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William Tell
04-13-2017, 07:23 PM
The LP has stupidity down to a science.

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https://twitter.com/AP4Liberty/status/852675511142764545

afwjam
04-13-2017, 07:40 PM
That reminds me, need to cancel my membership.

AuH20
04-13-2017, 07:41 PM
I think they've been trojan horsed like the GOP has.

Lamp
04-13-2017, 07:57 PM
http://i.imgur.com/glx0iRu.jpg

timosman
04-13-2017, 07:58 PM
https://s26.postimg.org/p9r84rcm1/Lenin_Controlled_Opposition.jpg

Lamp
04-13-2017, 08:00 PM
https://i0.wp.com/www.constitutionparty.com/assets/cropped-logo512px.png?fit=240%2C240&ssl=1

I will assume everyones moving over to the CP now?

ARealConservative
04-13-2017, 08:23 PM
educational wing not trying to win office but get people to think about issues and liberties.

but boy are they really pushing the envelope here!

euphemia
04-13-2017, 08:29 PM
They've been circling the drain for a while. Now, the final flush.

asurfaholic
04-13-2017, 08:33 PM
Living by your own will alone is not liberty because people are never truly free by themselves. They will have the chains of the natural sinful nature holding them from truly experiencing freedom as God intended.

phill4paul
04-13-2017, 08:36 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/9Xg6u2FWBmQLK/giphy.gif

If anyone here did not see the co-opt of the party then I don't really know what to say. The sad truth is that they were ripe for the picking. If you are going to run Federal government opposition without core principles..then...Gary Johnson.

asurfaholic
04-13-2017, 08:38 PM
..

jkr
04-13-2017, 08:39 PM
Ron Paul & Michael Badnarik DO NOT approve this message
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Lamp
04-13-2017, 08:40 PM
ok if we're gonna play that game I guess........


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gVFZKH6nmQ

William Tell
04-13-2017, 08:43 PM
https://i0.wp.com/www.constitutionparty.com/assets/cropped-logo512px.png?fit=240%2C240&ssl=1

I will assume everyones moving over to the CP now?

Ya. You know the criticism of some here used to be that the CP is a "Christian Party" :p

Lamp
04-13-2017, 08:44 PM
Ya. You know the criticism of some here used to be that the CP is a "Christian Party" :p


I thought I was the only one here who wasn't christian.

William Tell
04-13-2017, 08:45 PM
I thought I was the only one here who wasn't christian.

No. we have diversity.

oyarde
04-13-2017, 09:41 PM
I thought I was the only one here who wasn't christian.

Libertarian leaning people are often athiest . I am a Christian but doubt that most are .

phill4paul
04-13-2017, 09:55 PM
Libertarian leaning people are often athiest . I am a Christian but doubt that most are .

I'm agnostic. I don't know another libertarian that is Satanic. Not a one. I've known many Christians that were libertarians. I've never run across a Satanist that was disposed towards libertarianism. I dunno. YMMV.

Ender
04-13-2017, 09:59 PM
Libertarian leaning people are often athiest . I am a Christian but doubt that most are .

I'm Christian.

Indy Vidual
04-14-2017, 09:36 AM
This could be fake?

I don't use Twitter, but start here:
https://twitter.com/LPNational
...all the real postings say " Libertarian Party‏ (Verified account) @LPNational"

The post in this thread doesn't have the same format

William Tell
04-14-2017, 09:47 AM
This could be fake?

I don't use Twitter, but start here:
https://twitter.com/LPNational
...all the real postings say " Libertarian Party‏ (Verified account) @LPNational"

The post in this thread doesn't have the same format

It is not fake. It is a screen shot of the Facebook page not their Twitter page. Austin Petersen and others saw it. Then the LP took the post down.

Indy Vidual
04-14-2017, 10:33 AM
It is not fake. It is a screen shot of the Facebook page not their Twitter page. Austin Petersen and others saw it. Then the LP took the post down.

OK, I see, thanks for explaining:
Now I see "Facebook" in the text under the second image.... SpongeBob must have distracted me. :)


Edit: That is real, WTF, sounds like Satan is expanding his influence.

