Trump Pushes Back Against Neocon Plan to Invade Syria

[dannno]

White House Source: Trump Pushes Back Against Neo-Con Plan to Invade SyriaTroops massing as deep state plots regime change Paul Joseph Watson (https://www.infowars.com/author/paul-joseph-watson/) | Infowars.com - April 10, 2017


The Trump administration is currently locked in a heated debate over whether to launch a full ground invasion of Syria, with hundreds of thousands of soldiers now massing.


According to White House sources who spoke to Infowars, Trump is reticent to see U.S. troops embroiled in yet another Middle East quagmire, but is under pressure from top neo-cons in his administration to prevent Russia from dominating the region as the fall of ISIS nears.

Trump has refused to agree to a no fly zone over Syria and does not want to directly attack Assad’s forces in Damascus. However, Assad is apparently backing away from a deal he made with the Pentagon four years ago to step down from power in order to prevent a U.S. military bombardment that Obama pushed for back in 2013.

The air strike ordered by Trump was apparently a reminder to Assad of the deal he struck to step down once jihadists had been defeated.

Troop numbers are now being massively escalated in western Iraq to reinforce this message, including the 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit, to back up and cover the flank for U.S. Army ground forces in case of possible attack by Assad.

Trump’s response to the alleged chemical weapons attack allowed him to look decisive and was a show of strength towards China and North Korea. It also served to temporarily silence the repeated accusations that he is in collusion with Russia.

Trump’s aim with the air strike was to destroy Syria’s remaining chemical weapons to make Assad follow through on the deal. If he didn’t act, Trump would have been eviscerated by his critics as being equally as weak as Obama.

However, increasingly prominent neo-cons within the administration, led by National Security Adviser H. R. McMaster, are exploiting the circumstances to maneuver Trump into a position where he is pressured into green lighting a full scale ground war, an attack on Damascus and a confrontation with Russia.

If Trump allows himself to be manipulated in this way, it will undoubtedly destroy his presidency and leave him with a legacy on a par with George W. Bush.

As Mike Cernovich’s sources confirm (https://medium.com/@Cernovich/h-r-mcmaster-manipulating-intelligence-reports-to-trump-wants-150-000-ground-soldiers-in-syria-83346c433e99), “McMaster is manipulating intelligence reports given to President Donald Trump” and is “plotting how to sell a massive ground war in Syria to President Trump with the help of disgraced former CIA director and convicted criminal David Petraeus.”

Trump sees resolving the Syrian civil war as imperative because Syria is a gateway into Turkey, whose Islamist government is exploiting the chaos to exacerbate the refugee crisis and force Europe into capitulation to Muslim colonization.

However, if neo-cons are able to assert their power and silence nationalist voices within the Trump administration like Steve Bannon, who opposes regime change in Syria, the consequences of toppling Assad will be completely disastrous for both Trump and the entire region.

https://www.infowars.com/trump-pushes-back-against-neo-con-plan-to-invade-syria/

[CPUd]

Legit

[timosman]

Trump read his twitter feed for the first time?

[dannno]

Legit

Like your election polling :rolleyes:

[dannno]

Trump read his twitter feed for the first time?

..first time in a couple months probably

[AuH20]

So many mixed messages, but with McMaster as the prime conduit for real-time intel, I'm not encouraged.

[CPUd]

Will he be able to convince Jared and Ivanka?

[timosman]

Will he be able to convince Jared and Ivanka?

This could end up in a divorce.:cool:

[phill4paul]

The air strike ordered by Trump was apparently a reminder to Assad of the deal he struck to step down once jihadists had been defeated

Oh, THAT was the reason. See I thought it was because of his daughter. Or Jared. Or ................the children.

[dannno]

Oh, THAT was the reason. See I thought it was because of his daughter. Or Jared. Or ................the children.

Yes, it is impossible for things to have multiple reasons.

[phill4paul]

Yes, it is impossible for things to have multiple reasons.

Could you work me up with a celestial chart explaining it?

[Brian4Liberty]

Trump’s response to the alleged chemical weapons attack allowed him to look decisive and was a show of strength towards China and North Korea. It also served to temporarily silence the repeated accusations that he is in collusion with Russia.

None of which are legal, moral or valid justifications.

[dannno]

None of which are legal, moral or valid justifications.

If it leads to peace, then it is HIGHLY preferable to the alternative, deep state route.

[parocks]

Fire McMaster!

Shouldn't Trump realize that what he needs to do right now with his foreign policy team is a hard reset, the point of this story is what, Trump has conflicts with his own employees who he hired. Now, he has saboteurs in the CIA who he doesn't know about, and his hand picked people apparently aren't doing what he wants. Get rid of them. Get the old ones back, get Bannon back and the one who just quit and get rid of McMaster and his allies.

Trump should know what's going on here, if what we're hearing is accurate, neocon snake weasels taking over the foreign policy. We don't want that. We'll take the ones that everyone calls nazis. They don't seem to like the war as much.

[dannno]

Fire McMaster!

Shouldn't Trump realize that what he needs to do right now with his foreign policy team is a hard reset, the point of this story is what, Trump has conflicts with his own employees who he hired. Now, he has saboteurs in the CIA who he doesn't know about, and his hand picked people apparently aren't doing what he wants. Get rid of them. Get the old ones back, get Bannon back and the one who just quit and get rid of McMaster and his allies.

Trump should know what's going on here, if what we're hearing is accurate, neocon snake weasels taking over the foreign policy. We don't want that. We'll take the ones that everyone calls nazis. They don't seem to like the war as much.

I would love to see Trump go on a firing spree, they should film it like on The Apprentice. So far it has been other people in his administration who have been behind getting rid of some of his better picks. I would think that stopping that cold would be Trump's best option, but he may be thinking of something else. Hopefully it involves getting rid of most of these people.

[TheCount]

Oooh now his supporters can convince themselves that Trump really is anti-interventionist because yeah he spent $100 mill in missiles hitting a Syrian airfield, but at least he didn't do more. Double bonus Trumpkin points if you include "and Hillary would have done done more" at the end of the justification.

[CPUd]

Fire McMaster!

Shouldn't Trump realize that what he needs to do right now with his foreign policy team is a hard reset, the point of this story is what, Trump has conflicts with his own employees who he hired. Now, he has saboteurs in the CIA who he doesn't know about, and his hand picked people apparently aren't doing what he wants. Get rid of them. Get the old ones back, get Bannon back and the one who just quit and get rid of McMaster and his allies.

Trump should know what's going on here, if what we're hearing is accurate, neocon snake weasels taking over the foreign policy. We don't want that. We'll take the ones that everyone calls nazis. They don't seem to like the war as much.

Why would he want to get rid of these guys when everyone who used to be mean to him are now going on the shows masturbating to his missile videos? And out of all those missiles fired, he didn't really do much damage, probably just some empty oil drums and decommissioned planes got hit. If they were truly doing damage, wouldn't Jared and the military generals back out instead of sending more weapons there?

[ghengis86]

If it leads to peace, then it is HIGHLY preferable to the alternative, deep state route.

I disagree with that premise. And it sounds like wishful thinking. I really, really, REALLY want you to be right, I really do. Some fucking 37D chess. And I'll eat my hat and post the video if you're right. But seriously man, come on. This screams "new boss, same as the old boss". Even if we got "our guy" in, they are fallible, corruptible, humans. It's the system that's fucked. This should be clear by now, especially with Trump.

Again, hope you're right, but reality says otherwise. Cheers.

[phill4paul]

If it leads to peace, then it is HIGHLY preferable to the alternative, deep state route.

