Sessions moves to lengthen drug sentences

[Origanalist]

MAGA
http://static.politico.com/dims4/default/4e6e57c/2147483647/resize/1160x%3E/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2F9d%2F45%2F 5c939e5a45e6b9bd73b91414d72f%2F170228-sessions-ap-1160.jpg
"This policy affirms our responsibility to enforce the law, is moral and just, and produces consistency," Jeff Sessions writes. | AP Photo


Sessions moves to lengthen drug sentences
AG rolls back Obama-era policy that allowed many to escape stiff mandatory minimums
By JOSH GERSTEIN 05/12/17

Attorney General Jeff Sessions is reversing one of the central elements of the Obama administration's criminal justice reform agenda: a Justice Department policy that led to prosecutors in drug cases often filing charges in a way that avoided triggering mandatory minimum sentences in federal law.

Sessions is withdrawing a 2013 directive from Attorney General Eric Holder that instructed federal prosecutors not to specify the amount of drugs involved when charging low-level and non-violent drug offenders. That policy effectively gave judges discretion to set sentences lower than the mandatory punishments ranging from five years to life in prison federal law dictates when someone is convicted of a crime involving a certain quantity of illegal drugs.


In a memo distributed to federal prosecutors nationwide Thursday, Sessions said the department default in future cases will return to a previous policy of filing the most serious charge available against a defendant under the provable facts.

"It is a core principle that prosecutors should charge and pursue the most serious, readily provable offense," Sessions said in the directive, dated Wednesday.

The attorney general suggested that moves to lessen the impact of mandatory minimums should come from Congress, rather than being unilaterally implemented by the Executive Branch.

"This policy affirms our responsibility to enforce the law, is moral and just, and produces consistency. This policy fully utilizes the tools Congress has given us," he wrote.

Sessions' move bucks a growing trend in recent years—in Washington and in states across the country—to abandon some of the harshest sentencing policies created in the 1980s-era war on drugs. Many experts say those laws and sentencing rules led to drug offenders spending decades in prison or even receiving life behind bars, when lesser sentences would have been adequate. The laws also ballooned the prison population, leading to costs that were unsustainable for some state governments.

continued...hxxp://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/12/mandatory-minimum-drug-sentences-jeff-sessions-238295

[CaptUSA]

stiff mandatory minimums

Did someone say, "stiff mandatory minimums"?!

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/santorum.gif?w=650

[Origanalist]

Did someone say, "stiff mandatory minimums"?!

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/santorum.gif?w=650

Ewwww, it's "frothy"...:eek:

[shakey1]

... and this is progress????:(:mad:

[dean.engelhardt]

The laws also ballooned the prison population, leading to costs that were unsustainable for some state governments.

Better buy correction company stocks and profit from all the cancer patience put in jail for smoking pot.

[JK/SEA]

Better buy correction company stocks and profit from all the cancer patience put in jail for smoking pot.

as far as i know, no one is put in jail for pot these days in Washington State unless you consider a DUI for smoking weed as a base line.

do you have a source for this pot causing cancer comment?....

[shakey1]

as far as i know, no one is put in jail for pot these days in Washington State unless you consider a DUI for smoking weed as a base line.

do you have a source for this pot causing cancer comment?....

I think he meant smoking pot for chemo cancer treatment.

[William Tell]

Good work Trump supporters! MAGA! Increasing drug sentences will expose how much of a failure the WOD is, if he goes for capitol punishment it will expose it even faster and lead to its End!

/sarc

[JK/SEA]

Good work Trump supporters! MAGA! Increasing drug sentences will expose how much of a failure the WOD is, if he goes for capitol punishment it will expose it even faster and lead to its End!

/sarc

pot good.

heroin bad.

Sessions wants to go after big time dealers of heroin. I know he mentioned weed, but i think this is to help legitimate growers and sellers in this countrty. Eliminate the foreign competition that smuggles questionable weed that may not be that healthy to use due to growing standards, or lack thereof.

[William Tell]

pot good.

heroin bad.

Sessions wants to go after big time dealers of heroin. I know he mentioned weed, but i think this is to help legitimate growers and sellers in this countrty. Eliminate the foreign competition that smuggles questionable weed that may not be that healthy to use due to growing standards, or lack thereof. Yes. We need to Make the War on Drugs Great Again. If we catch them all and deport the bad ones and only let the good ones back in we will finally have successful prohibition policy that works.:cool:

[JK/SEA]

Yes. We need to Make the War on Drugs Great Again. If we catch them all and deport the bad ones and only let the good ones back in we will finally have successful prohibition policy that works.:cool:

well, in Washington State, the people have spoken.

he ain't gonna do shit about weed.

[CaptUSA]

pot good.

heroin bad.

Sessions wants to go after big time dealers of heroin. I know he mentioned weed, but i think this is to help legitimate growers and sellers in this countrty. Eliminate the foreign competition that smuggles questionable weed that may not be that healthy to use due to growing standards, or lack thereof.

http://i.imgur.com/PbBxax6.gif

[JK/SEA]

http://i.imgur.com/PbBxax6.gif


weed is a billion dollar industry....

Sessions ain't gonna win this one.

[specsaregood]

I was just thinking this morning on the golf course that what this country really needs is more people in jail for longer periods of time. /maga

[surf]

pot good.

heroin bad.

Sessions wants to go after big time dealers of heroin. I know he mentioned weed, but i think this is to help legitimate growers and sellers in this countrty. Eliminate the foreign competition that smuggles questionable weed that may not be that healthy to use due to growing standards, or lack thereof.I know you're local, but the highlighted portion sounds like a politician justifying the ridiculous bureaucracy and tax system that keeps good weed selling for over $10/gram. as a local myself, I can honestly say that I have never heard of anyone smoking unhealthy weed. bad, overpriced weed, yes.

heroin may be bad. the drug war is worse.

[phill4paul]

Hopefully, Sessions 46dd chess gambit to get lawmakers to change drug laws will play out in the long run.

[dannno]

as a local myself, I can honestly say that I have never heard of anyone smoking unhealthy weed. bad, overpriced weed, yes.


It's legal in California now too, and I can attest that brick weed from Mexico is often dubious quality.

As for the thread topic, this is definitely a disappointment, but like phill said hopefully it will get congress to act and change the laws.

[LoveRonPaul]

I'm torn on this issue.

On one hand, I believe people should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies, including take any drug they please.

On the other hand, I've seen so many lives, so many families, ruined by drugs.

I feel like in giving people freedom, we're also giving them the rope to hang themselves with.

It's a complex issue, isn't it?

[JK/SEA]

I know you're local, but the highlighted portion sounds like a politician justifying the ridiculous bureaucracy and tax system that keeps good weed selling for over $10/gram. as a local myself, I can honestly say that I have never heard of anyone smoking unhealthy weed. bad, overpriced weed, yes.

heroin may be bad. the drug war is worse.

do you have evidence imported weed is not full of pesticides and chemical fertilizers?....

someone close to me is a level 4 grower in Washington State, and all the weed he grows is suitable for vegans.

