Freedom Caucus Folds : "We're not repealing Obamacare."

[jllundqu]

The Freedom Caucus has folded. Rep. Mark Sanford, Rep. Jim Jordan, and the rest of the Freedom Caucus have surrendered.


“The truth is, we’re not repealing the Affordable Care Act,” Sanford said frankly. “Even though there’d been a lot of fanfare when we had a Democratic president and it couldn’t go into effect … a lot of chest-beating and saying ‘We’ve gotta repeal, we’ve gotta repeal, we’ve gotta repeal,’ when push comes to shove now that we have the chance, they were not willing to bring that bill [an earlier bill repealing Obamacare] forward.”

snip


The Freedom Caucus, a congressional caucus formed in 2015 by conservative members of the House, has been persuaded to support the latest health care bill thanks to the MacArthur Amendment, which would allow states to seek waivers for Affordable Care Act provisions that aim to protect people with pre-existing conditions.

“While the revised version still does not fully repeal Obamacare, we are prepared to support it to keep our promise to the American people to lower healthcare costs,” the Freedom Caucus said in a statement.


http://www.theblaze.com/video/gop-congressman-were-not-repealing-obamacare/


What a crock of shit.

[Origanalist]

I guess we better vote harder.

[Jan2017]

http://www.theblaze.com/video/gop-congressman-were-not-repealing-obamacare/

“The truth is, we’re not repealing the Affordable Care Act,” Sanford said frankly.
"When push comes to shove now that we have the chance, House leadership were not willing to bring that bill forward
[an earlier bill repealing Obamacare].”


Why wouldn't Paul Ryan move the repeal bill before them forward to a vote . . . (?)
at least see who is where for 2018 mid-terms.

[CCTelander]

Maybe, if we vote hard enough in the next election, we can fix this right up.

[Jan2017]

Maybe, if we vote hard enough in the next election, we can fix this right up.

Or blow this up right now, by starting the process of getting rid of RINO Ryan.

If it is not a repeal of Ocare then the Freedom Caucus should pass on it again, and again, and again if necessary
until Marathon Man gets the idea into his head to put repeal to the House floor at least.

[Origanalist]

Or blow this up right now, by starting the process of getting rid of RINO Ryan.

If it is not a repeal of Ocare then the Freedom Caucus should pass on it again, and again, and again if necessary
until Marathon Man gets the idea into his head to put repeal to the floor at least.

It doesn't appear that is going to happen.

[Matt Collins]

Maybe, if we vote hard enough in the next election, we can fix this right up.
Actually it is true. If enough RINOs lose their primaries next year over this, then it will make it easier for full repeal the next time around. Sorry you are unable to think more than one step at a time.

[William Tell]

:mad::(

[Origanalist]

Actually it is true. If enough RINOs lose their primaries next year over this, then it will make it easier for full repeal the next time around. Sorry you are unable to think more than one step at a time.

:D

[Lamp]

Maybe if we run for the hills and the pine forests and live like hitchhikers the situation will resolve itself

[CPUd]

Maybe if we run for the hills and the pine forests and live like hitchikers the situation will resolve itself

Most folks who were gonna do that did it in 2012

[William Tell]

I was depressed until I remembered dannno previously reassured us that Trump is secretly pushing #FullRepeal and #RandsPlan. When can we expect Trump to come out in favor of it publicly?

[jllundqu]

I was depressed until I remembered dannno previously reassured us that Trump is secretly pushing #FullRepeal and #RandsPlan. When can we expect Trump to come out in favor of it publicly?

Well he's been 100% right about Trump so far. Ryan should be resigning as House Speaker any minute. Trump will be passing Rand's plan any minute. Trump will become a non-interventionist at any minute. Trump will cut the deficit any day now. The god emperor is just laying low until he has the deep state right where he wants him.... Trump's a genius... or didn't you know?

[CPUd]

857326221608333317
https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/857326221608333317

[jmdrake]

Actually it is true. If enough RINOs lose their primaries next year over this, then it will make it easier for full repeal the next time around. Sorry you are unable to think more than one step at a time.

