Trump admin prepares charges to seek arrest of WikiLeaks' Julian Assange

[Anti-Neocon]

Trump fighting that deep state like no one else could.

Sources: US prepares charges to seek arrest of WikiLeaks' Julian Assange (http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/20/politics/julian-assange-wikileaks-us-charges/index.html)

I wonder what embarrassing comments cognitive dissonance will produce this time from the Trumpkin crowd.

[dannno]

CNN fake news?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUtT0b0EnSw

[Anti-Neocon]

CNN fake news?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUtT0b0EnSw
Flip flop

[dannno]

Flip flop

Verified?

[jllundqu]

I love it.... Trump once praised Wikileaks and Assange and railed against Hillary's policies.

Now he wants to arrest Assange and has adopted many of Hillary's policies.

Joke's on you Trumpa-loompas!

Explain yourself out of this one..... lmao. "He's fighting the deep state! I promise! You'll see! This is super duper secret strategy!"

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder964/500x/68169964/crying-face-that-face-you-get-when-you-realize-youve-been-played.jpg

[dannno]

Now he wants to arrest Assange and has adopted many of Hillary's policies.


Evidence?

[jllundqu]

http://www.businessinsider.com/wikileaks-criminal-charges-justice-department-2017-4

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-dept-debating-charges-against-wikileaks-members-in-revelations-of-diplomatic-cia-materials/2017/04/20/32b15336-2548-11e7-a1b3-faff0034e2de_story.html?utm_term=.e91d521a30bf

And how poetic would it be that they are actually trying to use the Espionage Act to prosecute Assange... the same Act that Assange basically proved Hillary was violating with her homebrew server.....

[jllundqu]

Evidence?

When Pompeo and Sessions want to go after him... is that not evidence? Pompeo is full court press against Assange and AG Sessions prosecutors are circling the wagons preparing charges.

[dannno]

http://www.businessinsider.com/wikileaks-criminal-charges-justice-department-2017-4
"according to (http://www.businessinsider.com/wikileaks-criminal-charges-justice-department-2017-4) The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-dept-debating-charges-against-wikileaks-members-in-revelations-of-diplomatic-cia-materials/2017/04/20/32b15336-2548-11e7-a1b3-faff0034e2de_story.html?utm_term=.6dce48e3691c) and CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/20/politics/julian-assange-wikileaks-us-charges/index.html)."




https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-dept-debating-charges-against-wikileaks-members-in-revelations-of-diplomatic-cia-materials/2017/04/20/32b15336-2548-11e7-a1b3-faff0034e2de_story.html?utm_term=.e91d521a30bf

And how poetic would it be that they are actually trying to use the Espionage Act to prosecute Assange... the same Act that Assange basically proved Hillary was violating with her homebrew server.....



Sorry dude, WaPo and CNN are fakenews.

I'll need more evidence than that.

[nikcers]

When Pompeo and Sessions want to go after him... is that not evidence? Pompeo is full court press against Assange and AG Sessions prosecutors are circling the wagons preparing charges.

what you mean words, those are just words remember. Words don't hurt people man. Plus Trump is only doing this because he has been compromised and is being forced to do it, he wouldn't be doing it if it was his choice obviously otherwise he would of never said he loves wikileaks

[Brian4Liberty]

Ron Paul discusses whistle-blowing...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGvgUl7geeM

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?509895-Doing-Time-Like-A-Spy-With-Guest-John-Kiriakou

[dannno]

When Pompeo and Sessions want to go after him... is that not evidence? Pompeo is full court press against Assange and AG Sessions prosecutors are circling the wagons preparing charges.

Lol, ya, and Sessions is going to raid my weed too, right??


Dispensary Raids Rise
.................







Under Obama Regime






Over the course of Obama’s first term as president, his administration spent nearly $300 million on marijuana enforcement in states where medical cannabis had already been legalized.
Between 1996 and 2013, the federal government conducted 528 dispensary raids on medical marijuana dispensaries.
During Obama’s first term as president, his administration oversaw 270 dispensary raids on medical marijuana dispensaries.
Between 2009 and 2013, President Obama’s administration spent $100 million more cracking down on medical marijuana dispensaries than George W. Bush’s did.


https://www.greenrushdaily.com/2016/02/24/dispensary-raids-rise-obama-regime/


How many legal and medicinal dispensaries have been raided by the Feds since Trump got into office?

[dannno]

what you mean words, those are just words remember. Words don't hurt people man. Plus Trump is only doing this because he has been compromised and is being forced to do it, he wouldn't be doing it if it was his choice obviously otherwise he would of never said he loves wikileaks

They aren't doing shit. These slimey creatures are trying to slide shit under his desk, it's not happening. McMaster wanted 350k ground troops in Syria. Not happening, sorry, I know how much you want the neocons to take over and turn our country to shit but it isn't going to happen on Trump's watch.

[Anti-Neocon]

They aren't doing $#@!. These slimey creatures are trying to slide $#@! under his desk, it's not happening. McMaster wanted 350k ground troops in Syria. Not happening, sorry, I know how much you want the neocons to take over and turn our country to $#@! but it isn't going to happen on Trump's watch.
What if you're wrong about this? Will you finally get off the Trump train? I guess the better analogy would be "will you finally get off the railroad tracks before the Trump Train runs you over?"

[Danke]

How can they go after him, he is not a US Citizen?

[dannno]

What if you're wrong about this? Will you finally get off the Trump train? I guess the better analogy would be "will you finally get off the railroad tracks before the Trump Train runs you over?"

Well so far I have been right about everything, so why would I be wrong about this? It's certainly possible, I suppose.

I'm not sure it really matters if I am on the Trump Train or not in the grand scheme of things... but...

So far he has done a great job on many, many issues, and he has followed his campaign promises with regards to our military. I wasn't completely happy with his campaign promises with regards to our military, but it was a million times better than Hillary's past actions and campaign promises with regards to our military.

Here is the first State of Trump Address without the fake news slant:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?509834-The-First-State-of-Trump-Address

[AngryCanadian]

I hope Wikileaks has plenty of dirt on Trump as they did on Hillary.

[dannno]

How can they go after him, he is not a US Citizen?

CNN doesn't ask "the hard questions" when it comes to their fake news.

[Antischism]

Leaks are only good when they help you. Once they've outlived their usefulness and you're in power, not so much.

[oyarde]

How can they go after him, he is not a US Citizen?

In the old days they would just disappear you and it mattered not . Probably more difficult now with round the clock media .

[Ender]

CNN doesn't ask "the hard questions" when it comes to their fake news.

So, I finally understand fake news.

Fake news is when the MSM says what you disagree with; when you agree with MSM, then it's REAL.

Amirite?

[dannno]

So, I finally understand fake news.

Fake news is when the MSM says what you disagree with; when you agree with MSM, then it's REAL.

Amirite?

No, it is fake when they have an agenda and are manipulating the truth or completely fabricating something to create a false narrative.

[Philmanoman]

Well so far I have been right about everything, so why would I be wrong about this? It's certainly possible, I suppose.

I'm not sure it really matters if I am on the Trump Train or not in the grand scheme of things... but...

So far he has done a great job on many, many issues, and he has followed his campaign promises with regards to our military. I wasn't completely happy with his campaign promises with regards to our military, but it was a million times better than Hillary's past actions and campaign promises with regards to our military.

Here is the first State of Trump Address without the fake news slant:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?509834-The-First-State-of-Trump-Address


Haaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaa
Haaahaaaaaahaa

You sir maybe the biggest idiot to ever grace these forums.You're shit don't stink always right mantra is comedy at its best.

Are you one if trumps sons or a relative or something? Lol

[Philmanoman]

And trump or the people he's hired have neve had an agenda or created a false narrative...because they're perfect in every way...like danno thinks of himself.

[dannno]

Haaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaa
Haaahaaaaaahaa

You sir maybe the biggest idiot to ever grace these forums.You're shit don't stink always right mantra is comedy at its best.

Are you one if trumps sons or a relative or something? Lol


I suggest you turn off your television for a little while and get some fresh air.

[Philmanoman]

Don't watch TV dummo
But I bet you do.

[dannno]

And trump or the people he's hired have neve had an agenda or created a false narrative...because they're perfect in every way...like danno thinks of himself.

I didn't say I was perfect I just said I have been right about Trump so far. First of all he won, which I predicted. He has done about 65% good things, 20% meh things, and 15% not so good things. That's compared to Hillary doing 100% horrible things.

[Philmanoman]

You've been right on everything
Lmao...

[dannno]

Don't watch TV dummo
But I bet you do.

I don't have cable, so no I don't, but you are getting your MSM from somewhere.

[Philmanoman]

Sorry danno just havin fun with forums and giving you shit.
But it just cracks me up when people think they're right about everything based on opinions and circumstantial evidence.

[Anti-Neocon]

Well so far I have been right about everything
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg

[wizardwatson]

No, it is fake when they have an agenda and are manipulating the truth or completely fabricating something to create a false narrative.

Trump is the Godfather of fake news methinks.

Trump took the, "accuse your opponent of being a liar first in order to discredit the counter-claim" to the extreme.

Trump out-Obama-ed the right worse than Obama hope&changed the left.

[dannno]

Trump is the Godfather of fake news methinks.

Trump took the, "accuse your opponent of being a liar first in order to discredit the counter-claim" to the extreme.

Trump out-Obama-ed the right worse than Obama hope&changed the left.

If you think CNN is real news, you are going to be in for a big surprise one day.

[wizardwatson]

If you think CNN is real news, you are going to be in for a big surprise one day.

Who really gives two turds about who is lying to us more or less. There's plenty of information to know we shouldn't trust things without verification.

My only point is why isn't this standard being applied to Trump support? Where's the verification there? All the verification for Trumps legitimacy came from "Oh, look how much the media hates him! He must be our guy!"

And who was the main proponent of this meme? Trump himself.

It was a sham. He's a douchebag. Move on.

Or don't. All most online people do anyway is do "activism" like sports fans do fantasy football.

So whatev's....

But this condescension from Trump supporters was old a long time ago, and it's even older now that he's shown his true stripes. I would respect anger from a Trump supporter at Trump at this point, but covering for him by going further into conspiratorial abstraction is just not wanting to face facts.

Facts are he was a gamble. Everyone accepted that. An unknown. Now he's known and he sucks. End of story. Let's move on.

[nikcers]

Evidence?
Ron Paul said it on CNN- Ron Paul is not fake news. Calling Ron Paul fake news should be bannable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p9dOU7dgaM

[wizardwatson]

Ron Paul said it on CNN- Ron Paul is not fake news. Calling Ron Paul fake news should be bannable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p9dOU7dgaM

But the media hates Trump! Yeah, it hates Ron Paul too, but we need a real man who exudes confidence and machismo! :rolleyes:

[nikcers]

812317637631950848

[CPUd]

This is all just a plot to get rid of Mike Pompeo and Paul Ryan

[dannno]

Ron Paul said it on CNN- Ron Paul is not fake news. Calling Ron Paul fake news should be bannable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p9dOU7dgaM

I held the same opinion as Ron Paul on Super Tuesday, but both us have shifted our stances a bit - Ron Paul at least admitted his rhetoric on foreign policy was very much superior to Hillary, but I probably have higher hopes that our foreign policy will actually turn out that way than he does.

[dannno]

Who really gives two turds about who is lying to us more or less. There's plenty of information to know we shouldn't trust things without verification.

My only point is why isn't this standard being applied to Trump support? Where's the verification there? All the verification for Trumps legitimacy came from "Oh, look how much the media hates him! He must be our guy!"

And who was the main proponent of this meme? Trump himself.

It was a sham. He's a douchebag. Move on.

Or don't. All most online people do anyway is do "activism" like sports fans do fantasy football.

So whatev's....

But this condescension from Trump supporters was old a long time ago, and it's even older now that he's shown his true stripes. I would respect anger from a Trump supporter at Trump at this point, but covering for him by going further into conspiratorial abstraction is just not wanting to face facts.

Facts are he was a gamble. Everyone accepted that. An unknown. Now he's known and he sucks. End of story. Let's move on.

Clearly you missed the State of Trump Address, and watched fake news instead.

Why do you think we aren't gearing up to put 350k troops in Syria like McMaster wanted?

[CPUd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEqZybzlgDY

[wizardwatson]

Clearly you missed the State of Trump Address, and watched fake news instead.

Why do you think we aren't gearing up to put 350k troops in Syria like McMaster wanted?

Gotcha.

Trump does little evil to keep us out of the big evil. And the evidence of the truth of all this is how much the MSM talks bad about him.

And if I disagree with your worldview I must be a naive idiot.

Great strategy.

[dannno]

Gotcha.

Trump does little evil to keep us out of the big evil. And the evidence of the truth of all this is how much the MSM talks bad about him.

And if I disagree with your worldview I must be a naive idiot.

Great strategy.