There is no peace in the middle-east. Only thing that matters is if America wastes blood and treasure trying to create that which is unattainable.

[dannno]

There is no peace in the middle-east. Only thing that matters is if America wastes blood and treasure trying to create that which is unattainable.

Ya it would help if we didn't arm them too.

[phill4paul]

Ya it would help if we didn't arm them too.

Ya. It would.

[AuH20]

Fire McMaster!

Shouldn't Trump realize that what he needs to do right now with his foreign policy team is a hard reset, the point of this story is what, Trump has conflicts with his own employees who he hired. Now, he has saboteurs in the CIA who he doesn't know about, and his hand picked people apparently aren't doing what he wants. Get rid of them. Get the old ones back, get Bannon back and the one who just quit and get rid of McMaster and his allies.

Trump should know what's going on here, if what we're hearing is accurate, neocon snake weasels taking over the foreign policy. We don't want that. We'll take the ones that everyone calls nazis. They don't seem to like the war as much.

I have a strong suspicion that Pence and Cotton forced McMaster on Trump because he's not too shrewd on potential employee research. It's already been confirmed that Cotton personally recommended him to the POTUS.

[parocks]

Why would he want to get rid of these guys when everyone who used to be mean to him are now going on the shows masturbating to his missile videos? And out of all those missiles fired, he didn't really do much damage, probably just some empty oil drums and decommissioned planes got hit. If they were truly doing damage, wouldn't Jared and the military generals back out instead of sending more weapons there?

Well, those people who used to be mean to him aren't voting for him. They just are forcing Trump to do what they want. Trump may (or may not) lose support from the people who actually voted him, and he might want to avoid losing.

Fire McMaster. It's an easy solution. It might not be a real solution, but it's an easy one to explain. We don't like the policy, we can blame it on McMaster. Get rid of that specific neocon guy we don't like, replace with someone who isn't a neocon.

[merkelstan]

"The war agenda is going ahead with or without you, Mr. Trump. The only decision you have is whether you want to stay the President of the USA"

[CPUd]

Well, those people who used to be mean to him aren't voting for him. They just are forcing Trump to do what they want. Trump may (or may not) lose support from the people who actually voted him, and he might want to avoid losing.

Fire McMaster. It's an easy solution. It might not be a real solution, but it's an easy one to explain. We don't like the policy, we can blame it on McMaster. Get rid of that specific neocon guy we don't like, replace with someone who isn't a neocon.

Well he doesn't need votes from the commoners right now, he needs votes from the Congress for his trillion dollar infrastructure and historic military buildup and we don't even know if he runs for a second term, though he's raising money for it anyway. By 2020 people will have forgotten all about this nasty stuff and will vote for the candidate who will protect them from the terrorists and globalist antifa protesters.

[Origanalist]

This is pathetic.

[timosman]

"The war agenda is going ahead with or without you, Mr. Trump. The only decision you have is whether you want to stay the President of the USA"

Would they be so mean to him?:cool:

[TheCount]

"The war agenda is going ahead with or without you, Mr. Trump. The only decision you have is whether you want to stay the President of the USA"Are all of these blog posts and infowars articles just Trump fan fiction?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Are all of these blog posts and infowars articles just Trump fan fiction?


Are all of your posts liberal and social justice warrior fan fiction?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Oooh now his supporters can convince themselves that Trump really is anti-interventionist because yeah he spent $100 mill in missiles hitting a Syrian airfield, but at least he didn't do more. Double bonus Trumpkin points if you include "and Hillary would have done done more" at the end of the justification.



Still butt hurt because your boy Hillary lost?

[timosman]

Still butt hurt because your boy Hillary lost?

Please do not be so mean to him. He is a valuable member of the forum.

[dannno]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1zQQzZmuZk[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1zQQzZmuZk

[RJ Liberty]

I'm so glad this video has been widely distributed across all forms of media. Still, I keep seeing MSM outlets stating these thugs "were forced to remove" the "non-compliant" passenger, and that United has the right to refuse boarding. But both statements are false: United can refuse to let a passenger board the plane, but the passenger had already boarded. United could have upped the amount for a raincheck booking and they would have avoided the bad press that will now likely cost them millions in lost revenue and PR damage control.

[timosman]

This was already posted yesterday. What's up with the guy's hair?:cool:

[jmdrake]

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https://www.infowars.com/trump-pushes-back-against-neo-con-plan-to-invade-syria/

LOL. This is rich. So Paul Joseph Watson is back on the Trump train. I guess he figured he couldn't make it on his own without Alex Jones like Joe Biggs. :rolleyes:

The polling on this is obvious and Trump is all about the polling. The American people are all "Ewe Ess Aye" for throwing around a few cruise missiles but not up for a ground war. Trump is Clinton's protege' and Clinton fought the Bosnian war entirely as an air war. Obama fought the Libya war entirely as an air war. Air war = low U.S. casualties = higher public support.

Edit: ROFLMAO!

Paul Joseph Watson wrote this B.S.?

The air strike ordered by Trump was apparently a reminder to Assad of the deal he struck to step down once jihadists had been defeated.

Troop numbers are now being massively escalated in western Iraq to reinforce this message, including the 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit, to back up and cover the flank for U.S. Army ground forces in case of possible attack by Assad.

Trump’s response to the alleged chemical weapons attack allowed him to look decisive and was a show of strength towards China and North Korea. It also served to temporarily silence the repeated accusations that he is in collusion with Russia.

Trump’s aim with the air strike was to destroy Syria’s remaining chemical weapons to make Assad follow through on the deal. If he didn’t act, Trump would have been eviscerated by his critics as being equally as weak as Obama.

Okay. So does he now believe the chemical weapons attack was "real" or "false flag?" If he thinks it's false flag, then why is he sure that Assad still has chemical weapons? If he thinks it's real then why does he call it an "alleged" attack? And what evidence of Paul Joseph Watson have of Assad's chemical weapons? And why does PJW apparently think that Assad needs to go? Why does Trump apparently think Assad needs to go?

[jmdrake]

Like your election polling :rolleyes:

Dannno, serious questions. Why does Assad need to go? What evidence does Paul Joseph Watson, or Donald Trump have that Assad still has his chemical weapons stockpiles? Does PJW now accept the mainstream media narrative that the chemical attack was "real" as opposed to false flag? If it is false flag, then what's the basis for PJW saying that Assad hasn't gotten rid of his chemical weapons? If it is real, then why is PJW calling it an "alleged" attack? This sounds like a lot of BS and CYA spinning by infowars.com.

[Origanalist]

Dannno, serious questions. .

Why?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Please do not be so mean to him. He is a valuable member of the forum.


I'm sorry; I will try to do better.



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[Origanalist]

Are Mordan and dannno the same poster? Serious question.

[timosman]

Are Mordan and dannno the same poster? Serious question.

The mods know that but do not act against sock puppet accounts.

[Origanalist]

The mods know that but do not act against sock puppet accounts.

Some they do, some they don't. Maybe it's a alphabetical order thing.

[timosman]

Some they do, some they don't. Maybe it's a alphabetical order thing.

Yeah, the active member list is very long. About 200 last time I checked.:rolleyes:

[dannno]

Dannno, serious questions. Why does Assad need to go? What evidence does Paul Joseph Watson, or Donald Trump have that Assad still has his chemical weapons stockpiles? Does PJW now accept the mainstream media narrative that the chemical attack was "real" as opposed to false flag? If it is false flag, then what's the basis for PJW saying that Assad hasn't gotten rid of his chemical weapons? If it is real, then why is PJW calling it an "alleged" attack? This sounds like a lot of BS and CYA spinning by infowars.com.