[Origanalist]

Yes. We need to Make the War on Drugs Great Again. If we catch them all and deport the bad ones and only let the good ones back in we will finally have successful prohibition policy that works.:cool:

The war o drugs is like communism, it just hasn't been done right yet. We just need the right people in charge.

[phill4paul]

I'm torn on this issue.

On one hand, I believe people should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies, including take any drug they please.

On the other hand, I've seen so many lives, so many families, ruined by drugs.

I feel like in giving people freedom, we're also giving them the rope to hang themselves with.

It's a complex issue, isn't it?

Not complex at all. People should be free to hang themselves with any rope they choose. When it comes to freedom there either is or there is not.

[tod evans]

Not complex at all. People should be free to hang themselves with any rope they choose. When it comes to freedom there either is or there is not.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to phill4paul again. :o

[CaptUSA]

I'm torn on this issue.

On one hand, I believe people should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies, including take any drug they please.

On the other hand, I've seen so many lives, so many families, ruined by drugs.

I feel like in giving people freedom, we're also giving them the rope to hang themselves with.

It's a complex issue, isn't it?

Not complex. You cannot "give" people freedom. You can only take it away. Freedom is the natural state if governance and oppression is removed. And who'd to say they don't take that rope and build themselves an escape ladder? Or maybe a lasso? To paraphrase Jefferson, I'd rather deal with idiots hurting themselves than idiots hurting me!

[tod evans]

Sessions moves to lengthen drug sentences

Rather see Sessions neck lengthened.....

[William Tell]

I'm torn on this issue.

On one hand, I believe people should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies, including take any drug they please.

On the other hand, I've seen so many lives, so many families, ruined by drugs.

I feel like in giving people freedom, we're also giving them the rope to hang themselves with.

It's a complex issue, isn't it?

No. I mean unless the fact that some people use guns to do crime makes you torn between being a second amendment activist and a Moms Demand lackey.

[dannno]

I'm torn on this issue.

On one hand, I believe people should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies, including take any drug they please.

On the other hand, I've seen so many lives, so many families, ruined by drugs.

I feel like in giving people freedom, we're also giving them the rope to hang themselves with.

It's a complex issue, isn't it?

Well drugs are illegal, and people's lives are still not only being ruined by drugs, but even more by the war on drugs.

Ron Paul asked a crowd full of people in South Carolina during a debate a long time ago whether they would go out and do heroin if it were made legal, if they needed the government to tell them what to do, and he got a huge applause.

[dean.engelhardt]

as far as i know, no one is put in jail for pot these days in Washington State unless you consider a DUI for smoking weed as a base line.

do you have a source for this pot causing cancer comment?....


I think he meant smoking pot for chemo cancer treatment.

Yes, I meant people using pot to tolerate chemo treatment.

I understand that no one in Washington state is going to jail over pot right now, but it is still a schedule 1 drug. If the feds want to, they could start enforcing federal drug laws. I think Jeff Sessions wants to: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/jeff-sessions-coming-war-on-legal-marijuana-214501?fb_comment_id=1171919976191177_117215977616 7197&comment_id=1171964592853382&reply_comment_id=1172159776167197#f82799f7cdc629 (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/jeff-sessions-coming-war-on-legal-marijuana-214501?fb_comment_id=1171919976191177_117215977616 7197&comment_id=1171964592853382&reply_comment_id=1172159776167197#f82799f7cdc629)

[Zippyjuan]

We don't have enough people in jail yet. Gotta stop that soaring crime rate. http://cdn.thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/191219.png


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_ozWgEWsAE-8jv.jpg

https://twitter.com/EricHolder/status/863058742522388480/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FPolitics%2Fj ustice-department-directs-federal-prosecutors-charge-maximum-sentences%2Fstory%3Fid%3D47371598

[Anti Federalist]

I was just thinking this morning on the golf course that what this country really needs is more people in jail for longer periods of time. /maga

I was thinking the same thing myself...more police officers too...need more police officers.

[Anti Federalist]

I'm torn on this issue.

On one hand, I believe people should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies, including take any drug they please.

On the other hand, I've seen so many lives, so many families, ruined by drugs.

I feel like in giving people freedom, we're also giving them the rope to hang themselves with.

It's a complex issue, isn't it?

Not torn in the least.

We have an absence of freedom now, yet people still, as you noted, destroy themselves with drugs.

[Root]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to phill4paul again. :o
covered, friend

[bunklocoempire]

I'm torn on this issue.

On one hand, I believe people should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies, including take any drug they please.

On the other hand, I've seen so many lives, so many families, ruined by drugs.

I feel like in giving people freedom, we're also giving them the rope to hang themselves with.

It's a complex issue, isn't it?

Inanimate objects do not ruin lives and families.

Edit:OT- Just part of the long game, I'm sure...

[Anti Federalist]

And this gets placed right here...


How Could it Have Been Worse?

https://ericpetersautos.com/2017/05/12/how-could-it-have-been-worse/

By eric - May 12, 2017

Maybe it would have been wiser to just sit the last one out. Or even to have done like Khan in Star Trek II and – for hate’s sake – voted for her.

Why not, after all?

It might have turned out better.

Obamacare wasn’t going away in any case; I think we all knew that, deep down. The idea of the feds ever voluntarily giving back power once acquired is preposterous. It is a thing only fools and children could possibly believe in, like Santa Claus.

Under her, we would still have Obamacare, of course. But under him, we are now to be dunned $3,000 for each year we elect not to be “covered.” This will have the effect of turning hundreds of thousands of people – possibly millions – into debt slaves or “criminals” or both. A person – young, not much money or perhaps self-employed – goes “without coverage” (but not costing anyone a cent) for say five years and now he “owes” the insurance mafia $15,000. Will the government seize his bank accounts and property and dun his paycheck to collect it on behalf of the mafia?

This is what is meant by Repeal and Replace.

Instead of the so-called Individual Mandate, which belts us with a punitive tax paid to the government annually for failing to purchase coverage, we are to be dunned by the insurance mafia – backed by the government – if we elect not to be covered and two to three times as much.

That is the Republicans’ idea of a “market-based health care reform.”

Big corporations using the government to rob us. We might as well all be stamping out license plates in a federal pen someplace.

It gets worse – of course.

She would not have been as vicious as he is becoming with regard to arbitrarily illegal drugs. They would of course have remained illegal; there is simply too much money and power in it to ever allow the War on Some Drugs to peter out entirely. But a North Korean-style jihad against non-violent users/sellers of arbitrarily illegal drugs would likely not have been initiated under her Leadership.

We are about to get exactly that – a jihad – under his Leadership.

The worst sort of jihad. Moralistic braying about the arbitrary “sinful” conduct of others, which is the sort of thing Republicans specialize in.

This ought to make especially Libertarians cringe – those who “held their noses” and voted for him as the lesser of two evils, or a kind of damage control/firewall against the perceived looming depredations of her.

