5000 troops slated for new Afghan surge

[GunnyFreedom]

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.


May 8, 2017
Trump sinking America deeper into Afghan quagmire
By Ed Straker
President Trump is planning to send up to 5,000 additional American soldiers into Afghanistan to complement the 10,000 already there. Let's look at some numbers first:

1) $117 billion. That's the amount of money we've spent on "development" projects in Afghanistan, much of which has been siphoned off for waste and corruption.

2) $50 billion. That's how much money has been spent on military operations in Afghanistan alone in the past year.

3) A trillion dollars. That's estimated to be the total cost of the war so far.

4) 2,400. That's the number of Americans killed in Afghanistan in combat. Many times more were wounded.

5) 50%. That's the portion of the country the Taliban control, after all of our efforts above.

And what have we gotten for all this effort? After spending billions on rebuilding Afghanistan, the locals hate us. They despise our culture and our freedoms. The government steals as much of our aid money as it can.

After 16 years, the army still cannot defend itself. The leaders of the army are corrupt and siphon off military aid; the soldiers run away and hide.

The Taliban control nearly half the country. How have they managed to do that with spending less than 1% of what we have on the conflict? The answer is simple: the Afghan people love the Taliban. They love radical Islamic fundamentalism. They love tribalism. That's why they fight for the Taliban and why they won't fight for our vision of a liberal, pluralistic, unified Afghanistan.

Read from this insider who has been to Afghanistan and seen firsthand:

[A] team of soldiers and I were buttoned up inside the massive armored gun-trucks, juddering down rutted tracks as Pashtun men beside the road scowled and glared at us. The Afghans clearly weren't valuing the American efforts. The navigator suddenly pointed – "IEDs."… The tribesmen, yet un-subdued, were just waiting for their time.

The insurgents now control about half of the country. Taliban shadow governments operate in virtually every province, and control several of them[.] ...

Contorted by the enormous illegal opium industry, the Afghan government ranks among the world's most corrupt; 9th on the Fragile States Index that assesses states' vulnerability to conflict or collapse. The World Justice Project's 2016 Rule of Law Index ranked Afghanistan 111 out of 113 countries assessed. The poorly commanded and deeply infiltrated Afghan security forces are losing the war.

And yet the Trump administration wants to send a few thousand more troops in. It's a failed effort, and from past history, it is clear it will make no difference. All that will happen is that more American money will be spent, and more Americans will die.

A better alternative: pull out. Let the Taliban take over the country.

Read More:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/05/trump_sinking_america_deeper_into_afghan_quagmire. html

[CPUd]

Hopefully, this will prevent a military boondoggle and end the war on terror.

[nikcers]

Hopefully, this will prevent a military boondoggle and end the war on terror.

Maybe if they are only there for like 15 minutes. They have to fight them there, so they don't have to fight them here. What's 5000 more troops if we save western civilization?

[shakey1]

War is a big money hole... it's sucking the life outta this country. After 16 years you'd think there would be some protest.

http://allnewspipeline.com/images/1sno.jpg

[twomp]

This is exactly how you stay out of a boondoggle. Fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here.

[dannno]

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

That's a very short-sighted comment.. there is a lot more going on here if you are paying attention.





President McMaster? — McMaster to Meet with Trump to Discuss Who is Running the White House

President Trump and his NSA H.R. McMaster have an important meeting scheduled for tomorrow morning. During this meeting they will discuss an important question — Who is President?

#NeverTrump and pro-Iraq war pundit David Frum wishes it were McMaster, whose conduct suggests he agrees with Frum.

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Bill Kristol, one of the architects of the Iraq War, also praised McMaster repeatedly.
Trump has becoming increasingly frustrated with “President McMaster.”

McMaster breached chain-of-command protocol by unilaterally appointing Ricky Waddell has his deputy (https://medium.com/@Cernovich/mcmaster-hires-major-general-ricky-waddell-as-deputy-nsa-without-trumps-approval-612b788f058f). Before that he attempted to hire a proven fraud, Linda Weissgold (yes, the Benghazi liar), to work at NSC.
McMaster Interviewed CIA Operative to Replace Trump NSC Official (http://www.weeklystandard.com/mcmaster-interviewed-cia-operative-to-replace-trump-nsc-official/article/2007219)

In her position at OTA, she was also involved directly in drafting the now infamous Benghazi talking points (http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-benghazi-talking-points/article/720543), which government officials revised heavily to include factually incorrect assessments that stated the attackers were prompted by protests. According to the House Select Committee on Benghazi’s report (https://benghazi.house.gov/sites/republicans.benghazi.house.gov/files/documents/Part%20II_Redacted.pdf), Weissgold testified she had changed one such talking point to say that extremists in Benghazi with ties to al Qaeda had been involved in “protests” in the Libyan city, despite the fact that no such protests had occurred there on the day of the attack.
McMaster also overruled Trump on North Korea (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/30/mcmaster-says-us-will-pay-for-thaad-anti-missile-system-in-south-korea.html), leaked fake anti-Bannon articles to the media (https://medium.com/@Cernovich/deep-state-drama-mcmaster-using-leaks-to-fake-news-to-push-out-steve-bannon-ee0e6cdc7c61), and pushed for a ground war in Syria (https://medium.com/@Cernovich/petraeus-and-mcmaster-have-taken-over-the-nsc-want-massive-ground-war-with-syria-e67b71a9076a) and massive new surge in Afghanistan (https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-05-01/making-afghanistan-great-again).