Keith and stuff
04-19-2017, 09:27 AM
This seems aligned with that I thought the LP was about. The LP is about spreading the message of liberty, not getting elected. This created news/social media buzz. People are talking about the LP. Some of those people are learning about liberty. Seems like a win for the LP.

People that want to win partisan offices run as Republicans in most states or in New Hampshire, as Republicans or Democrats. This doesn't change that.

undergroundrr
04-19-2017, 10:28 AM
This seems aligned with that I thought the LP was about. The LP is about spreading the message of liberty, not getting elected. This created news/social media buzz. People are talking about the LP. Some of those people are learning about liberty. Seems like a win for the LP.

People that want to win partisan offices run as Republicans in most states or in New Hampshire, as Republicans or Democrats. This doesn't change that.

Yep. As I understand it, they did a series of tweets that demonstrated libertarian principles are found in Islam, Buddhism, etc. In fact, Sarwark says the first time the Islam and Buddhism tweets got way more blowback than the Satanic Temple one.

Like it or not, the LP platform says this -


1.2 Expression and Communication

We support full freedom of expression and oppose government censorship, regulation or control of communications media and technology. We favor the freedom to engage in or abstain from any religious activities that do not violate the rights of others. We oppose government actions which either aid or attack any religion.

As much as we might believe one or the other religion is true, the LP's mission requires it (as an organization) giving one religion no more or less political validity than any other.

Whether the LP is doing the right thing marketing-wise is another question. But if religious conservatives voted for trump, can we really be so concerned about one tweet from the LP?

As far as I can tell, the Satanic Temple is a spoof organization in the vein of Church of the SubGenius, Pastafarianism, Kekism, etc. If, in the course of their tongue-in-cheek shennanigans their organization sometimes forwards the work of the real Adversary, well, so do many self-identifying Christians, sometimes in the name of the Savior.

pcosmar
04-19-2017, 10:41 AM
Edit: That is real, WTF, sounds like Satan is expanding his influence.

Nope,, just his visibility.

undergroundrr
04-19-2017, 11:23 AM
Nope,, just his visibility.

I think that correlates with influence.

The real question is whether Satan's purposes are being promoted.

The word Satan isn't a magic word like Voldemort that causes bad things to happen by its very utterance. The Satan worshipped by the Satanic Temple is the character from 80s heavy-metal records and splatter gore movies, The Devil Is a Part-Timer, Little Nicky, etc. It seems to me that somebody saying they worship Satan (especially that one) and not really meaning it maybe not as bad as it seems. Wouldn't Satan's work be more effectively done by somebody claiming to worship the risen Christ, but not really meaning it?

H. E. Panqui
04-19-2017, 11:31 AM
Yep. As I understand it, they did a series of tweets that demonstrated libertarian principles are found in Islam, Buddhism, etc. In fact, Sarwark says the first time the Islam and Buddhism tweets got way more blowback than the Satanic Temple one.

Like it or not, the LP platform says this -



As much as we might believe one or the other religion is true, the LP's mission requires it (as an organization) giving one religion no more or less political validity than any other.

Whether the LP is doing the right thing marketing-wise is another question. But if religious conservatives voted for trump, can we really be so concerned about one tweet from the LP?

As far as I can tell, the Satanic Temple is a spoof organization in the vein of Church of the SubGenius, Pastafarianism, Kekism, etc. If, in the course of their tongue-in-cheek shennanigans their organization sometimes forwards the work of the real Adversary, well, so do many self-identifying Christians, sometimes in the name of the Savior.

...great post...

...let's get real here...this is the abortion prohibitionist coalition (mostly radio republicans, 'christian' :rolleyes: republicans, etc. republicrat cranks) trying to score political points...btw, take the very same quote (attributed here to 'the satanic temple,') and attribute it to some obscure author and most of you would like it...why not?..

...and the know-little blowhard, austin peterson, supported the republican crud-puppet ted cruz..ugh...he needs to get out of the LP and go blow republican trumpet..