As bad as Leader Obama was – and as bad as Leader Hillary would have been – we now have Leader Trump and it not only makes no difference, the difference is becoming worse.

She at least had to pay some lip service to the putative mild-mannered humanism of the far-from-Jeffersonian “liberalism” she and hers pretend to represent. After all, the Democrats care about people.

Republicans suffer under no such impediment.

His people care about Law and Order. About crushing enemies, seeing them driven before them and hearing the lamentations of their women. They are perpetually priapic about The Homeland and might as well begin playing Die Fahne Hoch at their rallies. They love The Flag and all it represents – which is to say, government power.

Their power.

And what good is power if you don’t use it?

Against non-violent users and sellers of arbitrarily illegal drugs, for instance? But that is small potatoes. The real itchy-triggerdness is directed against – as always – The Enemies of Freedom abroad.

These are located very far abroad. So far abroad they are literally incapable of so much as poking Our Freedoms in the ribs. Yet they must be shown who is boss by the Big Boss, who not only itches to say You’re Fired! but also itches to fire something – many things – at these Enemies of Freedom. It keeps the flags waving, you see – and also disposes of some otherwise useless military surplus which will, of course, need to be replaced (never repealed) at tremendous expense.

Else Our Freedoms will be in jeopardy.

Because, you see, ten 100,000 ton nuclear powered aircraft carriers and 18 Ohio Class nuclear subs each carrying a dozen nuclear-tipped missiles and then another 10,000 or so nukes stored away in various places in the Homeland plus about 8,000 jet fighters, bombers and other military aircraft of various types and an annual budget of around $600 billion isn’t quite sufficient to protect Our Freedoms from evildoers abroad.

He wants more of all these things. Like Herman Goring at Karinhall, who played with his trains while his pet lion gamboled in the background.

She would have stolen and spent our money on things, too – including War Things. But probably less so. Which was what we – those of us who got Charlie Brown’d by his Lucy – expected him to do.

Now we’re getting it and then some – a worse-than-Obamacare federal bayonet in our backs plus a Drug War on Viagra and the always-more-fervent Republican fetish for The Troops and anything wrapped in The Flag.

It’s like a tent revival scene from the ’30s, sweaty and turgid.

Or another kind of revival.

Cue Die Fahne Hoch.

[PierzStyx]

pot good.

heroin bad.

Sessions wants to go after big time dealers of heroin. I know he mentioned weed, but i think this is to help legitimate growers and sellers in this countrty. Eliminate the foreign competition that smuggles questionable weed that may not be that healthy to use due to growing standards, or lack thereof.

It amazes me to what lengths Trumphumpers will go to justify his authoritarian actions.


Makes me yearn for the guy who said heroin should be legal on national television.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4Eca-INIOw

[JK/SEA]

yep, saw that comment from Ron.

I agree with Ron on a load of topics except this one.

and as far as the communist snowflake comment of 'trumphumpers'.....phuck you.

[CaptUSA]

yep, saw that comment from Ron.

I agree with Ron on a load of topics except this one.

Really? You need laws to tell you not to use heroin?

That's a pretty bold statement. Especially since heroin is illegal federally and in all 50 states and yet there is an epidemic. Somehow, those "laws" don't seem to be working for some reason. I suppose we just need more government guns, searches, longer sentences and less liberty. THEN, people will finally start listening to the laws.

(you do realize they can't even keep drugs out of prisons, right? Where the government has 100% control and liberty does not exist?)

[JK/SEA]

Really? You need laws to tell you not to use heroin?

That's a pretty bold statement. Especially since heroin is illegal federally and in all 50 states and yet there is an epidemic. Somehow, those "laws" don't seem to be working for some reason. I suppose we just need more government guns, searches, longer sentences and less liberty. THEN, people will finally start listening to the laws.

(you do realize they can't even keep drugs out of prisons, right? Where the government has 100% control and liberty does not exist?)

heroin users threaten my freedom and liberty, and yours.

i don't like some fucked up heroin freak busting into my house, or stealing shit from my yard.

where's my 'rights' on this issue?...seems you want heroin addicts to have more freedom to pillage....gtfo.

[Zippyjuan]

Really? You need laws to tell you not to use heroin?

That's a pretty bold statement. Especially since heroin is illegal federally and in all 50 states and yet there is an epidemic. Somehow, those "laws" don't seem to be working for some reason. I suppose we just need more government guns, searches, longer sentences and less liberty. THEN, people will finally start listening to the laws.

(you do realize they can't even keep drugs out of prisons, right? Where the government has 100% control and liberty does not exist?)

So if it is legalized, nobody will abuse it. Interesting. Alcohol is legal. Maybe that has stopped people from abusing it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/22/americans-are-drinking-themselves-to-death-at-record-rates/?utm_term=.573ee2af3e7c


Americans are drinking themselves to death at record rates

Alcohol is killing Americans at a rate not seen in at least 35 years, according to new federal data. Last year, more than 30,700 Americans died from alcohol-induced causes, including alcohol poisoning and cirrhosis, which is primarily caused by alcohol use.

In 2014, there were 9.6 deaths from these alcohol-induced causes per 100,000 people, an increase of 37 percent since 2002.

This tally of alcohol-induced fatalities excludes deaths from drunk driving, other accidents, and homicides committed under the influence of alcohol. If those numbers were included the annual toll of deaths directly or indirectly caused by alcohol would be closer to 90,000, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

[dannno]

heroin users threaten my freedom and liberty, and yours.

i don't like some fucked up heroin freak busting into my house, or stealing shit from my yard.

where's my 'rights' on this issue?...seems you want heroin addicts to have more freedom to pillage....gtfo.

The reason fucked up heroin freaks need money for heroin is because of the war on drugs. They could fund their heroin habit on 50 cents a day if it were totally legal, instead of needing a hundred or two hundred a day to fund their habit.

Also they would likely choose a less addictive drug than heroin, like opium.

[JK/SEA]

The reason fucked up heroin freaks need money for heroin is because of the war on drugs. They could fun their heroin habit on 50 cents a day if it were totally legal, instead of needing a hundred or two hundred a day to fund their habit.

i realize that, but i also realize that this will never happen.

[dannno]

So if it is legalized, nobody will abuse it. Interesting.

Nobody in the history of the world has ever said that you knumbskull.

The truth is that the war on drugs increases addiction. It pushes more people to use more addictive, more powerful substances because the choice for effective, less addictive substances is less available. The "pushers" bring in the addictive stuff that is more valuable to smuggle in smaller spaces, because it increases their business.

[Zippyjuan]

The reason $#@!ed up heroin freaks need money for heroin is because of the war on drugs. They could fun their heroin habit on 50 cents a day if it were totally legal, instead of needing a hundred or two hundred a day to fund their habit.