Bill Mitchell wasn't arguing for regime change, he was arguing for the attack. That comes out more in the debate with Stefan Molyneux.

So Stef debates Bill Mitchell later in the day, and focuses more on the future of America's role. Stef shuts him down a few times, it was pretty good.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrVvTdJLB4g

[timosman]

Assad needs to go. He made a deal with the devil and the devil wants what belongs to him. We are just enforcing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0zzbxEZKdQ

[jmdrake]

Bill Mitchell wasn't arguing for regime change, he was arguing for the attack. That comes out more in the debate with Stefan Molyneux.

So Stef debates Bill Mitchell later in the day, and focuses more on the future of America's role. Stef shuts him down a few times, it was pretty good.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrVvTdJLB4g

You apparently didn't read your own propaganda.

The air strike ordered by Trump was apparently a reminder to Assad of the deal he struck to step down once jihadists had been defeated.

[jmdrake]

Assad needs to go. He made a deal with the devil and the devil wants what belongs to him. We are just enforcing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0zzbxEZKdQ

And the reason we need to be the devil's enforcer is because....?

[dannno]

You apparently didn't read your own propaganda.

The air strike ordered by Trump was apparently a reminder to Assad of the deal he struck to step down once jihadists had been defeated.

Again, Bill Mitchell argues several times against regime change, he doesn't think it will work, you can watch the debates or not it is up to you... but posting quotes that merely insinuate something that isn't true isn't going to work here. The article in the OP is not advocating regime change either, it is just stating an alleged fact.

[dannno]

And the reason we need to be the devil's enforcer is because....?

Ya, that's what the Stef/Bill Mitchell debate comes down to, it's worth the watch, especially for people who think Stef is some kind of war monger because while PJW may have made a half decent case Stef really digs in and goes after him throughout the entire hour and 16 minutes pretty hard.

[timosman]

Ya, that's what the Stef/Bill Mitchell debate comes down to, it's worth the watch, especially for people who think Stef is some kind of war monger because while PJW may have made a half decent case Stef really digs in and goes after him throughout the entire hour and 16 minutes pretty hard.

Give us the low down because nobody can sit through an hour and 16 minutes long video of these two. So what do you have Dannno? Or is it just your imagination and you really have it for Steph?:cool:

[shakey1]

Destabilizing Syria = aiding jihadists... not rocket science. Syria is not a threat to the US. Why go there?

[timosman]

Destabilizing Syria = aiding jihadists... not rocket science. Syria is not a threat to the US. Why go there?

I hear the weather is nice plus these guys asked us very politely:

http://images.politico.com/global/2015/01/27/150127_sauditrip9_ap.jpg

[phill4paul]

Give us the low down because nobody can sit through an hour and 16 minutes long video of these two. So what do you have Dannno? Or is it just your imagination and you really have it for Steph?:cool:

..


Ya,. pretty hard.

[dannno]

Give us the low down because nobody can sit through an hour and 16 minutes long video of these two. So what do you have Dannno? Or is it just your imagination and you really have it for Steph?:cool:

It's a great debate, well worth the watch. It's good to hear Bill Mitchell's side as well, if people want to have an intelligent discussion on the subject, even if he is wrong.

It's not my fault if you are too intellectually lazy to listen to Stef. Maybe you should work on that.

[Ender]

And the reason we need to be the devil's enforcer is because....?

We are the devil.......

[timosman]

It's a great debate, well worth the watch. It's good to hear Bill Mitchell's side as well, if people want to have an intelligent discussion on the subject, even if he is wrong.

It's not my fault if you are too intellectually lazy to listen to Stef. Maybe you should work on that.

All right. We need to hear no more about you and Stef.:cool:

[timosman]

We are the devil.......

Not all of us. Some of us only worship the devil. Some of us only pretend to worship. This is all very nuanced and shit.:cool:

[undergroundrr]

PJW. From "off the trump train" back to trump apologist in 2 days.

trumpies realize there's no one else on earth gonna build em that wall. If WWIII is the trade-off, what of it?

[timosman]

PJW. From "off the trump train" back to trump apologist in 2 days.

trumpies realize there's no one else on earth gonna build em that wall. If WWIII is the trade-off, what of it?

Trump knew his bitches well. They have nowhere else to go.

[kcchiefs6465]

I'm sorry; I will try to do better.



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The way you disrupt conversation, it wouldn't surprise anyone paying attention if it was a good cop/bad cop routine. Could you shut the fuck up for a few months?

[timosman]

The way you disrupt conversation, it wouldn't surprise anyone paying attention if it was a good cop/bad cop routine. Could you shut the fuck up for a few months?

I can assure you he will not infringe on your right to be offended. :cool:

[acptulsa]

Still butt hurt because your boy Hillary lost?

How long are you Party Matters Trolls going to keep trying to convince people that there's any difference at all between One Worlder Clinton and her longtime buddy One Worlder Trump?

[Mordan]

Could you work me up with a celestial chart explaining it?

danno answer pinned you down. just own your sarcastic mistake.

[acptulsa]

danno answer pinned you down. just own your sarcastic mistake.

Found 'he killed children to remind the guy they had a deal--and to make his daughter happy too' a compelling argument, did you?

And I suppose you find it equally compelling when he says, 'It's your own fault the brainwashing isn't convincing you--work harder at it'?


It's a great debate, well worth the watch. It's good to hear Bill Mitchell's side as well, if people want to have an intelligent discussion on the subject, even if he is wrong.

It's not my fault if you are too intellectually lazy to listen to Stef. Maybe you should work on that.

[Natural Citizen]

Hey, acptulsa. How you been? Good to see you around again, man.

[tod evans]

It's not my fault if you are too intellectually lazy to listen to Stef. Maybe you should work on that.

I get about 90 seconds of his Canadian/condescending tone into my feeble head and I'm ready to go ballistic....

The guy grates on me on a cellular level...

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

The way you disrupt conversation, it wouldn't surprise anyone paying attention if it was a good cop/bad cop routine. Could you shut the fuck up for a few months?


I'm not the one disrupting the conversation, chief. Could you try to pay attention and not be so wrapped up in yourself?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

How long are you Party Matters Trolls going to keep trying to convince people that there's any difference at all between One Worlder Clinton and her longtime buddy One Worlder Trump?


As long as the clueless members here keep trying to convince others that someone who is anti-Donny is necessarily liberty minded.

[Pizzo]

As long as the clueless members here keep trying to convince others that someone who is anti-Donny is necessarily liberty minded.

And the pro-Donny ones are?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

And the pro-Donny ones are?


Those people are not shilling on this site.

[Pizzo]

Those people are not shilling on this site.

Ha!

[undergroundrr]

Those people are not shilling on this site.

Satire account.

[TheCount]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yfAeMtcURg0/hqdefault.jpg

There are no Trump supporters on RPF.

[acptulsa]

As long as the clueless members here keep trying to convince others that someone who is anti-Donny is necessarily liberty minded.

Got proof?

Don't tell me to read your signature. You accused him of saying, 'If not A then B.' I agree that's untrue. I know people who did not support Trump because they would (and did!) vote for Be'ezelbub in Drag if that meant they could say they saw a woman sworn in as president before they died. Clearly supporting liberty was not a major motivation for these people. So, 'If not A then B' is a lie.