Clearly you missed the State of Trump address. He isn't just doing less evil on all fronts, he has actually done quite a few very good things so far.. and he has kept us out of a lot of VERY bad things that Hillary or any of the other GOP candidates besides Rand would have gotten us into by now, like a neocon boondoggle war.

It is a good strategy to have Trump over Hillary right now. Longrun, we need liberty not nationalism, but right now a little nationalism isn't the worst thing with the globalists in power.

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

this news is huge,

as a few folks here have mentioned, the DDS attack on them right after the election speaks volumes

[CPUd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OyS4HKzg8g

[nikcers]

Clearly you missed the State of Trump address. He isn't just doing less evil on all fronts, he has actually done quite a few very good things so far.. and he has kept us out of a lot of VERY bad things that Hillary or any of the other GOP candidates besides Rand would have gotten us into by now, like a neocon boondoggle war.

It is a good strategy to have Trump over Hillary right now. Longrun, we need liberty not nationalism, but right now a little nationalism isn't the worst thing with the globalists in power.Clearly you missed the State of Trump Address, and watched fake news instead.

Why do you think we aren't gearing up to put 350k troops in Syria like McMaster wanted?

Clearly Dannno you are fake news. if Rand Paul was president I wouldn't even know who McMaster is. We wouldn't have politicians on the presidential cabinet that threaten sovereign nations with war every fucking day. Rand Paul would not stand for that shit for a second and would fire them for doing this. These are war drums dannno and if you don't see them you don't see the troops on North Korea's border, they have Russian and Chinese on their border now guarding them from our crazy cabinet of neocons Trump gave us.

[Matt Collins]

Since when did a foreigner on foreign land become subject to US law? :confused:


http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/20/politics/julian-assange-wikileaks-us-charges/

[nikcers]

Since when did a foreigner on foreign land become subject to US law? :confused:
Wednesday "WikiLeaks will show illegal actions by the CIA"; Friday "US prepares charges to arrest Assange" (https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/855218701766868994)

[Origanalist]

Clearly Dannno you are fake news. if Rand Paul was president I wouldn't even know who McMaster is. We wouldn't have politicians on the presidential cabinet that threaten sovereign nations with war every fucking day. Rand Paul would not stand for that shit for a second and would fire them for doing this. These are war drums dannno and if you don't see them you don't see the troops on North Korea's border, they have Russian and Chinese on their border now guarding them from our crazy cabinet of neocons Trump gave us.

It doesn't matter, until he drops a nuke nothing will.

[Anti-Neocon]

Clearly Dannno you are fake news. if Rand Paul was president I wouldn't even know who McMaster is. We wouldn't have politicians on the presidential cabinet that threaten sovereign nations with war every $#@!ing day. Rand Paul would not stand for that $#@! for a second and would fire them for doing this. These are war drums dannno and if you don't see them you don't see the troops on North Korea's border, they have Russian and Chinese on their border now guarding them from our crazy cabinet of neocons Trump gave us.
Yeah, who had the ultimate decision in choosing McMaster and Pompeo?

Hint: it's not Obama, and it's not the joooooooz

[Origanalist]

Yeah, who had the ultimate decision in choosing McMaster and Pompeo?

Hint: it's not Obama, and it's not the joooooooz

https://redice.tv/a/i/n/15/343162e5mez4.jpg

[nikcers]

It doesn't matter, until he drops a nuke nothing will.
I'm starting to think that's what they want. It's okay though Trump's secretary of defense wouldn't okay it right? The two man rule will keep us safe?

[Origanalist]

I'm starting to think that's what they want. It's okay though Trump's secretary of defense wouldn't okay it right? The two man rule will keep us safe?

Mr. President...MR. PRESIDENT!!!!

[dannno]

It's never good to get worked up over anything "according to CNN and WaPo"

Good sign it is fake news.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?509945-Trump-admin-prepares-charges-to-seek-arrest-of-WikiLeaks-Julian-Assange

[Origanalist]

It's never good to get worked up over anything "according to CNN and WaPo"

Good sign it is fake news.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?509945-Trump-admin-prepares-charges-to-seek-arrest-of-WikiLeaks-Julian-Assange

You're just being a dumbshit. The government is signaling what they're going to do, and they will do it at the speed of government.

[dannno]

You're just being a dumbshit. The government is signaling what they're going to do, and they will do it at the speed of government.

Oh, ok, let me know when we have 350k boots on the ground in Syria then :rolleyes:

[dannno]

Mike Cernovich has dirt on a lot of these neocons in Trump's cabinet that are pushing this stuff, he is just waiting for the right time to release it.

Time may be forthcoming sooner than later, let's see what wikileaks has on them.

[Origanalist]

Oh, ok, let me know when we have 350k boots on the ground in Syria then :rolleyes:

Who gives a flying fuck how many boots we have in Syria? Dipshit. The dem playbook is airpower and your boy Trump is going to go that route.

[Origanalist]

Mike Cernovich has dirt on a lot of these neocons in Trump's cabinet that are pushing this stuff, he is just waiting for the right time to release it.

Time may be forthcoming sooner than later, let's see what wikileaks has on them.

Grab that fucking pipe and smoke it for all it's worth.

[TheTexan]

Who gives a flying fuck how many boots we have in Syria? Dipshit. The dem playbook is airpower and your boy Trump is going to go that route.

Fake post ^

Trump would never do such a thing.

But if he did I'm sure it would be the right move.

[nikcers]

Who gives a flying $#@! how many boots we have in Syria? Dip$#@!. The dem playbook is airpower and your boy Trump is going to go that route. It's not like he asked you to do something impossible. We won't know how many boots are on the ground until shit hits the fan. They stopped disclosing visitors to the Whitehouse, troop deployments in Iraq, Syria. I mean are we still pretending that we don't fund both sides of the opposition in Syria? Are we saying that Trump put a stop to this, and put the "genie " back in the bottle?

[The Rebel Poet]

It doesn't matter, until he drops a nuke nothing will.
What makes you think that would/will matter to him either? "Fake news msm Obama Zippy. It's a strategic move dude, Trump has ended war for all eternity. Did you even watch the video I posted that explains it all away? At least it's not ground troops, and besides Hillary would have dropped two nukes! This is far preferable to globalism."

[nikcers]

YThe government is signaling what they're going to do
I like to hope they are signaling but that doesn't make sense at all. What I tend to think is the government knows that war is unpopular. I think they are trying to provoke people into attacking us or de-sensitize people so they become for the war.

[RJ Liberty]

What makes you think that would/will matter to him either? "Fake news msm Obama Zippy. It's a strategic move dude, Trump has ended war for all eternity. Did you even watch the video I posted that explains it all away? At least it's not ground troops, and besides Hillary would have dropped two nukes! This is far preferable to globalism."

Exactly. This is a textbook example of cognitive dissonance. Here's another example: several Trumpkins here had Snowden/Hero avatars during Trump's campaign, even while Trump was calling for Snowden's execution.

[surf]

Back to the original topic:
this just proves there isn't an rch difference between democrats and republicans: they all suck, and any hope that the current dipshit in charge would somehow not be terrible is all out the window.

fuck trump. he can not be defended from a liberty perspective on anything. i'm a bit surprised to see it here.

at least it's still 4/20 on my side of the country.

cheers all, and I'm hoping this dump just confirms what freedom minded people have known for years.
(anyone know what happened to the big BofA dump that was supposed to happen about 4 years ago?)

[Marenco]

Mike Cernovich has dirt on a lot of these neocons in Trump's cabinet that are pushing this stuff, he is just waiting for the right time to release it.

Time may be forthcoming sooner than later, let's see what wikileaks has on them.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f9/de/e1/f9dee18646a7874a0702406e20a26140.jpg

[parocks]

I'm with Dannno here.

What Dannno seems to be saying is "hey, you're saying that CNN isn't full of sht about this Assange thing, well, CNN said there would be 350K troops on the ground. Where is it?"

And what I'm seeing is a whole bunch of people completely missing Dannno's point, which is CNN is full of sht.

Don't you realize that CNN is full of sht? Did you not experience the Ron Paul campaigns?

It just seems that somehow, liberal democrats have taken hold of ronpaulforums and are spewing BS.

The last President to get shot was Reagan, and I was a little kid at the time, many would agree that Reagan wasn't the same after getting shot. The shooter, John Hinckley Jr, was a Bush family friend, or his dad was a big Bush contributor and his brother, Scott, had to cancel dinner plans with Neil Bush. Bush, before VP, was head of the CIA. This is relevant stuff when questioning whether Trump really is going to be able to get what he wants if the CIA doesn't want to do that.

It seems that if you don't do what the CIA wants (or the deep state wants), the CIA or someone on Team Bush might just shoot you. And it seems like all the spying isn't being done to stop terrorism, but to gather dirt against politicians to blackmail them to do what the spies want. Back in 2008, 2012, we all knew this and didn't like it. Since then, there has been more and more proof that what we all knew but didn't have too much evidence is definitely taking place.

Dannno lives within the context of the reality timeline for a Ron Paul supporter. So many here seem to live on this alternate universe timeline where there is no CIA, no deep state, none of that stuff that Ron Paul talked so much about in the campaigns of 2008 and 2012. He was against all that then and he's still against all that now, and so many here seem to be on the side of CNN and the CIA.

[openfire]

I'm with Dannno here.

What Dannno seems to be saying is "hey, you're saying that CNN isn't full of sht about this Assange thing, well, CNN said there would be 350K troops on the ground. Where is it?"

And what I'm seeing is a whole bunch of people completely missing Dannno's point, which is CNN is full of sht.

Don't you realize that CNN is full of sht? Did you not experience the Ron Paul campaigns?

It just seems that somehow, liberal democrats have taken hold of ronpaulforums and are spewing BS.

The last President to get shot was Reagan, and I was a little kid at the time, many would agree that Reagan wasn't the same after getting shot. The shooter, John Hinckley Jr, was a Bush family friend, or his dad was a big Bush contributor and his brother, Scott, had to cancel dinner plans with Neil Bush. Bush, before VP, was head of the CIA. This is relevant stuff when questioning whether Trump really is going to be able to get what he wants if the CIA doesn't want to do that.

It seems that if you don't do what the CIA wants (or the deep state wants), the CIA or someone on Team Bush might just shoot you. And it seems like all the spying isn't being done to stop terrorism, but to gather dirt against politicians to blackmail them to do what the spies want. Back in 2008, 2012, we all knew this and didn't like it. Since then, there has been more and more proof that what we all knew but didn't have too much evidence is definitely taking place.

Dannno lives within the context of the reality timeline for a Ron Paul supporter. So many here seem to live on this alternate universe timeline where there is no CIA, no deep state, none of that stuff that Ron Paul talked so much about in the campaigns of 2008 and 2012. He was against all that then and he's still against all that now, and so many here seem to be on the side of CNN and the CIA.

^ This. All of this.

[Weston White]

How can they go after him, he is not a US Citizen?

Something that I had been wondering, he has never even visited America, right? So the courts lack in personam over Assange. The federalese ought to be focusing on whomever is providing Wikileaks with this information; as Assange only hints that the leaks are from sources, not his groups Intranet cracking and black/grey hat skills.

[Mordan]

I'm with Dannno here.

What Dannno seems to be saying is "hey, you're saying that CNN isn't full of sht about this Assange thing, well, CNN said there would be 350K troops on the ground. Where is it?"

And what I'm seeing is a whole bunch of people completely missing Dannno's point, which is CNN is full of sht.

Don't you realize that CNN is full of sht? Did you not experience the Ron Paul campaigns?

It just seems that somehow, liberal democrats have taken hold of ronpaulforums and are spewing BS.

The last President to get shot was Reagan, and I was a little kid at the time, many would agree that Reagan wasn't the same after getting shot. The shooter, John Hinckley Jr, was a Bush family friend, or his dad was a big Bush contributor and his brother, Scott, had to cancel dinner plans with Neil Bush. Bush, before VP, was head of the CIA. This is relevant stuff when questioning whether Trump really is going to be able to get what he wants if the CIA doesn't want to do that.

It seems that if you don't do what the CIA wants (or the deep state wants), the CIA or someone on Team Bush might just shoot you. And it seems like all the spying isn't being done to stop terrorism, but to gather dirt against politicians to blackmail them to do what the spies want. Back in 2008, 2012, we all knew this and didn't like it. Since then, there has been more and more proof that what we all knew but didn't have too much evidence is definitely taking place.

Dannno lives within the context of the reality timeline for a Ron Paul supporter. So many here seem to live on this alternate universe timeline where there is no CIA, no deep state, none of that stuff that Ron Paul talked so much about in the campaigns of 2008 and 2012. He was against all that then and he's still against all that now, and so many here seem to be on the side of CNN and the CIA.

Mord approves this. All this ^

[jmdrake]

CNN fake news?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUtT0b0EnSw

You trust Trump more than your own "lying eyes".

