Crooked GOP Senators Laughed Uncontrollably at the Thought of a Border Wall

[AuH20]

21.6 billion for a wall is deemed fiscally irresponsible, but 2+ trillion for a full scale invasion of Syria is more than reasonable. God forbid we spend any stolen loot to prevent the country from plunging into the ethnic and socialist abyss that currently defines California.

I'm waiting for the tar, feathers and rolls of quarters in pillow cases. Enough with the games. Until a mandarin member of the sacred 100 loses a row of teeth, this will go on.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/report-senior-gop-senators-capitol-hill-laughed-loud-building-trumps-border-wall-video/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BwgxG7Wks8

[AuH20]

I'm guessing this fool is among the pack of treasonous vultures. Tilles is rapidly approaching Lamar Alexander territory in a short period.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEEKkXej2zI

This guy is so owned by special interests that there is likely a hanging price tag ensconced behind his ear.

[CPUd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geI2ZGiTDAQ

[randbot16]

I am not defending blood-sucking GOP hack politicians, so don't get me wrong here... Maybe they are laughing because a border wall is just an obscenely stupid idea? I can't believe our professional salesman/reality-tv actor/president managed to build a platform around 'building a big shiny wall' that propelled him to electoral victory, but I have ceased being surprised at the depths to which our society can sink. Maybe they are laughing because they are all RINOs and knew all along that Trump was a plant, a newly-minted RINO, a puppet with the hand of the deep state up his ass like every other president in the last half-century+? I still can't believe how few noticed how shallow and cliche Trump's rhetoric during the election really was... You were played like a first-grader... Honestly I am laughing right now too.

I have been lurking in this forum for some sick, sad entertainment for a while, but had to post because, god damn, I thought by now people would realize that they were duped... What do you think a government-built wall is going to do to improve this country really???? You really believe it is illegal immigration that is killing this country? A wall fixes nothing. It would probably be built by Israeli contractors. More foreign aid for the real leading state sponsor of terrorism... Maybe it would fund their next catalyzing false flag on us. If you still believe in Trump, your time in a web browser would be better spent researching reverse lobotomies, k?

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[Occam's Banana]

Crooked GOP Senators Laughed Uncontrollably at the Thought of a Border Wall

Huh! How about that? I guess I have something in common with crooked GOP senators, after all ...

[undergroundrr]

Hey Gold+20 Hydrogen Atoms, is Ron Paul crooked? He doesn't just laugh; he disembowels the very concept of your ignorant wall with righteous disgust -

"Walling people off is not a very libertarian idea. As a matter of fact, I've always argued the walls are going to hinder the American people as much as anybody... I think a wall is totally useless and [Jeff Sessions] didn't mention how he was going to pay for that wall. That's billions of dollars. Nobody knows what it will cost and it won't work. And it's so detrimental to the concept of liberty. Because what it is is they're treating a symptom rather than saying: Our problem is [that we need] a healthy economy, and allowing people to trade freely and go back and forth. Enforce the laws that we have. I would say the wall is treating the symptom and it's not gonna work." - Ron Paul, April 20, 2017.

Your argument -
It's bad to spend 2+ trillion on a war. Therefore we should spend 21+ billion dollars on a Marxist Ozymandias project.

Pure genius. You'll go far.

[Ender]

Huh! How about that? I guess I have something in common with crooked GOP senators, after all ...

My first thought exactly. ;)

[Occam's Banana]

Your argument -
It's bad to spend 2+ trillion on a war. Therefore we should spend 21+ billion dollars on a Marxist Ozymandias project.

Use false dichotomies for fun and (boondoggle) profit!

[Superfluous Man]

Good for them.

The real question is, why are long time members at Ron Paul Forums of all places not joining them in ridiculing the idea of a border wall?

[TheTexan]

Good for them.

The real question is, why are long time members at Ron Paul Forums of all places not joining them in ridiculing the idea of a border wall?

Well we gotta keep the Mexicans out somehow.

