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TheCount
04-12-2017, 01:48 PM
Trump was just letting them release this report so that he could fire the writers for writing it and Spicer for releasing it.


The United States is confident that the Syrian regime conducted a chemical weapons attacking, using the nerve agent sarin, against its own people in the town of Khan Shaykun in southern Idlib Province on April 4, 2017.

...

We have confidence in our assessment because we have signals intelligence and geospatial intelligence, laboratory analysis of physiological samples collected from multiple victims, as well as a significant body of credible open source reporting, that tells a clear and consistent story. We cannot publicly release all available intelligence on this attack due to the need to protect sources and methods, but the following includes an unclassified summary of the U.S. Intelligence Community's analysis of this attack.

...

The Syrian regime and its primary backer, Russia, have sought to confuse the world community about who is responsible for using chemical weapons against the Syrian people in this and earlier attacks.


https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3553049/Syria-Chemical-Weapons-Report-White-House.pdf



It ends in a call for international condemnation and action.

jllundqu
04-12-2017, 01:51 PM
https://az616578.vo.msecnd.net/files/2016/07/01/636029332750253636-1703965838_allergic%20to%20bullshit.gif

TheCount
04-12-2017, 01:54 PM
Every other thread on this topic is worthy of staying in the US Politics forum but this one is immediately moved - without leaving a link behind - to the World News forum.


Any particular reason? Inconvenient to the Trump narrative?

Brian4Liberty
04-12-2017, 01:58 PM
Every other thread on this topic is worthy of staying in the US Politics forum but this one is immediately moved - without leaving a link behind - to the World News forum.


Any particular reason? Inconvenient to the Trump narrative?

Everything is a conspiracy! :rolleyes:

I see no record of this thread ever being moved, which leads me to believe you created it here in the first place.

enhanced_deficit
04-12-2017, 02:39 PM
So nice of the WH.

In other news, Iraqi & Syrian civilians + Bolivia had realeased their own coverup reports with photo evidence.

https://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/lies.jpg?w=382&h=266

dannno
04-12-2017, 02:44 PM
'Open source', lol...

George Soros' White Helmets Implicated in Syrian False Flag (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?509663-George-Soros-White-Helmets-Implicated-in-Syrian-False-Flag)

jllundqu
04-12-2017, 02:57 PM
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/04/66712.html#more-66712


MIT Rocket Scientist: White House Claims on Syria Chemical Attack “Cannot Be True”


One of the world’s leading rocket scientists, national security advisor and MIT Professor Theodore Postol, who has won awards for debunking claims about missile defense systems and has been a scientific adviser to the US Chief of Naval Operations, says today in a nine-page report that a four-page report released by the Trump administration yesterday intended to blame the recent chemical attack in Syria on the Syrian government “does not provide any evidence whatsoever that the US government has concrete knowledge that the government of Syria was the source of the chemical attack”.

Postol notes the “only source the document cites as evidence that the attack was by the Syrian government is the crater” left by a munition.

Postol located the crater via satellite and examined it himself, concluding it reveals “absolutely no evidence that the crater was created by a munition designed to disperse sarin after it is dropped from an aircraft”.

The “data cited by the White House”, he says, “is more consistent with the possibility that the munition was placed on the ground rather than dropped from a plane.” He says the evidence indicates that a tube of chemical agent was placed on the ground in the al Qaeda held area and then an explosive was placed on top of that and detonated, dispersing the chemical agent.


Trump’s claim that a chemical weapon was dropped from a plane is “erroneous”, and “no competent analyst” could avoid that conclusion.

Regarding a similar chemical attack in 2013, Postol notes the “Obama White House also issued an intelligence report containing obvious inaccuracies” (which are detailed in the report). While Obama initially blamed Assad for the attack, he received a briefing casting doubt on Assad’s guilt and, unlike Trump, refrained from launching an illegal attack at that time (though he continued illegally supporting proxy forces).

Postol notes that both the initial report blaming Assad made by the Obama White House and the one today by the Trump White House are “obviously false, misleading and amateurish” and may reflect politicization, similar, says Postol, to the way the W. Bush administration politicized ‘intelligence’ that was used to falsely claim ‘certainty’ that Saddam Husssein was stockpiling WMD in Iraq.