But did the Count say that? In your signature, you quote him as saying, 'If A, then not B.' To state, 'If A, then not B,' is not at all the same as stating, 'If not A, then B.' In fact, I happen to agree that 'If A, then not B' is true. And truth be known, all of those who supported Trump seem to have realized they were not supporting liberty, except those who, like dannno and Mordan, are 110% Reality Resistant.

So, if you are saying that the Count is a liar because he says, 'If not A, then B,' and he has never said that at all, then who's the liar? If you are saying he believes 'If not A, then B' because he actually said, 'If A then not B,' then who is misleading people?

Got a mirror?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yfAeMtcURg0/hqdefault.jpg

There are no Trump supporters on RPF.





There are no shills and Hillary supporters on RPF.


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[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Got proof?




It's not called proof. Proof is the domain of mathematics.

Either way, you sure changed your tune. You were one of the lead people criticizing these trolls a year (or so) ago. What in the world happened to you? I have to say that I'm surprised. Should I be?

[acptulsa]

It's not called proof. Proof is the domain of mathematics.

Either way, you sure changed your tune. You were one of the lead people criticizing these trolls a year (or so) ago. What in the world happened to you? I have to say that I'm surprised. Should I be?

It's called proof by every lawyer, judge and jury in the English speaking world. Only kangaroo courts and lynch mobs consider it irrelevant to anyone who isn't a mathematician.

And hounding the Count is your game. It was never mine. I can't say I've never disagreed with him. But putting words in his mouth so I had an excuse to hound him was never my style.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

It's called proof by every lawyer, judge and jury in the English speaking world.

No.




And hounding the Count is your game.

Well, boo hoo. I don't see the hound dog crying about his own game. Only you. But you sure changed your tune. Bet I can guess why.

[undergroundrr]

Bet I can guess why.

I'm honestly curious why you think that might be. Feel free to PM. I'm sincerely curious.

[acptulsa]

Well, boo hoo. I don't see the hound dog crying about his own game. Only you. But you sure changed your tune. Bet I can guess why.

Or maybe you couldn't name 'my tune' if it bit you in the ass.

The powers that be divide and conquer us by convincing us that voting for the lesser of two evils is worthwhile. They pit us at each others' throats fighting over alleged minor differences between their puppets so we'll vote for one of their puppets. If they couldn't fool us into thinking there's enough difference between their puppets to make one worth getting mad at and voting against, we might be able to think clearly enough to vote against both of them.

You're way behind. The season for ripping each other's throats out over which evil might be the lesser evil is over. Now is the time for us to wake up to the terrible morning after, and realize that the evil we elected is absolutely identical to the evil we didn't elect. Different puppet, same hand up its ass.

When are you going to catch up?


I'm honestly curious why you think that might be. Feel free to PM. I'm sincerely curious.

Witch hunters never answer that question. They know they're better off leaving it up to your imagination.

[timosman]

There are no shills and Hillary supporters on RPF.


I dunno. She had a pretty solid budget and a very tight control on the messaging.

[dannno]

like dannno and Mordan, are 110% Reality Resistant.


If you can't see the deep state is against Trump, then you are the one who has reality issues. Did you notice they have largely dropped the whole Russia Trump conspiracy? They were trying to ruin Trump with that, it is a lie, and now he turned it against them.

The neocons are pretending to like him now, after the Syria attack, and that was a genius move that will ultimately increase Trump's public perception, but they are not friends of his.

[jllundqu]

I get about 90 seconds of his Canadian/condescending tone into my feeble head and I'm ready to go ballistic....

The guy grates on me on a cellular level...

Stefan is a huckster and a liar... and a weird one at that. Some weak minded people fall victim to the cult-style mentality that surrounds him and they will defend their bias at all costs. They LOOOOOOVE to 'virtue signal' their 'superiority' as in the quote you were responding to rather than act and speak on their own merits and actions. Interesting to witness from the rafters...

[Ender]

Those people are not shilling on this site.

Are you blinkin' serious? :confused:

[dannno]

The powers that be divide and conquer us by convincing us that voting for the lesser of two evils is worthwhile.

But rarely do they put their entire credibility on the line to attack one candidate, while propping up another, and lose.

I've been in the anti-lesser of two evils camp my entire life. It came natural to me, when I was as young as 7 or 8 years old and Bush Sr. was running for his first time.

Unless this is an elaborate hoax, I'm not buying that this election was the same as the ones before. They could have gotten their person of choice or someone at least acceptable in without destroying the credibility of their own propaganda piece.

Sorry, but you are making this way too simplistic when it is actually a lot more complicated.

[dannno]

Are you blinkin' serious? :confused:

If the deep state wanted Trump as President, it would have been completely retarded to come up with a crazy hoax where there is a huge conspiracy among the media to totally discredit themselves, just to get him elected. They have easier ways of doing this stuff.

Sorry, but you, knowingly or unknowingly, are tool of the deep state... NOT for promoting what Ron Paul or some actual liberty proponent says criticizing Trump, you are a tool of the deep state for promoting the shills on here who were posting BS stories about Trump being a Russian agent and about Russian hacking while Ron Paul was dismissing all that as total BS.. Your problem is that you couldn't see where Ron Paul and the shills on here were parting ways, and why that was way more important than where Ron Paul and Trump part ways.

[Ender]

But rarely do they put their entire credibility on the line to attack one candidate, while propping up another, and lose.

I've been in the anti-lesser of two evils camp my entire life. It came natural to me, when I was as young as 7 or 8 years old and Bush Sr. was running for his first time.

Unless this is an elaborate hoax, I'm not buying that this election was the same as the ones before. They could have gotten their person of choice or someone at least acceptable in without destroying the credibility of their own propaganda piece.

Sorry, but you are making this way too simplistic when it is actually a lot more complicated.

No, YOU are making it too simple.

The MSM USED PR to prop the Donald up and help him win. He would never have gotten anywhere w/o them.

It doesn't matter if it was negative or positive- news is news and as long as you are on the front page, that's all that matters. Trump knows this and so does the MSM. They used this ploy to get Trump elected. If they had not wanted him POTUS he would have become He Who Shall Not Be Named- just like a guy called Ron Paul.

[dannno]

The MSM USED PR to prop the Donald up and help him win. He would never have gotten anywhere w/o them.


They didn't need Donald Trump to win. They didn't need to put their credibility on the line. They have plenty of shills. Hillary, Jeb, Rubio, all highly acceptable to the deep state. Your argument makes zero sense.

[AuH20]

No, YOU are making it too simple.

The MSM USED PR to prop the Donald up and help him win. He would never have gotten anywhere w/o them.

It doesn't matter if it was negative or positive- news is news and as long as you are on the front page, that's all that matters. Trump knows this and so does the MSM. They used this ploy to get Trump elected. If they had not wanted him POTUS he would have become He Who Shall Not Be Named- just like a guy called Ron Paul.

The MSM USED PR to prop the Donald up in the Primary and help him win Hillary win. The Donald detractors have to be nuts to think that the Uniparty wanted Trump to win after what transpired in the GE.

[acptulsa]

Unless this is an elaborate hoax, I'm not buying that this election was the same as the ones before. They could have gotten their person of choice or someone at least acceptable in without destroying the credibility of their own propaganda piece.

Sorry, but you are making this way too simplistic when it is actually a lot more complicated.

Who is?

Their propaganda machine was at the lowest ebb of credibility it had seen in a hundred years. That was going in to this election. There was nothing left to destroy.

You are the one making it more complicated than it is. That propaganda machine is their tool. It is a means to their ends. It is not the ends themselves.