[jmdrake]

Oh, ok, let me know when we have 350k boots on the ground in Syria then :rolleyes:

I did a search on your 350K number. Guess who put it out? Alex Jones back in 2016.

https://www.infowars.com/world-war-3-could-start-this-month-350000-soldiers-in-saudi-arabia-stand-ready-to-invade-syria/

:rolleyes:

[acptulsa]

I'm with Dannno here.

What Dannno seems to be saying is "hey, you're saying that CNN isn't full of sht about this Assange thing, well, CNN said there would be 350K troops on the ground. Where is it?"

And what I'm seeing is a whole bunch of people completely missing Dannno's point, which is CNN is full of sht.

Don't you realize that CNN is full of sht? Did you not experience the Ron Paul campaigns?

It just seems that somehow, liberal democrats have taken hold of ronpaulforums and are spewing BS.

The last President to get shot was Reagan, and I was a little kid at the time, many would agree that Reagan wasn't the same after getting shot. The shooter, John Hinckley Jr, was a Bush family friend, or his dad was a big Bush contributor and his brother, Scott, had to cancel dinner plans with Neil Bush. Bush, before VP, was head of the CIA. This is relevant stuff when questioning whether Trump really is going to be able to get what he wants if the CIA doesn't want to do that.

It seems that if you don't do what the CIA wants (or the deep state wants), the CIA or someone on Team Bush might just shoot you. And it seems like all the spying isn't being done to stop terrorism, but to gather dirt against politicians to blackmail them to do what the spies want. Back in 2008, 2012, we all knew this and didn't like it. Since then, there has been more and more proof that what we all knew but didn't have too much evidence is definitely taking place.

Dannno lives within the context of the reality timeline for a Ron Paul supporter. So many here seem to live on this alternate universe timeline where there is no CIA, no deep state, none of that stuff that Ron Paul talked so much about in the campaigns of 2008 and 2012. He was against all that then and he's still against all that now, and so many here seem to be on the side of CNN and the CIA.

That's right. Here's everyone saying, Teh Trump is doing everything the Deep State says, and when they say Jump he only asks, how high? Why do they sound like Democrats, because of course Democrats complain about the Deep State all the time? Don't you know that CNN lies all the time, except when CNN said the Deep State gave a damn whether Teh Trump or Clinton won, like they weren't identical, because they had to have been telling the truth then even though they never tell the truth ever?

Of course when the media allegedly lied about Trump during the campaign, he always used Twit-er to tell us the truth, and all we've seen on his Twits lately is NATO is good, and Yellin is good, and China isn't a currency manipulator, and that's okay too. Because the CIA will kill him. Never mind that the excuse we all gave for leaving Rand Paul in the dust and chasing after Teh Trump (besides the fact that CNN told us and told us and told us they didn't like Trump, and didn't mention Rand Paul even once) was Teh Trump had the balls to talk like a third grade bully, and Rand Paul told us what was really going on in a rational manner. Never mind that we all saw third grade bullies who were all talk and, when push came to shove, ran like rabbits. Never mind that Rand Paul proved he has balls by standing up in the Senate and pushing back against the Deep State, time and time again, just like his father. Teh Trump talked tough, like he had balls so of course we had to take a chance and elect him, and see if he had balls, because we knew Rand Paul had balls but he didn't talk like a third grade bully, and CNN which always lies except when it says it doesn't like Teh Trump told us it didn't like Teh Trump, and never talked about Rand Paul enough for us to know if they liked him or not.

So naturally we went with the third grade bully who pretended he had balls, and ignored the guy who had already proven he has balls, and now it's completely understandable that the third grade playground bully has no balls after all, because he doesn't want to get shot and start the Revolution, because then he'd be dead and wouldn't get to go down in history as the guy who started WWIII for the Deep State. And anyone who doesn't understand that is a dirty Democrat, and doing the bidding of the Deep State, because the Deep State is capable of putting up two puppets and pretending they're different so they don't have to care which one we pick, but they aren't capable of having CNN lie to us and pretend they don't like one of them when they really do.

But it isn't us who are getting played, it's you guys who predicted Teh Trump would fold like a road map who got played, even though Teh Trump has, indeed, folded like a road map. Just because you predicted exactly what would happen doesn't mean you weren't getting played. You were obviously getting played because if you weren't, then we were getting played, and that's not an acceptable answer. So we all need to be patient, so in four years when WWIII is over, and the dollar is worthless and all our jobs are gone, and we're all huddled in caves hiding from the radiation, and Teh Trump sends a Twit from his NORAD bunker that he's commuting Assange's sentence from Death to Life, you'll have to stop saying you told us so and we can say we told you so!

Because that's the way George Washington and Thomas Jefferson did it! They mistook bravado for balls all the time, and chose bravado over balls, and sat around reading nothing but the British press because they thought they could tell the British lies from the British truth, and accused all the people who read Thomas Paine and knew what was going on of being brainwashed, and sat around for months trying to convince themselves they did right choosing Benedict Arnold's bravado over Nathan Hale's balls, and that's how we got free, right?

[Ender]

That's right. Here's everyone saying, Teh Trump is doing everything the Deep State says, and when they say Jump he only asks, how high? Why do they sound like Democrats, because of course Democrats complain about the Deep State all the time? Don't you know that CNN lies all the time, except when CNN said the Deep State gave a damn whether Teh Trump or Clinton won, like they weren't identical, because they had to have been telling the truth then even though they never tell the truth ever?

Of course when the media allegedly lied about Trump during the campaign, he always used Twit-er to tell us the truth, and all we've seen on his Twits lately is NATO is good, and Yellin is good, and China isn't a currency manipulator, and that's okay too. Because the CIA will kill him. Never mind that the excuse we all gave for leaving Rand Paul in the dust and chasing after Teh Trump (besides the fact that CNN told us and told us and told us they didn't like Trump, and didn't mention Rand Paul even once) was Teh Trump had the balls to talk like a third grade bully, and Rand Paul told us what was really going on in a rational manner. Never mind that we all saw third grade bullies who were all talk and, when push came to shove, ran like rabbits. Never mind that Rand Paul proved he has balls by standing up in the Senate and pushing back against the Deep State, time and time again, just like his father. Teh Trump talked tough, like he had balls so of course we had to take a chance and elect him, and see if he had balls, because we knew Rand Paul had balls but he didn't talk like a third grade bully, and CNN which always lies except when it says it doesn't like Teh Trump told us it didn't like Teh Trump, and never talked about Rand Paul enough for us to know if they liked him or not.

So naturally we went with the third grade bully who pretended he had balls, and ignored the guy who had already proven he has balls, and now it's completely understandable that the third grade playground bully has no balls after all, because he doesn't want to get shot and start the Revolution, because then he'd be dead and wouldn't get to go down in history as the guy who started WWIII for the Deep State. And anyone who doesn't understand that is a dirty Democrat, and doing the bidding of the Deep State, because the Deep State is capable of putting up two puppets and pretending they're different so they don't have to care which one we pick, but they aren't capable of having CNN lie to us and pretend they don't like one of them when they really do.

But it isn't us who are getting played, it's you guys who predicted Teh Trump would fold like a road map who got played, even though Teh Trump has, indeed, folded like a road map. Just because you predicted exactly what would happen doesn't mean you weren't getting played. You were obviously getting played because if you weren't, then we were getting played, and that's not an acceptable answer. So we all need to be patient, so in four years when WWIII is over, and the dollar is worthless and all our jobs are gone, and we're all huddled in caves hiding from the radiation, and Teh Trump sends a Twit from his NORAD bunker that he's commuting Assange's sentence from Death to Life, you'll have to stop saying you told us so and we can say we told you so!

Because that's the way George Washington and Thomas Jefferson did it!

LOL! My head is spinning! ;)

[Origanalist]

I'm with Dannno here.

What Dannno seems to be saying is "hey, you're saying that CNN isn't full of sht about this Assange thing, well, CNN said there would be 350K troops on the ground. Where is it?"

And what I'm seeing is a whole bunch of people completely missing Dannno's point, which is CNN is full of sht.

Don't you realize that CNN is full of sht? Did you not experience the Ron Paul campaigns?

It just seems that somehow, liberal democrats have taken hold of ronpaulforums and are spewing BS.

The last President to get shot was Reagan, and I was a little kid at the time, many would agree that Reagan wasn't the same after getting shot. The shooter, John Hinckley Jr, was a Bush family friend, or his dad was a big Bush contributor and his brother, Scott, had to cancel dinner plans with Neil Bush. Bush, before VP, was head of the CIA. This is relevant stuff when questioning whether Trump really is going to be able to get what he wants if the CIA doesn't want to do that.

It seems that if you don't do what the CIA wants (or the deep state wants), the CIA or someone on Team Bush might just shoot you. And it seems like all the spying isn't being done to stop terrorism, but to gather dirt against politicians to blackmail them to do what the spies want. Back in 2008, 2012, we all knew this and didn't like it. Since then, there has been more and more proof that what we all knew but didn't have too much evidence is definitely taking place.

Dannno lives within the context of the reality timeline for a Ron Paul supporter. So many here seem to live on this alternate universe timeline where there is no CIA, no deep state, none of that stuff that Ron Paul talked so much about in the campaigns of 2008 and 2012. He was against all that then and he's still against all that now, and so many here seem to be on the side of CNN and the CIA.

Wait a minute! I thought Trump was the 'man with the balls to stand up to the deep state'. CNN may be/is full of shit, that doesn't change the fact that Sessions said Assange's arrest was a priority and Pompeo described WikiLeaks as a "A non-state hostile intelligence service".

These are Trump appointees, his boys talking. This is all on Trump and nobody else. Liberal my ass.

[afwjam]

That's right. Here's everyone saying, Teh Trump is doing everything the Deep State says, and when they say Jump he only asks, how high? Why do they sound like Democrats, because of course Democrats complain about the Deep State all the time? Don't you know that CNN lies all the time, except when CNN said the Deep State gave a damn whether Teh Trump or Clinton won, like they weren't identical, because they had to have been telling the truth then even though they never tell the truth ever?

Of course when the media allegedly lied about Trump during the campaign, he always used Twit-er to tell us the truth, and all we've seen on his Twits lately is NATO is good, and Yellin is good, and China isn't a currency manipulator, and that's okay too. Because the CIA will kill him. Never mind that the excuse we all gave for leaving Rand Paul in the dust and chasing after Teh Trump (besides the fact that CNN told us and told us and told us they didn't like Trump, and didn't mention Rand Paul even once) was Teh Trump had the balls to talk like a third grade bully, and Rand Paul told us what was really going on in a rational manner. Never mind that we all saw third grade bullies who were all talk and, when push came to shove, ran like rabbits. Never mind that Rand Paul proved he has balls by standing up in the Senate and pushing back against the Deep State, time and time again, just like his father. Teh Trump talked tough, like he had balls so of course we had to take a chance and elect him, and see if he had balls, because we knew Rand Paul had balls but he didn't talk like a third grade bully, and CNN which always lies except when it says it doesn't like Teh Trump told us it didn't like Teh Trump, and never talked about Rand Paul enough for us to know if they liked him or not.

So naturally we went with the third grade bully who pretended he had balls, and ignored the guy who had already proven he has balls, and now it's completely understandable that the third grade playground bully has no balls after all, because he doesn't want to get shot and start the Revolution, because then he'd be dead and wouldn't get to go down in history as the guy who started WWIII for the Deep State. And anyone who doesn't understand that is a dirty Democrat, and doing the bidding of the Deep State, because the Deep State is capable of putting up two puppets and pretending they're different so they don't have to care which one we pick, but they aren't capable of having CNN lie to us and pretend they don't like one of them when they really do.

But it isn't us who are getting played, it's you guys who predicted Teh Trump would fold like a road map who got played, even though Teh Trump has, indeed, folded like a road map. Just because you predicted exactly what would happen doesn't mean you weren't getting played. You were obviously getting played because if you weren't, then we were getting played, and that's not an acceptable answer. So we all need to be patient, so in four years when WWIII is over, and the dollar is worthless and all our jobs are gone, and we're all huddled in caves hiding from the radiation, and Teh Trump sends a Twit from his NORAD bunker that he's commuting Assange's sentence from Death to Life, you'll have to stop saying you told us so and we can say we told you so!

Because that's the way George Washington and Thomas Jefferson did it! They mistook bravado for balls all the time, and chose bravado over balls, and sat around reading nothing but the British press because they thought they could tell the British lies from the British truth, and accused all the people who read Thomas Paine and knew what was going on of being brainwashed, and sat around for months trying to convince themselves they did right choosing Benedict Arnold's bravado over Nathan Hale's balls, and that's how we got free, right?
Right

[AZJoe]

http://www.sott.net/image/s5/107225/full/assange_portret_def22.jpg

[jllundqu]

Assange > Trump/Pompeo/Sessions

[jmdrake]

Wait a minute! I thought Trump was the 'man with the balls to stand up to the deep state'. CNN may be/is full of $#@!, that doesn't change the fact that Sessions said Assange's arrest was a priority and Pompeo described WikiLeaks as a "A non-state hostile intelligence service".

