Trump Adviser: No Neocon Shift, ‘Not the Bush Administration’

[Mordan]

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/trump-adviser-no-neocon-shift-not-bush-administration/?utm_content=buffer7594c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer


Sebastian Gorka, deputy assistant to the president, said on Friday morning that President Donald Trump’s populist supporters need not fear that the decision to strike a Syrian government target last week represents an embrace of neoconservatism.

“It’s not a modification,” Gorka said Friday on “The Laura Ingraham Show.” “Donald J. Trump hasn’t changed from November 7 to Good Friday, April 14,” he said.

“This is not the Bush administration, and it is not neoconservatism.”

“This isn’t 2003, this isn’t 1991 and the Gulf War, and the president has not changed one bit,” Gorka said. “This is not the Bush administration, and it is not neoconservatism.”

Rather, Gorka claimed, Trump’s actions are motivated by the recognition that “if there is to be [a global] influence, it better be our values.”

Gorka blasted the notion that a limited Tomahawk missile strike in any way precipitates full-on intervention.

“It makes no sense — the idea that we are mired in something when we take an action that lasted 15 minutes,” Gorka said. To compare it with Iraq or Afghanistan “is just a salacious analogy … we are not mired in anything,” Gorka said.

Trump’s decision to attack Syria is, according to Gorka, motivated not by a desire to dive headfirst into the Syrian swamp but by a desire to project American power.
Trump Aide: President Has Not Changed Policy on Syria
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"Think about what happened since then," said Gorka. "Vladimir Putin didn't want to meet with us, well he did," Gorka said, also pointing out China's decision to suspend coal imports from North Korea. "These are not accidental issues," said Gorka. "This is the master of the art of the deal."

"The bottom line is [Trump's] a patriot, and he's a pragmatist," said Gorka.

[milgram]

Certainly not Irving Kristol. It's more Dr. Strangelove.

Show me where he campaigned on forcibly exporting "our values"

[timosman]

“is just a salacious analogy … we are not mired in anything,”

not until the Russians and Chinese decide they've had it and decide to kick our ass:cool:

[charrob]

I read that a few days before the chemical attack in Idlib that Trump re-started what had been Obama's program of U.S. training/arming/funding of arab (not kurd) rebels. Trump had stopped that program initially after inauguration. I think the training is being done on Jordan's border with Syria, but may be wrong. In addition, Tillerson was very clear in his press conference with Lavrov in Moscow that 'Assad must go'. And of course there were Nikki Haley's demands of the same.

The 4-page white paper written by McMaster is a fabricated sham with no sign-off by intelligence agencies and no proof given to the American people that Assad was behind Idlib's recent sarin attack. Trump did not ask congress nor the UN for permission to attack a government that was no threat to the US. In so doing, 9 civilians including 4 children were killed.

All this leads me to believe that the neocons have won.

Add to that other issues such as destruction of privacy rights from our ISPs, the flip-flop on export-import bank, and not listing China as a currency manipulator just adds more evidence that Trump's base has been completely fooled. The globalists have won.

[nikcers]

“It makes no sense — the idea that we are mired in something when we take an action that lasted 15 minutes,” Gorka said. To compare it with Iraq or Afghanistan “is just a salacious analogy … we are not mired in anything,” Gorka said. This is Frank Luntz level manipulation of facts.

This is far worse then Iraq, at least Bush went to congress, this is far worse then Obama, at least Obama went to congress. Illegal base in Syria, no problem at least its not Iraq yet.

They even already compared this action in Syria to world war 2?

Why is the actions in Syria like world war 2 but not like Iraq?

At least we declared war against Iraq, and against Japan.

[dannno]

not until the Russians and Chinese decide they've had it and decide to kick our ass:cool:

They are on our side. Russia and China are backing us against NK.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?509790-Cernovich-Vows-To-Deliver-Mother-Lode-of-Scandalous-Trump-Admin-Info-if-Bannon-is-Ousted

[dannno]

All this leads me to believe that the neocons have won.


The fake news media has been trying to frame it that way for months now.

[nikcers]

They are on our side. Russia and China are backing us against NK.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?509790-Cernovich-Vows-To-Deliver-Mother-Lode-of-Scandalous-Trump-Admin-Info-if-Bannon-is-Ousted
Why is the USA and Russia in a nuclear arms race if they are on our side?

[dannno]

Why is the USA and Russia in a nuclear arms race if they are on our side?

Is that a real question?