If a mechanic breaks his wrench, he will turn around and use that broken wrench as a hammer. Why would he not? It's his tool, and if he can get some use out of it, he will. The only reason not to use a wrench as a hammer is you might break it, and then it won't be useful as a wrench any more. If it's already useless as a wrench, the mechanic will wield it as a hammer in a heartbeat. Likewise, if a propaganda machine is not swaying people to do as it says, but moving people to do just the opposite, they will use that propaganda machine for reverse psychology. Wouldn't you? If you were using your voice to tell a child what you wanted done, and the child was doing the exact opposite, would you not use your voice to tell the child not to do what you wanted done?

Reality is, Donald Trump was the beneficiary of about a trillion dollars' worth of free publicity. You saw Ron Paul and Rand Paul not get a thousand dollars' worth of free publicity out of them. They Who Must Not Be Named were never mentioned. And you refuse to bow to the reality of that.

But it's all good. You always did have a high tolerance for getting laughed at.


They didn't need Donald Trump to win. They didn't need to put their credibility on the line. They have plenty of shills. Hillary, Jeb, Rubio, all highly acceptable to the deep state. Your argument makes zero sense.

When the voters send a clear message that they will only vote for someone they think is not a puppet, then the puppeteers find some puppet who can convince the voters that he isn't really a puppet. It's too late for the known puppets (with names like Clinton and Bush giving them away) to pull that trick.

I know, this is too adult a puzzle for some people. But I have to say it anyway.

[jllundqu]

The MSM USED PR to prop the Donald up in the Primary and help him win Hillary win. The Donald detractors have to be nuts to think that the Uniparty wanted Trump to win after what transpired in the GE.

http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/


How the Hillary Clinton campaign deliberately “elevated” Donald Trump with its “pied piper” strategy


Republican Donald Trump, a far-right demagogue who campaigned on a slew of bigoted, xenophobic policies, has won the 2016 presidential election in a shocking victory few people predicted.

What was not often acknowledged in Trump’s heated race against Democrat Hillary Clinton, however, was how her campaign fueled his rise to power.

An email recently released by the whistleblowing organization WikiLeaks shows how the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party bear direct responsibility for propelling the bigoted billionaire to the White House.

In its self-described “pied piper” strategy, the Clinton campaign proposed intentionally cultivating extreme right-wing presidential candidates, hoping to turn them into the new “mainstream of the Republican Party” in order to try to increase Clinton’s chances of winning.

The Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee called for using far-right candidates “as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right.” Clinton’s camp insisted that Trump and other extremists should be “elevated” to “leaders of the pack” and media outlets should be told to “take them seriously.”

[AuH20]

http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

Thanks for reinforcing what I stated.

[misterx]

He can push back all he wants, they will keep planting chemical weapons until he capitulates.

[acptulsa]

Thanks for reinforcing what I stated.

What you stated is the Uniparty didn't want Trump elected. What we are saying to you is, you have to be nuts to think the Uniparty would deliberately promote someone who could actually turn out to be a legitimate threat to it.

They could have accomplished the exact same goal by promoting Rand Paul, but they did not. They brought in Trump to do it. Why? What did Trump bring to the table that Paul did not?

The answer is, they prefer fail-safe plans to plans that hinge on genuine wild cards. Their game is, present two puppets for us to choose from and never, ever talk about any candidates who aren't puppets.

Your whole theory hinges on your belief that Republican primary voters cannot be fooled into thinking someone is something they are not--i.e, they couldn't be fooled into thinking Trump was not the tool he obviously is. But they got fooled into thinking Nixon cared about law and order, Reagan was fiscally conservative, and Dubya would stoutly resist nation-building.

Didn't they?

How was this election so different from all the others, again? The subtleties are lost on me...

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I dunno. She had a pretty solid budget and a very tight control on the messaging.


I was being sarcastic to the person who said there are no Don supporters here.




The powers that be divide and conquer us....

There are no "powers that be." That's nothing but a victim mentality.

The game is going on right under your nose, not in some political thriller.


Are you blinkin' serious? :confused:

I should say that I am not aware of any. Are you?

[H. E. Panqui]

AuH20 buys the swill from WGOP inc.: 'The Donald detractors have to be nuts to think that the Uniparty wanted Trump to win after what transpired in the GE.'

:rolleyes:

...cut it out!..all the republicans i know who voted for stinking republican puppet$ bush, mccain, and romney, all voted for 'him who speaketh with forked tongue, but him not white him orange'...get it through your republicrat skulls...it's not so much what they say [although that's really really bad] it's what your republicrats NEVER say/admit...for example, that 'US foreign policy' is a big ol' bag of evil stoooooooopidity...and it has been so for a looooooooong time...world champion militarism, interventionism, 'put the puppet in, take the puppet outism,' bombing, killing, arms dealing, spying, thievery, etc. ad nauseam...world champions mind you!...but hardly an honest open focused peep EVER from your miserable republicrats...hear me now and believe me later, your shilling/apologizing for these gd republicrat creeps is understood by many as just plain goddamned foolish/or evil, take your pick...and will be seen as gd foolish/evil by even more tomorrow... ;)

[AuH20]

What you stated is the Uniparty didn't want Trump elected. What we are saying to you is, you have to be nuts to think the Uniparty would deliberately promote someone who could actually turn out to be a legitimate threat to it.

They could have accomplished the exact same goal by promoting Rand Paul, but they did not. They brought in Trump to do it. Why? What did Trump bring to the table that Paul did not?

The answer is, they prefer fail-safe plans to plans that hinge on genuine wild cards. Their game is, present two puppets for us to choose from and never, ever talk about any candidates who aren't puppets.

Your whole theory hinges on your belief that Republican primary voters cannot be fooled into thinking someone is something they are not--i.e, they couldn't be fooled into thinking Trump was not the tool he obviously is. But they got fooled into thinking Nixon cared about law and order, Reagan was fiscally conservative, and Dubya would stoutly resist nation-building.

Didn't they?

How was this election so different from all the others, again? The subtleties are lost on me...

Trump was promoted early on for Hillary's longterm benefit, thanks in large part to Trump's uncouth, politically incorrect style. The HRC campaign internal memos revealed as much. But the plan backfired in the GE after a deluge of negative stories that simply didn't pass muster. It was overkill. Trump masterfully pivoted against the MSM, which the Clinton camp never envisioned.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I'm honestly curious why you think that might be. Feel free to PM. I'm sincerely curious.


Not really. It's not because I don't think you're a good guy, undergroundrr, but because anything I'm absolutely sure about will be posted in the open. I'll say what I think. People are free to read or not read what I post. Bryan and the moderators can ban me if they'd like. I really don't care. I sure as hell would not apologize, suck up, or "appeal" to come back. These forums are a dime-a-dozen.

[undergroundrr]

I'll say what I think.

But you don't. You just repeatedly accuse people of not meaning what they say. It might be nice if you'd start sharing your views. I'm sure you're an interesting person.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I think there was a bit of a "wildcard" element in the election, but I would not necessarily use that word. I think some things came together in a somewhat unique way that no one could 100% foresee or control. The so-called "powers that be" are often disparate elements that don't agree, or are even at odds.

You had a guy with a lot of money. Sort of like Ross Perot. The big X factor and difference between Perot and Don Trump was social media. Media has become so diffuse that other than traditional telecommunications sources became a big factor. The idea that that "fake news" was turned on the very people who tried to push it shows many in the media did not have control. Traditional media also saw good ratings (hence money) giving their attention to Don T, but that seems to have backfired.

Nobody controls all of this. Some are just forces of history, forces beyond anyone's control. There is no "they."

