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Anti Federalist
04-26-2017, 01:04 PM
So it's not just idiot AmeriKans that are falling all over themselves to make the banksters richer, and subject themselves to a phenomenal level of surveillance and control because...well, I'm not quite sure why...convenience?



Cashless society getting closer, survey finds

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-economy-cash-idUSKBN17S001

Business News | Wed Apr 26, 2017 | 1:52pm EDT

By Jeremy Gaunt | LONDON

More than a third of Europeans and Americans would be happy to go without cash and rely on electronic forms of payment if they could, and at least 20 percent already pretty much do so, a study showed on Wednesday.

The study, which was conducted in 13 European countries, the United States and Australia, also found that in many places where cash is most used, people are among the keenest to ditch it.

Overall, 34 percent of respondents in Europe and 38 percent in the United States said they would be willing to go cash-free, according to the survey conducted by Ipsos for the ING bank website eZonomics.

Twenty-one percent and 34 percent in Europe and the United States, respectively, said they already rarely use cash.

The trend was also clear. More than half of the European respondents said they had used less cash in the past 12 months than previously and 78 percent said they expected to use it even less over the coming 12 months.

Ian Bright, managing director of group research for ING wholesale banking, said he did not believe people would quit cash entirely, but the direction was obvious.

"More and more people will end up with a situation where they can quite comfortably get by for two days, three days, four days, even a week, without ever using cash," he told Reuters Television.

Payment systems such as contactless cards and mobile-phone digital wallets have become so prevalent the issue has become political in some countries.

Cash-loving Germans, for example, have been concerned that a move by the European Central Bank to phase out the 500 euro note by the end of next year is the start of a slippery slope.

Germany is one of the countries that uses cash the most. The ING survey showed only 10 percent of Germans saying they rarely use cash, compared, for example, with 33 percent and 35 percent, respectively, in neighbors Poland and France.

The survey also showed that, in general, countries where cash is much in use were most likely to want to go cashless.

Only 19 percent of Italians said they rarely used cash but 41 percent said they would be willing to go cash. There was a similar trend in Turkey, Romania, the Czech Republic, Spain and even Germany.

phill4paul
04-26-2017, 01:56 PM
Hell, I paid cash for my new/used truck. 65 $100 dollar bills. I pulled them out of my floor safe. If you want my business you'll take my cash or I will go elsewhere. Likewise, if we do business I only accept cash. If you don't like it you can go elsewhere.

EBounding
04-26-2017, 01:59 PM
I've decided to go cash as much as possible. Frankly it's easier since I don't have to deal with reviewing a bunch of mundane purchases and making payments every month. Plus credit cards are specifically designed to make you spend more. If they didn't, what's the value proposition to accept them?

kpitcher
04-26-2017, 02:14 PM
If only more people accepted bitcoin. I see the occasional vendor at a farmer market yet it is still rare. Cashless, can easily work on a smartphone, no banks involved.

phill4paul
04-26-2017, 02:25 PM
I've decided to go cash as much as possible. Frankly it's easier since I don't have to deal with reviewing a bunch of mundane purchases and making payments every month. Plus credit cards are specifically designed to make you spend more. If they didn't, what's the value proposition to accept them?

I have only one credit card. It is a gas card. I pay in full every month. I checked my credit score about 2 months ago. 730. :) Not like I plan on borrowing or anything like that but I find it amusing. The only thing keeping me from a higher score is limited credit history. :p

NorthCarolinaLiberty
04-26-2017, 03:33 PM
I will give cash to merchants so they don't have to pay the credit card fee. I especially do this for owners with whom I know or have a good conversation. Screw the tax man. F*ck him.

kahless
04-26-2017, 03:57 PM
So it's not just idiot AmeriKans that are falling all over themselves to make the banksters richer, and subject themselves to a phenomenal level of surveillance and control because...well, I'm not quite sure why...convenience?

These same people put their entire lives on Facebook. So what do you expect them to do when they are given a choice between paying in cash and getting nothing back or using a credit card knowing the credit card company is going to provide a cash back check the following month or airlines points.

They are effectively paying people to use their credit cards over cash.

DamianTV
04-26-2017, 04:39 PM
I will give cash to merchants so they don't have to pay the credit card fee. I especially do this for owners with whom I know or have a good conversation. Screw the tax man. F*ck him.

Ive seen enough places, usually big businesses that have already started charging for paying in cash. Can anyone say CRAMMING? False advertising? If youre charged for every form of payment that can be made, then the prices listed are deceptive. Charged extra for making a payment by cash, check, online, over the phone, debit / credit card, money order, fish, doesnt matter, thieves demand to take what they want to take. Oh, and when was the last time anyone was able to "negotiate" a price on something?

phill4paul
04-26-2017, 05:04 PM
Ive seen enough places, usually big businesses that have already started charging for paying in cash. Can anyone say CRAMMING? False advertising? If youre charged for every form of payment that can be made, then the prices listed are deceptive. Charged extra for making a payment by cash, check, online, over the phone, debit / credit card, money order, fish, doesnt matter, thieves demand to take what they want to take. Oh, and when was the last time anyone was able to "negotiate" a price on something?