[nikcers]

Is that a real question? yes are we building up to go to war against Aliens or are we the closest to war with Russia then we ever have been?

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[Anti Federalist]

Rather, Gorka claimed, Trump’s actions are motivated by the recognition that “if there is to be [a global] influence, it better be our values.”

FFS that is pretty much the textbook "one line" description of neo-conservative foreign policy.

[timosman]

FFS that is pretty much the textbook "one line" description of neo-conservative foreign policy.

These aren't the Droids you're looking for (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=532j-186xEQ).;)

[dannno]

yes are we building up to go to war against Aliens or are we the closest to war with Russia then we ever have been?

Furthest.

[Anti-Neocon]

We're not communists, we're just believers in the teachings of Karl Marx.

[dannno]

FFS that is pretty much the textbook "one line" description of neo-conservative foreign policy.

That is the textbook "one line" description of what neo-conservatives claim their foreign policy is about in order to get people to support them.

The actual objective of neo-conservatives, I think, is global economic and military power.

[timosman]

The actual objective of neo-conservatives, I think, is global economic and military power.

No shit Sherlock.:cool:

[dannno]

I've been saying this for a week..


“It makes no sense — the idea that we are mired in something when we take an action that lasted 15 minutes,”

Trump has no intentions of getting us bogged down in any military boondoggles.

If you prefer another military boondoggle like all the ones we have had over the last 15 years or so to an attack of an empty airfield that lasted 15 minutes, because you like peace, then I feel bad for your intellect.

[Brian4Liberty]

For those who want to listen to the actual interview, it's the beginning if the video in the following thread.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?509501-Laura-Ingraham-discusses-Syria-Rand-is-guest

[dannno]

No shit Sherlock.:cool:

Neo-conservatives are also known for preaching about morals and Christian values to get elected, giving some lip service to taxes and maybe spending, and then vote for big government. It is part of their strategy, Ron Paul has talked about this extensively. Another part of their strategy is to keep us in wars that are endless boondoggles, it is good or the coffers of the MIC.

If the neo-conservatives actually did what they ran on, they wouldn't be neo-conservatives. They wouldn't be libertarians either, but more importantly they wouldn't be neo-conservatives. That is what Trump is - NOT a neo-conservative. At least not yet. Why? Because his actions so far have only lended to the possibility that he may be one, the mainstream media loves to push that narrative, but he so far has shown not to be. And by many indications, will not be. He won't be a libertarian, but I don't think he will be a neo-conservative.

[timosman]

Neo-conservatives are also known for preaching about morals and Christian values to get elected, giving some lip service to taxes and maybe spending, and then vote for big government. It is part of their strategy, Ron Paul has talked about this extensively. Another part of their strategy is to keep us in wars that are endless boondoggles, it is good or the coffers of the MIC.

If the neo-conservatives actually did what they ran on, they wouldn't be neo-conservatives. They wouldn't be libertarians either, but more importantly they wouldn't be neo-conservatives. That is what Trump is - NOT a neo-conservative. At least not yet. Why? Because his actions so far have only lended to the possibility that he may be one, the mainstream media loves to push that narrative, but he so far has shown not to be. And by many indications, will not be. He won't be a libertarian, but I don't think he will be a neo-conservative.

That was great.:cool:

[jmdrake]

That is the textbook "one line" description of what neo-conservatives claim their foreign policy is about in order to get people to support them.

The actual objective of neo-conservatives, I think, is global economic and military power.

You know your boy Trump is a George Soros puppet right?

[openfire]

You know your boy Trump is a George Soros puppet right?

I'm open to all possibilities. Please elaborate... (Bring proof or GTFO)

[CPUd]

FFS that is pretty much the textbook "one line" description of neo-conservative foreign policy.

We bring the freedom to them over there so they won't come looking for freedom over here.

[dannno]

You know your boy Trump is a George Soros puppet right?

Quite the opposite.

[openfire]

Quite the opposite.

Obviously.

... But it would be interesting to see their "proof" if for no other reason than to discredit their arguments. Alas, no proof will be forthcoming.

[dannno]

Obviously.

... But it would be interesting to see their "proof" if for no other reason than to discredit their arguments. Alas, no proof will be forthcoming.

This was the group being promoted on here most recently regarding Trump's air strikes in Syria that allegedly killed civilians and children..

Note that the article mentions the Ron Paul Institute has also claimed that they are nefarious.

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/12/23/white-helmets-fraudsters-serving-western-spy-agencies.html

[Mordan]

You know your boy Trump is a George Soros puppet right?