Award-winning journalist Robert Parry has noted evidence that Trump, like W. Bush, is simply excluding from meetings people he knows have information he doesn’t want to hear.

Postol concludes his report by noting this is a “very serious matter” and “what the country is now being told by the White House cannot be true” (emphasis in original).

Robert Parry today notes he has received reports that the chemical attack in question may have been carried out with assistance from a “Saudi-Israeli special operations base for supporting Syrian rebels” with the intention of creating “an incident that would reverse the Trump administration’s announcement in late March that it was no longer seeking the removal of President Bashar al-Assad.” Overthrowing Assad is longstanding US policy. US attempts to conquer Syria date to 1949.

Parry adds this Saudi/Israeli operation, if it is indeed what took place, has been “successful, since the Trump administration has now reversed itself and is pressing Russia to join in ousting Assad, who is getting blamed for the latest chemical-weapons incident.”

Jan2017
04-12-2017, 03:34 PM
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3553049/Syria-Chemical-Weapons-Report-White-House.pdf
Regime aircraft (Russian-built Su-22) were in the vicinity of Khan Shaykhun 20 minutes before reports of the chemical attack began.
(all around 6:55am local time)

An open source video also shows where we (US administration/intel) believe the chemical munitions landed . . .
in the middle of the street in the northern section of the city. Satellite imagery confirms the crater in the street.

My "opensource linux" IP address does seem to confirm that is true from villagers' report of the sarin detonation site . . .

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u494/81502/syria-chemical-attack02_zps7crltd8p.jpg (http://s1070.photobucket.com/user/81502/media/syria-chemical-attack02_zps7crltd8p.jpg.html)

A crater is seen at the site of an air strike, after what rescue workers described as a suspected gas attack in the town of Khan Sheikhoun
in rebel-held Idlib, Syria [Reuters]

So, a middle-of-the-street sarin canisters ground detonation - with Su-22s overhead - seems pretty likely as well, imo -
why wouldn't local al-Nusra Front just use a simple detonation using Hilly's Libya Gaddafhi leftovers routed in through Turkey
or other available sarin gas, as the Su-22 are then overhead ?

What are those concrete fragments in the street from (?) . . .
the overhead missile with a sarin warhead payload hitting the middle of an asphalt 4-inch deep pavement-looking street, or,
a plausible IED under a sealed concrete drain pipe full of sarin canisters ground-based detonation ?

Where was all that sarin on the joint airbase struck by the tomahawks hitting the ammunitions depot (?)
As it turned out, an immediate clean-up onbase with no gas exposure, and the Su-22s have an operational runway in just over 8 hours cleanup.

Zippyjuan
04-12-2017, 05:57 PM
Where was all that sarin on the joint airbase struck by the tomahawks hitting the ammunitions depot (?)
As it turned out, an immediate clean-up onbase with no gas exposure, and the Su-22s have an operational runway in just over 8 hours cleanup.

US said they avoided the area they believed the chemicals were stored to avoid releasing them. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-attack-us-trump-air-strikes-bombs-avoided-sarin-stockpile-airbase-chemical-weapons-idlib-a7672126.html


Syria attack: US 'deliberately avoided bombing sarin stockpile at Assad airbase' during Trump air strikes

A stockpile of sarin was being held at the Syrian airbase targeted by US air strikes following a chemical attack, American officials have said.

Dozens of cruise missiles were fired from two American warships stationed in the Mediterranean Sea in the early hours of Friday morning, days after more than 70 people died in a rebel-held town.

They hit Shayrat airbase in the province of Homs, killing at least six of Bashar al-Assad’s troops and destroying planes, ammunition stores and buildings.

Donald Trump’s national security adviser, Herbert “HR” McMaster, told a press conference the attack aimed to reduce the airfield’s ability to “continue mass murder attacks against Syrian civilians”.

“There were measures put in place to avoid hitting what we believe is a storage of sarin gas, so that that would not be ignited and cause a hazard to civilians or anyone else,” he said.