Actually it is currently the (relatively) low price of heroin contributing to the surge in usage. People got addicted to prescription pain killers but turned to heroin as a cheaper alternative to get the same effect.

http://www.narconon.org/blog/heroin-addiction/5-reasons-prescription-addiction-turns-to-heroin/


Heroin Is Cheaper than Pain Pills

Once a person gets hooked on painkillers, he or she is tied into an enormously expensive habit. At anywhere from $60 to $100 per pill, a painkiller addiction is enough to throw one onto hard times financially, especially considering that an addict will normally require several doses per day. Heroin is not cheap, but it is significantly less expensive than painkillers. A single dose of heroin usually costs around $10, depending on the city where it is purchased.

Heroin Is Easier to Find

Prescription painkillers are so widely abused throughout the United States that overdose on pain meds now kills more Americans than both heroin and cocaine combined. With so many people suffering from addiction to these powerful medications, state legislatures, law enforcement and medical regulatory agencies are taking measures to crack down and prevent the drugs from being abused or falling into the wrong hands. One example is the implementation of statewide prescription monitoring programs which keep track of how many painkiller prescriptions that doctors write. This makes it harder for unscrupulous physicians to operate as “pill mills,” selling prescriptions to people who want to get high. The drugs are now significant far more difficult to come by, whereas heroin can easily be found both in the city and the suburbs, provided that one has the right connections.

Heroin Is Easier to Use

People who abuse painkillers do not simply swallow the pills. After all, pain pills are designed not to get a patient high, but to provide an extended low dosage for the management of pain. To get high on Vicodin or OxyContin, it is necessary to crush the pill up into a powder so that it can be snorted or injected in a dissolved solution.

To fight back against painkiller abuse, many of the pharmaceutical drug companies have begun formulating their pills in ways that make them harder to crush. The new version of Oxycontin, for example, cannot easily be ground to a fine powder, but instead breaks up into chunks. Even if an addict is successful in dissolving the pill in water, it will not be a solution that can be injected. Instead the solution comes out as a stringy and sticky goop. Heroin, on the other hand, is delivered as a fine powder that is ready for use as soon as the person gets his or her hands on it. For these reasons, heroin abuse rates are on the increase following the massive explosion in the numbers of prescriptions written for painkillers over the past several years.

[CaptUSA]

heroin users threaten my freedom and liberty, and yours.

i don't like some fucked up heroin freak busting into my house, or stealing shit from my yard.

where's my 'rights' on this issue?...seems you want heroin addicts to have more freedom to pillage....gtfo.

1. What have your laws done to stop heroin use?
2. Trespassing and theft are crimes - you're conflating two different issues.
3. When you make criminals of an activity, only criminals can partake. So in order to use their drug, what do they care about violating liberty?? They're already criminals.
4. Who said I wanted them to have the freedom to pillage?! That's dumb. I suppose in your world, using heroin means you have to steal?
5. Your rights end when you try to force someone else to do something against their will - same place their rights end. Liberty, bro...

[CaptUSA]

So if it is legalized, nobody will abuse it. Interesting. Alcohol is legal. Maybe that has stopped people from abusing it.

Who said that?! Damn, you both are reading what you want to believe instead of what was said. If it's legalized, the same people who are using now, probably would continue. And some new people may try it. Basically, the same situation we're in today with it being illegal. Except minus the loss of liberty and wealth.

[Zippyjuan]

http://www.pressherald.com/2014/02/23/heroin_use_climbs_in_maine_as_cheaper_alternative_ to_prescription_drugs/


Heroin use climbs in Maine as cheaper alternative to prescription drugs

Victoria Morris of Portland first used heroin when she was 20. Eight years later, her addiction has cost her her husband, her children and her home.

She had already smoked crack and done other drugs, but it was a blood clot in her arm that set her heroin addiction in motion.

The hospital gave her Dilaudid. From there, she graduated to heroin because “it was cheaper than Dilaudid,” she said.

Heroin takes her pain away, she said, and staves off the nausea, diarrhea and other withdrawal symptoms. It’s also cheaper than other opiates.

“Oxy 30s are like 40 bucks,” she said, referring to the cost of a 30-milligram tablet of OxyContin. “You can go spend 40 bucks on dope and I can make it last three days.”

A drug kingpin couldn’t have planned it better: Flood the market with a cheap, socially acceptable, addictive drug. Once customers are hooked, reduce the supply, raise prices and offer a cheaper – and deadlier – alternative with a huge profit margin.

That’s what has happened in Maine and across the country as abuse of prescription painkillers has led to opiate addiction, driving some users to heroin as a less expensive alternative.

As Morris said, the commonly prescribed painkiller OxyContin costs $40 for a single pill – if it’s available. That same $40 can buy two, three or even five bags of heroin – enough for maybe three days, depending on its purity and the user’s tolerance.

“For most (addicts), they’re using both opiates and heroin and both give a similar effect,” said Ronni Katz, substance abuse program coordinator for Portland’s Division of Public Health. “If someone is jonesing, they go for either one, but they’ll go with what they can afford and heroin you can get a lot cheaper.”

Law enforcement and the health care industry are cracking down on prescription drug abuse, but are also seeing a corresponding surge in heroin use and deaths from overdoses.

[JK/SEA]

1. What have your laws done to stop heroin use?
2. Trespassing and theft are crimes - you're conflating two different issues.
3. When you make criminals of an activity, only criminals can partake. So in order to use their drug, what do they care about violating liberty?? They're already criminals.
4. Who said I wanted them to have the freedom to pillage?! That's dumb. I suppose in your world, using heroin means you have to steal?
5. Your rights end when you try to force someone else to do something against their will - same place their rights end. Liberty, bro...

you're telling me heroin should be free, and if you want to kill yourself with this shit go for it?...

address the issue of smuggling, slow the influx down, and bust dealers wherever possible.

leave weed alone.

my opinion.

thankyou.

[dannno]

Actually it is currently the (relatively) low price of heroin contributing to the surge in usage. People got addicted to prescription pain killers but turned to heroin as a cheaper alternative to get the same effect.

Why do you think, in a free market where drugs are legalized, that prescription forms of opiates would cost $60-$100/pill???

They wouldn't. Because nobody would buy them.

Opiate pill 'doses' would cost like $1 a pill or less probably.

Like Ron Paul once said, "drugs are worthless"

What he meant by that was drugs on their own are largely worthless, they have very little value. It is extremely cheap to manufacture drugs. What gives them value is the war on drugs and the black market (also the FDA and drug patents). When he made that statement, I knew precisely what he meant immediately, but I also realized most people wouldn't "get it" because he didn't really explain what he meant.

So people who want pain relief using opiates would probably turn to opium, which would be cheaper than heroin in a free market because it requires less processing than heroin. It is less addictive.

[dannno]

i realize that, but i also realize that this will never happen.

Maybe not now but wait a few years after Jeff Sessions dies. When old people die there is a pretty good shot at something like that happening.

The reason cannabis is legal in many places now is because a lot of old people died. It's as simple as that. Kinda sad way to think about it, but what are you going to do.