These are Trump appointees, his boys talking. This is all on Trump and nobody else. Liberal my ass.

Right. Supposedly the "selling point" on Trump is that he's a good manager. So....which is it?

[Pizzo]

I am not a Trump supporter, which should be obvious, but I am also aware that since the inauguration there have been several reports of "the administration" considering and planning/preparing to" do things that have not yet come to fruition. Fact is neither the media nor Trump are trustworthy. I guess we will see.

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

I'm with Dannno here.

What Dannno seems to be saying is "hey, you're saying that CNN isn't full of sht about this Assange thing, well, CNN said there would be 350K troops on the ground. Where is it?"

And what I'm seeing is a whole bunch of people completely missing Dannno's point, which is CNN is full of sht.

Don't you realize that CNN is full of sht? Did you not experience the Ron Paul campaigns?

It just seems that somehow, liberal democrats have taken hold of ronpaulforums and are spewing BS.

The last President to get shot was Reagan, and I was a little kid at the time, many would agree that Reagan wasn't the same after getting shot. The shooter, John Hinckley Jr, was a Bush family friend, or his dad was a big Bush contributor and his brother, Scott, had to cancel dinner plans with Neil Bush. Bush, before VP, was head of the CIA. This is relevant stuff when questioning whether Trump really is going to be able to get what he wants if the CIA doesn't want to do that.

It seems that if you don't do what the CIA wants (or the deep state wants), the CIA or someone on Team Bush might just shoot you. And it seems like all the spying isn't being done to stop terrorism, but to gather dirt against politicians to blackmail them to do what the spies want. Back in 2008, 2012, we all knew this and didn't like it. Since then, there has been more and more proof that what we all knew but didn't have too much evidence is definitely taking place.

Dannno lives within the context of the reality timeline for a Ron Paul supporter. So many here seem to live on this alternate universe timeline where there is no CIA, no deep state, none of that stuff that Ron Paul talked so much about in the campaigns of 2008 and 2012. He was against all that then and he's still against all that now, and so many here seem to be on the side of CNN and the CIA.

yeah that

[liveandletlive]

this dude is Hillary without the cankles

[TheCount]

Oh, ok, let me know when we have 350k boots on the ground in Syria then :rolleyes:If we did, you'd say that at least it's not 500K.

[PAF]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byxeOG_pZ1o

[donnay]

So which is it--I am so confused. CNN tells everyone the Trump Administration is going to arrest Assange and yet just in March the Media was writing how in-love Trump is with Wikileaks.

March Headlines:

WikiLeaks Has Joined the Trump Administration
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/08/wikileaks-has-joined-the-trump-administration/

Trump ally Farage visits embassy where Julian Assange lives
http://thehill.com/policy/international/323127-brexit-leader-visits-ecuadorian-embassy-where-wikileaks-founder-is

[CPUd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnL7c13w4_A

[r3volution 3.0]

That's right. Here's everyone saying, Teh Trump is doing everything the Deep State says, and when they say Jump he only asks, how high? Why do they sound like Democrats, because of course Democrats complain about the Deep State all the time? Don't you know that CNN lies all the time, except when CNN said the Deep State gave a damn whether Teh Trump or Clinton won, like they weren't identical, because they had to have been telling the truth then even though they never tell the truth ever?

Of course when the media allegedly lied about Trump during the campaign, he always used Twit-er to tell us the truth, and all we've seen on his Twits lately is NATO is good, and Yellin is good, and China isn't a currency manipulator, and that's okay too. Because the CIA will kill him. Never mind that the excuse we all gave for leaving Rand Paul in the dust and chasing after Teh Trump (besides the fact that CNN told us and told us and told us they didn't like Trump, and didn't mention Rand Paul even once) was Teh Trump had the balls to talk like a third grade bully, and Rand Paul told us what was really going on in a rational manner. Never mind that we all saw third grade bullies who were all talk and, when push came to shove, ran like rabbits. Never mind that Rand Paul proved he has balls by standing up in the Senate and pushing back against the Deep State, time and time again, just like his father. Teh Trump talked tough, like he had balls so of course we had to take a chance and elect him, and see if he had balls, because we knew Rand Paul had balls but he didn't talk like a third grade bully, and CNN which always lies except when it says it doesn't like Teh Trump told us it didn't like Teh Trump, and never talked about Rand Paul enough for us to know if they liked him or not.

So naturally we went with the third grade bully who pretended he had balls, and ignored the guy who had already proven he has balls, and now it's completely understandable that the third grade playground bully has no balls after all, because he doesn't want to get shot and start the Revolution, because then he'd be dead and wouldn't get to go down in history as the guy who started WWIII for the Deep State. And anyone who doesn't understand that is a dirty Democrat, and doing the bidding of the Deep State, because the Deep State is capable of putting up two puppets and pretending they're different so they don't have to care which one we pick, but they aren't capable of having CNN lie to us and pretend they don't like one of them when they really do.

But it isn't us who are getting played, it's you guys who predicted Teh Trump would fold like a road map who got played, even though Teh Trump has, indeed, folded like a road map. Just because you predicted exactly what would happen doesn't mean you weren't getting played. You were obviously getting played because if you weren't, then we were getting played, and that's not an acceptable answer. So we all need to be patient, so in four years when WWIII is over, and the dollar is worthless and all our jobs are gone, and we're all huddled in caves hiding from the radiation, and Teh Trump sends a Twit from his NORAD bunker that he's commuting Assange's sentence from Death to Life, you'll have to stop saying you told us so and we can say we told you so!

Because that's the way George Washington and Thomas Jefferson did it! They mistook bravado for balls all the time, and chose bravado over balls, and sat around reading nothing but the British press because they thought they could tell the British lies from the British truth, and accused all the people who read Thomas Paine and knew what was going on of being brainwashed, and sat around for months trying to convince themselves they did right choosing Benedict Arnold's bravado over Nathan Hale's balls, and that's how we got free, right?

I regret that I have but one +rep to give to this post.

[r3volution 3.0]

So which is it--I am so confused. CNN tells everyone the Trump Administration is going to arrest Assange and yet just in March the Media was writing how in-love Trump is with Wikileaks.

He liked the leaks when they damaged his political opponent.

Now that he's in power, not so much.

[TheCount]

So which is it--I am so confused. CNN tells everyone the Trump Administration is going to arrest Assange and yet just in March the Media was writing how in-love Trump is with Wikileaks.There's no reason to be confused - like many other things, Trump supported Wikileaks when it was politically convenient to him.

[donnay]

He liked the leaks when they damaged his political opponent.

Now that he's in power, not so much.

LOL! Parroting the CNN narrative, I see. They still think Trump is a Russian operative too.

[undergroundrr]

There's no reason to be confused - like many other things, Trump supported Wikileaks when it was politically convenient to him.

But that answer isn't complicated enough.

Honestly, there was no reason for CNN, Infowars or the National Enquirer to even write an article about this. The headline that everybody has known the whole time is "Guy Who Wanted To Hang Snowden Also Wants To Hang Assange."

Duh.

Duh.

Duh.

[CPUd]

But that answer isn't complicated enough.

Honestly, there was no reason for CNN, Infowars or the National Enquirer to even write an article about this. The headline that everybody has known the whole time is "Guy Who Wanted To Hang Snowden Also Wants To Hang Assange."

Duh.

Duh.

Duh.

The man himself can admit on video he only cared about them because they were damaging his opponent, but now they need to be shut down. Show his supporters the video, they will say, "he didn't say that!"

[Anti-Neocon]

LOL! Parroting the CNN narrative, I see. They still think Trump is a Russian operative too.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic

[Anti-Neocon]

The man himself can admit on video he only cared about them because they were damaging his opponent, but now they need to be shut down. Show his supporters the video, they will say, "he didn't say that!"
It's a video, not even words!
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/294744043035033600/297130272242270228/unknown.png

[dannno]

If we did, you'd say that at least it's not 500K.

No, that is not what I would say.

[dannno]

It's a video, not even words!
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/294744043035033600/297130272242270228/unknown.png

Are you confused at what was meant by that statement?

It was not actions, nor was it words that he said, but merely a tweet.

In this case, we have CNN and WaPo sources claiming that the Trump administration is going to do something.

And based on CNN's sources, everybody freaks out, instead of waiting to see if it is even real or not, and then waiting for his actions.. because Trump operates differently from a lot of people. He uses strategies that keep people second guessing so that he can ultimately get what he wants.

If you watched the State of Trump Address, you would know the ACTIONS he has taken have actually been very beneficial, and I'm not talking about foreign policy I'm talking about all the other things he has done that don't seem to get much discussion around here.. for example, two regulations still have to be repealed if you want to add a new one. All kinds of actions that are moving toward shrinking federal agencies. Neil Gorsuch. Good on 99 out of 100 issues, and the one issue everybody on the forum totally flips over when they don't realize there are probably 8 other justices who oppose him on that issue. Many others.

The point remains here. We have things being said, and we might not know the reason why they are being said, but we have no idea if they are actually going to be implemented. In 6 months, I'm pretty sure neither Assange nor Snowden will be in US custody..

Yes, it is disappointing to hear these statements even being uttered, although it may be manufactured by the msm.. but if they are real I just don't see these actions being carried forward or going anywhere without Trump being on board, and I haven't seen any evidence he would be on board with this.

[CPUd]

https://i.imgur.com/uHFt3wU.gif

[pao]

LOL! Parroting the CNN narrative, I see. They still think Trump is a Russian operative too.

Linking the comment of r3volution 3.0 to CNN does not make it false. How would you explain Trump's flip in regard to Wikileaks? The comment reflects logic, your comment does not.

[donnay]

Linking the comment of r3volution 3.0 to CNN does not make it false. How would you explain Trump's flip in regard to Wikileaks? The comment reflects logic, your comment does not.

All other MSM is running off the same CNN narrative. There is no direct link, that I am aware of that Trump said anything of the sort.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

There's no reason to be confused - like many other things, Trump supported Wikileaks when it was politically convenient to him.


Sounds like most politicians. Or you when you try to present yourself in certain ways on this forum.

[Anti Federalist]

I imagine some action on Snowden is not far behind...

[silverhandorder]

I have to say Good Emperor's luster really came down since the whole Syria business. Still don't regret voting for him. Who knows maybe regret it in the future.

[afwjam]

Why is he going after assange? I thought he was going to go after Hillary and put her in jail? One helps the American people understand the evils of their government, the other helps commit the evil! It's like it's backwards or something, the exact opposite of what he said in his campaign. What a pussy deep state Cuck this man turned out to be, almost as pathetic as the guys throwing their wives at the cuck so they can be cucked by the cuck and get off on being completely wrong on everything while everything they hold dear gets fucked.

I miss when they pretended to support Liberty and the Paul's.

[kpitcher]

And trump or the people he's hired have neve had an agenda or created a false narrative...because they're perfect in every way...like danno thinks of himself.

Trump used to call in to talk shows to talk about Trump, claiming to be some other person. He does know about Fake News.

[AZJoe]

Assange exposes crimes. Rather then go after the criminals, or stop the crimes, Washington vows to go after the whistle-blower exposing the crimes.

Assange is a foreign citizen in a another nation taking actions outside the USA. Washington has no more jurisdiction over Assange as Saudi Arabia has to prosecute, beat and imprison Melania for driving a vehicle, shopping without a male escort or wearing too revealing clothes while in NYC.

The unbelievable level of dictatorial hubris espouse by Washington exceeds the limits of ludicrousness.

[AZJoe]

Le Pen vows to offer citizenship and asylum to Assange and Snowden. (http://yournewswire.com/le-pen-assange-snowden/)

http://cdns.yournewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/marin-le-pen-set-free-assange-678x381.jpg

[undergroundrr]

Why is he going after assange? I thought he was going to go after Hillary and put her in jail?

dannno will be along shortly to assure you that Hillary's conviction is still very much on-track.

[Ender]

Le Pen vows to offer citizenship and asylum to Assange and Snowden. (http://yournewswire.com/le-pen-assange-snowden/)

http://cdns.yournewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/marin-le-pen-set-free-assange-678x381.jpg

YES!

[afwjam]

Funny how the "alpha" male gets shown up by a women with a real set of balls, not Trumps who either does not have his, or maybe they never dropped.

[twomp]

Le Pen vows to offer citizenship and asylum to Assange and Snowden. (http://yournewswire.com/le-pen-assange-snowden/)

http://cdns.yournewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/marin-le-pen-set-free-assange-678x381.jpg

WTF!!! I thought she was anti immigration....