Danke
04-19-2017, 03:32 PM
I am a Christian...


https://media.giphy.com/media/iQEOg3zGJBXLa/giphy.gif

Lamp
04-19-2017, 03:39 PM
The Devil Is a Part-Timer

It was good wasn't it?

http://fanaru.com/the-devil-is-a-part-timer/image/26534-the-devil-is-a-part-timer-the-devil-is-a-part-timer.jpg

euphemia
04-19-2017, 03:39 PM
I'm a Christian, and I think it is about time we stop using the term "libertarian" because it has been taken over by people who have a lot of power and very little idea about liberty.

What's the new term?

Jamesiv1
04-19-2017, 03:42 PM
All you guys talking about Satan might want to do some research before you embarrass yourself again.

Danke
04-19-2017, 03:43 PM
All you guys talking about Satan might want to do some research before you embarrass yourself again.

I predicted you'd say that.

Lamp
04-19-2017, 03:47 PM
The LP is about spreading the message of liberty

Except it fails at that miserably compared to various educational foundations and think tanks such as the Mises Institute, FEE, Liberty Fund etc

undergroundrr
04-19-2017, 04:39 PM
Except it fails at that miserably compared to various educational foundations and think tanks such as the Mises Institute, FEE, Liberty Fund etc

The LP exposes libertarianism to massively more people than any of those.

Just to illustrate where it fit into my progress -

20-year old socialist -> Ayn Rand books -> Rush Limbaugh -> C-Span Libertarian Party Convention -> Ron Paul

The LP is extremely valuable if nothing else because it exposes the word "libertarian" to tens of millions of people at least once every 4 years. Weather the party or its candidates still represent core libertarian principles or not, the brand and concept of libertarianism maintain currency because of the LP.

BTW I'm not a member of the LP and wish they reflected core principles more consistently. But I think it's in the best interest of humanity that the LP be as healthy as possible. Mises, FEE etc. feed into the LP and vice versa.

r3volution 3.0
04-19-2017, 04:48 PM
If anyone here did not see the co-opt of the party then I don't really know what to say. The sad truth is that they were ripe for the picking. If you are going to run Federal government opposition without core principles..then...Gary Johnson.

The fundamental problem with the LP isn't the Barrs and the Johnsons, it's this guy...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVKDbpYQTa0

And this guy (http://www.gq.com/story/augustus-sol-invictus-goat-sacrifice)....


If you don't know, Florida Senate candidate Augustus Sol Invictus (the only member of the Libertarian Party running to fill the seat vacated by presidential hopeful Marco Rubio) is accused of ritualistically sacrificing a goat in a pagan ceremony...There's no way this can be true. This has to slander. Nope. Invictus has given an interview to the Orlando Sentinel (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/gone-viral/os-ap-florida-senate-sacrificing-goat-20151005-story.html) where he readily admits killing a goat and drinking its blood. The only part of it he refutes is suggestion it was "sadistic." Because, apparently, there is a non-sadistic way to sacrifice a goat, drain it of its blood, and then drink it: "I did sacrifice a goat. I know that's probably a quibble in the mind of most Americans. I sacrificed an animal to the god of the wilderness ... Yes, I drank the goat's blood."

...lifestyle libertarians, in other words.

Ludwig von Mises would not be caught dead with any of these misfits.

libertarian =/= libertine (or, at least, it shouldn't)

Danke
04-19-2017, 04:52 PM
The fundamental problem with the LP isn't the Barrs and the Johnsons, it's this guy...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVKDbpYQTa0


mods!

Re-ban!

Keith and stuff
04-19-2017, 04:53 PM
Except it fails at that miserably compared to various educational foundations and think tanks such as the Mises Institute, FEE, Liberty Fund etc
All of these various education methods have their ways towards spreading the message. The organizations the Koch brothers have a hand in tend to be the best at spread the message, but some folks don't like them. It is good for competing organizations to exist, like the organizations you named, and the LP, to reach more people.

r3volution 3.0
04-19-2017, 04:58 PM
mods!

Re-ban!