I'm getting ready to start negotiations for a small horn anvil in the corner of a barn I'm being asked to fix up, haven't weighed it but I'd guess +80# looking at it. Didn't notice if it had hardie or pritchel hole. I got my eye it though and am open to negotiations.

devil21
04-26-2017, 09:23 PM
Looks like the standard "poll", meant to influence opinion instead of report it.

Though people are so economically ignorant that I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers are accurate. "Eww, dirty cash? I can't give up my last toeholds of freedom fast enough!"


Ive seen enough places, usually big businesses that have already started charging for paying in cash.

What? That's absurd. I haven't seen anything like that. Where are you seeing that?

oyarde
04-26-2017, 09:30 PM
I pay cash for everything really .

Anti Federalist
04-26-2017, 09:33 PM
I would have said, twenty years ago, that government will force your hand and eliminate and criminalize cash.

But now, with your fellow asshole Amerikunts falling all over themselves to get rid of cash, government won't have to lift a finger.

You'll be forced out of the market...

DamianTV
04-27-2017, 08:30 AM
Looks like the standard "poll", meant to influence opinion instead of report it.

Though people are so economically ignorant that I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers are accurate. "Eww, dirty cash? I can't give up my last toeholds of freedom fast enough!"



What? That's absurd. I haven't seen anything like that. Where are you seeing that?

Cell phone bill.

I can kind of understand a $0.35 fee for using an ATM for purchases less than 5 or 10 bucks, but getting fined for paying in cash, yeah, I went with a different company.

Anti Federalist
04-28-2017, 07:12 PM
So there was supposed to be this big outdoor music festival that turned into a nightmare of poor planning, poor service and tickets that cost over a $100,000.

Get a load of this paragraph:

Fyre Festival, a Luxury Music Weekend, Crumbles in the Bahamas

By JOE COSCARELLI and MELENA RYZIKAPRIL 28, 2017

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/28/arts/music/fyre-festival-ja-rule-bahamas.html?_r=0

...Taxis were hard to come by, in part because the festival had promoted itself as a cashless event, asking attendees to upload funds to digital wristbands instead. So people were stranded without money.

http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Jack-Nicholson-Laugh.gif

donnay
04-28-2017, 07:28 PM
He has been talking about this for twenty-plus years...and everyone laughed.

HOW THE CASHLESS SOCIETY WILL TRACK YOU EVERYWHERE
https://www.infowars.com/how-the-cashless-society-will-track-you-everywhere/

phill4paul
04-28-2017, 07:38 PM
Cashless society = retirement. I'm getting pretty close and I think planets are aligning. :D

Anti Federalist
04-29-2017, 08:13 AM
This whole Fyre Festival thing is really turning out to be hilarious...

Luxury ‘Fyre Festival’ in Bahamas Cancelled As Irate Fans Flee ‘FEMA Death Camp’

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/04/28/ja-rules-luxury-fyre-festival-cancelled-after-irate-fans-flee-fema-death-camp/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/04/28/models-kendall-jenner-bella-hadid-under-fire-for-promoting-scam-luxury-music-festival/

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/04/28/report-festival-goers-expecting-tropical-paradise-packed-with-instagram-models-face-assaults-wild-dogs-instead/

oyarde
04-29-2017, 09:03 AM
Bahama Death Camp . I like it . Good to see improvements over a lifetime .

devil21
04-29-2017, 12:46 PM
So there was supposed to be this big outdoor music festival that turned into a nightmare of poor planning, poor service and tickets that cost over a $100,000.

Get a load of this paragraph:

Fyre Festival, a Luxury Music Weekend, Crumbles in the Bahamas

By JOE COSCARELLI and MELENA RYZIKAPRIL 28, 2017

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/28/arts/music/fyre-festival-ja-rule-bahamas.html?_r=0

...Taxis were hard to come by, in part because the festival had promoted itself as a cashless event, asking attendees to upload funds to digital wristbands instead. So people were stranded without money.

http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Jack-Nicholson-Laugh.gif

That situation is hilarious. Was just reading about it. People were calling it the "Hunger Games for Rich People" lol. 100% scammed out of a boatload of money by a washed up rapper, thanks to a few tweets and shit from models and celebs that didn't even show up. Gotta love social media and cashless events! Sorry, no refunds.