Rex Tillerson, the US Secretary of State, said the administration had a “very high level of confidence” that the massacre in Khan Sheikhoun was carried out by Assad’s forces using sarin, which is banned as a weapon of mass destruction under international law.

Jan2017
04-12-2017, 06:22 PM
US said they avoided the area they believed the chemicals were stored to avoid releasing them. . . .

Maybe. So, US believes the sarin is still there ?

" images of bomb craters in Khan Sheikhoun indicated small payloads,
rather than explosives of the type typically used to destroy an entire building."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-attack-us-trump-air-strikes-bombs-avoided-sarin-stockpile-airbase-chemical-weapons-idlib-a7672126.html

That is consistent with the photo images,
yet the small sarin detonation crater also doesn't seem to suggest much velocity or any angular impact, or,
have missile projectile fragments embedded into the street asphalt from any hypothetical impact from altitude.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
04-12-2017, 07:04 PM
Every other thread on this topic is worthy of staying in the US Politics forum but this one is immediately moved - without leaving a link behind - to the World News forum.


Any particular reason? Inconvenient to the Trump narrative?



They are out to get you!



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NorthCarolinaLiberty
04-12-2017, 07:08 PM
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AngryCanadian
04-12-2017, 07:30 PM
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3553049/Syria-Chemical-Weapons-Report-White-House.pdf
Regime aircraft (Russian-built Su-22) were in the vicinity of Khan Shaykhun 20 minutes before reports of the chemical attack began.
(all around 6:55am local time)

An open source video also shows where we (US administration/intel) believe the chemical munitions landed . . .
in the middle of the street in the northern section of the city. Satellite imagery confirms the crater in the street.

My "opensource linux" IP address does seem to confirm that is true from villagers' report of the sarin detonation site . . .

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u494/81502/syria-chemical-attack02_zps7crltd8p.jpg (http://s1070.photobucket.com/user/81502/media/syria-chemical-attack02_zps7crltd8p.jpg.html)

A crater is seen at the site of an air strike, after what rescue workers described as a suspected gas attack in the town of Khan Sheikhoun
in rebel-held Idlib, Syria [Reuters]

So, a middle-of-the-street sarin canisters ground detonation - with Su-22s overhead - seems pretty likely as well, imo -
why wouldn't local al-Nusra Front just use a simple detonation using Hilly's Libya Gaddafhi leftovers routed in through Turkey
or other available sarin gas, as the Su-22 are then overhead ?

What are those concrete fragments in the street from (?) . . .
the overhead missile with a sarin warhead payload hitting the middle of an asphalt 4-inch deep pavement-looking street, or,
a plausible IED under a sealed concrete drain pipe full of sarin canisters ground-based detonation ?

Where was all that sarin on the joint airbase struck by the tomahawks hitting the ammunitions depot (?)
As it turned out, an immediate clean-up onbase with no gas exposure, and the Su-22s have an operational runway in just over 8 hours cleanup.

doesn't anyone agree that the crater looks to small for a Sarin gas to be able spread? Russian bombs leave bigger crater.

Dr.3D
04-12-2017, 07:49 PM
doesn't anyone agree that the crater looks to small for a Sarin gas to be able spread? Russian bombs leave bigger crater.
It's a gas, it is spread by the wind.

The whole story about Assad doing it is a steaming pile of bull shit.

AngryCanadian
04-12-2017, 07:57 PM
It's a gas, it is spread by the wind.

The whole story about Assad doing it is a steaming pile of bull $#@!.
Still the bomb crater looks way to small to come from a plane.

Dr.3D
04-12-2017, 08:00 PM
Still the bomb crater looks way to small to come from a plane.

It probably didn't come from a plane. I don't see any angle of when it hit.

Jan2017
04-12-2017, 08:03 PM
doesn't anyone agree that the crater looks to small for a Sarin gas to be able spread? Russian bombs leave bigger crater.