McMaster will likely “fall up” to four-star general.

Trump is not interested more stories about personnel issues, and thus the Pentagon is looking for four-star general positions. The current Vice Chief of Staff of the Army’s tenure is winding to a close, and McMaster is being considered for that role.



National Security Advisor McMaster May Accept Role as Army Vice Chief of Staff, Receive Promotion…
Current NSA H.R. McMaster is under consideration for a promotion to full General, multiple sources with knowledge of…medium.com (https://medium.com/@Cernovich/national-security-advisor-h-b9d42ccd7b0)
Other sources suggest McMaster may replace General John W. Nicholson Jr., the top commander in Afghanistan.
McMaster, for his part, has not enjoyed his role as NSA.

McMaster is an armor officer at heart, and finds the work of the NSA tedious and unrewarding.


He has currently presented five plans to intervene in various parts of the world, including most recently in Venezuela — a plan favored by Dina Habib Powell and Niki Haley.


https://medium.com/@Cernovich/president-mcmaster-mcmaster-to-meet-with-trump-to-discuss-who-is-running-the-white-house-f702acaa5be3

[CaptUSA]

War is a big money hole... it's sucking the life outta this country. After 16 years you'd think there would be some protest.

Give 'em time. It's hard to go to sleep for 8 years and not wake up being a little groggy. Right now, the pathetic protests are all about wanting free stuff and violation of "feelings". Soon, though, they'll care about killing again. (Until another "D" gets elected)

[CCTelander]

Man, this 4D chess is confusing. This looks an aweful lot like the kind of shameless warmongering that Bush and Obama engaged in, but that can't be right, can it? Guess I'll just have to wait for someone to Trumpsplain it for me.

[Root]

The 5000 person surge must be to help the forces already with packing up and then going home, no?

[AZJoe]

Bout time for a new splurge.
Got to throw some money around for the good 'ol MIC.

[William Tell]

What the hell, man???? And people are making excuses for this??

[dannno]

What the hell, man???? And people are making excuses for this??

Let's see you fight better against the deep state :rolleyes:

[William Tell]

Let's see you fight better against the deep state :rolleyes:

The fat lady at the circus fights better against the deep state every day, sitting on her ass and eating 4 gallons of ice cream.

[dannno]

The fat lady at the circus fights better against the deep state every day, sitting on her ass and eating 4 gallons of ice cream.

Lol, so you think we would be better off with McMaster as President :rolleyes:

You think Gorsuch would have been nominated? You think we would be rolling back regulations at a rate of 2:1?

[phill4paul]

Let's see you fight better against the deep state :rolleyes:

So Trumps plan is to nominate the deep state and then fire them? :rolleyes:

[Lamp]

Buchanan's probably losing his mind right about now.

[William Tell]

Lol, so you think we would be better off with McMaster as President :rolleyes: No I think we'd be better off if Trump didn't send another 5k of our boys and girls into the meat grinder....


You think Gorsuch would have been nominated? Trump could have appointed Gorsuch without sending another 5,000 troops to be killed by the Afghans.



You think we would be rolling back regulations at a rate of 2:1? Most impressive of you and Trump. :D Tell him to pick up the pace, it should be about 100,000 to one.

[Influenza]

Lol, so you think we would be better off with McMaster as President :rolleyes:

You think Gorsuch would have been nominated? You think we would be rolling back regulations at a rate of 2:1?

It's just sad reading your posts thread after thread. Your argument is no different than this:

So you think we would have been better off with McCain or Romney as president? :rolleyes: We would still have the travel ban on Cuba and wouldn't have the Iran deal. We'd still have over 100,000 troops in Iraq. Obama is incredible, believe me. He's doing the best he can against the deep state, let's see you do better

[phill4paul]

It's just sad reading your posts thread after thread. Your argument is no different than this:

So you think we would have been better off with McCain or Romney as president? :rolleyes: We would still have the travel ban on Cuba and wouldn't have the Iran deal. We'd still have over 100,000 troops in Iraq. Obama is incredible, believe me. He's doing the best he can against the deep state, let's see you do better

Pretty much.

[oyarde]

Sad to hear .

[dannno]

It's just sad reading your posts thread after thread. Your argument is no different than this:

So you think we would have been better off with McCain or Romney as president? :rolleyes: We would still have the travel ban on Cuba and wouldn't have the Iran deal. We'd still have over 100,000 troops in Iraq. Obama is incredible, believe me. He's doing the best he can against the deep state, let's see you do better

I've already addressed this numerous times. McCain and Romney were deep state stooges. They wouldn't have nominated a Constitutional Conservative Judge, they would have led us into more boondoggle wars and greatly expanded government. Just like Obama was a deep state stooge, he was supposed to get us out of wars and ended up getting us into even more boondoggles.

Trump hasn't even been in 6 months, you can't call him a boondoggle President unless he has overseen a military boondoggle for at least a year or two.

[phill4paul]

I've already addressed this numerous times. McCain and Romney were deep state stooges. They wouldn't have nominated a Constitutional Conservative Judge, they would have led us into more boondoggle wars and greatly expanded government. Just like Obama was a deep state stooge, he was supposed to get us out of wars and ended up getting us into even more boondoggles.