[silverhandorder]

Le Pen is awesome. Thought not libertarian.

[Influenza]

lol dannno is literally obsessed with defending trump

[jmdrake]

All other MSM is running off the same CNN narrative. There is no direct link, that I am aware of that Trump said anything of the sort.

Trump during the campaign called Edward Snowden a traitor and said he should be executed. Why is that fact lost on you?

[Wooden Indian]

Trump during the campaign called Edward Snowden a traitor and said he should be executed. Why is that fact lost on you?

Those were just like words, man. Not even words. More like just a series of letters sounded out. Why do you defend fake news and the Deep State? Hillary would have been worse anyway.

[CPUd]

Trump during the campaign called Edward Snowden a traitor and said he should be executed. Why is that fact lost on you?

That was only because he was trying to save Snowden by making Putin hand him over and giving him a secret trial, once convicted and sentenced, President Donald would hopefully pardon him.

[sparebulb]

I imagine some action on Snowden is not far behind...

I agree.

"murikans would cheer the swatting of a foreign embassy in the name of law and order.

A sovereign embassy sounds an awfully lot like a sovereign citizen.

I assume the brits are just as dumbed down.


DUH!

Just notice you were talking about Snowden.

I think that for whatever reason, Assange's stay at the embassy is coming to a close.

[donnay]

Trump during the campaign called Edward Snowden a traitor and said he should be executed. Why is that fact lost on you?

Trump is wrong--plain and simple. I didn't need anyone to tell me that either. When I heard him say that, I did not agree then and I certainly do not agree if he still feels that way.

I am not a stooge who thinks Trump is the end all, be all. He isn't--he is just a man, and certainly not infallible. However, if Hillary were in for 100 hundred days, we would be a helluva lot worse off.

[acptulsa]

However, if Hillary were in for 100 hundred days, we would be a helluva lot worse off.

I keep hearing that. But I still don't know how. Without going off on a completely ridiculous guessing game, can anyone tell me...

http://memes.ucoz.com/_nw/25/87698993.jpg

[dannno]

https://i.imgur.com/uHFt3wU.gif

I'm not moving any goalposts, I've always said that it is important to judge on actions the administration takes, and especially not the words of the mainstream media.

[dannno]

I keep hearing that. But I still don't know how. Without going off on a completely ridiculous guessing game, can anyone tell me...

http://memes.ucoz.com/_nw/25/87698993.jpg

Do you think Hillary would have passed an executive order that in order to pass a regulation, 2 regulations must be repealed? Do you think she would be taking positive steps to shrink federal agencies? Do you NOT think we would be in a neocon boondoggle war with Assad by now? Do you think a constitutional Supreme Court Justice would have been nominated?

Do you think alternative media would still have a platform?

[parocks]

Why can't we just criticize Trump on the basis of things that Trump actually does?

Instead of attacking Trump on the basis of things that Trumps enemies say he will do?

Trumps enemies are Ron Paul's enemies, and the enemies of Trump and Ron Paul are not trustworthy. But, somehow, the same people who were attacking Ron Paul and Rand Paul are to be believed. And this is the Ron Paul Forum, this site should be for people who like Ron Paul, but, you know, freedom, I guess that people who don't like Ron Paul can go ahead and take the side of the suckoligopoly who hates Ron Paul.

[acptulsa]

I haven't seen any regulations repealed, that address to Congress you keep calling the 'State of the Trump' (does that refer to 'New York', 'bald and orange', or 'insane'?) he promises to enlarge the DHS, that judge has yet to prove himself Constitutional, I don't know what you think she could have done to alternative media like Wikileaks that he isn't doing, and we are in a Syrian boondoggle.

So, I'm still waiting to hear.

http://memes.ucoz.com/_nw/25/87698993.jpg

[jmdrake]

Trump is wrong--plain and simple. I didn't need anyone to tell me that either. When I heard him say that, I did not agree then and I certainly do not agree if he still feels that way.

I am not a stooge who thinks Trump is the end all, be all. He isn't--he is just a man, and certainly not infallible. However, if Hillary were in for 100 hundred days, we would be a helluva lot worse off.

Okay. Please come back to reality. The election is over and there is no chance that Hillary will somehow become president if we don't defend Trump against everything that the media says about him even when it's true. In the case of this thread it's a report by CNN that the Trump administration is seeking charges against Julian Assange. That is congruent with Trump's statements during the campaign about going after people like Edward Snowden. It's not "fake news" just because the source is CNN and, to us in the liberty movement, it's a bad thing. To bobus Americanus, Trump going after our heroes is how you "make America great again!" So CNN could have been putting this out to boost Trump's poll numbers. Or they could have been simply reporting the truth. A broken clock is right twice a day.

[jmdrake]

Why can't we just criticize Trump on the basis of things that Trump actually does?

Like bombing Syria, increased groping by the TSA, sending three carrier groups to North Korea etc? Sure.



Instead of attacking Trump on the basis of things that Trumps enemies say he will do?


Are his "enemies" members of his own cabinet? :rolleyes:


Trumps enemies are Ron Paul's enemies, and the enemies of Trump and Ron Paul are not trustworthy.

You haven't been listing to Ron Paul lately. He's been very anti Trump. When people here say the same things Ron Paul says people like you say we are parroting Ron Paul's enemies. Surreal.

[parocks]

Wait a minute! I thought Trump was the 'man with the balls to stand up to the deep state'. CNN may be/is full of $#@!, that doesn't change the fact that Sessions said Assange's arrest was a priority and Pompeo described WikiLeaks as a "A non-state hostile intelligence service".

These are Trump appointees, his boys talking. This is all on Trump and nobody else. Liberal my ass.

Are you quoting me? Did I say Trump had those balls? It seems that you're changing the subject.

I voted for Trump because the other choice was Hillary - and as long as it was Hillary vs anybody else (except Bush), I'd vote for anybody else. And it was Trump.

Hillary is a horrible human being and if you don't know this, you're stupid and if you do know this and don't care, you're evil.

In case you were wondering, both Ron and Rand Paul have run for President, as GOP. 3 Presidential races in a row. There isn't some debate here about whether the boilerplate Democrat positions are good ones.

Don't we all know that there's a real huge shortage of politicians who are against the deep state. Whether Trump is or is not a good manager isn't the point as much as the fact that there just aren't that many human beings on the planet who don't like the deep state and the CIA and want to do battle with those who murder and get away with it.

Also consider that conventional wisdom on both the D and the R sides hasn't been anti war in decades. So, the farm teams on both sides are filled with war mongers and you can't just find a whole bunch of war mongers. This isn't the NFL, you can't just say "what about using running QBs, Tebow is available, he wins even though he doesn't throw well, or any number of other choices" There aren't humans who are anti war and want to do battle with the CIA. And if you can get them, you have the spies and media attacking them with the goal of removing them. That's the reality of the situation.

[undergroundrr]

Don't we all know that there's a real huge shortage of politicians who are against the deep state. Whether Trump is or is not a good manager isn't the point as much as the fact that there just aren't that many human beings on the planet who don't like the deep state and the CIA and want to do battle with those who murder and get away with it.

If you still believe trump is anti-Deep State, you've slept through the last three months. And I envy you for it.

[jmdrake]

Are you quoting me? Did I say Trump had those balls? It seems that you're changing the subject.

It seems to me that the "subject" of this thread is the fact that the Trump administration is going after Julian Assange. And no, it's not "Trump's enemies" saying that. It's Trump's CIA director saying that. The "subject" isn't how much you dislike Hillary or CNN or whatever. The "subject" of this thread is one more bad thing that is happening post Trump. Confronting what the Trump administration is doing wrong will not magically make Hillary become president ex post facto.

[UWDude]

So anybody got the actual quote where Sessions said he is going after Assange?

When asked this question directly, his answer was "no comment".

[nikcers]

So anybody got the actual quote where Sessions said he is going after Assange?

When asked this question directly, his answer was "no comment".
The united states and the western world as a whole is condemning him as a rogue intelligence agency. I said this before and I will say it again. They are going to hang whistleblowers and make examples out them. The idea is to make people afraid of whistleblowing. If you don't think they will do it then you don't know our country very well. They can march in there and take him any time they want, just like they claim they did with Osama Bin Laden.

I still can't believe they are pushing the annex of Golan Heights so blatant and open. I know they are pushing this creation of a new union of countries in the middle east with Israel as some unifier- but normally they hide behind lies. I think that this is the new mind control, they will put so much information out there even some factual and have people filter out the information that unsettles them.

[UWDude]

So anybody got the actual quote where Sessions said he is going after Assange?

When asked this question directly, his answer was "no comment".


The united states and the western world as a whole is condemning him as a rogue intelligence agency. I said this before and I will say it again. They are going to hang whistleblowers and make examples out them. The idea is to make people afraid of whistleblowing. If you don't think they will do it then you don't know our country very well. They can march in there and take him any time they want, just like they claim they did with Osama Bin Laden.

I still can't believe they are pushing the annex of Golan Heights so blatant and open. I know they are pushing this creation of a new union of countries in the middle east with Israel as some unifier- but normally they hide behind lies. I think that this is the new mind control, they will put so much information out there even some factual and have people filter out the information that unsettles them.

With all due respect, that isn't a quote, so why are you quoting me?

[UWDude]

If it is confidential, why can Pompeo say they are going after Assange, but Sessions can't say they are going after Assange?

And Wikileaks did say the Trump administration is going after Assange, but they did so by quoting a CNN story.
Wikileaks never quotes CNN unless to mock them or correct them.

[nikcers]

With all due respect, that isn't a quote, so why are you quoting me? Uh well I sort of just clicked that button on accident but this whole quote or it didn't happen is not a good argument at all. You can't just say pictures or it didn't happen. Can you name one person on Trumps cabinet who has said that whistleblowers are important because they allow us to make sure the government is accountable for their actions and does not infringe upon the constitution. WHO WATCHES THE WATCHERS UWDUDE?

[nikcers]

They aren't just going to get Assange either, they are going after every person who leaked intel to him.

[UWDude]

They aren't just going to get Assange either, they are going after every person who leaked intel to him.

explain this then:


And Wikileaks did say the Trump administration is going after Assange, but they did so by quoting a CNN story.
Wikileaks never quotes CNN unless to mock them or correct them.


this whole quote or it didn't happen is not a good argument at all

It certainly is in this day and age, especially when people are quoting CNN and MSNBC who right now are saying the riots in venzuela are because of Trump donations. That's what you call FAKE NEWS.

I want primary source. Until then, you can all eat shit.

[nikcers]

explain this then:
You're right, he's not the real target, they are targeting the people who leaked the data to him. He is just some guy who gets data leaked to him, he is not some super genius who uploaded google to his head.

[Pizzo]

https://apnews.com/d4ea9fbaf2ad439bb657ecdf07e31ebe

[Anti Federalist]

Le Pen vows to offer citizenship and asylum to Assange and Snowden. (http://yournewswire.com/le-pen-assange-snowden/)

http://cdns.yournewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/marin-le-pen-set-free-assange-678x381.jpg

Outstanding.

[nikcers]

Outstanding.
Isn't Le Pen another far right Trojan horse Mossad candidate? The propaganda I have seen has pointed her at the Russians. I don't know much about their election but I have a feeling its going to be as chaotic as ours was.

[undergroundrr]

https://apnews.com/d4ea9fbaf2ad439bb657ecdf07e31ebe

For people who don't like to click:


President Donald Trump says that if the Justice Department wants to charge WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, "it's OK with me."

Trump says he is not involved in that decision-making process, but would support Attorney General Jeff Sessions if he charged Assange with a crime.

The administration has stepped up its rhetoric against WikiLeaks in recent days, despite the fact that Trump welcomed the group's release of a top Hillary Clinton aide's emails during the election.

Sessions told reporters Thursday that Assange's arrest is a priority as the Justice Department steps up efforts to prosecute people who leak classified information to the media. CIA Director Mike Pompeo last week denounced WikiLeaks as a "hostile intelligence service" and a threat to U.S. national security.

[Origanalist]

Are you quoting me? Did I say Trump had those balls? It seems that you're changing the subject.

I voted for Trump because the other choice was Hillary - and as long as it was Hillary vs anybody else (except Bush), I'd vote for anybody else. And it was Trump.

Hillary is a horrible human being and if you don't know this, you're stupid and if you do know this and don't care, you're evil.

In case you were wondering, both Ron and Rand Paul have run for President, as GOP. 3 Presidential races in a row. There isn't some debate here about whether the boilerplate Democrat positions are good ones.

Don't we all know that there's a real huge shortage of politicians who are against the deep state. Whether Trump is or is not a good manager isn't the point as much as the fact that there just aren't that many human beings on the planet who don't like the deep state and the CIA and want to do battle with those who murder and get away with it.