You know your boy Rand Paul is a George Soros puppet right? I have proof. But I can't release it. Gag order.

[jmdrake]

Quite the opposite.

Do you think George Soros invested in Trump by giving him money for nothing? Do the words "controlled opposition" mean nothing to you?

[jmdrake]

You know your boy Rand Paul is a George Soros puppet right? I have proof. But I can't release it. Gag order.

No gag order on Trump getting George Soros money. And the actions of Trump, from fighting the Freedom Caucus over Obamacare to dramatically increasing the "defense" budget to deciding we are going to stay in Iraq "for years" to bombing Syria to threatening war with North Korea are all things that fit nicely with the globalist agenda, thank you very much. He's done a few things that can be argued are pro liberty, but so did Obama (getting us out of Iraq prior to when the GOP wanted, opening relations with Cuba, the Iran nuke deal), and if I think hard enough I might come up with a few good things Bush did too.

[jmdrake]

You know your boy Rand Paul is a George Soros puppet right? I have proof. But I can't release it. Gag order.

Oh, and thank you for the neg rep. It just shows that Trump fans are still in denial even though they claim to have woken up after Trump did what all of the rest of us saw him doing on foreign policy. The facts are incontrovertible though. Trump is a George Soros puppet. Soros gave millions to Trump.

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/02/trump-pals-around-with-george-soros
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/16/donald-trump-took-liberal-icon-george-soros-s-money.html
http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/commentary-why-is-trump-choosing-soros-and-democrat-connected-mnuchin-to-lead-treasury/

Now George Soros is calling in the chips while funding phony opposition to Trump at the same time designed to get Trump's base to not see what's going on. Trump got rid of Steve Bannon, but Goldman Sachs executive Dina Powell remains on Trumps national security team.

You know what's really funny? Trump die hards would rather believe that Trump may be being blackmailed for being a pedophile and going to Epstein's "Orgy Island" or that Trump is being cucked by his own daughter Ivanka (about as disgusting as him shanking some underage sex slave at "Orgy Island") than to face up to the truth, which is Trump has absolutely no principles. Trump donated hundreds of thousands to the freaking Clinton foundation!

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/28/does-trump-like-hillary-more-than-vets.html

Bill Clinton personally called Trump in 2015 and asked Trump to "get involved with republican politics" (hint: run for president).

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/28/does-trump-like-hillary-more-than-vets.html

Seriously, how can you not see the truth on this? And why is the truth more disturbing to you than the idea of Trump being blackmailed?

[Mordan]

jmdrake it is a possible scenario. I don't dispute it. My reality tells me it is probably otherwise. If Trump was indeed such a puppet, he would not have fought like he did against Hillary.

Political donations will make Rand a puppet as well. Political donations will make you and me puppets. See my answer about how to solve the power problem. Complete transparency of public servants.

[jmdrake]

jmdrake it is a possible scenario. I don't dispute it. My reality tells me it is probably otherwise. If Trump was indeed such a puppet, he would not have fought like he did against Hillary.

Political donations will make Rand a puppet as well. Political donations will make you and me puppets. See my answer about how to solve the power problem. Complete transparency of public servants.

Why did Obama fight Hillary as hard as he did? Do you think Hillary didn't want to be president back in 2008 when she was still healthy? And I'm not talking about political donations. George Soros gave Trump money long before Trump ever thought about politics. And it's the money that Trump gave the Clinton foundation that is truly disturbing.

[Mordan]

Why did Obama fight Hillary as hard as he did? Do you think Hillary didn't want to be president back in 2008 when she was still healthy? And I'm not talking about political donations. George Soros gave Trump money long before Trump ever thought about politics. And it's the money that Trump gave the Clinton foundation that is truly disturbing.

not disturbing at all. He was a then democrat. He tried to buy political influence. In his position I would have done the same. It is the game.

Solution: Strip the public servants completely naked.

EDIT: Soros played it masterfully. He donated to both sides so he can influence anyways and so people like jmdrake can bitch about it. What if Soros gives money to Rand?

[nikcers]

What if Soros gives money to Rand? Trump hasn't even ever gave money to Rand. He lied and said he did, he donated to the charity Rand was doing charity surgeries for. He donated to the same charity Rand donated to. Trump did donate to people like McConnell though, and I am sure he will put up money to primary the freedom caucus too.

[Origanalist]

not disturbing at all. He was a then democrat. He tried to buy political influence. In his position I would have done the same. It is the game.