Trump hasn't even been in 6 months, you can't call him a boondoggle President unless he has overseen a military boondoggle for at least a year or two.

Hell, why be so restrictive? You should at least give him until his second nomination when he has nothing to lose and can really shake things up!

[PierzStyx]

That's a very short-sighted comment.. there is a lot more going on here if you are paying attention.

So either Trump is too stupid to understand how bad war is, too greedy to give a damn, too powerhungry to end the war, or too weak to stop those who would. Coward, weak, or evil, none of those qualities befit someone in power.

[phill4paul]

So either Trump is too stupid to understand how bad war is, too greedy to give a damn, too powerhungry to end the war, or too weak to stop those who would. Coward, weak, or evil, none of those qualities befit someone in power.

Quit paying attention.

[PierzStyx]

Let's see you fight better against the deep state :rolleyes:

Actually overthrowing Deep State influence is simple. You merely have to nominate someone who cares more about the country than their press. The Deep State relies on the illusion of legitimacy granted by civilian authorities elected to office. If that legitimacy is revoked then the Deep State would lose all its power a sit is revealed for what it is. Trouble is no elected official is willing to take that risk and lose office. Certainly not a narcissist like Trump. Last person to run that would have done what it takes? Ron Paul.

[dannno]

Hell, why be so restrictive? You should at least give him until his second nomination when he has nothing to lose and can really shake things up!

He has already shaken things up quite a bit actually, that's why the mainstream media attacks him so much.

As far as military, if he wants to get re-elected he is a Republican.. so he can't just bring the troops home on day 1 because for one that isn't what he ran on. He has to go fight hard, and then come back with a report to the people that sounds convincing based on what he learned. Reagan said it best, Middle Eastern politics are irrational. Trump just needs to come back with something convincing and he will be able to pull out, but he can't do that in the first 6 months. Again, this isn't libertarian fantasyland, this is the real world. We have an enemy, it's called the deep state, and they are very powerful. Not sure if you are aware of that.

[phill4paul]

He has already shaken things up quite a bit actually, that's why the mainstream media attacks him so much.

As far as military, if he wants to get re-elected he is a Republican.. so he can't just bring the troops home on day 1 because for one that isn't what he ran on. He has to go fight hard, and then come back with a report to the people that sounds convincing based on what he learned. Reagan said it best, Middle Eastern politics are irrational. Trump just needs to come back with something convincing and he will be able to pull out, but he can't do that in the first 6 months. Again, this isn't libertarian fantasyland, this is the real world. We have real enemies.

Of course he wants to get re-elected. Then he can get $400k speaking gigs. Who cares if another son, daughter, father, mother is committed to the earth.

[dannno]

Actually overthrowing Deep State influence is simple. You merely have to nominate someone who cares more about the country than their press. The Deep State relies on the illusion of legitimacy granted by civilian authorities elected to office. If that legitimacy is revoked then the Deep State would lose all its power a sit is revealed for what it is. Trouble is no elected official is willing to take that risk and lose office. Certainly not a narcissist like Trump.

Uh, you just outlined a major portion of Trump's strategy that he is currently carrying out and has been for almost two years.. It's amazing you can come up with a brilliant strategy, yet not recognize that is precisely what is happening.

[CPUd]

So either Trump is too stupid to understand how bad war is, too greedy to give a damn, too powerhungry to end the war, or too weak to stop those who would. Coward, weak, or evil, none of those qualities befit someone in power.

Oh, it's worse than that. He's realized if he bombs the shit out of another country, all those meanies in the TV will suddenly say nice things about him.

[dannno]

Of course he wants to get re-elected. Then he can get $400k speaking gigs.

lol, Trump has plenty of money, he doesn't need more money. He only cares about the country.

[dannno]

So either Trump is too stupid to understand how bad war is, too greedy to give a damn, too powerhungry to end the war, or too weak to stop those who would. Coward, weak, or evil, none of those qualities befit someone in power.

None of the above.

[CCTelander]

What the hell, man???? And people are making excuses for this??


46D chess.

[phill4paul]

lol, Trump has plenty of money, he doesn't need more money. He only cares about the country.

He's sure put you in checkmate with his 46dd chess.

[jllundqu]

I want to start a new poll asking what it would take for Dannno to realize Trump is a puppet?

There is literally nothing Trump could do.... lmao.

[phill4paul]

None of the above.

Bullshit. The sons, daughters, fathers and mothers blood for anything that happens in Afghanistan are on Trumps and his supporters hands. If you want to flaunt it as a strategy then you are going to have to own it as reality.

[nikcers]

I want to start a new poll asking what it would take for Dannno to realize Trump is a puppet?

There is literally nothing Trump could do.... lmao.
Trump could literally shoot Ron Paul in the middle of the street in front of Dannno and he would still claim that he was doing it in order to fool the establishment.

[phill4paul]

Trump could literally shoot Ron Paul in the middle of the street in front of Dannno and he would still claim that he was doing it in order to fool the establishment.

Pretty much.

[dannno]

That is ridiculous.

[William Tell]

Trump could literally shoot Ron Paul in the middle of the street in front of Dannno and he would still claim that he was doing it in order to fool the establishment. dannno is right. That's ridiculous. He wouldn't say that. He'd just say it's fake news.:p

[Lamp]

dannno is right. That's ridiculous. He wouldn't say that. He'd just say it's fake news.:p
dannno is Pat Buchanan masquerading as a libertarian.