Also consider that conventional wisdom on both the D and the R sides hasn't been anti war in decades. So, the farm teams on both sides are filled with war mongers and you can't just find a whole bunch of war mongers. This isn't the NFL, you can't just say "what about using running QBs, Tebow is available, he wins even though he doesn't throw well, or any number of other choices" There aren't humans who are anti war and want to do battle with the CIA. And if you can get them, you have the spies and media attacking them with the goal of removing them. That's the reality of the situation.

I never said a damn thing about whether Trump is a good manager or not. The fact is these guys are Trump appointees, so one would assume they reflect his positions, at least generally. Right? If not, why would he appoint them?

Unless he's just lost in space, which is a fairly good bet in itself.

At any rate it's obvious he's no champion against "the deep state" as many here are proposing.

[Origanalist]

explain this then:





It certainly is in this day and age, especially when people are quoting CNN and MSNBC who right now are saying the riots in venzuela are because of Trump donations. That's what you call FAKE NEWS.

I want primary source. Until then, you can all eat shit.

Eat your own shit you fucking dickhead.

[Anti Federalist]

I want primary source. Until then, you can all eat shit.

The president also appeared to side with his advisers' increasingly harder line on Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks. Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Assange's arrest was a priority for the Justice Department as it steps up efforts to prosecute people who leak classified information to the media.

The president said that he was not involved in the decision-making process regarding charging Assange but that the move would be "OK with me."

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/national-politics/article145921059.html#storylink=cpy

[Anti Federalist]

Isn't Le Pen another far right Trojan horse Mossad candidate? The propaganda I have seen has pointed her at the Russians. I don't know much about their election but I have a feeling its going to be as chaotic as ours was.

I don't give a fuck if she's the man in the moon, just so long as Snowden and Assange have safe asylum somewhere.

[nikcers]

I don't give a $#@! if she's the man in the moon, just so long as Snowden and Assange have safe asylum somewhere. You don't give a fuck if she is a Trojan horse candidate like Trump who is all for WikiLeaks before he gets elected and the afterwards is okay with taking his head?

[Origanalist]

Why can't we just criticize Trump on the basis of things that Trump actually does?

Instead of attacking Trump on the basis of things that Trumps enemies say he will do?

Trumps enemies are Ron Paul's enemies, and the enemies of Trump and Ron Paul are not trustworthy. But, somehow, the same people who were attacking Ron Paul and Rand Paul are to be believed. And this is the Ron Paul Forum, this site should be for people who like Ron Paul, but, you know, freedom, I guess that people who don't like Ron Paul can go ahead and take the side of the suckoligopoly who hates Ron Paul.

Sorry, but I will judge him on what he does not whether the people who didn't like RP like him or not. That is completely irrelevant to me.

[Origanalist]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C99mSExXkAIPj2w.jpg

[UWDude]

The president also appeared to side with his advisers' increasingly harder line on Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks. Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Assange's arrest was a priority for the Justice Department as it steps up efforts to prosecute people who leak classified information to the media.

quote from sessions? I didn't see it in the article. Plus why would he say that, then say "no comment"?

I see it more and more. Just like the Syria "strike". This is to help LePen win. It is crucial she wins.

Women are starting to poll heavily towards LePen. This is to contrast herself with Trump, so woman can accept voting for her.

Add to that the "rapefugee" narrative, and there is going to be a "shocker" in France.

But what I think now is we can cheer for Trump, but the only reasons he is fighting the deep state, (and he is) is so he can install his own.

[CPUd]

Don't we all know that there's a real huge shortage of politicians who are against the deep state. Whether Trump is or is not a good manager isn't the point as much as the fact that there just aren't that many human beings on the planet who don't like the deep state and the CIA and want to do battle with those who murder and get away with it.


President Donald would say you are buying into fakenews narrative, just like he said to the CIA on his very first public stop :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkKxO2WWIwE

[Ender]

quote from sessions? I didn't see it in the article. Plus why would he say that, then say "no comment"?

I see it more and more. Just like the Syria "strike". This is to help LePen win. It is crucial she wins.

Women are starting to poll heavily towards LePen. This is to contrast herself with Trump, so woman can accept voting for her.

Add to that the "rapefugee" narrative, and there is going to be a "shocker" in France.

But what I think now is we can cheer for Trump, but the only reasons he is fighting the deep state, (and he is) is so he can install his own.

Watch Sessions in the video in the OP.

[Superfluous Man]

Why can't we just criticize Trump on the basis of things that Trump actually does?

Instead of attacking Trump on the basis of things that Trumps enemies say he will do?

Trumps enemies are Ron Paul's enemies, and the enemies of Trump and Ron Paul are not trustworthy. But, somehow, the same people who were attacking Ron Paul and Rand Paul are to be believed. And this is the Ron Paul Forum, this site should be for people who like Ron Paul, but, you know, freedom, I guess that people who don't like Ron Paul can go ahead and take the side of the suckoligopoly who hates Ron Paul.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

But if somebody is criticizing Trump, then at least for whatever time they spend doing that, they're our allies.

[Anti Federalist]

You don't give a fuck if she is a Trojan horse candidate like Trump who is all for WikiLeaks before he gets elected and the afterwards is okay with taking his head?

Like Trump how?

Le Pen says on the campaign trail that she will grant Snowden asylum.

Trump said on the campaign trail he would execute him.

[Anti Federalist]

quote from sessions? I didn't see it in the article.

Asked whether it was a priority for the justice department to arrest Assange “once and for all”, Sessions told a press conference in El Paso, Texas, on Thursday: “We are going to step up our effort and already are stepping up our efforts on all leaks. This is a matter that’s gone beyond anything I’m aware of. We have professionals that have been in the security business of the United States for many years that are shocked by the number of leaks and some of them are quite serious.”

He added: “So yes, it is a priority. We’ve already begun to step up our efforts and whenever a case can be made, we will seek to put some people in jail.”

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/apr/21/arresting-julian-assange-is-a-priority-says-us-attorney-general-jeff-sessions

[UWDude]

Asked whether it was a priority for the justice department to arrest Assange “once and for all”, Sessions told a press conference in El Paso, Texas, on Thursday: “We are going to step up our effort and already are stepping up our efforts on all leaks. This is a matter that’s gone beyond anything I’m aware of. We have professionals that have been in the security business of the United States for many years that are shocked by the number of leaks and some of them are quite serious.”

He added: “So yes, it is a priority. We’ve already begun to step up our efforts and whenever a case can be made, we will seek to put some people in jail.”

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/apr/21/arresting-julian-assange-is-a-priority-says-us-attorney-general-jeff-sessions

The guardian does not play the question, before it plays the answer. The Guardian now says "the whole picture" as it's tagline, bull.

Furthermore, the guardian says this later on:


Republican politicians expressed fury at the time, accusing Assange of treason, and Trump himself told an interviewer: “I think it’s disgraceful, I think there should be like death penalty or something.”

All that changed during the election when WikiLeaks published emails acquired via Russian-backed hackers from the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

I trust nothing they say. I don't even care anymore to waste my time and find the actual full press conference and watch it. Every time I do, all I find is the media is full of it and takes everything out of context. I notice Sessions emphasized the word "ALL" leakers. (P.S. Assange is neither a leaker or hacker).


I trust my gut on this one, this is a ruse to build support for LePen.

from the article:

Barry Pollack, Assange’s lawyer, denied any knowledge of imminent prosecution. “We’ve had no communication with the Department of Justice and they have not indicated to me that they have brought any charges against Mr Assange,” he told CNN. “They’ve been unwilling to have any discussion at all, despite our repeated requests, that they let us know what Mr Assange’s status is in any pending investigations. There’s no reason why WikiLeaks should be treated differently from any other publisher.”

So they are just going to assassinate Assange? I hardly think that is the Jeff Sessions way. The man is all about law and order.

[Mordan]

The guardian does not play the question, before it plays the answer. The Guardian now says "the whole picture" as it's tagline, bull.

Furthermore, the guardian says this later on:



I trust nothing they say. I don't even care anymore to waste my time and find the actual full press conference and watch it. Every time I do, all I find is the media is full of it and takes everything out of context. I notice Sessions emphasized the word "ALL" leakers. (P.S. Assange is neither a leaker or hacker).


I trust my gut on this one, this is a ruse to build support for LePen.

from the article:


So they are just going to assassinate Assange? I hardly think that is the Jeff Sessions way. The man is all about law and order.


The sad part is that the libertarian crazies here will create fake news narratives to support their own narrative that Trump supporters were conned.

Trump was OK with torture. I knew that and I disagree with him. If Trump tortures Hillary in jail, I will still disagree with him but that does not mean I have been conned. Same with everything else.

[dannno]

You don't give a fuck if she is a Trojan horse candidate like Trump who is all for WikiLeaks before he gets elected and the afterwards is okay with taking his head?

How is Trump a Trojan Horse candidate if he is deep state like you say? The deep state had all the candidates except Rand, they didn't need a Trojan Horse.. neither does France..all of their candidates are deep state except Le Penn.. If Trump is a Trojan Horse, then he is an anti-deep state Trojan Horse, which makes by far the most logical sense.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnFE-93GYmM

If the Trump admin is helping Le Penn get elected, then he is doing what he was planning all along, which is to save western civilization.

[AZJoe]

Isn't Le Pen another far right Trojan horse Mossad candidate? The propaganda I have seen has pointed her at the Russians. I don't know much about their election but I have a feeling its going to be as chaotic as ours was.


"has her pointed at the Russian." That indeed is kooky propaganda. Le Pen has been a voice of reason regarding Russia. She vows to end sanctions, and to recognize the will of the Crimean people.
Yes, the EU oligarchical establishment does try to label her as "far right", as they label anyone who won't toe the line for European Union centralized planning and its destruction of local sovereignty.

[AZJoe]

http://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/35/72/651820700-During_times_of_universal_deceit.jpg

[acptulsa]

How is Trump a Trojan Horse candidate if he is deep state like you say? The deep state had all the candidates except Rand, they didn't need a Trojan Horse..

See Rand run. Run, Rand, Run!

Rand is not controlled by the Establishment. The Establishment is not happy Rand is running. See the Establishment frown.

The Establishment throws lots of candidates in the race. See all the candidates. Candidates and candidates and candidates!

No one cares about all the Establishment candidates. The voters don't want an Establishment candidate. There are more than twelve Establishment candidates. That's more than a dozen! But they aren't stealing enough votes from Rand.

One day, the Establishment is watching NBC. They see an orange clown. They listen to him yell and blather. Blather, blather, blather!

They ask each other, is this guy Establishment like us? Of course he is! He's rich! He bribes politicians all the time, then brags about it! He invited his friends the Clintons to his latest wedding!

But can we fool people into thinking he's an outsider, they ask? Maybe if he and our media yell at each other a lot. Chloris Leachman and Valerie Harper yelled at each other a lot on the Mary Tyler Moore show, and they were good friends. Tony Randall and Jack Klugman yelled at each other a lot on The Odd Couple, and they were good friends. And lots of people believed they yelled at each other even when the cameras weren't filming them, though it wasn't true.

See fans of the shows come up to Mr. Klugman and Ms. Leachman on the street. See them say, you should be nicer! See the Establishment watching this. See them say, these dumbasses aren't any smarter than primary voters. In fact, they are primary voters!

So they threw the orange clown in the race. He bickered with the reporters. Bicker, Bicker, Bicker. And they showed him bickering with the reporters in the morning. They showed him bickering with the reporters in the afternoon. They showed him bickering with the reporters all night, every night. Bicker, bicker, bicker.

And then the pollsters took a poll. Hey, said the pollsters, the dumbasses are buying it! And no one ever pointed a camera at Rand again. All the cameras were pointed at the orange clown. Bicker, bicker, bicker. Blather, blather, blather.

And the people who didn't want an Establishment candidate voted for the orange man. And the Establishment lived happily ever after.

Do we understand now? Or do I need to get it down to the first grade reading level?

But, of course, that's not the question. The question is, are you going to come up with a fresh line of shit? Or are you going to run to a different thread, and continue pretending that this incredibly simple and obvious thing is too adult a concept for you?

[dannno]

See Rand run. Run, Rand, Run!

Rand is not controlled by the Establishment. The Establishment is not happy Rand is running. See the Establishment frown.

The Establishment throws lots of candidates in the race. See all the candidates. Candidates and candidates and candidates!

No one cares about all the Establishment candidates. The voters don't want an Establishment candidate. There are more than twelve Establishment candidates. That's more than a dozen! But they aren't stealing enough votes from Rand.

One day, the Establishment is watching NBC. They see an orange clown. They listen to him yell and blather. Blather, blather, blather!

They ask each other, is this guy Establishment like us? Of course he is! He's rich! He bribes politicians all the time, then brags about it! He invited his friends the Clintons to his latest wedding!