Only if they lose their primaries to pro liberty candidates. And for that to happen, Trump needs to be on the side of liberty, or his supporters need to wake the hell up. Sadly I wouldn't bet on either of those two possibilities occurring. Face it. The RINO's won the 3D chess match because we as a movement came to believe that every time liberty principles were violated somebody was playing "3D chess." Yes I know, Rand's good and all that. But many people here, for some odd reason, cannot tell the difference between someone who's been pro liberty his whole life playing a role to get teocon votes and someone who's been a progressive his entire life playing a role in the opposite direction to get teocon votes. Folks here get angry when you point out that in 2000 Trump was openly calling for an assault weapons ban.

[phill4paul]

Freedom Caucus you had one job....
https://i.stack.imgur.com/hl9F8.jpg

[CPUd]

857619795033903105
https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/857619795033903105

[shakey1]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/l2Jej8hv5IbH1dhvO/giphy.gif

[CPUd]

857604537003200512
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/857604537003200512

[Matt Collins]

Only if they lose their primaries to pro liberty candidates. Not necessarily. If they lose their election and the new people coming in, plus the ones that are still there, understand that the reason seats were lost was over a specific issue, I guarantee you they will not take that issue up again in the same way (see my signature).

It's like prison, kick someone's ass the first day, everyone leaves you alone. Politicians are children. If they realize they get burned by doing something, or they watch their friends get burned, then they are not going to do it.



But many people here, for some odd reason, cannot tell the difference between someone who's been pro liberty his whole life playing a role to get teocon votes and someone who's been a progressive his entire life playing a role in the opposite direction to get teocon votes. Folks here get angry when you point out that in 2000 Trump was openly calling for an assault weapons ban.
Because humans run on emotion and not logic/rationale unfortunately. :(

[jllundqu]

Ron Paul = Cured my apathy.

2016-2017 = Don't give a fuck. Going back to my bunker.

[Jan2017]

857619795033903105
https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/857619795033903105

Ryan doing an ankle grab here for a "Democrat condition' to prevent their vote against government funding and for a shut down ?

Rand, Mike Lee, maybe Cruz and maybe Cotton could sink a House healthcare bill in the Senate as a "GOP condition" for the House Majority "leader".

"There's a long history in modern politics of House members walking the plank for legislation that not only fails to become law
but never even gets a vote in the Senate," Sen. Cotton said last month.
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/US-Health-Overhaul-Cotton/2017/03/18/id/779449/

[PierzStyx]

It doesn't appear that is going to happen.

It doesn't appear getting rid of Ryan would even matter. Ryan isn't a RINO, he is exactly what Republicans have always been since Lincoln was elected President, the party of big government solutions.

[dannno]

Focus on taxes now, this may be a strategy to get the tax plan passed. When the health care battle comes up again we will see if this is true.

[Jan2017]

It doesn't appear getting rid of Ryan would even matter.

Ryan was all grandstanding to have his plan voted on for the seventh anniversary of Ocare being signed . . .
chickened out of the vote to avoid a public bloodbath and humiliation, and now he has Dems telling him when to vote on health care. LOL

[The Proservative]

There is no TRUE identity anymore, no true "Conservative", no true "Republican", nothing to immediately hold politicians accountable to their campaign promises AFTER they are elected. Sure, we could vote em out in 2-6 years after their term is up, but these politicians know this going in and play according to election cycles.

A politician could almost never become a Proservative and remain one because as soon as they went against any of our 13 principles in word and/or action, they'd immediately be stripped of their Proservative title / membership and could no longer legally call themselves a Proservative. If there is another way to hold people accountable to their stated principles, I have yet to come across it.

[The Proservative]

There is no TRUE identity anymore, no true "Conservative", no true "Republican", nothing to immediately hold politicians accountable to their campaign promises AFTER they are elected. Sure, we could vote em out in 2-6 years after their term is up, but these politicians know this going in and play according to election cycles.

A politician could almost never become a Proservative and remain one because as soon as they went against any of our 13 principles in word and/or action, they'd immediately be stripped of their Proservative title / membership and could no longer legally call themselves a Proservative. If there is another way to hold people accountable to their stated principles, I have yet to come across it.

[oyarde]

When have you guys seen govt programs voted out once in place ?

[Anti Federalist]

When have you guys seen govt programs voted out once in place ?

Never...it never goes away...it might get rehashed and rebranded sometimes, but it always come back in the end.

And those who tell it will if just vote harder....and those people that get the votes...they are this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awY1MRlMKMc

[AuH20]

Politicians are representative of their constituents. We the People are a generally sad lot.