[Zippyjuan]

Why do you think, in a free market where drugs are legalized, that prescription forms of opiates would cost $60-$100/pill???

They wouldn't. Because nobody would buy them.

Opiate pill 'doses' would cost like $1 a pill or less probably.

Like Ron Paul once said, "drugs are worthless"

What he meant by that was drugs on their own are largely worthless, they have very little value. It is extremely cheap to manufacture drugs. What gives them value is the war on drugs and the black market (also the FDA and drug patents). When he made that statement, I knew precisely what he meant immediately, but I also realized most people wouldn't "get it" because he didn't really explain what he meant.

So people who want pain relief using opiates would probably turn to opium, which would be cheaper than heroin in a free market because it requires less processing than heroin. It is less addictive.

Opium is still addictive. https://www.addictions.com/opiate/how-addictive-is-opium-understanding-the-process-of-addiction/


Opium is derived from a juice emitted from poppies and contains several alkaloids such as morphine, codeine, thebaine, papaverine, and noscapine. It has been used for centuries as a ritual, recreational, and medicinal drug, but because of its highly addictive nature, opium and its opiate derivatives such as heroin and a majority of narcotic painkillers prescribed annually, have been placed on the Schedules for Controlled Substances by the Drug Enforcement Administration Office of Diversion Control.

http://lighthouserecoveryinstitute.com/the-truth-about-smoking-opium-its-strange-effects/


Opium isn’t very different from powerful painkillers like oxycodone or hydromorphone or illegal “street” drugs like heroin. It’s an opioid. It produces intense euphoria and relaxation. Opium produces physical dependence and withdrawal symptoms.

The fact that it’s old doesn’t mean the physical or psychological effects of opium are any different from other opioids.

[phill4paul]

yep, saw that comment from Ron.

I agree with Ron on a load of topics except this one.

and as far as the communist snowflake comment of 'trumphumpers'.....phuck you.


heroin users threaten my freedom and liberty, and yours.

i don't like some fucked up heroin freak busting into my house, or stealing shit from my yard.

where's my 'rights' on this issue?...seems you want heroin addicts to have more freedom to pillage....gtfo.

Here since 2008 and still an authoritarian that needs the government to watch out for him and keep him safe. SMDH. It's no wonder you hump for Trump. Probably scared of terrorists too. And Mexicans. Better check out under the bed. Correct that. Better have someone from the Government check under the bed for you.

[CPUd]

863086484185808896
https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/863086484185808896

[Zippyjuan]

Maybe not now but wait a few years after Jeff Sessions dies. When old people die there is a pretty good shot at something like that happening.

The reason cannabis is legal in many places now is because a lot of old people died. It's as simple as that. Kinda sad way to think about it, but what are you going to do.

Old people been dying for millennia.

I disagree with Sessions wanting maximum sentencing for drug crimes but I also don't think that certain drugs like heroin should be legal and freely available.

[phill4paul]

Old people been dying for millennia.

I disagree with Sessions wanting maximum sentencing for drug crimes but I also don't think that certain drugs like heroin should be legal and freely available.

Authoritarians usually don't.

[dannno]

Opium is still addictive. https://www.addictions.com/opiate/how-addictive-is-opium-understanding-the-process-of-addiction/

http://lighthouserecoveryinstitute.com/the-truth-about-smoking-opium-its-strange-effects/

So are cheetos.

Opium is MUCH LESS addictive than heroin. Heroin destroys your red blood cells. When you do heroin for a long period of time, and then stop, you feel like you have the flu or something awful.. So you do more heroin so you don't feel sick, but that kills more red blood cells and when you come down again you feel even worse.

I did opium for four days straight one weekend in college. Then we ran out. Then we didn't buy any more because we had classes and shit. It was not an issue at all.

[CPUd]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_ouSSdUMAEd59o.jpg:large

[dannno]

863086484185808896
https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/863086484185808896

Glad this is picking up traction, I was going to tweet Rand but I figured the wheel would be in motion soon anyway. I'm already getting emails from the Drug Policy Alliance. People are pissed.

[CPUd]

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/2123

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/3713/related-bills

[phill4paul]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_ouSSdUMAEd59o.jpg:large

It affects more than minorities. I really wish Rand wouldn't do this. This is not solely a minority issue and to frame as one would turn some away that may support change but automatically turn off when minorities are mentioned.
It's like BLM. I'm not a fan of cops and their tactics. But the minute it becomes a BLM and a "fuck Whitey" situation I couldn't give a shit.

[Origanalist]

And this gets placed right here...


How Could it Have Been Worse?

https://ericpetersautos.com/2017/05/12/how-could-it-have-been-worse/

By eric - May 12, 2017

Maybe it would have been wiser to just sit the last one out. Or even to have done like Khan in Star Trek II and – for hate’s sake – voted for her.

Why not, after all?

It might have turned out better.

Obamacare wasn’t going away in any case; I think we all knew that, deep down. The idea of the feds ever voluntarily giving back power once acquired is preposterous. It is a thing only fools and children could possibly believe in, like Santa Claus.

Under her, we would still have Obamacare, of course. But under him, we are now to be dunned $3,000 for each year we elect not to be “covered.” This will have the effect of turning hundreds of thousands of people – possibly millions – into debt slaves or “criminals” or both. A person – young, not much money or perhaps self-employed – goes “without coverage” (but not costing anyone a cent) for say five years and now he “owes” the insurance mafia $15,000. Will the government seize his bank accounts and property and dun his paycheck to collect it on behalf of the mafia?

This is what is meant by Repeal and Replace.

Instead of the so-called Individual Mandate, which belts us with a punitive tax paid to the government annually for failing to purchase coverage, we are to be dunned by the insurance mafia – backed by the government – if we elect not to be covered and two to three times as much.

That is the Republicans’ idea of a “market-based health care reform.”

Big corporations using the government to rob us. We might as well all be stamping out license plates in a federal pen someplace.

It gets worse – of course.

She would not have been as vicious as he is becoming with regard to arbitrarily illegal drugs. They would of course have remained illegal; there is simply too much money and power in it to ever allow the War on Some Drugs to peter out entirely. But a North Korean-style jihad against non-violent users/sellers of arbitrarily illegal drugs would likely not have been initiated under her Leadership.

We are about to get exactly that – a jihad – under his Leadership.

The worst sort of jihad. Moralistic braying about the arbitrary “sinful” conduct of others, which is the sort of thing Republicans specialize in.

This ought to make especially Libertarians cringe – those who “held their noses” and voted for him as the lesser of two evils, or a kind of damage control/firewall against the perceived looming depredations of her.

As bad as Leader Obama was – and as bad as Leader Hillary would have been – we now have Leader Trump and it not only makes no difference, the difference is becoming worse.

She at least had to pay some lip service to the putative mild-mannered humanism of the far-from-Jeffersonian “liberalism” she and hers pretend to represent. After all, the Democrats care about people.

Republicans suffer under no such impediment.