But can we fool people into thinking he's an outsider, they ask? Maybe if he and our media yell at each other a lot. Chloris Leachman and Valerie Harper yelled at each other a lot on the Mary Tyler Moore show, and they were good friends. Tony Randall and Jack Klugman yelled at each other a lot on The Odd Couple, and they were good friends. And lots of people believed they yelled at each other even when the cameras weren't filming them, though it wasn't true.

See fans of the shows come up to Mr. Klugman and Ms. Leachman on the street. See them say, you should be nicer! See the Establishment watching this. See them say, these dumbasses aren't any smarter than primary voters. In fact, they are primary voters!

So they threw the orange clown in the race. He bickered with the reporters. Bicker, Bicker, Bicker. And they showed him bickering with the reporters in the morning. They showed him bickering with the reporters in the afternoon. They showed him bickering with the reporters all night, every night. Bicker, bicker, bicker.

And then the pollsters took a poll. Hey, said the pollsters, the dumbasses are buying it! And no one ever pointed a camera at Rand again. All the cameras were pointed at the orange clown. Bicker, bicker, bicker. Blather, blather, blather.

And the people who didn't want an Establishment candidate voted for the orange man. And the Establishment lived happily ever after.

Do we understand now? Or do I need to get it down to the first grade reading level?

But, of course, that's not the question. The question is, are you going to come up with a fresh line of shit? Or are you going to run to a different thread, and continue pretending that this incredibly simple and obvious thing is too adult a concept for you?

Ya I believed that when Rand was running, I could have written that post myself at the time. After Rand dropped out, over time that whole theory sort of eroded. I mean, there are parts that could be true still, like pushing Trump to beat Rand, but the narrative that Trump is controlled kinda disappears. After Rand dropped out, Trump could have became much more establishment oriented. But he didn't, he ended up discrediting the mainstream media, the establishment's tool of control over the people. Why would they do that after Rand already dropped out? They already have two puppets running against each other, there was no reason why they needed to obliterate their primary tool of control over the people.

[AZJoe]

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[nikcers]

"We beat back Ron Paul and Rand Paul,"http://i.imgur.com/9Vtv1qL.jpg

745248749773938688

oh yeah like they did to Ron Paul huh

[Mordan]

"We beat back Ron Paul and Rand Paul,"http://i.imgur.com/9Vtv1qL.jpg

745248749773938688

oh yeah like they did to Ron Paul huh

You don't have any credibility nickers. Danno is 100% right about what happened. Trump was and is a lose canon. Trump gave money to whoever would help him. Clinton, Romney, anyone. And Trump did. And Trump won the GOP nomination. And Trump won the Presidency. His trip to the white house redpilled him but he won't sacrifice his family well being for your libertarian wet dreams.

[jmdrake]

Ya I believed that when Rand was running, I could have written that post myself at the time. After Rand dropped out, over time that whole theory sort of eroded. I mean, there are parts that could be true still, like pushing Trump to beat Rand, but the narrative that Trump is controlled kinda disappears. After Rand dropped out, Trump could have became much more establishment oriented. But he didn't, he ended up discrediting the mainstream media, the establishment's tool of control over the people. Why would they do that after Rand already dropped out? They already have two puppets running against each other, there was no reason why they needed to obliterate their primary tool of control over the people.

You are the best proof that Trump is a great example of controlled opposition. It doesn't matter what kind of anti liberty thing Trump does, you spin an excuse for it. Trump bombs Syria? "Great! It's not a neocon boondoggle." There's absolutely no evidence that if Hillary had become president she would have invaded Syria and created a "neocon boondoggle." She would have most likely bombed Syria....just like Trump. The TSA increases groping after Trump is elected? No real opposition from you. Jeff Sessions threatens Assange and legal marijuana? As long as Trump isn't personally kicking in your door on a drug raid or hasn't personally signed Assange's arrest/death warrant, you're convinced that everything is okay. The "deep state" couldn't have picked a better puppet than George Soros funded, Jeffery pedophile Epstein praising Donald J. Trump. And in order to keep you on team Trump, the "deep state" has to keep "rouging up" Trump on occasion. It's like in the undercover cop movies where the cop has gone into the station to give a report and then says "Okay...you know you have to give me a black eye before I leave so I can maintain my street cred right?"

[nikcers]

You don't have any credibility nickers. Danno is 100% right about what happened. Trump was and is a lose canon. Trump gave money to whoever would help him. Clinton, Romney, anyone. And Trump did. And Trump won the GOP nomination. And Trump won the Presidency. His trip to the white house redpilled him but he won't sacrifice his family well being for your libertarian wet dreams.
Mordan answer me this one question then. If Ron Paul legitimately lost then why did Reince Preibus change the rules for the convention?

[Anti-Neocon]

Mordan answer me this one question then. If Ron Paul legitimately lost then why did Reince Preibus change the rules for the convention?
To give the illusion of unity. If Ron Paul won he likely would've been able to work on the rules himself with all his delegates.

[jmdrake]

You don't have any credibility nickers. Danno is 100% right about what happened. Trump was and is a lose canon. Trump gave money to whoever would help him. Clinton, Romney, anyone. And Trump did. And Trump won the GOP nomination. And Trump won the Presidency. His trip to the white house redpilled him but he won't sacrifice his family well being for your libertarian wet dreams.

You don't get it. Trump was "redpilled" long before the he ran for president. He chose the juicy steak.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gL0xQHI0wo

[timosman]

You don't have any credibility nickers. Danno is 100% right about what happened. Trump was and is a lose canon. Trump gave money to whoever would help him. Clinton, Romney, anyone. And Trump did. And Trump won the GOP nomination. And Trump won the Presidency. His trip to the white house redpilled him but he won't sacrifice his family well being for your libertarian wet dreams.

You don't like my dream?:eek:

[timosman]

You don't get it. Trump was "redpilled" long before the he ran for president. He chose the juicy steak.

The juicy steak is always the right choice.:cool:

[AZJoe]

Installing malware and spreading viruses worldwide, hacking computer systems, and then intentionally leaving markers to falsely blame other countries, spying on citizens through their Samsung televisions and I-Phones (or is the cIa-Phones), interfering in the political process, using their power to pressure elected officials to direct policy and subvert the will of the electorate, interfering in media - all this taking place on a daily basis and together totaling millions of felony crimes.

Yet they have no concern over these crimes. Not lifting a finger to prosecute or stop. Instead they must bring their power to target the truth tellers exposing the crimes and evil.

http://www.suddenlyeverythingsucks.com/images/constitution.jpg

[Occam's Banana]

[... Trump] is doing what he was planning all along, which is to save western civilization.

At first I was like ...

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... but then I was like ...

https://media.giphy.com/media/cCn7tPIqtVwtO/giphy.gif

[Weston White]

The juicy steak is always the right choice.:cool:

Well, not always...


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https://www.lobstergram.com/media/wysiwyg/lobster-tails.jpg

[AZJoe]

If Pompeo is so maniacally disturbed about the leaking of deep state crimes, abuse and violations of the Constitution,
the best way to stop such leaks is to end the crimes, abuse and violations of the Constitution. Problem solved.

[AZJoe]

Liberty Blitzkrieg (https://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2017/04/21/the-american-empire-under-donald-trump-has-become-increasingly-desperate-dangerous-insecure/) breaks down Pompeo's manic rant against Wikileaks as Psychological Projection:

that the U.S. Justice Department is trying to figure out a way to prosecute the world’s most courageous and effective news publisher, Wikileaks’ Julian Assange, … further evidence of the incredible insecurity and desperation of the American establishment. ...

CIA director Mike Pompeo decided to respond with an unhinged nervous breakdown during a recent speech to the Saudi funded (https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/852883466224107520) Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS). … Here are a few excerpts ... courtesy of the CIA (https://www.cia.gov/news-information/speeches-testimony/2017-speeches-testimony/pompeo-delivers-remarks-at-csis.html):


“WikiLeaks walks like [I]a hostile intelligence service and talks like a hostile intelligence service. … it overwhelmingly focuses on the United States, while seeking support from anti-democratic countries and organizations.”

This is what’s called “projection.”



“It is time to call out WikiLeaks for what it really is – a non-state hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors like Russia. … We know this because Assange and his ilk make common cause with dictators today. Yes, they try unsuccessfully to cloak themselves and their actions in the language of liberty and privacy; in reality, however, they champion nothing but their own celebrity. Their currency is clickbait; their moral compass, nonexistent…. Their mission: personal self-aggrandizement through the destruction of Western values. … They do not care about the causes and people they claim to represent.”

More projection.



“No, Julian Assange and his kind are not the slightest bit interested in improving civil liberties or enhancing personal freedom.”

[More Projection]


[Assange] has created the most powerful and impactful media organization of the 21st century, which is precisely why [NSA/CIA/Deep State] hate his guts. ...



“So we face a crucial question: What can we do about this? What can and should CIA, the United States, and our allies do about the unprecedented challenge posed by these hostile non-state intelligence agencies? … we can no longer allow Assange and his colleagues the latitude to use free speech values against us. … It ends now.”

The first thing to appreciate from the above excerpts is how uncollected and unhinged Mike Pompeo appears to be, and let’s also not forget that Donald Trump appointed Pompeo of his own volition. … Much of his commentary centers around simple name calling, for instance referring to Assange as a “narcissist,” a “false wizard” and a “demon” in the span of just a few short paragraphs. His seemingly unstable emotional state certainly doesn’t give me a lot faith in the CIA, not that I had much to begin with….


Pompeo’s entire rant is filled with projection. … Psychological Projection … For instance, he accuses Assange of “seeking support from anti-democratic countries and organizations.” I mean, that’s basically the CIA’s mission statement, and its entire history is filled to the brim with “seeking support from anti-democratic countries and organizations.”

Moving along, he states “Assange and his ilk make common cause with dictators today,” and also says about Wikileaks, “they do not care about the causes and people they claim to represent.” Both of these statements summarize U.S. foreign policy to a tee. After all, one of America’s closest foreign allies, Saudi Arabia, is not only one of the world’s most repressive, undemocratic states, it is also one of the leading propagators of radical Islamic terrorism ...

Finally, Pompeo justifies his attack on the First Amendment by pushing a false “us versus them mentality.” … This implies that Assange and Wikileaks represent “the enemy,” while the CIA is somehow some shining white night. Unfortunately for Pompeo, this isn’t how many Americans see the situation.

Prosecutors have struggled with whether the First Amendment precluded the prosecution of Assange, but now believe they have found a way to move forward. … The DOJ apparently spent 7 years trying to figure out how to void the First Amendment, yet it couldn’t jail a single bank executive during that entire time. What does this tell you about where the government’s priorities lie? … It is an imperial agenda to protect and secure the wealth and power of the few against the well being and liberty of the many. The U.S. empire doesn’t work for the people, it works for a small handful of elitists and insiders who have completely gamed a corrupt system for their advantage. The American people are starting to figure this out, partly due to the journalism of Wikileaks, which is why the deep state hates Assange so passionately.

The American empire is becoming increasingly insecure and desperate, which also makes it increasingly dangerous. Empires don’t reform, and as we can see from Trump’s first 100 days …

[Firestarter]

Real whistleblowers get ignored by the state media, and when they get some attention, it’s mostly to describe them as moronic conspiracy theorists, with too much imagination.
Whistleblowing is one of the greatest hazards to your health…

Fake whistleblowers get lots of attention from the press and sometimes even become the topic of a glossy movie.

I hope I’m not the only one to see this as a desperate ploy to give Julian Assange the credibility he doesn’t deserve.
I label this news – fake.



“No, Julian Assange and his kind are not the slightest bit interested in improving civil liberties or enhancing personal freedom.”This is actually true.



“So we face a crucial question: What can we do about this? What can and should CIA, the United States, and our allies do about the unprecedented challenge posed by these hostile non-state intelligence agencies? … we can no longer allow Assange and his colleagues the latitude to use free speech values against us. … It ends now.”
I now what "we" can do, accuse him of being a terrible traitor, so all of the "conspiracy theorists" follow him like a flock of sheep.

[AZJoe]

I hope I’m not the only one to see this as a desperate ploy to give Julian Assange the credibility he doesn’t deserve.
I label this news – fake.

No. You probably are the only one that thinks her he's been locked in the embassy for years, sought for imprisonment by Washington, smeared with false charges, all because the NSA/CIA/deep state really like that he is exposing their crimes.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f3/Tin_foil_hat_2.jpg

[Origanalist]

You don't have any credibility nickers. Danno is 100% right about what happened. Trump was and is a lose canon. Trump gave money to whoever would help him. Clinton, Romney, anyone. And Trump did. And Trump won the GOP nomination. And Trump won the Presidency. His trip to the white house redpilled him but he won't sacrifice his family well being for your libertarian wet dreams.

Most people here are of a libertarian bent, at least they used to be. What brings you here?

[CCTelander]

Most people here are of a libertarian bent, at least they used to be. What brings you here?