[BUTSRSLY]

Crooked GOP Senators Laughed Uncontrollably at the Thought of a Border Wall

RE-EVALUATING MY WORLDVIEW IN LIGHT OF NEW INFORMATION THAT CROOKED GOP SENATORS AND I HAVE THIS IN COMMON

[acptulsa]

RE-EVALUATING MY WORLDVIEW IN LIGHT OF NEW INFORMATION THAT CROOKED GOP SENATORS AND I HAVE THIS IN COMMON

Don't look now, but enabling the insurance lobby to make health care ever more unaffordable--not just for the chronically ill, but for everyone in the country--is another area where you and corrupt GOP senators see eye-to-eye. And war, too. Every time you profess that the Fed is necessary to somehow ameliorate the effects of recessions, even though we're had far worse, longer-lasting recessions in the last hundred years than we ever had while the goofy gold standard was in effect, you're arguing their case. After all, a few years ago, Iraq, Libya, Syria, North Korea and Iran were the only nations which didn't have central banks printing ever-more-worthless money and making the poor poorer. And after eight years of your favorite drone-flying puppet bombing children, there were three.

Yeah, you and they have much in common. AM I SPEAKING LOUDLY ENOUGH TO BE HEARD?

Clearly P.T. Barnum's wisdom was bipartisan. No matter which side of the aisle you look at, there's a sucker born to it every two seconds.

[AuH20]

I am not defending blood-sucking GOP hack politicians, so don't get me wrong here... Maybe they are laughing because a border wall is just an obscenely stupid idea? I can't believe our professional salesman/reality-tv actor/president managed to build a platform around 'building a big shiny wall' that propelled him to electoral victory, but I have ceased being surprised at the depths to which our society can sink. Maybe they are laughing because they are all RINOs and knew all along that Trump was a plant, a newly-minted RINO, a puppet with the hand of the deep state up his ass like every other president in the last half-century+? I still can't believe how few noticed how shallow and cliche Trump's rhetoric during the election really was... You were played like a first-grader... Honestly I am laughing right now too.

I have been lurking in this forum for some sick, sad entertainment for a while, but had to post because, god damn, I thought by now people would realize that they were duped... What do you think a government-built wall is going to do to improve this country really???? You really believe it is illegal immigration that is killing this country? A wall fixes nothing. It would probably be built by Israeli contractors. More foreign aid for the real leading state sponsor of terrorism... Maybe it would fund their next catalyzing false flag on us. If you still believe in Trump, your time in a web browser would be better spent researching reverse lobotomies, k?

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Examine California and get back to me. Illegal immigration didn't directly kill America, but it will make certain that there will be no chance of secession or a revival. When the virus goes fully national, the meager resistance here will be drowned even further by the waves of 'democracy.'

[AuH20]

Unless the detractors don't possess doors inside the entrance jambs of their residences, they shouldn't scoff at the idea of a wall. It's the first layer of security and then you plan a contingency for intruders afterwards. I stage multiple layers of security within my home if the perimeter is compromised.

Some libertarians are painfully autistic in regard to the comprehension of cultural biases and how they align with the growth of the federal government. There is no natural Darwinian filter of 'sink or swim' in this country, where you could theoretically overcome some of these damaging cultural biases. Government feeds and shelters everyone at the taxpayer and consumer's expense, while further exacerbating the moral hazards.

[Ender]

Examine California and get back to me. Illegal immigration didn't directly kill America, but it will make certain that there will be no chance of secession or a revival.

California.......you mean that place that was once part of Mexico? You're surprised Mexicans live there?

Shocker.

[AuH20]

California.......you mean that place that was once part of Mexico? You're surprised Mexicans live there?

Shocker.

Yes, California the former mildly red state that has been transformed into bizarro land on the strength of the huddled masses.

[Ender]

Yes, California the former mild red state that has been transformed into bizarro land on the strength of the huddled masses.

I'm not in love with California's gov, but the people overall are pretty cool. I'm glad I grew up in a multicultural environment.

[AuH20]

RE-EVALUATING MY WORLDVIEW IN LIGHT OF NEW INFORMATION THAT CROOKED GOP SENATORS AND I HAVE THIS IN COMMON

Close your eyes and imagine 47 Jerry Browns with corresponding state legislatures making our lives even more unbearable. That's the rapidly approaching future. It will be Dunghole USA with a bodega on every corner along with a monthly licensing fee tied to the breathing of oxygen.

I really think WW3 might be an upgrade on the demographic nightmare that we're subsidizing with our funny money machine. Maybe Vlad can depopulate some blue strongholds when the thing kicks off.

[undergroundrr]

I really think WW3 might be an upgrade on the demographic nightmare

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[Occam's Banana]

Unless the detractors don't possess doors inside the entrance jambs of their residences, they shouldn't scoff at the idea of a wall.

There's that false dichotomy thing again. You should really get that checked out ...