[AuH20]

Carroll Quigley was right. It's no longer conjecture or conspiratorial hearsay.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Right-Left-divide-and-rule-paradigm.png

[Anti Federalist]

Carroll Quigley was right. It's no longer conjecture or conspiratorial hearsay.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Right-Left-divide-and-rule-paradigm.png

Of course it's not...we've been warned about this for 60 years or more now.

It was decided post WWII that we would not be allowed to run our own lives, let alone our own government.

[TheTexan]

The only way we don't lose Republican seats in the next election is if we get something passed.

So the best thing to do, is to pass whatever bill Ryan puts on the table, and then spend the next 4 years talking about how great it is.

It's the best way forward. Otherwise we'll lose seats to the Democrats in the next election (which would be even worse).

[eleganz]

I can't believe anybody here actually thought Obamacare was going to be repealed. Even Rand knew there was not going to be a full repeal and that is why he introduced a replacement.

We have a lot of slow libertarians here.

[TheTexan]

I can't believe anybody here actually thought Obamacare was going to be repealed. Even Rand knew there was not going to be a full repeal and that is why he introduced a replacement.

We have a lot of slow libertarians here.

Paul Ryan made a very convincing argument on why it can't be repealed. Obamacare is such a disaster, and has caused such disastrous consequences, that it can't be repealed - because that would be even more of a disaster.

We have to be smart about it, like repealing parts of Obamacare and replacing those parts with something better. Like free healthcare.

[Jan2017]

Paul Ryan's first plan - with Trump diving headfirst into the quicksand fast enough - was worse than Ocare is - and arguably lacking enough constitutional muster, if considered as an age tax mandated to insurance monopolies.

The Freedom Caucus prevented a worse mistake in round one, although Ryan-Trumpcare was DOA in the Senate with at least Mike Lee and Rand looking like no votes.

A 100 days in . . . with a majority in his House as well as over in the Senate, and the GOP nominee winning the WH -
and Paul Ryan has managed the GOP "losing seats" scenarios - it didn't take him, along with Rinse Pubis in the WH, all that long to eff up with those majorities.

[Keith and stuff]

I guess we better vote harder.

There is no fixing the federal government. Something like that might work in a low population state that already leans somewhat pro-liberty.

[Jan2017]

Paul Ryan is saying that House will vote "when they have the votes" . . .
No "artificial deadline" this time [look-ey . . . Paul Ryan is "learning" some]

NYTimes counts 18 GOP moderates that could vote "no" -
22 votes (?) is the magic number for another Ryan loss with this Ocare revision 2.1

[specsaregood]

The Freedom Caucus, a congressional caucus formed in 2015 by conservative members of the House, has been persuaded to support the latest health care bill thanks to the MacArthur Amendment, which would allow states to seek waivers for Affordable Care Act provisions that aim to protect people with pre-existing conditions.

what a totally gutless amendment too. putting the blame on the individual states to remove the preexisting conditions clause. also don't like the sound of "seek waivers" which implies it could be denied.

[Occam's Banana]

Focus on taxes now, this may be a strategy to get the tax plan passed.

You mean like the last health care battle was a strategy to get Ryan ousted?


When the health care battle comes up again we will see if this is true.

Jam tomorrow, jam yesterday, never jam today.

[Noob]

Freedom Caucus chair: Trump ‘just a few’ votes short on health care bill

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/28/mark-meadows-obamacare-repeal-bill-votes-237740

[jllundqu]

If a GOP controlled everything can't do THE simplest thing they campaigned on, repeal obamacare, then they should just suck start a pistol and let the dems run everything.

[helmuth_hubener]

Maybe if we run for the hills and the pine forests and live like hitchhikers the situation will resolve itself

HitoKitchi, I don't know who you are, but with that post I no longer believe you're a teenager. It's too cynical and sophisticated.

[helmuth_hubener]

If a GOP controlled everything can't do THE simplest thing they campaigned on, repeal obamacare, then they should just suck start a pistol and let the dems run everything.

Sums it up.

If Republicans want to win (which would be mostly, though not all, very good for us), all they need to do is follow my simple, guaranteed-to-succeed plan:

• Eliminate the fillibuster.

Steamroll through everything.

Steamroll through everything else.

Keep steamrolling.

Repeal every last thing that the Democrats have ever passed for the past 128 (because not Cleveland -- some of his stuff can stay (though not ICC)) years.