Solution: Strip the public servants completely naked.

EDIT: Soros played it masterfully. He donated to both sides so he can influence anyways and so people like jmdrake can bitch about it. What if Soros gives money to Rand?

What if the cow jumped over the moon?

[Philmanoman]

Why do you people continue to suck trumps dick?
Wouldn't you rather not suck anyones?
Follow trump around n maybe you can meet him and bow down before his feet.
that's what many of you want to do.Isn't it?

[devil21]

Obviously.

... But it would be interesting to see their "proof" if for no other reason than to discredit their arguments. Alas, no proof will be forthcoming.

Sure, taking hundreds of millions of dollars from Soros over decades doesn't make Trump a Soros puppet but usually when someone is bailed out by someone else, the bailee tends to owe favors to the bailer. Would you agree that is a rational conclusion? Soros funded the construction of Trump Tower. Soros bailed out Trump's failing Resorts International casino. Does that automatically make Trump a Soros puppet? Not automatically but it sure does make Trump someone that owes Soros (Osiris?) some huge favors.

I don't even need to post links because basic searches will provide the whole backstory. This doesn't even touch Soros and Kushner's mutual history, either.

I'm amazed that after Trump has backtracked on practically every campaign promise that some still genuflect at the Temple of Trump and defend everything. Not sure what it takes to start questioning loyalties (it's stupid to place loyalty in politicians in general) but the list of broken promises is already a mile long. Trump admin aides aren't stupid though and surely have seen the anger over the Syrian missiles across the net and in internal polls. Damage control time since they can't allow his base to wander off the reservation so quickly. You can't "govern" with only the support of the military worshipers in fly-over country and everyone else opposing you.

(Though if I were a betting man, I'd say most of the online Temple of Trump posters/commenters/etc are part of a larger astroturf operation to maintain a facade of support, instead of organic support. I've seen on other forums how posters that are critical of Trump are attacked by others and quickly devolve every thread into a hail of Tourette's profanity and personal attacks. Tactics which are straight out of AIPAC/JIDF handbooks.)

[nikcers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBn6UZFeNy4

[jmdrake]

not disturbing at all. He was a then democrat. He tried to buy political influence. In his position I would have done the same. It is the game.

Solution: Strip the public servants completely naked.

EDIT: Soros played it masterfully. He donated to both sides so he can influence anyways and so people like jmdrake can bitch about it. What if Soros gives money to Rand?

Question. Serious question. Why is it that you are more disturbed by the possibility that Trump is a Soros puppet than the possibility that Trump is a pedophile? Seriously. Post the Trump betrayal, no Trump supporter has said "How dare you suggest Trump might be being blackmailed based on Orgy Island." In fact AuH2O and at least one other Trump defender have taken that as entirely plausible. Yet the much more plausible idea that Trump was playing his supporters for suckers all along is met with derision and hate in a way that I just can't understand. Trump has been a progressive interventionist most of his public life. He advocated for gun control. He donated to the Clinton foundation! But we're supposed to pretend none of that happened because he convinced you that he was on your side? Ummmmm....okay.

I'm not "bitching" about anything. I'm stating the most obvious fact. Trump took Soros money, not as a campaign contribution but as a bailout for a failing business! Rand Paul has not done that. He's not come close to doing that. I expect politicians to take donations from everyone and I don't think that means anything. But getting bailed out when your business is failing does mean something. You owe that person something in a way that you do not owe campaign contributors. After all, if your campaign fails the worst that can happen is you can go back to your private life. If your business fails...well that can negatively affect your private life.

[jmdrake]

Obviously.

... But it would be interesting to see their "proof" if for no other reason than to discredit their arguments. Alas, no proof will be forthcoming.

No. Dannno's position is not "obvious." It's convoluted and pretty much bat guano crazy. The fact is that Trump isn't doing what many people expected him to do based on his campaign rhetoric. But he current actions actually mirror much of his pre campaign rhetoric that dates back to the time Soros was bailing him out and he was donating money to the Clinton foundation. However, for some odd reason, Trump supporters would rather believe he is some sicko pedophile that is being blackmailed by the deep state.

[devil21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBn6UZFeNy4

Hmm...is she granddaughter of the Communist Georgian leader?

[devil21]

They sure like that Bush term "resolve", though. Peace through strength too. And it's "iron clad", dontcha know. Pence is channeling Dick Cheney as he promised to during the campaign.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCQuiT5kAb8