[Galileo Galilei]

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

What is the actual source of this information? I do not believe Trump is sending 5000 more troops to Afghanistan. It sounds like a military plan, not something Trump will actually do. They have military plans for practically everything.

[Brian4Liberty]

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

What's the objective? Anyone know?

[dannno]

@dannno (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=10908) is Pat Buchanan masquerading as a libertarian.

Huh? No, I'm probably more libertarian and anti-war than you.

When you are battling an enemy, and someone who is far less of a threat than your enemy is also starts attacking your enemy, you don't start attacking them. That's retarded.

[William Tell]

What's the objective? Anyone know?

Make Afghanistan Great Again.

[dannno]

dannno is right. That's ridiculous. He wouldn't say that. He'd just say it's fake news.:p

That is certainly a far more plausible scenario.

[Origanalist]

Lol, so you think we would be better off with McMaster as President :rolleyes:

You think Gorsuch would have been nominated? You think we would be rolling back regulations at a rate of 2:1?

I'm starting to think Jeff Sessions might be right after all. Maybe pot really is dangerous.

[dannno]

I'm starting to think Jeff Sessions might be right after all. Maybe pot really is dangerous.

Why, is Massie smoking the stuff too :confused:

[Lamp]

Huh? No, I'm probably more libertarian and anti-war than you.

When you are battling an enemy, and someone who is far less of a threat than your enemy is also starts attacking your enemy, you don't start attacking them. That's retarded.


Who is this hypothetical enemy thats also attacking this enemy in Afghanistan the latter of which Trump is attacking?

[Brian4Liberty]

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President Trump’s most senior military and foreign policy advisers have proposed a major shift in strategy in Afghanistan that would effectively put the United States back on a war footing with the Taliban.

The new plan, which still must be approved by the president, calls for expanding the U.S. military role as part of a broader effort to push an increasingly confident and resurgent Taliban back to the negotiating table, U.S. officials said.

The plan comes at the end of a sweeping policy review built around the president’s desire to reverse worsening security in Afghanistan and “start winning” again, said one U.S. official, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.

The new strategy, which has the backing of top Cabinet officials, would authorize the Pentagon, not the White House, to set troop numbers in Afghanistan and give the military far broader authority to use airstrikes to target Taliban militants. It would also lift Obama-era restrictions that limited the mobility of U.S. military advisers on the battlefield.
...
Trump is expected to make a final call on the strategy before a May 25 NATO summit in Brussels that he plans to attend.

Officials said it is unclear whether Trump, who has spoken little about the United States’ longest war, will look favorably upon expanding the U.S. role in Afghanistan. While he has voiced skepticism about allowing U.S. troops to become bogged down in foreign conflicts, the president has also expressed a desire to be tough on terrorism and has seemed to delight in the use of military force.

[CCTelander]

Bullshit. The sons, daughters, fathers and mothers blood for anything that happens in Afghanistan are on Trumps and his supporters hands. If you want to flaunt it as a strategy then you are going to have to own it as reality.


"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to phil4paul again."

[dannno]

Who is this hypothetical enemy thats also attacking this enemy in Afghanistan the latter of which Trump is attacking?

Wtf are you talking about?

I'm talking about our war with the deep state.

Watch some Bohemian Grove videos or something, you don't know what the deep state is?

[Ender]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to phil4paul again."

Unfortunately, it's the same for me.

[Influenza]

I've already addressed this numerous times. McCain and Romney were deep state stooges. They wouldn't have nominated a Constitutional Conservative Judge, they would have led us into more boondoggle wars and greatly expanded government. Just like Obama was a deep state stooge, he was supposed to get us out of wars and ended up getting us into even more boondoggles.

Trump hasn't even been in 6 months, you can't call him a boondoggle President unless he has overseen a military boondoggle for at least a year or two.

Somehow you take for granted that Trump isn't a deep state stooge when the majority of everything he has ever said or done points to him being exactly that

[klamath]

I'm starting to think Jeff Sessions might be right after all. Maybe pot really is dangerous.Funny, I was just thinking you could read a thousand studies on the bad effects of MJ and laugh but when you have a man that claimed a person could smoke bales of the stuff with no ill effects that makes statements like he does it makes you stop and think!
I really think he should be lead by the hand to the military recruiters office so he can put his money where his mouth is and fight for HIS beloved CIC.

[phill4paul]

Funny, I was just thinking you could read a thousand studies on the bad effects of MJ and laugh but when you have a man that claimed a person could smoke bales of the stuff with no ill effects that makes statements like he does it makes you stop and think!
I really think he should be lead by the hand to the military recruiters office so he can put his money where his mouth is and fight for HIS beloved CIC.

And there you have it. Put up or shut up dannno.

[Occam's Banana]

Make Afghanistan Great Again.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to William Tell again.

[dannno]

And there you have it. Put up or shut up @dannno (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=10908).

rofl.. I would NEVER recommend anybody join the military, that is completely insane.

[dannno]

Somehow you take for granted that Trump isn't a deep state stooge when the majority of everything he has ever said or done points to him being exactly that

Is that why Massie has such great things to say about Trump? You think he is a deep state stooge too?

[bunklocoempire]

RPOS

He'll march them right home any second now... oops, marching the wrong way. Marching home the long way around?