[Occam's Banana]

I really think WW3 might be an upgrade on the demographic nightmare
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Last edited by undergroundrr; Today at 08:48 PM. Reason: deleted my comment for the sake of civility

I got this ...

So, AuH20: did you support Hillary, or are you just full of shit?

[phill4paul]

I agree with the OP. Do not spend 21.6 billion on a wall and the crony capitalism that will go far larger the estimate and NEVER solve the problem or 3 trillion on a war and the crony capitalism that will go far larger the estimate and NEVER solve the problem.

[Superfluous Man]

Examine California and get back to me. Illegal immigration didn't directly kill America, but it will make certain that there will be no chance of secession or a revival. When the virus goes fully national, the meager resistance here will be drowned even further by the waves of 'democracy.'

If so, then the correct solution is to legalize whatever immigration is currently illegal, then it won't be illegal immigration any more.

[CPUd]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-iu_BbUIAE7PIq.jpg

[BUTSRSLY]

I DON'T TEND TO BUILD MY WALLS BETWEEN MYSELF AND HARD-WORKING, FAMILY-CENTRIC COMMUNITIES

[AuH20]

I DON'T TEND TO BUILD MY WALLS BETWEEN MYSELF AND HARD-WORKING, FAMILY-CENTRIC COMMUNITIES

This is a piece of 'family-centric' data that I would like to separate both myself and my wallet from.

http://americanthinker.com/images/bucket/2014-05/192439_5_.png

[devil21]

I'm guessing this fool is among the pack of treasonous vultures. Tilles is rapidly approaching Lamar Alexander territory in a short period.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEEKkXej2zI

This guy is so owned by special interests that there is likely a hanging price tag ensconced behind his ear.

There is. I sat right next to him at the 2013 state convention. His pure self-interest just oozes from his aura. Ask GunnyFreedom about how shitty Tillis is, he'll tell ya all about him.

[BUTSRSLY]

This is a piece of 'family-centric' data that I would like to separate both myself and my wallet from.

http://americanthinker.com/images/bucket/2014-05/192439_5_.png

AT LEAST FIVE FALSE ASSERTIONS IMPLIED
A) THIS POLL IS REPRESENTATIVE
B) A WALL WOULD STOP THESE BIG GOVERNMENT HISPANICS
C) HISPANICS WHO WOULD BE STOPPED BY A WALL BUT ARE NOT STOPPED NOW HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE GOVERNMENT
D) BIG GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS THAT STOP BIG GOVERNMENT LOVING PEOPLE ARE GOOD
E) IT IS GOOD THAT THE UNITED STATES FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BE SOLVENT

[AuH20]

See my comments below:


AT LEAST FIVE FALSE ASSERTIONS IMPLIED
A) THIS POLL IS REPRESENTATIVE - Data aligns with other polls. This is not an anomaly. Look at prevalent government types in Central America and Mexico. What do you find there? Thriving libertarian republics? :)
B) A WALL WOULD STOP THESE BIG GOVERNMENT HISPANICS - See the broad definition of birthright citizenship per the U.S. court system.
C) HISPANICS WHO WOULD BE STOPPED BY A WALL BUT ARE NOT STOPPED NOW HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE GOVERNMENT - Per the generous interpretation of the 14th amendment for anchor babies and/or if residency parameters are eventually met for the individual crossing. Citizenship is instantly bestowed to the offspring of the trespasser.
D) BIG GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS THAT STOP BIG GOVERNMENT LOVING PEOPLE ARE GOOD - Overall dollar cost in the medical, school and municipal service spheres exceeds any proposed border security expenditures. Per FAIR, illegal immigration collectively costs the U.S. 113 billion annually. A lion's share of these costs are absorbed by the local and state governments to the tune of 84 billion annually. Deduct 21.6 billion (cost of wall) from 113 billion and the delta is roughly 91 billion for one calendar year (not total savings obviously).
E) IT IS GOOD THAT THE UNITED STATES FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BE SOLVENT - ?

[CPUd]

You guys might as well start learning the language:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2BlqlR4a7A

[BUTSRSLY]

A) THIS POLL IS REPRESENTATIVE - Data aligns with other polls. This is not an anomaly. Look at prevalent government types in Central America and Mexico. What do you find there? Thriving libertarian republics? :)
WHITES UNIQUELY CREATE GOOD GOVERNMENT? (TRICK QUESTION, GOVERNMENTS DON'T WORK)

B) A WALL WOULD STOP THESE BIG GOVERNMENT HISPANICS - See the broad definition of birthright citizenship per the U.S. court system.