Sorry Danke, you just can't cut it in a speedo.

oyarde
04-19-2017, 05:06 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/iQEOg3zGJBXLa/giphy.gif

LOL , pretty good Danke.

FunkBuddha
04-19-2017, 05:43 PM
Michael Aquino - 2020!

Danke
04-19-2017, 07:05 PM
LOL , pretty good Danke.

Lol, speechless heathen.

Superfluous Man
04-19-2017, 07:29 PM
This could be fake?

I don't use Twitter, but start here:
https://twitter.com/LPNational
...all the real postings say " Libertarian Party‏ (Verified account) @LPNational"

The post in this thread doesn't have the same format

It's not fake. It was on the LP's official Facebook page.

I've also seen tons of LP folks defending it as a good move.

Jamesiv1
04-20-2017, 12:16 PM
I predicted you'd say that.
It has been foretold that you would make that bold prediction.

well done.

jllundqu
04-20-2017, 12:25 PM
https://i0.wp.com/www.constitutionparty.com/assets/cropped-logo512px.png?fit=240%2C240&ssl=1

I will assume everyones moving over to the CP now?

I would if the CP wasn't overtly Christian. I'd simply like to belong to a non-religious political party that upholds individual rights, civil rights, the Constitution and BoR, and is fiscally responsible. Period. We don't have one.

PierzStyx
04-20-2017, 12:39 PM
Yep. As I understand it, they did a series of tweets that demonstrated libertarian principles are found in Islam, Buddhism, etc. In fact, Sarwark says the first time the Islam and Buddhism tweets got way more blowback than the Satanic Temple one.

Like it or not, the LP platform says this -



As much as we might believe one or the other religion is true, the LP's mission requires it (as an organization) giving one religion no more or less political validity than any other.

Whether the LP is doing the right thing marketing-wise is another question. But if religious conservatives voted for trump, can we really be so concerned about one tweet from the LP?

As far as I can tell, the Satanic Temple is a spoof organization in the vein of Church of the SubGenius, Pastafarianism, Kekism, etc. If, in the course of their tongue-in-cheek shennanigans their organization sometimes forwards the work of the real Adversary, well, so do many self-identifying Christians, sometimes in the name of the Savior.

The big issue is timing. To put this out right before Easter suggests the LP can't tell the difference between good and bad publicity or that they have their head so far up their arseholes they didn't realize this would get them bad publicity.

PierzStyx
04-20-2017, 12:43 PM
And this guy (http://www.gq.com/story/augustus-sol-invictus-goat-sacrifice)....



...lifestyle libertarians, in other words.

Ludwig von Mises would not be caught dead with any of these misfits.

libertarian =/= libertine (or, at least, it shouldn't)

Augustus Sol Invictus (roughly translatable as "The Exalted Unconquered Sun") cannot be that guy's birth name. Guy needs to go back to his Exalted or D&D group and stay out of politics until he gets his crap together.

That said, animal sacrifice doesn't have to be sadistic. Hang it upside down, slit its throat, let the blood drain out, and other than the sharp knife pain the animal will feel very little pain and pass out before actually dying. Dismembering it when it is alive though? That does sound sadistic.

Superfluous Man
04-20-2017, 12:43 PM
I'd simply like to belong to a non-religious political party

Such a thing is not even theoretically possible.

undergroundrr
04-20-2017, 12:53 PM
The big issue is timing. To put this out right before Easter suggests the LP can't tell the difference between good and bad publicity or that they have there head so far up their arseholes they didn't realize this would get them bad publicity.

Totally accurate.

jllundqu
04-20-2017, 01:04 PM
Such a thing is not even theoretically possible.

How so? Not challenging you... simply like to know your thoughts

devil21
04-20-2017, 01:34 PM
Most of y'all still haven't figured out that organized religions are control methods? Sure, there's a lot of good life lessons in, for example, the NT, but they still are devised control methods handed down over thousands of years. The names are changed periodically but the stories are the same and propagated with the same general purpose.

I know I'm stirring the pot a bit but what has been seen can not be unseen. The Statue of Liberty is a depiction of the goddess Isis, given to the US by french freemasons. Her torch (yes, Rand's campaign logo...and Ted's...and a myriad of others) represents the light of Lucifer, aka the knowledge of good and evil.