His people care about Law and Order. About crushing enemies, seeing them driven before them and hearing the lamentations of their women. They are perpetually priapic about The Homeland and might as well begin playing Die Fahne Hoch at their rallies. They love The Flag and all it represents – which is to say, government power.

Their power.

And what good is power if you don’t use it?

Against non-violent users and sellers of arbitrarily illegal drugs, for instance? But that is small potatoes. The real itchy-triggerdness is directed against – as always – The Enemies of Freedom abroad.

These are located very far abroad. So far abroad they are literally incapable of so much as poking Our Freedoms in the ribs. Yet they must be shown who is boss by the Big Boss, who not only itches to say You’re Fired! but also itches to fire something – many things – at these Enemies of Freedom. It keeps the flags waving, you see – and also disposes of some otherwise useless military surplus which will, of course, need to be replaced (never repealed) at tremendous expense.

Else Our Freedoms will be in jeopardy.

Because, you see, ten 100,000 ton nuclear powered aircraft carriers and 18 Ohio Class nuclear subs each carrying a dozen nuclear-tipped missiles and then another 10,000 or so nukes stored away in various places in the Homeland plus about 8,000 jet fighters, bombers and other military aircraft of various types and an annual budget of around $600 billion isn’t quite sufficient to protect Our Freedoms from evildoers abroad.

He wants more of all these things. Like Herman Goring at Karinhall, who played with his trains while his pet lion gamboled in the background.

She would have stolen and spent our money on things, too – including War Things. But probably less so. Which was what we – those of us who got Charlie Brown’d by his Lucy – expected him to do.

Now we’re getting it and then some – a worse-than-Obamacare federal bayonet in our backs plus a Drug War on Viagra and the always-more-fervent Republican fetish for The Troops and anything wrapped in The Flag.

It’s like a tent revival scene from the ’30s, sweaty and turgid.

Or another kind of revival.

Cue Die Fahne Hoch.

Will Grigg's must be mind melding with Erik Peters from the grave. That was spot on.

[Origanalist]

It affects more than minorities. I really wish Rand wouldn't do this. This is not solely a minority issue and to frame as one would turn some away that may support change but automatically turn off when minorities are mentioned.
It's like BLM. I'm not a fan of cops and their tactics. But the minute it becomes a BLM and a "fuck Whitey" situation I couldn't give a shit.

I agree, this is not a race issue and he shouldn't make it Into one.

[Anti Federalist]

I disagree with Sessions wanting maximum sentencing for drug crimes but I also don't think that certain drugs like heroin should be legal and freely available.

Why not?

It was 80 years ago.

The world did not end, the republic did not fall apart.

[Origanalist]

So if it is legalized, nobody will abuse it. Interesting. Alcohol is legal. Maybe that has stopped people from abusing it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/22/americans-are-drinking-themselves-to-death-at-record-rates/?utm_term=.573ee2af3e7c

What are you babbling about? He never said anything like that.

(guess I should have kept reading, lol)

[heavenlyboy34]

Why not?

It was 80 years ago.

The world did not end, the republic did not fall apart.

This^^ And cocaine was advertised at Walgreen's in the weekly flyer rather regularly. Good as a pain killer, local anesthetic, etc. Freud was a fanboy.

[JK/SEA]

Here since 2008 and still an authoritarian that needs the government to watch out for him and keep him safe. SMDH. It's no wonder you hump for Trump. Probably scared of terrorists too. And Mexicans. Better check out under the bed. Correct that. Better have someone from the Government check under the bed for you.

i'm not that concerned with my safety as much as i am with my kids and grand daughter

looks like you're going to that old fall back position of 'debating' a topic by ad hominum attacks. Very disappointed in you Phil...oh well...flame on.

tighten up on the smuggling of this heroin 'product', bust dealers whenever possible, and treat those addicted by the stuff, because putting them in jail serves zero purpose.

i don't think 'legalizing' heroin is the way to go.

[phill4paul]

i'm not that concerned with my safety as much as i am with my kids and grand daughter

looks like you're going to that old fall back position of 'debating' a topic by ad hominum attacks. Very disappointed in you Phil...oh well...flame on.

tighten up on the smuggling of this heroin 'product', bust dealers whenever possible, and treat those addicted by the stuff, because putting them in jail serves zero purpose.

i don't think 'legalizing' heroin is the way to go.

What's to debate? You're a scared shit-less authoritarian that needs a government to keep you and yours safe in life. Your position is known. It's not like you haven't been here since '08 and have not heard every counter point to your beliefs.

[JK/SEA]

What's to debate? You're a scared shit-less authoritarian that needs a government to keep you and yours safe in life. Your position is known. It's not like you haven't been here since '08 and have not heard every counter point to your beliefs.

you aren't very good at characterizing someone are you?

i'm not an 'authortarian'...i'm a 'realist' who lives in the here and now, not some 'fantasy' world ideailist as yourself, and many others in here as well.

[tod evans]

heroin users threaten my freedom and liberty, and yours.

i don't like some fucked up heroin freak busting into my house, or stealing shit from my yard.

where's my 'rights' on this issue?...seems you want heroin addicts to have more freedom to pillage....gtfo.

If heroin, or meth or,or...........were no longer illegal the biggest threat to you and yours would be decomposing bodies from the OD's...

Not rape, robbery and mayhem.....

For the first 6 months the buzzards would feast then dopers wouldn't be an issue........

Rogue, out of work kops and kourt employees would be another issue altogether...They'd be looking at what you have when their gravy train ended.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

..I don't think that certain drugs like heroin should be legal and freely available.


Where's free heroin?

[r3volution 3.0]

If heroin, or meth or,or...........were no longer illegal the biggest threat to you and yours would be decomposing bodies from the OD's...

Not rape, robbery and mayhem.....

For the first 6 months the buzzards would feast then dopers wouldn't be an issue........

Rogue, out of work kops and kourt employees would be another issue altogether...They'd be looking at what you have when their gravy train ended.

Well said

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Alcohol is legal. Maybe that has stopped people from abusing it.




Who forced you to drink alcohol?

[Brett85]

I'm torn on this issue.

On one hand, I believe people should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies, including take any drug they please.

On the other hand, I've seen so many lives, so many families, ruined by drugs.

I feel like in giving people freedom, we're also giving them the rope to hang themselves with.

It's a complex issue, isn't it?

Are you being serious? You do realize that people have ruined their lives by using drugs even though we have laws against it, right?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/80/f7/34/80f734a1cb9f77c96b12ab863ed856a7.jpg

[twomp]

i'm not that concerned with my safety as much as i am with my kids and grand daughter

Oh yes, we can't forget about the children! Think about the children!!! Why stop at drugs? Guns kill children too!!

[otherone]

So if it is legalized, nobody will abuse it. Interesting. Alcohol is legal. Maybe that has stopped people from abusing it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/22/americans-are-drinking-themselves-to-death-at-record-rates/?utm_term=.573ee2af3e7c

Yah.
Prohibition works.