[Pauls' Revere]

Man, this 4D chess is confusing. This looks an aweful lot like the kind of shameless warmongering that Bush and Obama engaged in, but that can't be right, can it? Guess I'll just have to wait for someone to Trumpsplain it for me.

I'm learning how to play Sogi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shogi

[nikcers]

What did you expect, he hires a military general who has called for boots on the ground to create a plan to defeat our enemy. What do you get when you have a bag of hammers running the show?

[The Rebel Poet]

What the hell, man???? And people are making excuses for this??
Not people, just Danno.

[Origanalist]

Why, is Massie smoking the stuff too :confused:

I think he's experimenting with it.

[Origanalist]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to phil4paul again."


Unfortunately, it's the same for me.

Got it.

[nikcers]

So Trumps plan is to nominate the deep state and then fire them? :rolleyes:
I think you don't appreciate complexity of fourth dimensional chess. He can't fire someone if they don't work for him. Plus he can't really fire them until they do something that he can fire them for, because its government, its not a right to work state you know. Then he wants to make sure he is not shot, because he doesn't want to get shot. Then when its all over you say he didn't get elected to create your libertarian dream.

[dannno]

Then when its all over you say he didn't get elected to create your libertarian dream.

Our best shot at the libertarian dream is disempowering the deep state. Some of us are playing the long game right now.

[chudrockz]

Our best shot at the libertarian dream is disempowering the deep state. Some of us are playing the long game right now.

It's gonna be a very long game indeed when the deep state's plump orange ass is plopped down in the oval office for the next few years.

[dannno]

It's gonna be a very long game indeed when the deep state's plump orange ass is plopped down in the oval office for the next few years.

That requires too big of a conspiracy theory for me to conceive of, and I think 9/11 was definitely an inside job.. I mean, apparently, the media just hates Trump so people like me will vote for him, I didn't even vote for him lol.. and why wouldn't they want Hillary in office?

[Origanalist]

Our best shot at the libertarian dream is disempowering the deep state. Some of us are playing the long game right now.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha























































ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[AZJoe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvQJcMmPmsY

[Philmanoman]

danno
The smartest man in the world
According to himself

[jllundqu]

I spent 27 months in Iraq. I fought in Fallujah, Baghdad, An Najaf, Karbala, and Mosul with the infantry. If you support Trump's move to send 5000 troops to Afghanistan, sign the fuck up and go fight or STFU. Don't advocate sending my brothers to another MIC driven clusterfuck so your cheeto jesus god emperor can 'fight the deep state'.

[Ender]

I spent 27 months in Iraq. I fought in Fallujah, Baghdad, An Najaf, Karbala, and Mosul with the infantry. If you support Trump's move to send 5000 troops to Afghanistan, sign the $#@! up and go fight or STFU. Don't advocate sending my brothers to another MIC driven cluster$#@! so your cheeto jesus god emperor can 'fight the deep state'.

AMEN.

And +rep.

[klamath]

I spent 27 months in Iraq. I fought in Fallujah, Baghdad, An Najaf, Karbala, and Mosul with the infantry. If you support Trump's move to send 5000 troops to Afghanistan, sign the $#@! up and go fight or STFU. Don't advocate sending my brothers to another MIC driven cluster$#@! so your cheeto jesus god emperor can 'fight the deep state'.I am getting that real strong vib that he is just like his boy trump, always great as long as someone elses children or grandchildren are going to the front lines. Draft his ass..no dodging like trump.

[The Rebel Poet]

I spent 27 months in Iraq. I fought in Fallujah, Baghdad, An Najaf, Karbala, and Mosul with the infantry. If you support Trump's move to send 5000 troops to Afghanistan, sign the fuck up and go fight or STFU. Don't advocate sending my brothers to another MIC driven clusterfuck so your cheeto jesus god emperor can 'fight the deep state'.
+rep


AMEN.

And +rep.
+rep


I am getting that real strong vib that he is just like his boy trump, always great as long as someone elses children or grandchildren are going to the front lines. Draft his ass..no dodging like trump.
Outta rep.

[afwjam]

You know how you know your talking to a little bitch?

[AdamL]

Obviously Trump will only support this so he can oppose it later on and then blame it all on Paul Ryan somehow. It's all a part of Trump and Rand's master plan!


Uh, you just outlined a major portion of Trump's strategy that he is currently carrying out and has been for almost two years.. It's amazing you can come up with a brilliant strategy, yet not recognize that is precisely what is happening.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_6nKVdUs-I

[bunklocoempire]

I have yet to shed other peoples' blood to support my own long game.
I have yet to destroy a currency and rob my fellow man by the taxation through inflation scheme to support my own long game.

The "long game" is the economy's bitch, and not removed from human reaction when the economy's wheels fall off.

Just one more excursion/invasion, no need for the truth yet... Rome's imperialism eventually ended, but the U.S. apparently has exceptional economics.:rolleyes:

[Occam's Banana]

Rome's imperialism eventually ended, but the U.S. apparently has exceptional economics.:rolleyes:

The (western) Roman empire endured for over half a millenium after Octavian became the first Roman emperor (Augustus Caesar) - and the Roman republic had indulged in imperialism for quite a while before that. The US, on the other hand, has only been around for 230 years - and the wheels are probably gonna come off long before the US ever gets close to matching Rome.

IOW: Compared to Rome, the US is a buncha amateur-hour clowns who can't even get imperium right ... (though they'll waste rivers of blood and mountains of treausure tryin' ...)