Superfluous Man
04-20-2017, 01:55 PM
How so? Not challenging you... simply like to know your thoughts

Because political parties have agendas. And all agendas are ultimately rooted in religious values.

Jamesiv1
04-20-2017, 02:17 PM
How so? Not challenging you... simply like to know your thoughts
Because politics and religion are both belief systems.

i.e.
I believe in God, you don't.
You believe in strong federal government, I don't.
etc.

That's why it is never a good idea to discuss politics or religion with people you love. Nothing you can say will change what someone believes, nor can they change yours. You can provide food for thought, but change must be approached on one's own terms.

No amount of iron-clad argument will budge a belief.

kahless
04-20-2017, 09:50 PM
I'm a Christian, and I think it is about time we stop using the term "libertarian" because it has been taken over by people who have a lot of power and very little idea about liberty.

What's the new term?

"Individual Liberty". Depending on the context of a discussion I had stopped using the term libertarian since it was too closely associated with a party of assholes.

After seeing this I believe that party and the term needs to die off. They are damaging to the ideals of achieving any form individual liberty in my lifetime in the US.

angelatc
04-20-2017, 09:58 PM
This seems aligned with that I thought the LP was about. The LP is about spreading the message of liberty, not getting elected. This created news/social media buzz. People are talking about the LP. Some of those people are learning about liberty. Seems like a win for the LP.
.

Yeah, it's not.

angelatc
04-20-2017, 10:08 PM
Because political parties have agendas. And all agendas are ultimately rooted in religious values.

Yeah. Profit and power *NEVER* have any bearing. It's just religion. That's all.

nikcers
04-20-2017, 10:19 PM
I am starting to think that political change will only come when we all take all of our money out of the bank. I think if enough people did it would send a message to the right people.

The Rebel Poet
04-20-2017, 10:49 PM
I would if the CP wasn't overtly Christian. I'd simply like to belong to a non-religious political party that upholds individual rights, civil rights, the Constitution and BoR, and is fiscally responsible. Period. We don't have one.
Ideally, CP and LP should merge and focus on the 99% of basic principles they have in common. Short of that they should try this: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?409096-Constitution-Libertarian-Coalition

r3volution 3.0
04-20-2017, 11:24 PM
A third party that takes a strong stance on the culture war is going to have trouble carving out a space for itself.

People who care most about culture war issues already have the Dems/GOP to represent them - no reason for them to join a third party.

...the Dems/GOP are really all about the culture war, since they're more or less identical on the important issues.

What people don't have is a viable party advocating for the market economy, a rational foreign policy, and the Bill of Rights.

...this was Ron's appeal (he's a social conservative at a personal level, but didn't run on culture war issues one way or another)

If the LP or CP want to grow, they should drop their pandering to SJWs/ChristianCons, resp., and focus their energies elsewhere.

To the Poet's point, let them merge and rebrand themselves the Classical Liberty Party or Market Liberal Party or something like that.

Indy Vidual
04-21-2017, 02:59 PM
All you guys talking about Satan might want to do some research before you embarrass yourself again.

Would you care to enlighten me or do I have to wait for Lucifer? :p

undergroundrr
04-21-2017, 03:24 PM
...this was Ron's appeal (he's a social conservative at a personal level, but didn't run on culture war issues one way or another)


So beautifully true. He was (and is) for liberty for everybody. Period.

Still, he was overtly a social conservative and many libertarians just couldn't accept that a social conservative wouldn't want to impose their views on everybody.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say Ron Paul's example made me comfortable for the first time in my life being a social conservative. While I harbored many of those values (especially pro-life), the broad landscape of social conservatism always struck me as objectionable because of its ill-will for other worldviews.

Lamp
04-21-2017, 04:23 PM
In fact, I'd go so far as to say Ron Paul's example made me comfortable for the first time in my life being a social conservative. While I harbored many of those values (especially pro-life), the broad landscape of social conservatism always struck me as objectionable because of its ill-will for other worldviews.

same