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

But you don't.

I actually do. People are not always paying attention or reading what others say. It's embodied in this phrase I constantly see: I didn't read the whole thread, but.... That is indicative of self-absorption. If someone did not read what I said, why should I read what they said? I they did not read others' posts, then what makes them think others are reading their posts?

I share my views all time. If you're interested then you know where to find them.

[undergroundrr]

I think there was a bit of a "wildcard" element in the election, but I would not necessarily use that word. I think some things came together in a somewhat unique way that no one could 100% foresee or control. The so-called "powers that be" are often disparate elements that don't agree, or are even at odds.

You had a guy with a lot of money. Sort of like Ross Perot. The big X factor and difference between Perot and Don Trump was social media. Media has become so diffuse that other than traditional telecommunications sources became a big factor. The idea that that "fake news" was turned on the very people who tried to push it shows many in the media did not have control. Traditional media also saw good ratings (hence money) giving their attention to Don T, but that seems to have backfired.

Nobody controls all of this. Some are just forces of history, forces beyond anyone's control. There is no "they."

Wow. I agree with all that. And I agree strongly with the last paragraph.

It's what allows me to still hold out hope that liberty candidates can win in the future and redirect the ship. We just don't know where, when, who or how. The only certainty is that if you don't show up, you can't win.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Donald Trump complains about they or those powers that be. And he is the president. So who is he talking about? Isn't he the power? Isn't he the man? A lot of people think so.

If the president of the US complains, then who is controlling the strings? The bankers? The media? Unions? Libs? The military? Immigrants? Gates? Walmart? Foreigners? Your boss? Putin? Don's wife? The guy from India who owns the motel?

[dannno]

Donald Trump complains about they or those powers that be. And he is the president. So who is he talking about? Isn't he the power? Isn't he the man? A lot of people think so.

A lot of people be wrong.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

A lot of people be wrong.

Okay, then who?

[dannno]

Okay, then who?

It's a conglomerate of many of those who you mentioned. There is a top-down structure, but also some factions. I think it is all pretty well hidden, which makes it more difficult to define. But we do know where and when many of their meetings and get togethers are, and we know who on this forum is helping contribute to their well-being.

[Zippyjuan]

It's a conglomerate of many of those who you mentioned. There is a top-down structure, but also some factions. I think it is all pretty well hidden, which makes it more difficult to define. But we do know where and when many of their meetings and get togethers are, and we know who on this forum is helping contribute to their well-being.

OK- who here is sleeping with the White House staff? Was this some pizza party? Time to knock it off!

[twomp]

It's a conglomerate of many of those who you mentioned. There is a top-down structure, but also some factions. I think it is all pretty well hidden, which makes it more difficult to define. But we do know where and when many of their meetings and get togethers are, and we know who on this forum is helping contribute to their well-being.

Lies. We all know Trump is a retard who is easily manipulated by the people around him and what he sees on television. Trump doesn't make any decisions, his daughter does, his adviser does, his son-in-law does. Boobus basically elected the biggest boobus of them all to be our President.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/ZTxYIgVypKuTm/giphy.gif

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

It's a conglomerate of many of those who you mentioned. There is a top-down structure, but also some factions. I think it is all pretty well hidden, which makes it more difficult to define. But we do know where and when many of their meetings and get togethers are, and we know who on this forum is helping contribute to their well-being.


Eh, I don't know, man. Even those people are never on the same page.

It's not like everything is out of your control. I've never shopped at Walmart and never will. Junk. I seldom hit a dollar store. I will never pay for dumbass TV. I opted out of the only union to which I belonged. I've bought two items on credit in my life and will never again. I'll buy anything from any foreigner or anybody else as long as I get value. I never considered the military and I'm not picking up a gun against anybody 8k miles away. I'm not some bad ass, but a cop shoots my dog and there's no way he's getting away with it.

Those might sound like small things, but they add up to your life. The union boss was mad, but I told them I'm not paying their dues so they can fund Democrats. I've never taken a drug test for a job and never will. Never show your boss you're afraid to lose your job. And on and on.

That does not mean you don't have to adjust, but I think you have to have lines. The whole "powers that be" is just a victim mentality to me. I go my own way. F*ck those people, and f*ck everybody else.

[Mordan]

They didn't need Donald Trump to win. They didn't need to put their credibility on the line. They have plenty of shills. Hillary, Jeb, Rubio, all highly acceptable to the deep state. Your argument makes zero sense.

I agree. His argument is mind boggling dishonest. I feel like I am talking to my illogical brother.

Hillary was the best candidate for the deep state. Why would the MSM prop Trump? Ender still on the train thought that Trump is running to make Hillary win?

Ender and company are still butt hurt. Their emotions cloud their thinking.

[dannno]

Eh, I don't know, man. Even those people are never on the same page.

It's not like everything is out of your control. I've never shopped at Walmart and never will. Junk. I seldom hit a dollar store. I will never pay for dumbass TV. I opted out of the only union to which I belonged. I've bought two items on credit in my life and will never again. I'll buy anything from any foreigner or anybody else as long as I get value. I never considered the military and I'm not picking up a gun against anybody 8k miles away. I'm not some bad ass, but a cop shoots my dog and there's no way he's getting away with it.

Those might sound like small things, but they add up to your life. The union boss was mad, but I told them I'm not paying their dues so they can fund Democrats. I've never taken a drug test for a job and never will. Never show your boss you're afraid to lose your job. And on and on.

That does not mean you don't have to adjust, but I think you have to have lines. The whole "powers that be" is just a victim mentality to me. I go my own way. F*ck those people, and f*ck everybody else.

Do you pay taxes?

[Mordan]

Ender, CPUd, Pizzo, and all those useful idiots are the same people who manipulate emotions (CPUd) or are manipulated by emotions (...) to further a nefarious purpose like in the McDonald coffee lawsuit.

[CPUd]

Ender, CPUd, Pizzo, and all those useful idiots are the same people who manipulate emotions (CPUd) or are manipulated by emotions (...) to further a nefarious purpose like in the McDonald coffee lawsuit.

Are you triggered bro?

[nikcers]

I agree. His argument is mind boggling dishonest. I feel like I am talking to my illogical brother.

Hillary was the best candidate for the deep state. Why would the MSM prop Trump? Ender still on the train thought that Trump is running to make Hillary win?

Ender and company are still butt hurt. Their emotions cloud their thinking.

Trump would have a better chance at Israel firsting because democrats had been running away from that and was hated by Israel

[AuH20]

Why would the TPTB expend so much critical political and social capital against DJT if Donald Trump was in their stable from the start? Now that's not to say that they couldn't have turned him now. Based on the composition of his cabinet, that theory has credence. There is also another theory that Trump was backed by another faction of the Deep State to war against the more fabian socialist faction that typified Clinton and Obama. An internecine war of sorts between the Masters of the Universe.

[Mordan]

Are you triggered bro?

nope. just analyzing the situation on this board and warning other readers.

[nikcers]

Why would the TPTB expend so much critical political and social capital against DJT if Donald Trump was in their stable from the start? Now that's not to say that they couldn't have turned him now. Based on the composition of his cabinet, that theory has credence.

It's far easier to believe that the media gave him the opposite of the Ron Paul treatment and covered him 24/7 because they wanted to hurt his chances. It's far easier to believe an outsider came in with no money and won a political contest. I mean if they really wanted to censor Trump wouldn't they try to kick him out of the debates?