[Danke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvQJcMmPmsY

Wow. And here I thought it was just about poppy funding for the CIA.

[Zippyjuan]

So far, Trump has offered little clarity about whether he might approve more forces for Afghanistan, where some 8,400 U.S. troops remain more than 15 years after the Islamist Taliban government was toppled by U.S.-backed Afghan forces.

But Trump has so far consistently appeared to defer to his military on matters of battlefield strategy. That includes in Iraq and Afghanistan, where he has given Defense Secretary Jim Mattis the authority to reset a system of U.S. troop limits.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-afghanistan-trump-idUSKBN1801W4

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/trump-commanders-power-authorize/2017/03/03/id/776827/


Trump Gives Commanders Power to Authorize Military Strikes

Following two days of airstrikes against al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) targets in Yemen, it was revealed Friday that President Donald Trump has granted his military commanders the power to authorize military strikes in certain countries without his permission.

According to the Washington Examiner, Trump instituted the new approval process when he gave the go-ahead for a Jan. 29 special operations mission in Yemen that resulted in the death of Navy SEAL William "Ryan" Owens.

Commanders already had the authority to give the green light for operations in countries with a significant U.S. military presence, but that was not the case under former President Barack Obama in countries such as Yemen, which does not have many American military personnel. Commanders complained that the process for launching strikes in those countries was clunky and lengthy. The new rules make it more streamlined.

Trump will be kept abreast of situations, but Secretary of Defense James Mattis and military leaders who serve under him now have the power to make decisions on their own.



https://www.democracynow.org/2016/12/16/trump_has_appointed_more_generals_in


Trump Has Appointed More Generals in His Cabinet Than Any President Since World War II

[The Rebel Poet]

I have yet to shed other peoples' blood to support my own long game.
I have yet to destroy a currency and rob my fellow man by the taxation through inflation scheme to support my own long game.

The "long game" is the economy's bitch, and not removed from human reaction when the economy's wheels fall off.

Just one more excursion/invasion, no need for the truth yet... Rome's imperialism eventually ended, but the U.S. apparently has exceptional economics.:rolleyes:
To paraphrase one infamous economist: "in the long run, a lot of people are going to have to die."

[AZJoe]

I guess Washington is still look for Osama bin Laden, and they are going to continue invading and occupying Afghanistan until they capture or kill him again, or at least a few more times.

[BubbleBarn]

How else can we protect those opium poppies and all those precious minerals?

[Ender]

I guess Washington is still look for Osama bin Laden, and they are going to continue invading and occupying Afghanistan until they capture or kill him again, or at least a few more times.

Thanks for the reminder- I was trying to remember why we were in Afghanistan. ;)

[unknown]

How else can we protect those opium poppies and all those precious minerals?


I guess Washington is still look for Osama bin Laden, and they are going to continue invading and occupying Afghanistan until they capture or kill him again, or at least a few more times.


It all makes sense now.

[bunklocoempire]

We're looking after our neighbor's farm while the husband battles stage 4 cancer on Oahu. Their son-in-law is currently Army reserve and has been college schooling for 1 year with another following, before schooling, the son-in-law did time in Afghanistan. He is a good kid, he was/is confused, and Trump/CIC has given him zero direction -not that a PUSA is supposed to, but let's be real.

Trump loves his country my ass. "Loves his country" is as vague as MAGA. Trump is a master of navigating empire to make money for himself and others. Fine.

Has Trump dealt with murder and suicide when a relative comes back from the Korean War fucked in the head? No, I don't think so. My wife's family has.

Has Trump dealt with Agent Orange, terminal cancer for the vet, and a dead baby from Spina Bifida? No, I don't think so. My uncle and aunt did. R.I.P. Jack and Bethany.
Fun story, my cousin, the dead baby Bethany, checked out when the family was visiting our grandparents in Chicago after driving from MN. They brought Bethany home in the trunk of a 76 Nova because the cost of shipping a dead baby body was outrageous. I'm sure Trump can relate.

Get a fucking clue. Fighting the deep state my ass.

Weekly Update --- Trump Foreign Policy: Doing the Same Thing and Expecting a Different Result
https://www.bitchute.com/video/S3cacHrIxOux/

[enhanced_deficit]

3 Indicted On ‘Massive Fraud’ Connected To Nearly $9 Billion Afghan Contract (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528942-3-Indicted-On-‘Massive-Fraud’-Connected-To-Nearly-9-Billion-Afghan-Contract&)

[bunklocoempire]

3 Indicted On ‘Massive Fraud’ Connected To Nearly $9 Billion Afghan Contract (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528942-3-Indicted-On-‘Massive-Fraud’-Connected-To-Nearly-9-Billion-Afghan-Contract&)

Well yeah, but what have YOU done to fight the deep state?

/s

Trump splaining is a piece of cake.

[Pauls' Revere]

Make Afghanistan Great Again.

LOL funny in a sad sorta way.

[Pauls' Revere]

I spent 27 months in Iraq. I fought in Fallujah, Baghdad, An Najaf, Karbala, and Mosul with the infantry. If you support Trump's move to send 5000 troops to Afghanistan, sign the $#@! up and go fight or STFU. Don't advocate sending my brothers to another MIC driven cluster$#@! so your cheeto jesus god emperor can 'fight the deep state'.