INCOMPREHENSIBLE. UNLESS YOU ARE ARGUING THAT LEGISLATION IS MORE EFFECTIVE THAN WALLS.

C) HISPANICS WHO WOULD BE STOPPED BY A WALL BUT ARE NOT STOPPED NOW HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE GOVERNMENT - Per the generous interpretation of the 14th amendment for anchor babies and/or if residency parameters are eventually met for the individual crossing. Citizenship is instantly bestowed to the offspring of the trespasser.

UNRELATED TO WALLS

D) BIG GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS THAT STOP BIG GOVERNMENT LOVING PEOPLE ARE GOOD - Overall dollar cost in the medical, school and municipal service spheres exceeds any proposed border security expenditures. Per FAIR, illegal immigration collectively costs the U.S. 113 billion annually. A lion's share of these costs are absorbed by the local and state governments to the tune of 84 billion annually. Deduct 21.6 billion (cost of wall) from 113 billion and the delta is roughly 91 billion for one calendar year (not total savings obviously).

THIS ARGUMENT MAY BE EFFECTIVE TOWARD FISCALLY COMPETENT SUPREMACISTS, WHICH IS THE ONLY GROUP YOU DON'T NEED TO PROPAGANDIZE

[AuH20]

A) THIS POLL IS REPRESENTATIVE - Data aligns with other polls. This is not an anomaly. Look at prevalent government types in Central America and Mexico. What do you find there? Thriving libertarian republics? :)
WHITES UNIQUELY CREATE GOOD GOVERNMENT? (TRICK QUESTION, GOVERNMENTS DON'T WORK)

B) A WALL WOULD STOP THESE BIG GOVERNMENT HISPANICS - See the broad definition of birthright citizenship per the U.S. court system.

INCOMPREHENSIBLE. UNLESS YOU ARE ARGUING THAT LEGISLATION IS MORE EFFECTIVE THAN WALLS.

C) HISPANICS WHO WOULD BE STOPPED BY A WALL BUT ARE NOT STOPPED NOW HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE GOVERNMENT - Per the generous interpretation of the 14th amendment for anchor babies and/or if residency parameters are eventually met for the individual crossing. Citizenship is instantly bestowed to the offspring of the trespasser.

UNRELATED TO WALLS

D) BIG GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS THAT STOP BIG GOVERNMENT LOVING PEOPLE ARE GOOD - Overall dollar cost in the medical, school and municipal service spheres exceeds any proposed border security expenditures. Per FAIR, illegal immigration collectively costs the U.S. 113 billion annually. A lion's share of these costs are absorbed by the local and state governments to the tune of 84 billion annually. Deduct 21.6 billion (cost of wall) from 113 billion and the delta is roughly 91 billion for one calendar year (not total savings obviously).

THIS ARGUMENT MAY BE EFFECTIVE TOWARD FISCALLY COMPETENT SUPREMACISTS, WHICH IS THE ONLY GROUP YOU DON'T NEED TO PROPAGANDIZE


If we could reverse the following 3 USC rulings and 1 legislative act, we wouldn't need a wall. But until Ron Paul and other emotionally vulnerable libertarians can provide a miraculous legal roadmap to do so, the only logical course of action is to build a physical barrier to prevent entry. The Hoppean strategy of physical access denial is the last civil answer that has not been fully usurped by the U.S. court system.

14th Amendment Birthright Citizenship Clause that originally only applied to recently freed slaves:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States

Plyler v. Doe which guarantees publicly financed education to non- citizens:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/457/202

Graham v. Richardson which prohibits states from denying benefits to noncitizens:
http://immigrationtounitedstates.org/526-graham-v-richardson.html

The Reagan Era legislation which guarantees so-called 'emergency' medical treatment to anyone no matter their citizenship status or ability to pay:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act

As we can see above, 'Ending the welfare state for illegals' is a hollow, disingenuous argument not grounded in reality.

[r3volution 3.0]

Maybe they are laughing because they are all RINOs and knew all along that Trump was a plant, a newly-minted RINO, a puppet with the hand of the deep state up his ass like every other president in the last half-century+?

That would be my guess.

They're laughing at the rubes who actually thought Trump was going to build a wall and thereby re-greatify 'Merica.


Unless the detractors don't possess doors inside the entrance jambs of their residences, they shouldn't scoff at the idea of a wall.

Unless one thinks all land in the US ought to be owned communistically by the voters, one shouldn't make this analogy.