From PEOPLE article:

Tickets for the so-called luxury festival ranged from $4,000 to $250,000, and models like Kendall Jenner, Bella Hadid and Emily Ratajkowski were big promoters of the event on their social media pages.

heavenlyboy34
04-29-2017, 01:12 PM
I have met supposedly full-grown adults who think that if I prefer to pay cash or bitcoin for something big-ticket I'm probably a drug dealer or something. SMFH. :rolleyes: The conditioning of the masses into The Matrix is real, comrades. :(

Dr.3D
04-29-2017, 02:06 PM
But without cash, how can we buy dope? :p

Anti Federalist
04-29-2017, 02:40 PM
That situation is hilarious. Was just reading about it. People were calling it the "Hunger Games for Rich People" lol. 100% scammed out of a boatload of money by a washed up rapper, thanks to a few tweets and shit from models and celebs that didn't even show up. Gotta love social media and cashless events! Sorry, no refunds.

I can not think of any place I'd rather NOT be than on a sweltering desert island in the Bahamas, surrounded by whining millennials and being accosted by rap music.

Nice object lesson in socialism: Lousy food, lousy infrastructure, lousy customer service, wildly overpriced, and equal misery for all.

opal
04-29-2017, 02:55 PM
I can not think of any place I'd rather NOT be than on a sweltering desert island in the Bahamas, surrounded by whining millennials and being accosted by rap music.

Nice object lesson in socialism: Lousy food, lousy infrastructure, lousy customer service, wildly overpriced, and equal misery for all.

I can think of one or two.. same event but in NYC during a blizzard or San Fran... queue the earthquake

Anti Federalist
04-29-2017, 04:03 PM
I can think of one or two.. same event but in NYC during a blizzard or San Fran... queue the earthquake

You haven't had fun until you lived through/driven through a for real blizzard.

unknown
04-29-2017, 08:03 PM
Fucking slaves.

devil21
04-30-2017, 12:07 AM
I can not think of any place I'd rather NOT be than on a sweltering desert island in the Bahamas, surrounded by whining millennials and being accosted by rap music.

Nice object lesson in socialism: Lousy food, lousy infrastructure, lousy customer service, wildly overpriced, and equal misery for all.

I don't generally mind millenials in a party atmosphere and I like old rap so if it was planned and executed well I'd probably enjoy it! For a time period TBD, at least.

Your socialism comparison is well noted though. These idiots relied on others to do the right thing and that's where they fucked up. A Woodstock was about bringing what you could and sharing voluntarily instead of relying on someone else to take fake money and provide the necessities through redistribution. No incentive to sustain yourself or fellow man when you only have imaginary skin in the game...until it's realized that numbers in a wristband won't feed you.

It's so fitting that Amazon boxes were dropped off and they scrambled to take what they could use from them. If only they were delivered by drone!

opal
04-30-2017, 01:25 AM
You haven't had fun until you lived through/driven through a for real blizzard.

Oh.. btdt.. grew up in upstate NY.. not the city.. no likey the city

Wooden Indian
04-30-2017, 10:31 AM
We use both. Most card transactions are amazon and my ejuice purchases though.

Hell, I access my bank account by fingerprint on my phone and often use Samsung Pay at stores.

Keep cash on hand for emergencies and small purchases.

Mordan
04-30-2017, 10:42 AM
cashless allows for negative interests rates.

you can always buy crypto currencies like Bitcoin or gold.

Anti Federalist
04-30-2017, 10:44 AM
Oh.. btdt.. grew up in upstate NY.. not the city.. no likey the city

I did not know that...yup you have BTDT.

I'm in my fifties and still much prefer the change of seasons, cold, snow and winter.

I was just the opposite, BTDT in the tropics and Florida...endless summer liked to have driven me crazy.

opal
04-30-2017, 12:32 PM
I did not know that...yup you have BTDT.

I'm in my fifties and still much prefer the change of seasons, cold, snow and winter.

I was just the opposite, BTDT in the tropics and Florida...endless summer liked to have driven me crazy.

First time I ever whacked my back - 12 y/o shoveling snow.. already almost 6 foot then.. goes with the height territory.
I'm trying to get a little further north - maybe SC.. but for sure off the sand bar peninsula of Fl.. stuff I like to eat doesn't grow well here

Would love to freak out a real estate agent by paying cash...

osan
04-30-2017, 01:04 PM
Hell, I paid cash for my new/used truck. 65 $100 dollar bills. I pulled them out of my floor safe. If you want my business you'll take my cash or I will go elsewhere. Likewise, if we do business I only accept cash. If you don't like it you can go elsewhere.

Heh... in '97 I waltzed into Freehold Dodge, told then I wanted THAT truck, and plonked down the precise amount in cash on the salesman's desk. I thought he was going to have a stroke. He literally didn't know what to do.