LOL "Cheeto Jesus God Emperor" :directhit:

[enhanced_deficit]

What was the objective of this surge, how much it cost and hasthe objective been met? If not, how many more years will it take to reach the objective?

In case any foreign intervention experts here.

[enhanced_deficit]

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-army/2019/05/10/heres-how-many-afghan-troops-are-still-awol-in-america-and-why/

[enhanced_deficit]

2 U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan day after Pompeo visits

June 26, 2019 / 1:50 AM / CBS/AP

In a file photo taken July 7, 2018, U.S. Army soldiers look on as U.S. flag flies at a checkpoint during a patrol against ISIS militants at the Deh Bala district in Afghanistan's eastern province of Nangarhar. Getty Kabul, Afghanistan -- The U.S. military said two service members were killed Wednesday in Afghanistan (https://www.cbsnews.com/feature/afghanistan-the-way-forward/), but did not offer any details surrounding the circumstances of their deaths. The killings occurred a day after U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo made a quick visit to the Afghan capital of Kabul where he said Washington was hopeful of a peace deal before Sept. 1.

It's not clear if the deaths were the result of fighting in the war, which at nearly 18 years is America's longest running. The U.S. military statement announcing the killings was a terse two paragraph announcement that provided no detail on the circumstances. It said the identities of the soldiers would not be released until their families had been notified.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/afghanistan-2-us-troops-killed-mike-pompeo-peace-deal-taliban-september-2019-06-26/

[enhanced_deficit]

Afghanistan violence: Car bomb attack in Kabul kills 10 including 2 NATO troops



5 September 2019

A car bomb attack in the Afghan capital Kabul has killed at least 10 people and injured 40 others, officials say.
The blast happened near a security checkpoint in a highly protected area close to embassies and government buildings.
Taliban militants said they had carried out the attack.
Kabul has been gripped by a surge in violence since the US and the Taliban reached an agreement in principle to bring an end to the war.
As part of the deal with the militants, the US would withdraw 5,400 troops from Afghanistan within 20 weeks (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-49559493), according to US top negotiator Zalmay Khalilzad.
The attack took place on a road near the Nato office and US embassy in the Kabul's heavily fortified Green Zone, and destroyed cars and nearby shops. The Taliban said they had targeted a convoy of foreign forces.

Two of the victims were identified as members of the Nato-led mission in the country, Resolute Support - one from Romania, the other from the US. Earlier, a spokesman for the interior ministry said all victims were civilians.
On Monday, a truck bomb exploded close to a compound housing foreigners killing at least 16 people and injuring more than 100, an attack that was also claimed by the Taliban.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-49592971

[Swordsmyth]

Another irrelevant bump of old news to try and mislead people.

[enhanced_deficit]

Great point, there is absolutely no connection here ; 5000 and 5400 are very different numbers.




5000 troops slated for new Afghan surge (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?510427-5000-troops-slated-for-new-Afghan-surge/page4&)
2017




Afghanistan violence: Car bomb attack in Kabul kills 10 including 2 NATO troops
5 September 2019

As part of the deal with the militants, the US would withdraw 5,400 troops from Afghanistan within 20 weeks (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-49559493), according to US top negotiator Zalmay Khalilzad.




And there is 2-3 years gap here, so this is wrong time to evaluate gains from all the American-Afghan lives/limbs lost and few hundred billions $s cost to US taxpayers due to these surges.

[Swordsmyth]

Great point, there is absolutely no connection here ; 5000 and 5400 are very different numbers.









And there is 2-3 years gap here, so this is wrong time to evaluate gains from all the American-Afghan lives/limbs lost and few hundred billions $s cost to US taxpayers due to these surges.

Trump already withdrew 7,000 so there is no connection here except that you are hoping that people won't notice that the headline is old and will think Trump is sending more troops instead of withdrawing.

[TheCount]

Trump already withdrew 7,000


More lies. You have been corrected on this lie before.

Trump Hasn't Ordered Afghan Troop Withdrawal, White House Says

Donald Trump hasn’t ordered the Pentagon to withdraw troops from Afghanistan, a White House spokesman said, contradicting reports last week that he’s directed the military to pull 7,000 soldiers out of a conflict he’s long criticized.

“The president has not made a determination to drawdown U.S. military presence in Afghanistan and he has not directed the Department of Defense to begin the process of withdrawing U.S. personnel from Afghanistan,” Garrett Marquis, a spokesman for the National Security Council, said in an emailed statement on Friday.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-28/trump-hasn-t-ordered-afghanistan-withdrawal-white-house-says

[TheCount]

dannno

[Swordsmyth]

More lies. You have been corrected on this lie before.

Trump Hasn't Ordered Afghan Troop Withdrawal, White House Says


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-28/trump-hasn-t-ordered-afghanistan-withdrawal-white-house-says
I did not find that information anywhere on this site so you are lying about my having been told.

He did withdraw thousands though:

Jan. 8, 2019 at 10:25 a.m. PST

The U.S. military is drafting plans to withdraw a few thousand troops from Afghanistan while continuing all major missions in the longest war in American history, U.S. officials said, three weeks after President Trump sought options for a more drastic pullout.
The planning is underway after Trump ordered the Pentagon to prepare the withdrawal of up to half of the roughly 14,000 U.S. troops deployed in Afghanistan, six officials said. The officials, who work in several parts of the government, spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the discussions.