[otherone]

heroin users threaten my freedom and liberty, and yours.

i don't like some $#@!ed up heroin freak busting into my house, or stealing $#@! from my yard.

where's my 'rights' on this issue?...seems you want heroin addicts to have more freedom to pillage....gtfo.

Goodness. Freedom is scary, lady.

[Antischism]

Jeff Sessions is human garbage.

[Origanalist]

i'm not that concerned with my safety as much as i am with my kids and grand daughter

looks like you're going to that old fall back position of 'debating' a topic by ad hominum attacks. Very disappointed in you Phil...oh well...flame on.

tighten up on the smuggling of this heroin 'product', bust dealers whenever possible, and treat those addicted by the stuff, because putting them in jail serves zero purpose.

i don't think 'legalizing' heroin is the way to go.

So you support the war on drugs, but only for some drugs.

[JK/SEA]

So you support the war on drugs, but only for some drugs.

heroin.

you really want to legalize heroin?

the 'war on drugs' term needs to be eliminated.

too bad we can't see the future.

[JK/SEA]

Oh yes, we can't forget about the children! Think about the children!!! Why stop at drugs? Guns kill children too!!

you have kids and own guns i assume...

why?

[JK/SEA]

Goodness. Freedom is scary, lady.

i have God given rights to be as concerned about my safety, and my family's safety as much that is necessary. Your mileage may differ.

being for Freedom, is also not becoming a fool.

[Origanalist]

heroin.

you really want to legalize heroin?

the 'war on drugs' term needs to be eliminated.

too bad we can't see the future.
Would eliminating the term make it any different? I'm against the government telling me or anyone else what they can and can't put in their bodies at the point of a gun period.

[dannno]

heroin.

you really want to legalize heroin?

the 'war on drugs' term needs to be eliminated.

too bad we can't see the future.

Like I said, heroin is only popular because of the war on drugs. If you ended the war on drugs, heroin production would eventually drop substantially while other types of opiate based products that are less dangerous and less addictive would increase.

You can't say you only want heroin illegal because you want less heroin, that doesn't make any sense, unless you legalized all opiates except for heroin.

Some people have severe pain on occasion, others have pretty severe pain on a regular basis. People need pain killers, opiates are a fantastic pain killer for more severe pain.

Some people's emotional pain translates into physical pain and these people often experience opiate abuse.

But the point is if you are going to hold up ending the entire war on drugs because of heroin, you are creating a much bigger demand for heroin.

[JK/SEA]

Would eliminating the term make it any different? I'm against the government telling me or anyone else what they can and can't put in their bodies at the point of a gun period.

well, its not what i was suggesting, but i realize the AG is the topic here and i agree with half his idea on this. I need more details on his plan. Sending memos to the US Attorney's isn't cutting it for me.

This issue isn't a done deal.

I gave my opinion, and its around here somewhere....brb.

[phill4paul]

you aren't very good at characterizing someone are you?

i'm not an 'authortarian'...i'm a 'realist' who lives in the here and now, not some 'fantasy' world ideailist as yourself, and many others in here as well.

Your are exactly as I characterized. Or at least that is how you present yourself. Don't want to be characterized a certain way? Don't present yourself in that manner. Pretty simple.
You are immasculated. Incapable of taking care of yourself and yours. You feel the need for a government that will take care of your fears for you. Scared shit-less authoritarian.

[Anti Federalist]

heroin.

you really want to legalize heroin?

the 'war on drugs' term needs to be eliminated.

too bad we can't see the future.

Yes, yes I do.

I firmly believe that most all of the negative social consequences that you are (rightly) concerned about will be reduced or entirely eliminated if heroin was cheap, unadulterated, and legal.

[phill4paul]

you have kids and own guns i assume...

why?

Perhaps because he doesn't choose to hide behind a governments apron stings?

[JK/SEA]

Like I said, heroin is only popular because of the war on drugs. If you ended the war on drugs, heroin production would eventually drop substantially while other types of opiate based products that are less dangerous and less addictive would increase.

You can't say you only want heroin illegal because you want less heroin, that doesn't make any sense, unless you legalized all opiates except for heroin.

Some people have severe pain on occasion, others have pretty severe pain on a regular basis. People need pain killers, opiates are a fantastic pain killer for more severe pain.

Some people's emotional pain translates into physical pain and these people often experience opiate abuse.

But the point is if you are going to hold up ending the entire war on drugs because of heroin, you are creating a much bigger demand for heroin.

Good points Danno.

Lets try this, seeing how we're in fantasy mode in here.

By eliminating the term 'war' on drugs the issue of drugs would then need a new mantra, in the same vein as the alcohol problems. Alcohol addiction has its own term. Its considered a 'disease', and i feel it would lessen the caustic debate over freedom, and the confusion over whether or not to legalize.

Focus on smuggling. Then if this helps, either get rid of the Scheduling list, or single out heroin as a disease. LE0 can then focus on any violent crime associated with heroin via policy.

This may take a few weeks to implement.

[JK/SEA]

Perhaps because he doesn't choose to hide behind a governments apron stings?

what does this mean?..

obviously you come from a 'different' view point than me...:rolleyes:

[JK/SEA]

Yes, yes I do.

I firmly believe that most all of the negative social consequences that you are (rightly) concerned about will be reduced or entirely eliminated if heroin was cheap, unadulterated, and legal.

can we associate heroin with alcohol?...kinda the same but not really?..

i'm just asking a question, not dissing your opinion.

[otherone]

i have God given rights to be as concerned about my safety, and my family's safety as much that is necessary. Your mileage may differ.

being for Freedom, is also not becoming a fool.

"Concerns about your safety" does not justifying violating someones' rights. You don't live in the "real" world, you live in a fear-filled world. By voicing your "right" to not be afraid, you are validating all the "muh feelz" who empower government.

[JK/SEA]

"Concerns about your safety" does not justifying violating someones' rights. You don't live in the "real" world, you live in a fear-filled world. By voicing your "right" to not be afraid, you are validating all the "muh feelz" who empower government.

why do you hate the Constitution/Bill of Rights?

[otherone]

why do you hate the Constitution/Bill of Rights?

Because it created a country of pussies who turn to government when they feel threatened.

[phill4paul]

Because it created a country of pussies who turn to government when they feel threatened.

+rep.

[tod evans]

i have God given rights to be as concerned about my safety, and my family's safety as much that is necessary. Your mileage may differ.

being for Freedom, is also not becoming a fool.

Me too!

Difference being I don't want your government involved, not for protecting me, not for protecting those whom I fear.

One size does not fit all, that's why fed-gov was restrained, or is supposed to be restrained......50 states that today are homogeneous for want of federal lucre doesn't give a man a choice of who or what he subjects himself to.....

[phill4paul]

what does this mean?..

obviously you come from a 'different' view point than me...:rolleyes:

Does anybody else not understand what I mean by this....