Sometime in that same time period I loaned my friend Kristine $30K, which I delivered to her hands in cash, so she could buy a house and escape her douchbag of a husband.

Some months later, she gave me a check for $10K. I went to her bank, her branch and tried to cash it. The teller literally blanched and told me the only way was for me to open an account, which I said wasn't going to happen. The manager got into it with me until I finally laid down the law.

"Is this a valid check?"

"Yes."

"Are there sufficient funds in the account?"

"Yes."

"Is this, then, MY money?"

"Well yes but..."

"Then please get it for me and be aware that I will be back soon with a check for $20K."

I got my money, despite the looks on their faces as if a donkey had just come in their mouths. About a month later I was back with the bigger check. That time I got no shit from them because they knew they were wasting their time with me.

I take no prisoners where such nonsense is concerned. "How do we know this isn't drug money?" Really? I stuffed them big time on that one. Mindless, vacuous-eye, empty-headed animals.

Mordan
04-30-2017, 03:07 PM
Heh... in '97 I waltzed into Freehold Dodge, told then I wanted THAT truck, and plonked down the precise amount in cash on the salesman's desk. I thought he was going to have a stroke. He literally didn't know what to do.

Sometime in that same time period I loaned my friend Kristine $30K, which I delivered to her hands in cash, so she could buy a house and escape her douchbag of a husband.

Some months later, she gave me a check for $10K. I went to her bank, her branch and tried to cash it. The teller literally blanched and told me the only way was for me to open an account, which I said wasn't going to happen. The manager got into it with me until I finally laid down the law.

"Is this a valid check?"

"Yes."

"Are there sufficient funds in the account?"

"Yes."

"Is this, then, MY money?"

"Well yes but..."

"Then please get it for me and be aware that I will be back soon with a check for $20K."

I got my money, despite the looks on their faces as if a donkey had just come in their mouths. About a month later I was back with the bigger check. That time I got no $#@! from them because they knew they were wasting their time with me.

I take no prisoners where such nonsense is concerned. "How do we know this isn't drug money?" Really? I stuffed them big time on that one. Mindless, vacuous-eye, empty-headed animals.

Good story. What if police arrest you and take your cash just because?

osan
04-30-2017, 05:07 PM
Good story. What if police arrest you and take your cash just because?

Good question. These days, they risk being shot. I brook no theft, no matter who they are or the purport they may claim. Very dangerous game, that, so I would work diligently to avoid such people.

Of course, I no longer have money, so it's a moot point. Used to always carry no less that $3K cash at all times, sometimes a lot more than that. Never had problems, and was always armed.

Was at the old carpet mill in Freehold one day thinking whether I should buy it and make it a base for the NJ Blacksmith Association. All of a sudden Patrolman Ward sees me, stops me, and lies by telling me I'd walked into a drug sting setup; that there were no less than some 30 officers on the roof. Bullshit. I am well trained in observation and going into the shit-section of Freehold Borough, you can bet I scoped things out well before entering the premises.

But they had to play cop, so I went along. They wanted my ID. OK. They see the cash, I dunno, prob. ca. $5K-$6K, which was typical for me in those days because I used no credit cards save AMEX for business expenses, which was how I knew which expenditures were which. Asked if I was trolling hookers. Saw cash and said to the effect that I expected to believe I was not coming to score dope with all this money. I politely told him I didn't care what he thought, at which point he pretty well knew he was dealing with a cool customer and let me go.

I've walked around with more than $100K in a briefcase. I've never feared being robbed because when badass mofo' meets crazyass mofo' trained in a broad spectrum of the martial arts, the former always loses to the latter. I am the latter. I carried a gun illegally when I lived in NYC and NJ for many years because I was not about to surrender so much as a penny to any Tom, Dick, or Harry who thought they were entitled to my hard-earned properties. And yes, I'd plug anyone trying to rob me. It is not only my right, but my duty to self and the community to suffer no criminal's wrongful acts. The scumbag I let go may go on to take someone's life later. I know I'm not responsible for that, but I cannot claim that such thoughts do not enter my mind. I am bushi (samurai) and will not live the life of a coward. Never have, and I don't intend on starting now.

That is one reason I live in WV. Polite people, much mostly, and I have no fear of going to prison for arming myself for all Lawful purposes.

The world needs warrior culture... TRUE warrior culture and not the false imbecilities with the appellation stenciled on the way Muslims do, just to use one easy example. I mean the real thing, which entails the expert knowledge in proper human relations. Anything less is bullshit culture masquerading as something far better than it really is.

That's my story, and I'm sticking with it. :)

parocks
05-01-2017, 05:28 AM
25 years ago I was using a bank card for purchases more than I do now. Now I use cash for almost all minor purchases that can be made with cash.