Pass everything you can think of that Democrats will hate. It doesn't even matter if it's bad or good, just that the Democrats hate it. The more they hate it, the better.

Take all money away from every leftist nexus: single moms, unions, minorities, universities. Bleed them dry. Don't leave them a penny. I'm not talking just stop giving them trillions (obvious), I'm talking take away all their stuff. Confiscate it. Burn it. Make them destitute, starving on the streets.

• Make 100 new federal circuits. The left stacked the bench under Carter. There's never been any counter. Any response. The Right just let them get away with it. The courts have been permanently leftist ever since. So.... that's over. 100 new circuits. All staffed by the most hard-core, militant, traditionalist right-wing ninjas on planet Earth.

Reverse every precedent. Undo it all.

Make it un-Constitutional to not segregate schools. Again, it doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, just that the left goes apoplectic. Make it un-Constitutional to get divorced. Make being a single mother a Federal crime, falling under treason, and threaten to start hanging them. There's an almost unlimited number of ideas to be tried! Poke those r-selected amygdalae.

• Targeted assassinations. The left has long been willing to kill to win, and has repeatedly done so. With success. With impunity. And with no consequences, no counter-killings. It's been the most one-sided war of all time. So kill them. Kill them all.



That is how to win, Matt Collins. It's all quite doable. First step: want to win.

[jllundqu]

Sums it up.

If Republicans want to win (which would be mostly, though not all, very good for us), all they need to do is follow my simple, guaranteed-to-succeed plan:

• Eliminate the fillibuster.

Steamroll through everything.

Steamroll through everything else.

Keep steamrolling.

Repeal every last thing that the Democrats have ever passed for the past 128 (because not Cleveland -- some of his stuff can stay (though not ICC)) years.

Pass everything you can think of that Democrats will hate. It doesn't even matter if it's bad or good, just that the Democrats hate it. The more they hate it, the better.

Take all money away from every leftist nexus: single moms, unions, minorities, universities. Bleed them dry. Don't leave them a penny. I'm not talking just stop giving them trillions (obvious), I'm talking take away all their stuff. Confiscate it. Burn it. Make them destitute, starving on the streets.

• Make 100 new federal circuits. The left stacked the bench under Carter. There's never been any counter. Any response. The Right just let them get away with it. The courts have been permanently leftist ever since. So.... that's over. 100 new circuits. All staffed by the most hard-core, militant, traditionalist right-wing ninjas on planet Earth.

Reverse every precedent. Undo it all.

Make it un-Constitutional to not segregate schools. Again, it doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, just that the left goes apoplectic. Make it un-Constitutional to get divorced. Make being a single mother a Federal crime, falling under treason, and threaten to start hanging them. There's an almost unlimited number of ideas to be tried! Poke those r-selected amygdalae.

• Targeted assassinations. The left has long been willing to kill to win, and has repeatedly done so. With success. With impunity. And with no consequences, no counter-killings. It's been the most one-sided war of all time. So kill them. Kill them all.



That is how to win, Matt Collins. It's all quite doable. First step: want to win.

A man can dream, but I think civil war would happen long before the gop grew even the tiniest set of balls.

[helmuth_hubener]

A man can dream, but I think civil war would happen long before the gop grew even the tiniest set of balls.

Yeah. One thing to remember, though: there is no "The GOP" any more than there's "The Democrats." All you need is people. Some people. Very few, relatively. But with extreme commitment. There aren't that many ultra-leftists bombing buildings and assassinating strategic targets, but there are more than enough that they've had a huge impact on history. All you'd need is a few rightist killers to make a huge impact and level the field of play.

[Badger Paul]

Did it ever occur to anyone here that the Republicans are not repealing the ACA because, well...they actually like it?

Not that they agree with providing universal health care of course but now that its the law of the land they can consistently oppose it, denounce it, run against, raise money in their opposition, and let it go on so long as the issue exists that fires up their base of support against it. That's why they call it "Obamacare". Their base hates "Obama", get it?

And in fact the ACA becomes useful because as premiums rise they can always blame the Dems for it as they did last year (which proved to be very important in Trump's win) and if operates incompetently as govt' programs often do, they can use the example to say "big government doesn 't work."

And at the same time, so long as most people are covered (more or less), they don't have to worry about constructing their own plan that will be incredibly unpopular because they don't believe in universal coverage.

So what you see is really a charade of opposition to make it seem like they're trying to do something about Obamacare when the reality is they've made their peace with it and look to use it to their political advantage.