Actually holding fast to bedrock principles doesn't seem to be as popular around here as it once was. I guess that's another "benefit" we've gotten frommthe Trump phenomenon. Can't you feel the freedom?

[Firestarter]

No. You probably are the only one that thinks her he's been locked in the embassy for years, sought for imprisonment by Washington, smeared with false charges, all because the NSA/CIA/deep state really like that he is exposing their crimes.

Wikileaks hasn't been exposing the crimes by the NSA/CIA.
Wikileaks is creating a diversion to keep us from finding out what'2 really going on...

[AZJoe]

A little Ron Paul Throwback speaking on Wikileaks and Assange in Congress:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaAUmPNR69w

"Do the America People deserve know the truth regarding the ongoing wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen?...

Why is the hostility directed at Assange, the publisher, and not at our governments failure to protect classified information? ...

Which has resulted in the greatest number of deaths: lying us into war or Wikileaks revelations or the release of the Pentagon Papers? ...

If Assange can be convicted of a crime for publishing information that he did not steal, what does this say about the future of the first amendment and the independence of the internet? ...

Could it be that the real reason for the near universal attacks on Wikileaks is more about secretly maintaining a seriously flawed foreign policy of empire than it is about national security? ...

Is there not a huge difference between releasing secret information to help the enemy in a time of declared war, which is treason, and the releasing of information to expose our government lies that promote secret wars, death and corruption? ...

Was it not once considered patriotic to stand up to our government when it is wrong?"



And some more wisdom from the good Dr. Paul on Wikileaks:


"In an empire of lies, the truth has become treason (https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/03/13/ron-paul-whistle-blowers-heroic-patriotic-editorials-debates/99138152/). …

These individuals risk it all, not for their own wealth and glory, but to inform us of what is being done to us and in our name. Their releases are both heroic and pro-American. What have we learned from whistle-blowers Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning or WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and others? …

Our consumer products have been turned into listening devices that the government can turn on and off at will. Those who ruled East Germany could only fantasize about such technology …

Revelations last week that our televisions may actually be watching us? Has the CIA been reading George Orwell’s 1984 as an instruction manual? …

We cannot entrust our life, liberty and happiness to an unelected shadow government that operates in secret and is accountable to no one. …

Whistle-blowers are the truth-seekers, and we must demand the truth. Who does not want to know the truth? Sadly, in an empire of lies, the truth has become treason."


Ron Paul (http://www.politico.com/story/2010/12/ron-paul-stands-up-for-assange-045930): "In a free society we're supposed to know the truth. In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it. This whole notion that Assange, who's an Australian, that we want to prosecute him for treason. I mean, aren't they jumping to a wild conclusion? This is media, isn't it? I mean, why don't we prosecute The New York Times or anybody that releases this?”

[Anti Federalist]

So they are just going to assassinate Assange? I hardly think that is the Jeff Sessions way. The man is all about law and order.

No, they're just not talking to him at all:


They’ve (DOJ) been unwilling to have any discussion at all, despite our repeated requests, that they let us know what Mr Assange’s status is in any pending investigations

[Indy Vidual]

Wait a minute! I thought Trump was the 'man with the balls to stand up to the deep state'. CNN may be/is full of $#@!, that doesn't change the fact that Sessions said Assange's arrest was a priority and Pompeo described WikiLeaks as a "A non-state hostile intelligence service".

These are Trump appointees, his boys talking. This is all on Trump and nobody else. Liberal my ass.

Yes, +1

[nikcers]

Ron Paul: Donald Trump’s Dangerous Wikileaks Flip-Flop

By Ron Paul (http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2017/april/24/candidate-trump-i-love-wikileaks-president-trump-arrest-assange/) -
April 24, 2017


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“I love Wikileaks,” candidate Donald Trump said on October 10th on the campaign trail. He praised the organization for reporting on the darker side of the Hillary Clinton campaign. It was information likely leaked by a whistleblower from within the Clinton campaign to Wikileaks.

Back then he praised Wikileaks for promoting transparency, but candidate Trump looks less like President Trump every day. The candidate praised whistleblowers and Wikileaks often on the campaign trail. In fact, candidate Trump loved Wikileaks so much he mentioned the organization more than 140 times in the final month of the campaign alone! Now, as President, it seems Trump wants Wikileaks founder Julian Assange sent to prison.

Last week CNN reported, citing anonymous “intelligence community” sources, that the Trump Administration’s Justice Department was seeking the arrest of Assange and had found a way to charge the Wikileaks founder for publishing classified information without charging other media outlets such as the New York Times and Washington Post for publishing the same information.

It might have been tempting to write off the CNN report as “fake news,” as is much of their reporting, but for the fact President Trump said in an interview on Friday that issuing an arrest warrant for Julian Assange would be, “OK with me.”

Trump’s condemnation of Wikileaks came just a day after his CIA Director, Michael Pompeo, attacked Wikileaks as a “hostile intelligence service.” Pompeo accused Assange of being “a fraud — a coward hiding behind a screen.”

Pompeo’s word choice was no accident. By accusing Wikileaks of being a “hostile intelligence service” rather than a publisher of information on illegal and abusive government practices leaked by whistleblowers, he signaled that the organization has no First Amendment rights. Like many in Washington, he does not understand that the First Amendment is a limitation on government rather than a granting of rights to citizens. Pompeo was declaring war on Wikileaks.

But not that long ago Pompeo also cited Wikileaks as an important source of information. In July he drew attention to the Wikileaks release of information damaging to the Clinton campaign, writing, “Need further proof that the fix was in from President Obama on down?”

There is a word for this sudden about-face on Wikileaks and the transparency it provides us into the operations of the prominent and powerful: hypocrisy.

The Trump Administration’s declaration of war on whistleblowers and Wikileaks is one of the greatest disappointments in these first 100 days. Donald Trump rode into the White House with promises that he would “drain the swamp,” meaning that he would overturn the apple carts of Washington’s vested interests. By unleashing those same vested interests on those who hold them in check – the whistleblowers and those who publish their revelations – he has turned his back on those who elected him.

Julian Assange, along with the whistleblowers who reveal to us the evil that is being done in our name, are heroes. They deserve our respect and admiration, not a prison cell. If we allow this president to declare war on those who tell the truth, we have only ourselves to blame.

[nikcers]

fake news


By Julian Assange April 25 at 7:39 PM

Julian Assange is editor of WikiLeaks.

Mike Pompeo, in his first speech as director of the CIA, chose to declare war on free speech rather than on the United States’ actual adversaries. He went after WikiLeaks, where I serve as editor, as a “non-state hostile intelligence service (http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-pompeo-are-you-sure-trump-1492114120-htmlstory.html).” In Pompeo’s worldview, telling the truth about the administration can be a crime — as Attorney General Jeff Sessions quickly underscored when he described my arrest as a “priority.” (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/04/julian-assange-arrest-priority-jeff-sessions-170421023413061.html) News organizations reported that federal prosecutors are weighing whether to bring charges against members of WikiLeaks, possibly including conspiracy, theft of government property and violating the Espionage Act.

All this speech to stifle speech comes in reaction to the first publication in the start of WikiLeaks’ “Vault 7” series (https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/). Vault 7 has begun publishing evidence of remarkable CIA incompetence and other shortcomings (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/wikileaks-says-it-has-obtained-trove-of-cia-hacking-tools/2017/03/07/c8c50c5c-0345-11e7-b1e9-a05d3c21f7cf_story.html?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.1db520dd6e26). This includes the agency’s creation, at a cost of billions of taxpayer dollars, of an entire arsenal of cyber viruses and hacking programs — over which it promptly lost control and then tried to cover up the loss. These publications also revealed the CIA’s efforts to infect the public’s ubiquitous consumer products and automobiles with computer viruses.

When the director of the CIA, an unelected public servant, publicly demonizes a publisher such as WikiLeaks as a “fraud,” “coward” and “enemy,” it puts all journalists on notice, or should. Pompeo’s next talking point, unsupported by fact, that WikiLeaks is a “non-state hostile intelligence service (http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-pompeo-are-you-sure-trump-1492114120-htmlstory.html),” is a dagger aimed at Americans’ constitutional right to receive honest information about their government. This accusation mirrors attempts throughout history by bureaucrats seeking, and failing, to criminalize speech that reveals their own failings.

President Theodore Roosevelt understood the danger of giving in to those “foolish or traitorous persons who endeavor to make it a crime to tell the truth about the Administration when the Administration is guilty of incompetence or other shortcomings.” Such “endeavor is itself a crime against the nation,” Roosevelt wrote (http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1918/04/06/page/6/article/just-criticism-is-right-and-duty-of-americans-t-r-says). President Trump and his officials should heed that advice.

Words matter, and I assume that Pompeo meant his when he said (http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/20/politics/julian-assange-wikileaks-us-charges/), “Julian Assange has no First Amendment freedoms. He’s sitting in an embassy in London. He’s not a U.S. citizen.” As a legal matter, this statement is simply false. It underscores just how dangerous it is for an unelected official whose agency’s work is rooted in lying and misdirection to be the sole arbiter of the truth and the interpreter of the Constitution.

Pompeo demonstrated a remarkable lack of irony when he suggested that WikiLeaks “focus instead on the autocratic regimes in this world that actually suppress free speech and dissent” — even as he called for a crackdown of such speech. In fact, Pompeo finds himself in the unsavory company of Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey (257,934 documents published by WikiLeaks); Bashar al-Assad of Syria (2.3 million documents); and the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia (122,609 documents), to name just a few who have tried and failed to censor WikiLeaks.

Pompeo was once a WikiLeaks fan. On July 24 (https://twitter.com/jessicaschulb/status/852608403566448641), then partisan politician Pompeo gloatingly tweeted: “Need further proof that the fix was in from Pres. Obama on down? BUSTED: 19,252 Emails from DNC Leaked by WikiLeaks.” Pompeo liked WikiLeaks when he perceived it was publishing material revealing the shortcomings of his political rivals. It was only when our publications touched Pompeo’s rice bowl that WikiLeaks became his target. Pompeo subsequently deleted the tweet, but he is learning that in the digital age, the truth is hard to hide. You don’t get to love the truth one day and seek its suppression and the incarceration of its publisher the next.

As a candidate, Trump tweeted (https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/786201435486781440?lang=en): “Very little pick-up by dishonest media of incredible information provided by WikiLeaks.” The president mentioned WikiLeaks 164 times (https://thinkprogress.org/trump-mentioned-wikileaks-164-times-in-last-month-of-election-now-claims-it-didnt-impact-one-40aa62ea5002) during the last month of the election and gushed: “I love WikiLeaks.” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUtT0b0EnSw)
All democratic governments are managed by imperfect human beings. And autocracies are much worse — the “benign dictator” is a myth. These human beings, democratic and autocratic alike, make mistakes and commit crimes, and often serve themselves rather than their countries. They are the focus of WikiLeaks’ publications.

The “Pompeo doctrine” articulated in his speech ensnares all serious news and investigative human rights organizations, from ProPublica to Amnesty International to Human Rights Watch. The logic that WikiLeaks, or these organizations, are somehow “intelligence agencies” would be as absurd as the suggestion that the CIA is a media outlet. Both journalists and intelligence agencies cultivate and protect sources, collect information and write reports, but the similarities end there. The world cannot afford, and the Constitution does not permit, a muzzle placed on the work that transparency organizations do to inform the American and global public.

Fundamental issues of free speech and freedom of the press, and of the interplay between liberty and security, date to the Republic’s founding. Those who believe in persecution and suppression of the truth to achieve their parochial ends are inevitably forgotten by history. In a fair fight, as John Milton observed, the truth always wins.

[Occam's Banana]

By Julian Assange April 25 at 7:39 PM

Julian Assange is editor of WikiLeaks.

Mike Pompeo, in his first speech as director of the CIA, chose to declare war on free speech [...]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Julian Assange again.

[Ender]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Julian Assange again.

I'd cover you, if I could.

[TheCount]

Bump for dannno and his secret decoder ring being wrong yet again. Has it ever been right?

[enhanced_deficit]

Did MAGA team recognize him as a 'whistleblower'?



Flip flop

In all fairness, many politicians flip flop.

[Anti-Neocon]

Did MAGA team recognize him as a 'whistleblower'?




In all fairness, many politicians flip flop.
MAGA team doesn't even have enough thought-out principles to know why a whistleblower should be protected.

If whistleblower is good for me, whistleblower good. If whistleblower is bad for me, whistleblower bad. That is MAGA.

Amash seems to be the only liberty-oriented person in Congress still holding to his principles.

[enhanced_deficit]

MAGA team doesn't even have enough thought-out principles to know why a whistleblower should be protected.

If whistleblower is good for me, whistleblower good. If whistleblower is bad for me, whistleblower bad. That is MAGA.

Amash seems to be the only liberty-oriented person in Congress still holding to his principles.


First instict was to say 'orange man bad' but on second thought +rep.