If this occurred as US "asserts" is correct,
it could very well be the very first instance of any air-to-surface missile delivery of a sarin-weaponized warhead payload, as I understand.
And maybe surprising . . . it seems there is not much of anything left of any of the alleged Russian missile at all.
Those concrete fragments are from where ? There was some sort of explosion detonated, but from ground, or, originally came in from air ?

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u494/81502/syriasarinsite03a_zpsopi4bnju.jpg (http://s1070.photobucket.com/user/81502/media/syriasarinsite03a_zpsopi4bnju.jpg.html)


It only takes a couple gallons of sarin in warhead . . . doesn't have to be any sophisticated re-distilled high-purity sarin either.
35% purity would still be dangerous enough.

The 2013 Ghouta, Syria sarin attack was high-purity from surface-to-surface missiles -
with a missle range reported to be on the order of 20 miles - initial reports were around 1,000 deaths (?)

The British UN Ambassador stated that the UN reports lead author Åke Sellström said the quality of the sarin used in the Ghouta attack
was higher than that used by Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war, implying a purity higher than the Iraqi chemical weapons program's low purity of 45-60%

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u494/81502/ghoutasarinmissle02_zpslfmonkqt.jpg (http://s1070.photobucket.com/user/81502/media/ghoutasarinmissle02_zpslfmonkqt.jpg.html)


http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u494/81502/ghoutasarinmissile04_zpsdxfzje5v.jpg (http://s1070.photobucket.com/user/81502/media/ghoutasarinmissile04_zpsdxfzje5v.jpg.html)

AngryCanadian
04-12-2017, 10:51 PM
If this occurred as US "asserts" is correct,
it could very well be the very first instance of any air-to-surface missile delivery of a sarin-weaponized warhead payload, as I understand.
And maybe surprising . . . it seems there is not much of anything left of any of the alleged Russian missile at all.
Those concrete fragments are from where ? There was some sort of explosion detonated, but from ground, or, originally came in from air ?

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u494/81502/syriasarinsite03a_zpsopi4bnju.jpg (http://s1070.photobucket.com/user/81502/media/syriasarinsite03a_zpsopi4bnju.jpg.html)


It only takes a couple gallons of sarin in warhead . . . doesn't have to be any sophisticated re-distilled high-purity sarin either.
35% purity would still be dangerous enough.

The 2013 Ghouta, Syria sarin attack was high-purity from surface-to-surface missiles -
with a missle range reported to be on the order of 20 miles - initial reports were around 1,000 deaths (?)

The British UN Ambassador stated that the UN reports lead author Åke Sellström said the quality of the sarin used in the Ghouta attack
was higher than that used by Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war, implying a purity higher than the Iraqi chemical weapons program's low purity of 45-60%

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u494/81502/ghoutasarinmissle02_zpslfmonkqt.jpg (http://s1070.photobucket.com/user/81502/media/ghoutasarinmissle02_zpslfmonkqt.jpg.html)


http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u494/81502/ghoutasarinmissile04_zpsdxfzje5v.jpg (http://s1070.photobucket.com/user/81502/media/ghoutasarinmissile04_zpsdxfzje5v.jpg.html)

If it came from the air where are the missile/bomb fragments? fragments dont simply vanish.

AngryCanadian
04-12-2017, 10:53 PM
Also that city looked half empty from previous fighting's, were those in the video kidnapped civilians?

Jan2017
04-13-2017, 06:27 AM
If it came from the air where are the missile/bomb fragments? fragments dont simply vanish.
The UN needs a contaminated soil sample, the whole world can agree on that before President Pee Party Trump breaks USA and international law.

Jan2017
04-13-2017, 06:29 AM
http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/ghouta4b_zpsrps0dffw.jpg (http://s372.photobucket.com/user/sunblush/media/ghouta4b_zpsrps0dffw.jpg.html)[/I
Surface-to-surface sarin missile launchers (circa 2013)

Below could be "close" (?)

Villagers reported a series on that day of explosions, at least some definite time lapse of attacks.
as second wave of attack was while sick and dead from low-purity sarin being taken to graves and hospital.

US sees that evidence of time difference definitely/apparently by satellite I guess confirmed by using OP pdf -
I*'ll keep in mind that some elements of truth there are still not gonna be enough to break USA and international law
with a hot-headed decision and now a nother UN ambassador with her very own "Colin Powell" moment.