Rand Paul is the same way. He's knows his "plan" has no chance in hell in passing but so long as he holds out for "his plan" any repeal of the ACA will never pass the Senate and thus its still safe for all his Kentucky constituents to take advantage of.

And why should House members stick out their political necks for something that's not going to pass the Senate? Hmmm?

So why would they repeal it when it in reality it benefits them in the end? As someone who sees the same dynamic at work from the GOP when it comes to abortion (the GOP will run against Roe v. Wade but doesn't want to see it overturned) do not underestimate the depth of their cynicism and their knowledge that most GOP voters are more than willing chumps and suckers, as Conservative INC. proves again and again.

The Rollins video is the perfect example of the relationship between the Trump voter and Trump.

[TheTexan]

There is no fixing the federal government. Something like that might work in a low population state that already leans somewhat pro-liberty.

I agree, I think Texas is a great place to focus our efforts

[devil21]

Actually it is true. If enough RINOs lose their primaries next year over this, then it will make it easier for full repeal the next time around. Sorry you are unable to think more than one step at a time.

The only way that happens is if the Fed free money spigot is shut off so that special interests can't buy elections. That may very well happen before the next primaries but if that happens, there won't be any elections because we'd be in the midst of a collapse and martial law scenario.

[TheTexan]

Actually it is true. If enough RINOs lose their primaries next year over this, then it will make it easier for full repeal the next time around. Sorry you are unable to think more than one step at a time.

I think we can do it but we'll need your help. Can you get 3-4 more Rand's elected for us in the next cycle?

You're the only one I know that can do this

[phill4paul]

If a GOP controlled everything can't do THE simplest thing they campaigned on, repeal obamacare, then they should just suck start a pistol and let the dems run everything.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jllundqu again.

[helmuth_hubener]

I think we can do it but we'll need your help. Can you get 3-4 more Rand's elected for us in the next cycle?

You're the only one I know that can do this

I was actually about to +rep you for this, because it was very funny, but you know what? Forget that.

Matt may be arrogant and annoying but he has actually done something. He stuck his neck out. He's done some work for the sake of trying to save this country. What are *you* doing? It's real easy to snipe and criticize and sneer at everything and everyone. To just sneeer.

You're off-track. You wanna sneer? Sneer at the enemy. You don't sneer at your own.

http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/getalifeloser

[TheTexan]

I was actually about to +rep you for this, because it was very funny, but you know what? Forget that.

Matt may be arrogant and annoying but he has actually done something. He stuck his neck out. He's done some work for the sake of trying to save this country. What are *you* doing? It's real easy to snipe and criticize and sneer at everything and everyone. To just sneeer.

You're off-track. You wanna sneer? Sneer at the enemy. You don't sneer at your own.

http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/getalifeloser

No, I'm serious, Matt may be the only one that can pull it off. I'm an amateur voter by comparison - Matt's the real deal.

If it's possible to get liberty bills passed by a Federal congress, I am 100% confident that it would only be possible, with Matt's direct involvement.

I really couldn't be more serious.

[helmuth_hubener]

Did it ever occur to anyone here that the Republicans are not repealing the ACA because, well...they actually like it?

Umm, duh?

That's the politicians, though, not the general Republican populace who obviously hate it, as they do so many other things. So, what needs to happen? For the laymen Republicans to start caring. A lot. Caring like the leftists care, not sort of halfheartedly like present. What's going to make them care? Well, SJW over-playing of their hand is helping. First anti-Trump and now Anti-fam rioting, also helpful.

But what will really do it? More and more high-profile leftist gloating about how whites are soon to become a demographic minority (and an extremely hated, persecuted minority). This is the message, probably the only message (at least that comes to mind at the moment -- feel free to contribute your ideas for catalysts, anyone!), that will activate the K-selected amygdalas to finally frown, furrow their eyebrows, get slowly up out of their chairs, and start methodically destroying their enemies with a cold, implacable fury that will never die. Until all their enemies do.

[helmuth_hubener]

I'm an amateur voter by comparison

Matt is not encouraging anyone to vote any more than any number of other people on the site, and he is not doing it particularly often nor well. There is no risk of a sudden stampede of Matt-copycats forming from RPFs and wasting their time voting. None.

Even if someone somewhere does decide to start voting, how much time will they spend on that per annum, vs. how much time you're spending per annum trying to convince them not to? Who is really wasting his time? Hmm?