[Mordan]

Why would the TPTB expend so much critical political and social capital against DJT if Donald Trump was in their stable from the start? Now that's not to say that they couldn't have turned him now. Based on the composition of his cabinet, that theory has credence. There is also another theory that Trump was backed by another faction of the Deep State to war against the more fabian socialist faction that typified Clinton and Obama. An internecine war of sorts between the Masters of the Universe.

Pence was ok because balanced with Flynn and Bannon. Tillerson is middle. Good pick.

McMaster was the advisor that destroyed the balance in favors of neocons.

I don't know about Kushner. Probably Israel First. Ivanka feels and Trump listens to her.

Trump is also getting corrupted by power as well, like anyone would be, albeit at different speed, depending on your moral strength. Even Gandalf turned down the offer to take the Ring.

[AuH20]

Pence was ok because balanced with Flynn and Bannon. Tillerson is middle. Good pick.

McMaster was the advisor that destroyed the balance in favors of neocons.

I don't know about Kushner. Probably Israel First. Ivanka feels and Trump listens to her.

Trump is also getting corrupted by power as well, like anyone would be, albeit at different speed, depending on your moral strength. Even Gandalf turned down the offer to take the Ring.

Pence and Tillerson talk daily with Cheney. Major red flags. On the other side, the Javanka power couple are nearly completely compromised by the Clintonistas and Israel's Likud Party.

Bannon, Miller and Anton comprise the only rebel faction in the White House.

[Mordan]

It's far easier to believe that the media gave him the opposite of the Ron Paul treatment and covered him 24/7 because they wanted to hurt his chances. It's far easier to believe an outsider came in with no money and won a political contest. I mean if they really wanted to censor Trump wouldn't they try to kick him out of the debates?

Access Hollywood Tape played in loop for 1 week. Because kick him out of the debates would be too obvious.

I just owned your petty argument. You are a tool. A shill paid to spread FUD.

Not worth much answering you, even less reading your drivel

[nikcers]

Access Hollywood Tape played in loop for 1 week. Because kick him out of the debates would be too obvious.

I just owned your petty argument. You are a tool. A shill paid to spread FUD.

Not worth much answering you, even less reading your drivel

IT wasn't too obvious to kick Rand Paul out of the debates.

[Mordan]

Pence and Tillerson talk daily with Cheney. Major red flags. On the other side, the Javanka power couple are nearly completely compromised by the Clintonistas and Israel's Likud Party.

if that is true.. well Trump does not stand much of a chance to be what he described he would be in the campaign.

[nikcers]

Not worth much answering you, even less reading your drivel
You're so sad you went from polls are real to polls are fake after the fake ass primary. If you think just the democrat primary is rigged you are sad.

[Mordan]

IT wasn't too obvious to kick Rand Paul out of the debates.

Debate Access Rules are the same for everyone. tool. If I remember correctly, Trump kicked himself out of the Fox Debate...

[AuH20]

if that is true.. well Trump does not stand much of a chance to be what he described he would be in the campaign.

That's why I'm not encouraged by the 4d chess theories. You don't play 4d chess by being surrounded. I don't think Trump has completely turned, but he made questionable deals with assurances that would ease his agenda.

[nikcers]

Debate Access Rules are the same for everyone. tool. If I remember correctly, Trump kicked himself out of the Fox Debate...
yeah because of the real polls, too bad the establishment doesn't make debate rules. Its not like they changed the fucking primary rules against Trump during the convention like they could have. 60% of Republicans would of loved for them to change the fucking rules this time like they did against Ron Paul.

[Mordan]

yeah because of the real polls, too bad the establishment doesn't make debate rules. Its not like they changed the $#@!ing primary rules against Trump during the convention like they could have. 60% of Republicans would of loved for them to change the $#@!ing rules this time like they did against Ron Paul.

Ron Paul didn't have a majority of Delegates you dummy. Ron Paul didn't fight in the press like Trump did to avoid his nomination being stealed from him. Ron Paul wasn't a fighter loved by rednecks on reddit ready to take arms to support him. I guess you are a very bad chess player. You don't know how to compare.

[nikcers]

Ron Paul didn't have a majority

SO what are you saying that there would of been no difference if they didn't change the rules? You might be the first Ron Paul bot I've met who doesn't think he should be president right now.

[nikcers]

I guess you are a very bad chess player.

Yeah you're right I guess Trump would of just ran third party if Ron Paul was the nominee like he said he would.

[Mordan]

That's why I'm not encouraged by the 4d chess theories. You don't play 4d chess by being surrounded. I don't think Trump has completely turned, but he made questionable deals with assurances that would ease his agenda.

man. did you expect the MSM to be that dishonest? The Russian narrative is even supported by butt hurt libertarians here.
Trump has been surrounded since day 1. Also Trump is boxed in by his persona. He cannot afford to look weak. So he cut deals to go forward. With the whole deep state against him, what can he do? Some say he was forced to cut a deal with RINOs to win the Gorsuch seat.

[AuH20]

man. did you expect the MSM to be that dishonest? The Russian narrative is even supported by butt hurt libertarians here.
Trump has been surrounded since day 1. Also Trump is boxed in by his persona. He cannot afford to look weak. So he cut deals to go forward. With the whole deep state against him, what can he do? Some say he was forced to cut a deal with RINOs to win the Gorsuch seat.

I would have plowed right ahead like he did in the GE. You know and I know, that those deals are not worth the paper they are written on. It was done to stall Trump and keep him in line.

[Mordan]

I would have plowed right ahead like he did in the GE. You know and I know, that those deals are not worth the paper they are written on. It was done to stall Trump and keep him in line.

Plowing right ahead does not change ObamaCare. Trump needs Congress, does he not? What happens if Republicans don't vote the Nuclear Option? Trump has nothing to show for. Trump is in a tricky place. The deal got him the Justice Judge. McCain got an airfield. Now....

[AuH20]

Plowing right ahead does not change ObamaCare. Trump needs Congress, does he not? What happens if Republicans don't vote the Nuclear Option? Trump has nothing to show for. Trump is in a tricky place. The deal got him the Justice Judge. McCain got an airfield. Now....

How does Obamacare Lite help Trump though?

[acptulsa]

Trump was promoted early on for Hillary's longterm benefit, thanks in large part to Trump's uncouth, politically incorrect style. The HRC campaign internal memos revealed as much. But the plan backfired in the GE after a deluge of negative stories that simply didn't pass muster. It was overkill. Trump masterfully pivoted against the MSM, which the Clinton camp never envisioned.

So, you used to vehemently deny that it was even possible that Clinton and Trump--a pair of well-connected New Yorkers--could have any connection at all. Now, presumably after having your nose repeatedly rubbed in the hard evidence, you can admit that she hand-picked him for his role.

But you still cannot conceive of the slightest possibility that she picked him--not Clint Eastwood, not Jack Nicholson, not Gary Busey, not any of the dozens of other charismatic, irascible, white middle aged male celebrities who could have done it just as well, but him--for a reason. A reason such as, maybe just maybe, she knew perfectly well she could count on him to do exactly what she would do and nothing she wouldn't do. Like, perhaps just perhaps, preserve, protect and defend the Federal Reserve from audit, continue to screw the healthy so the Medical Industrial Complex can continue to raise its exhorbitant prices, and further the Oil Patch Wars. No matter how many of his campaign promises he stomps into oblivion in the process.

Interesting. She could hand-pick him, but she couldn't have hand-picked him because he was reliable. Well, then.

You should be careful giving up those inches, no matter how much hard evidence there is forcing you to do so. Next thing you know, those inches will all add up to a mile...