Bolivia mocks the USA.
----------------------------------------------------

Concrete fragments don't look like just old garbage in the street - local villagers would know since they use that town square area
for their emergency bulletin board that survivors were going to the next day.

Surface-to-surface sarin missiles previously verified as "in" Syria -
yep, no doubt, but who the effin' has them is anyone's guess (?)

A 20 mile range for a surface-to-surface sarin missile is alot of fuel needed to make it to target,
surface-to-surface sarin missile used up the fuel in the 2013 sarin attacks in Syria - there tail sections have some interesting parts,
unique to sarin missiles as used in surface-to-surface weapon delivery system known already in use.

al-Nusra Front getting fired on by Syrian-piloted Su-22 fighter (or fighters) on a recon sortie (for the attack 5 hours later . . .)

al-Nusra Front/al-Queda miltants are gonna fire whatever they have at a close enough range -
they ain't gonna care if they miss with a leftover Syrian or Libyian origin sarin surface-to-surface missile.

So close . . . that there is plenty fuel on the errant surface-to-surface missile when it hits ground - distinctive tail features blown off.

or, Russia has weaponized the Su-22 to fire the first air-to-surface sarin weaponized missile -
but why such low-purity sarin used Vlad ? A "measured" response ordered by Assad that was needed against the Syrian civilians ?
Or just decided to use up the last two gallons of sarin at the Sharat airfield for this . . . "one-er" boner ?

AZJoe
04-13-2017, 07:02 AM
Here's the report summary, literally:

Saddam Gaddafi Assad did it. Our intelligence says so. Trust us. We don't need no stinkin evidence, and we completely ignore all contravening evidence.

Ender
04-13-2017, 07:06 AM
Here's the report summary, literally:

Saddam Assad did it. Our intelligence says so. Trust us. We don't need not stinkin evidence, and we completely ignore all contravening evidence.

LOL


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqomZQMZQCQ

Jan2017
04-13-2017, 01:47 PM
The UN needs a contaminated soil sample, the whole world can agree on that before President Pee Party Trump breaks USA and international law.

President Duhnald Trump I am sure will facilitate the UN "blue helmets" in Syria and is clearing the path for them right now . . .
probably as we speak even.

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/ghoutaweapons_inspector01bcd_zpseirdwyjs.jpg (http://s372.photobucket.com/user/sunblush/media/ghoutaweapons_inspector01bcd_zpseirdwyjs.jpg.html)
UN Weapons inspectors arrive in Ghota, Syria after sarin attack in 2013

Ooops, nvm. Rinse Pubis says he's busy right now . . .

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/icons/icon4.png Largest non nuclear bomb ever used in combat dropped in Afghanistan this morning

Jan2017
04-14-2017, 01:25 PM
Also that city looked half empty from previous fighting's, were those in the video kidnapped civilians?

Doubtful, for the photographer of this photo - I do not know exactly who took this .jpg that accompanied the villagers' accounts story - I guess Reuters would.

Their accounts were that this is the corner where the chemical came . . .
a local shepherd was reported as explaining he was up early walking his sheep in the morning, and, another walking who came up on a dead cousin on his way here.

http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah180/81501/bolivia14a_zpspttfsahz.jpg (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/81501/media/bolivia14a_zpspttfsahz.jpg.html%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah180/81501/bolivia14a_zpspttfsahz.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL)

Jan2017
04-14-2017, 01:39 PM
EVEN IF . . . the USA produces a satellite photo of an Su-22 with an explosion below from the site of verified gas release in the road . . .

with al-Nusra Front heading down the road out of town with a single sarin missile left - they'd use it . . .
especially after alerted or first seeing the Su22s were on the way from Sharat.

btw, None of these were supposed to be in Syria at all by anyone - Marco Rubio : "but Russia promised there were none left"


http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah180/81501/bolivia06x_zpsmd7dvog7.jpg (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/81501/media/bolivia06x_zpsmd7dvog7.jpg.html)