Perhaps because he doesn't choose to hide behind a governments apron stings?

or do you think JK/SEA is being obtuse?

[otherone]

Does anybody else not understand what I mean by this....



or do you think JK/SEA is being obtuse?

Nah.
He's just trying to weasel out of his pro-nanny state rhetoric.

[Anti Federalist]

can we associate heroin with alcohol?...kinda the same but not really?..

i'm just asking a question, not dissing your opinion.

Yes, I don't see why not.

People are dying today because "heroin" is actually poison, it's been stomped on, cut and adulterated to the point that you can't be sure what the fuck it is in that envelope.

Just like people were dying from adulterated alcohol during prohibition.

[phill4paul]

Yes, I don't see why not.

People are dying today because "heroin" is actually poison, it's been stomped on, cut and adulterated to the point that you can't be sure what the fuck it is in that envelope.

Just like people were dying from adulterated alcohol during prohibition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaica_ginger

[juleswin]

Hillary would have been worse

[Anti Federalist]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaica_ginger

Indeed.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2010/02/the_chemists_war.html

[Danke]

Hillary would have been worse


That's a good point.

[oyarde]

Hillary would have been worse

Interesting , We need a poll .

[spudea]

how about change the laws? and not rely on a merciful interpretation of guidelines that can be reinterpreted again and again depending on unelected sycophants.

[tod evans]

how about change the laws? and not rely on a merciful interpretation of guidelines that can be reinterpreted again and again depending on unelected sycophants.

How about repealing them?

If new 'laws' must be written write them in such a way as to avoid any future prohibition legislation under penalty of public execution if such legislation is even purposed...

[nikcers]

LOCK HER UP LOCK HER UP LOCK THEM UP

[AuH20]

Hillary would have been worse

That's pretty much self-explanatory. TPP died. Gorsuch has been nominated. I'm not content with Trump and even I can recognize this. However, the bar was set much higher than to simply not be Hillary.

[r3volution 3.0]

TPP died.

A. That's probably not a good thing.

B. It was already dead anyway because of Congressional opposition.

C. Hillary eventually bowed to protectionist pressure from the Bernie Bros and came out against it herself.


Gorsuch has been nominated.

TBD..

[Weston White]

Better buy correction company stocks and profit from all the cancer patience put in jail for smoking pot.

Now that is Freudian.

[H. E. Panqui]

...the republican-radio airwaves are a-twitter in support of the conservative republican prohibitionist fool, sessions...

...how can anyone claim to support even basic [individual] liberty/freedom when they can't even get it through their fat republicrat-radio head that, in a just society, medication/ingestion is CLEARLY the choice/responsibility of the individual....and not some majority of republicrat village idiots in some legislature...

...conservative republicans...ugh...

[GunnyFreedom]

Per Sessions jacked up "logic," strict Federal Sentencing mandatory minimum guidelines equals 'no federal interference' while allowing judges to have local discretion is 'too much federal interference.' This is why he claims to be a 'conservative' who opposes big fedgov involvement. He seems to honestly believe that more bigger more powerful federal government is a small government position. :rolleyes:

[surf]

do you have evidence imported weed is not full of pesticides and chemical fertilizers?....

someone close to me is a level 4 grower in Washington State, and all the weed he grows is suitable for vegans.imported from... Ballard? Duvall? c'mon.

as an acquaintance has gained some bureaucratic endorsement (level 4...?), it's starting to make sense why you would have such brazen disdain for free markets. and vegans are a pain in the ass.

[kcchiefs6465]

heroin users threaten my freedom and liberty, and yours.

i don't like some fucked up heroin freak busting into my house, or stealing shit from my yard.

where's my 'rights' on this issue?...seems you want heroin addicts to have more freedom to pillage....gtfo.
You're... still pretty goddamn dim.

[bunklocoempire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGlsQIgz_x8

[Zippyjuan]

Per Sessions jacked up "logic," strict Federal Sentencing mandatory minimum guidelines equals 'no federal interference' while allowing judges to have local discretion is 'too much federal interference.' This is why he claims to be a 'conservative' who opposes big fedgov involvement. He seems to honestly believe that more bigger more powerful federal government is a small government position. :rolleyes:

Government off his back- on the backs of everybody else. The "lower classes" should all be locked up forever.

[PierzStyx]

heroin users threaten my freedom and liberty, and yours.

i don't like some $#@!ed up heroin freak busting into my house, or stealing $#@! from my yard.

where's my 'rights' on this issue?...seems you want heroin addicts to have more freedom to pillage....gtfo.

Straw man. If you can't recognize the difference between someone having the freedom to use and abuse their body a sthey choose and violating the rights of others then you're missing a basic understanding of what it means to be free. Next you'll be telling me no one should be allowed to own guns because they could hurt others with them.

Funny you call me a Communist when you want to give the Federal government the power to regulate, restrict, and control the human body all the way to the point that they get to decide what you can and cannot ingest. That is the collectivization of the individual's control of their own human body and human health. You're the one actually endorsing Communistic government power.

[nikcers]

This is proof Trump is part of the deep state. His pro blue speeches today were political capital for this. He is selling this idea that there is a war against police not against people. Who makes money off these illegal drugs? The deep state does, they will get their monopoly back and hand outs from private prisons. We got to end the war on police though, so now when people get upset that police are locking people up for non violent crimes we are making war against police.

[nikcers]

This is to combat the opioid epidemic? The government answer is there is no solution so lets lock them up? This is what happens when you force governments to solve problems they created. Its like paying the robber to help you look for your missing stuff.

[Madison320]

I'm torn on this issue.

On one hand, I believe people should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies, including take any drug they please.

On the other hand, I've seen so many lives, so many families, ruined by drugs.

I feel like in giving people freedom, we're also giving them the rope to hang themselves with.

It's a complex issue, isn't it?

I agree that some issues are more complex and are not that cut and dried but drug laws are not one of them. It's a no brainer. All drugs should be legal.

[Madison320]

heroin users threaten my freedom and liberty, and yours.

i don't like some $#@!ed up heroin freak busting into my house, or stealing $#@! from my yard.

where's my 'rights' on this issue?...seems you want heroin addicts to have more freedom to pillage....gtfo.

If we made everything that "might" lead to a crime a crime, there'd be a lot of crime.

[CPUd]

Related:
The US government is already backing out of promise to phase out private prisons (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?504742-The-US-government-is-already-backing-out-of-promise-to-phase-out-private-prisons)
Private prison stocks jump after Trump official says feds will continue using facilities (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?507968-Private-prison-stocks-jump-after-Trump-official-says-feds-will-continue-using-facilities)

[CCTelander]

Indeed.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2010/02/the_chemists_war.html


The true nature of the state on display for everyone to see. And most will continue to worship it, and demand that the rest of us do likewise, or else.

[shakey1]

The fed has no real interest in ending the war on drugs... too much money to be made. If there were to be a national referendum on the issue of legality, we could put an end to the madness... what are the odds?

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder20/400x/66740020.jpg