Trump still wants to remove troops from Afghanistan — eventually all of them — but the current withdrawal probably will be far fewer than 7,000, two senior White House officials said. Military advisers have convinced him that a smaller, and slower, withdrawal is best for now — although officials cautioned that a final decision had not been reached and that the president could order a full pullout at any moment.


More at: https://beta.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/new-plans-for-afghanistan-would-have-trump-withdrawing-fewer-troops/2019/01/08/ddf2858e-12a0-11e9-a896-f104373c7ffd_story.html



And e_d is trying to trick people or he would have, posted in the withdrawal thread or started a new thread and referenced this one or at least made the comparison in his bump post instead of making up an excuse after being called on his misleading bump.

[enhanced_deficit]

US Special Forces Soldier Killed a Week After Trump Canceled Taliban Peace Talks (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?539283-US-Special-Forces-Soldier-Killed-a-Week-After-Trump-Canceled-Taliban-Peace-Talks&)

[TheCount]

He did withdraw thousands though:

More lies, Wormtongue. Not that anyone is surprised by that by this point.

You can't link to something that Trump said/says that he wants and expect anyone to believe that it actually happened or will happen.

[enhanced_deficit]

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2F3ivvDRE GaQRVu%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1





He did withdraw thousands though:


More lies, Wormtongue. Not that anyone is surprised by that by this point.

You can't link to something that Trump said/says that he wants and expect anyone to believe that it actually happened or will happen.

MAGA intended to do so, that should count for something.

[TheCount]

MAGA intended to do so, that should count for something.

MAGA doesn't even have to pretend to do something to get his supporters to clap like seals; he just has to say that he's thinking about it.

[enhanced_deficit]

MAGA doesn't even have to pretend to do something to get his supporters to clap like seals; he just has to say that he's thinking about it.

To be fair, only some of his supporters clap that way.

[TheCount]

To be fair, only some of his supporters clap that way.

The fattest ones, because they can't get their hands any closer to their bodies than that.

[TheCount]

Bump for renewed relevance

[enhanced_deficit]

Longest war goes on:


Soldier killed in Afghanistan vehicle rollover accident
Howard Altman

1 day ago


Spc. Vincent Sebastian Ibarria, 21, from San Antonio died in a vehicle rollover accident July 3, 2020, in Farah, Afghanistan. (DoD)

The Pentagon announced the death of a soldier killed in a vehicle rollover accident in Afghanistan.
Spc. Vincent Sebastian Ibarria, 21, from San Antonio died July 3, in Farah, Afghanistan, according to a Pentagon media release. The incident is under investigation.

Ibarria was assigned to 2nd Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment, 1st Infantry Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division, Fort Drum, New York.

armytimes.com/news/your-army/2020/07/04/soldier-killed-in-afghanistan-rollover-accident/

[Pauls' Revere]

Why are we still there?

[Swordsmyth]

Why are we still there?

We are leaving and Congress is already trying to stop it, if Trump had ordered us to leave any faster Congress would most certainly have voted to stop it.

[jon4liberty]

Swamp runs deep!

[sparebulb]

Why are we still there?

The mission to transfer all of our freedom to them is not complete.

[dean.engelhardt]

We are leaving and Congress is already trying to stop it, if Trump had ordered us to leave any faster Congress would most certainly have voted to stop it.

DC is so confusing. Congress signed over its power to declare war to the executive branch, but congress still gets to decide to stay in the war? I read about the bill Rand submitted to bring the troops home that got voted down. It is a shame.

[Swordsmyth]

DC is so confusing. Congress signed over its power to declare war to the executive branch, but congress still gets to decide to stay in the war? I read about the bill Rand submitted to bring the troops home that got voted down. It is a shame.
The swamp doesn't have rules, they will use and stick they can to beat your dog.

[Pauls' Revere]

The mission to transfer all of our freedom to them is not complete.

:directhit: I almost forgot, sorry comrade.

[Pauls' Revere]

We are leaving and Congress is already trying to stop it, if Trump had ordered us to leave any faster Congress would most certainly have voted to stop it.

He is commander in chief. He can simply order it.

[Occam's Banana]

Why are we still there?

"The rule is, jam to-morrow and jam yesterday – but never jam to-day."

[vita3]

Heroin

[r3volution 3.0]

The Carlson monologue tonight was about how Trump's been "trying" to bring the troops home from Afghanistan, but the evil Deep State congress has of course been standing in the way (and Hillary would have been worse and, for good measure, let's call CPUd names). This is, of course, bullshit. The President can do exactly as he pleases with troop movements (one of the reasons that D.C. people were so afraid of Ron). There are laws permitting Trump to fight wars; there are none requiring him to fight wars. And yet no one will challenge this, Tucker will never admit that he was lying, and the world will turn, with there continuing to be such a creature as an anti-war Trump supporter (until Trump loses, at which point everything he was doing, which Biden continues, will either be called soft on [insert imaginary hobgoblin] or, and perhaps simultaneously, warmongering).

[Swordsmyth]

"The rule is, jam to-morrow and jam yesterday – but never jam to-day."
We are getting jam today, the troops have been leaving and they are continuing to leave ahead of schedule.

[Swordsmyth]

He is commander in chief. He can simply order it.
He is ordering it, and Congress is threatening to deny the money for the movement of the troops unless they are satisfied, Trump now needs to accelerate the withdrawal so that it is complete before they can override his veto.