’s “surge” ultimately accomplished nothing — as some of us warned at the time — and this new effort to kick the can down the road is likely to suffer a similar fate.

I don’t really think Trump understands any of the underlying issues, but McMaster — who served for several years in Afghanistan and has the reputation of being an independent thinker — should. Here are five questions someone should ask McMaster about this new policy, along with some background to each one.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/17/whats-the-point-of-donald-trumps-afghan-surge-taliban-afghanistan/

susano
05-21-2017, 11:55 PM
RPF changes a lot in just a few months

1.WTF!? at least it's not Jeb! Jeb Would be worse! :mad:
2.WTF!? at least it's not Hillary. :eek:
3.WTF!? at least it's not Hillary :confused:
4.You're right. At least it is not Hillary :rolleyes:

lol

CPUd
05-22-2017, 12:16 AM
Since this thread went beyond Syria and we've discussed Pakistan and Iran, I'll add this about Afghanistan. Even after reading it I still have no idea why the US is there.

What’s the Point of Donald Trump’s Afghan Surge?

And four other questions the President's team needs to answer before expanding America’s longest war.

Having previously promised to get the United States “out of the nation-building business,” President Trump is contemplating sending 3,000 to 5,000 more U.S. troops to Afghanistan. It’s a move that is said to be strongly backed by White House National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster (reportedly leading some in the White House to dub it “McMaster’s War”). It is also reminiscent of the situation Barack Obama faced back in 2009. Military officials pushed hard for an even bigger troop increase then, and a neophyte president bowed to the pressure despite his clear misgivings. Obama’s “surge” ultimately accomplished nothing — as some of us warned at the time — and this new effort to kick the can down the road is likely to suffer a similar fate.

I don’t really think Trump understands any of the underlying issues, but McMaster — who served for several years in Afghanistan and has the reputation of being an independent thinker — should. Here are five questions someone should ask McMaster about this new policy, along with some background to each one.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/17/whats-the-point-of-donald-trumps-afghan-surge-taliban-afghanistan/

We have to fight them over there so we won't have to fight them over here.

susano
05-22-2017, 12:41 AM
http://truedemocracyparty.net/wp-content/uploads/opium-field.jpg

goldenequity
05-22-2017, 11:07 AM
The Intercept
►As Trump praised unelected despots in Saudi Arabia, Iranian voters celebrated their reformist president's victory. (https://theintercept.com/2017/05/21/landslide-win-irans-reformists-doesnt-fit-trumps-script-ignores/)

https://prod01-cdn05.cdn.firstlook.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/1/2017/05/2105_trump-1495402300.jpg



zerohedge
ROUHANI: "SAUDI ARABIA WOULD BE STRONGER IF IT LET ITS PEOPLE DECIDE THEIR COUNTRY'S FATE BY VOTING."

Abas Aslani
ROUHANI: "Trump came to region when 45million Iranians participated in election. He went to a country that has never seen ballot boxes."

The Associated Press
Trump says he sees growing realization among Israel's Arab neighbors on 'common cause' of threat posed by Iran.

The Spectator Index
BREAKING: Israeli President says Iran must be driven out of Israel's borders and out of Syria and Lebanon


Conflict News
TURKEY: US Ambassador summoned by Turkey to protest aggressive action against Turkish bodyguards in Washington. - @AP
:)