I haven't interfered with your project up to now. You want to waste your time endlessly satirizing voting, fine. You (presumably) think that will help further liberty somehow and make a contribution. Who am I to judge? But I could change my mind. And if you start/keep attacking specific liberty-lovers -- and attacking them specifically for the very efforts they have made to sincerely try to help you and further your agenda! -- then your caustic reign here may need to come to an end.

[dannno]

Did it ever occur to anyone here that the Republicans are not repealing the ACA because, well...they actually like it?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YJt0E4MiO6E/hqdefault.jpg

[TheTexan]

Matt is not encouraging anyone to vote any more than any number of other people on the site, and he is not doing it particularly often nor well. There is no risk of a sudden stampede of Matt-copycats forming from RPFs and wasting their time voting. None.

Even if someone somewhere does decide to start voting, how much time will they spend on that per annum, vs. how much time you're spending per annum trying to convince them not to? Who is really wasting his time? Hmm?

I haven't interfered with your project up to now. You want to waste your time endlessly satirizing voting, fine. You (presumably) think that will help further liberty somehow and make a contribution. Who am I to judge? But I could change my mind. And if you start/keep attacking specific liberty-lovers -- and attacking them specifically for the very efforts they have made to sincerely try to help you and further your agenda! -- then your caustic reign here may need to come to an end.

Matt thinks its possible to kick the RINO's out and repeal Obamacare.

And if that is actually possible... I firmly believe, it would only be possible, with Matt's help.

I truly believe that.

[kcchiefs6465]

Focus on taxes now, this may be a strategy to get the tax plan passed. When the health care battle comes up again we will see if this is true.
I wonder if Trump's threat to the Freedom Caucus had any bearing on their change of tone?

[CPUd]

Did it ever occur to anyone here that the Republicans are not repealing the ACA because, well...they actually like it?

Not that they agree with providing universal health care of course but now that its the law of the land they can consistently oppose it, denounce it, run against, raise money in their opposition, and let it go on so long as the issue exists that fires up their base of support against it. That's why they call it "Obamacare". Their base hates "Obama", get it?

And in fact the ACA becomes useful because as premiums rise they can always blame the Dems for it as they did last year (which proved to be very important in Trump's win) and if operates incompetently as govt' programs often do, they can use the example to say "big government doesn 't work."

And at the same time, so long as most people are covered (more or less), they don't have to worry about constructing their own plan that will be incredibly unpopular because they don't believe in universal coverage.

So what you see is really a charade of opposition to make it seem like they're trying to do something about Obamacare when the reality is they've made their peace with it and look to use it to their political advantage.

Rand Paul is the same way. He's knows his "plan" has no chance in hell in passing but so long as he holds out for "his plan" any repeal of the ACA will never pass the Senate and thus its still safe for all his Kentucky constituents to take advantage of.

And why should House members stick out their political necks for something that's not going to pass the Senate? Hmmm?

So why would they repeal it when it in reality it benefits them in the end? As someone who sees the same dynamic at work from the GOP when it comes to abortion (the GOP will run against Roe v. Wade but doesn't want to see it overturned) do not underestimate the depth of their cynicism and their knowledge that most GOP voters are more than willing chumps and suckers, as Conservative INC. proves again and again.

The Rollins video is the perfect example of the relationship between the Trump voter and Trump.

Public support for ACA hit a majority around the same time as the inauguration. Politically, it is headed in the direction of Medicare- old folks who vote don't like the politicians dicking around with the system they're used to and dependent on. Remember the "debate" in 2012 between Joe Biden and Paul Ryan, Biden just sat there and laughed at whatever Ryan was saying, then Biden would say something like, "folks, he wants to take away your health care and cut your Social Security. We're not gonna do that."

[dannno]

I wonder if Trump's threat to the Freedom Caucus had any bearing on their change of tone?

https://static.sportskeeda.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/lesnarrrrrr-1470188832-800.jpg

[Wooden Indian]

I don't put ANY faith in any of these people. None. I will continue to "hideout" in my off grid dump, make my own life as best as I can, and wait for the fallout.

We are beyond hope.

[nobody's_hero]

I've been thinking of getting out of the healthcare system. Don't know what I'd go back to school for but if Obamacare remains I'd rather scrub toilets at a truck stop than keep on as a nurse.