This is a piece of 'family-centric' data that I would like to separate both myself and my wallet from.

http://americanthinker.com/images/bucket/2014-05/192439_5_.png

Another chart for your contemplation

https://i.imgur.com/Nha4h57.png

[surf]

the worst aspect of this has to do with this being a "campaign promise," as if that carries more weight. just like there were a lot of people dumb enough to believe that the last idiot would close Guantanamo and be transparent, or the idiot prior to that who promised a "humble" foreign policy. it would have been refreshing to see those more liberty-based promises kept. the current dumbass-in-chief seemed to imply that, other than "bombing the shit" out of isis, he would support certain less hawkish aspects relative to intervention. I have no idea how many bought this.

but a border wall is just a stupid fucking idea. i'd prefer to think that those that voted for this dipshit did so because he wasn't Hillary rather than some incomprehensible belief that a wall made any sense.

[Ender]

the worst aspect of this has to do with this being a "campaign promise," as if that carries more weight. just like there were a lot of people dumb enough to believe that the last idiot would close Guantanamo and be transparent, or the idiot prior to that who promised a "humble" foreign policy. it would have been refreshing to see those more liberty-based promises kept. the current dumbass-in-chief seemed to imply that, other than "bombing the $#@!" out of isis, he would support certain less hawkish aspects relative to intervention. I have no idea how many bought this.

but a border wall is just a stupid $#@!ing idea. i'd prefer to think that those that voted for this dip$#@! did so because he wasn't Hillary rather than some incomprehensible belief that a wall made any sense.



Don't hold your breathe. ;)

[AuH20]

Encouraging. Build the wall and make Nancy Pelosi sob uncontrollably.

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[Superfluous Man]

That would be my guess.

They're laughing at the rubes who actually thought Trump was going to build a wall and thereby re-greatify 'Merica.



Unless one thinks all land in the US ought to be owned communistically by the voters, one shouldn't make this analogy.



Another chart for your contemplation

https://i.imgur.com/Nha4h57.png

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to r3volution 3.0 again."

[CPUd]

http://i.imgur.com/3Gstf76.jpg

[Ender]

Sorta like this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xhiQgtyMH8

[r3volution 3.0]

Per FAIR, illegal immigration collectively costs the U.S. 113 billion annually.

Subtract the part of those costs which is for enforcement of immigration laws ($8 billion just federal) and you get $105 billion.

Divide that by $15 billion (about the amount of tax they pay) and you get 7; so they get 7x more in benefits than they pay in taxes.

Whereas, the bottom 10% of income earners in the US in general receive about 10x in benefits what they pay in taxes.

In other words, the issue isn't that they're foreign, it's that they're poor, and there's a big welfare state.

You might as well just start deporting random poor people, regardless of country of origin.

...or you could focus on cutting welfare (the actual problem).

[AuH20]

Subtract the part of those costs which is for enforcement of immigration laws ($8 billion just federal) and you get $105 billion.

Divide that by $15 billion (about the amount of tax they pay) and you get 7; so they get 7x more in benefits than they pay in taxes.

Whereas, the bottom 10% of income earners in the US in general receive about 10x in benefits what they pay in taxes.

In other words, the issue isn't that they're foreign, it's that they're poor, and there's a big welfare state.

You might as well just start deporting random poor people, regardless of country of origin.

...or you could focus on cutting welfare (the actual problem).


Please elaborate how we cut access to welfare? I'm all ears. See my post #32 above for the entrenched legal obstacles.

[r3volution 3.0]

Please elaborate how we cut access to welfare? I'm all ears. See my post #32 above for the entrenched legal obstacles.

Please elaborate on how we deport illegal immigrants, given the entrenched legal/political obstacles.

We have a President who ran on the platform; tell me by what date you expect it to be accomplished.

I'm all ears.

[PierzStyx]

21.6 billion for a wall is deemed fiscally irresponsible, but 2+ trillion for a full scale invasion of Syria is more than reasonable. God forbid we spend any stolen loot to prevent the country from plunging into the ethnic and socialist abyss that currently defines California. i

One bit of idiocy -war spending in Syria- doesn't justify another bit of idiocy - spending billions on a border wall. When you add to the fact that it simply wouldn't work (if El Chapo can dig a tunnel under a prison and break out the cartels can certainly do it to a wall too big to man) the whole idea is ludicrous.

Curious how you're all for using violence to forcibly redistribute wealth from those being taxes to build your wall and yet have the gall to condemn anyone else for Socialism.