[dannno]

So, you used to vehemently deny that it was even possible that Clinton and Trump--a pair of well-connected New Yorkers--could have any connection at all. Now, presumably after having your nose repeatedly rubbed in the hard evidence, you can admit that she hand-picked him for his role.

But you still cannot conceive of the slightest possibility that she picked him--not Clint Eastwood, not Jack Nicholson, not Gary Busey, not any of the dozens of other charismatic, irascible, white middle aged male celebrities who could have done it just as well, but him--for a reason. A reason such as, maybe just maybe, she knew perfectly well she could count on him to do exactly what she would do and nothing she wouldn't do. Like, perhaps just perhaps, preserve, protect and defend the Federal Reserve from audit, continue to screw the healthy so the Medical Industrial Complex can continue to raise its exhorbitant prices, and further the Oil Patch Wars. No matter how many of his campaign promises he stomps into oblivion in the process.

Interesting. She could hand-pick him, but she couldn't have hand-picked him because he was reliable. Well, then.

You should be careful giving up those inches, no matter how much hard evidence there is forcing you to do so. Next thing you know, those inches will all add up to a mile...

I thought she picked him because it was a sure thing that she would win.

[acptulsa]

I thought she picked him because it was a sure thing that she would win.

The Fed is safe from audit. Obamacare, it seems, will not go unless it's replaced by something even worse. Syria is under the gun.

What has she lost? The election? As long as her buddies are still in charge and still giving her kickbacks and insider information, what does she care about the damned election? You think because she's not flying in Air Force One, she has to go tourist class...?

She may have lost the hand, but she's still winning the bridge game. Handily. Bank on it. She knows what's important, even if you don't.

[dannno]

The Fed is safe from audit. Obamacare, it seems, will not go unless it's replaced by something even worse. Syria is under the gun.


The Fed is NOT safe from audit, Trump has said he wants to audit the fed and we may have some bills coming up soon.

Trump is helping Rand pass his healthcare plan, if you think Trump actually supported RyanCare then you are foolish and you need to go read the threads where I addressed this topic. Rand was talking to Trump 2-3 times a week, and Rand told Trump straight up it wasn't going to pass, it didn't have the votes. Trump knew it wasn't going to pass, so he supported it to make sure it was all Paul Ryan's failure and none of it could be blamed on him. Trump hates Paul Ryan.

Trump is going to help save Syria, with Russia's help.

[acptulsa]

The Fed is NOT safe from audit, Trump has said he wants to audit the fed and we may have some bills coming up soon.

LOL I suggest you hold your breath, dannno.


Trump is helping Rand pass his healthcare plan, if you think Trump actually supported RyanCare then you are foolish and you need to go read the threads where I addressed this topic. Rand was talking to Trump 2-3 times a week, and Rand told Trump straight up it wasn't going to pass, it didn't have the votes. Trump knew it wasn't going to pass, so he supported it to make sure it was all Paul Ryan's failure and none of it could be blamed on him. Trump hates Paul Ryan.

LOLOL So Trump knew it would fail, so he publicly supported it so no one could say that he couldn't put it over if he tried, which he did and he couldn't. And he loves all the liberty people in Congress, which is why he publicly eviscerated them and threatened to primary them.


Trump is going to help save Syria, with Russia's help.

LOLOLOL So Trump is going to bomb half, and Putin is going to bomb the other half, and they'll save it for posterity by wrapping it in asphalt and painting stripes on it.

Congratulations. This post was actually amusing. Hilarious, in fact.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Do you pay taxes?


Huh?

[The Rebel Poet]

Are all of these blog posts and infowars articles just Trump fan fiction?
That's the perfect description of the Trumpfluffing and justification the local Cheer squad does.

[Ender]

If the deep state wanted Trump as President, it would have been completely retarded to come up with a crazy hoax where there is a huge conspiracy among the media to totally discredit themselves, just to get him elected. They have easier ways of doing this stuff.

Sorry, but you, knowingly or unknowingly, are tool of the deep state... NOT for promoting what Ron Paul or some actual liberty proponent says criticizing Trump, you are a tool of the deep state for promoting the shills on here who were posting BS stories about Trump being a Russian agent and about Russian hacking while Ron Paul was dismissing all that as total BS.. Your problem is that you couldn't see where Ron Paul and the shills on here were parting ways, and why that was way more important than where Ron Paul and Trump part ways.

Good. Grief.

You sure like to ASSume, dannno.

You're calling ME a shill when YOU have been THE primary Trump supporter here, while all the time denying it. :rolleyes:

Go out and get some sun, dude- I think you need a break from the Donald-Love.

[Pizzo]

Ron Paul didn't have a majority of Delegates you dummy. Ron Paul didn't fight in the press like Trump did to avoid his nomination being stealed from him. Ron Paul wasn't a fighter loved by rednecks on reddit ready to take arms to support him. I guess you are a very bad chess player. You don't know how to compare.

Fucking hilarious.

[TheCount]

Go out and get some sun, dude- I think you need a break from the Donald-Love.It may be some kind of contact high from all of the tanning spray.

[Athan]

[/LEFT]
https://www.infowars.com/trump-pushes-back-against-neo-con-plan-to-invade-syria/

Sorry Danno, Steve Pieczenik already spoke about this tactic. It is intentionally meant to confuse people having one person say something and have another say something else. He said the admin will be going to war. He did somewhat imply that the intelligence community may have something up their sleeve in response to Trump's action though. :cool:

[Philmanoman]

danno,mordan (aka moron) and silverhandhorde are by far the biggest idiots on this site.

Maybe someone could make a collection of their best posts...and we could laugh our asses off.

[Philmanoman]

Good. Grief.

You sure like to ASSume, dannno.

You're calling ME a shill when YOU have been THE primary Trump supporter here, while all the time denying it. :rolleyes:

Go out and get some sun, dude- I think you need a break from the Donald-Love.

He might want to stay out of the sun.
I think it may have turned his brain into a California raisin.

[dannno]

Good. Grief.

You sure like to ASSume, dannno.

You're calling ME a shill when YOU have been THE primary Trump supporter here, while all the time denying it. :rolleyes:

Go out and get some sun, dude- I think you need a break from the Donald-Love.

I didn't call you a shill in that post..I said you promote and defend shills for the deep state.

[dannno]

Sorry Danno, Steve Pieczenik already spoke about this tactic. It is intentionally meant to confuse people having one person say something and have another say something else. He said the admin will be going to war. He did somewhat imply that the intelligence community may have something up their sleeve in response to Trump's action though. :cool:

Did you miss Donald Trump's interview on Fox yesterday when he said we aren't going into Syria?

[nikcers]

Did you miss Donald Trump's interview on Fox yesterday when he said we aren't going into Syria?

Tillerson Warns Russia on Syria, Saying Assad Era Is ‘Coming to an End’

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[kcchiefs6465]

Did you miss Donald Trump's interview on Fox yesterday when he said we aren't going into Syria?
Those aren't even words.

[Ender]

I didn't call you a shill in that post..I said you promote and defend shills for the deep state.

I would say that would be Trump supporters.

JMHPOV

[Athan]

Did you miss Donald Trump's interview on Fox yesterday when he said we aren't going into Syria?

YES.

This is exactly what I was commenting about. One hand saying one thing (Trump) and the other hand saying another (McMasturbator) was a tactic observed by Steve Pieczenik. He stated because it was intentionally meant to confuse the public, they are likely going to war. There are US troops in Syria now, two armored columns were reported by VARIOUS sources one being the youtuber "Syrian Girl" as well as Jordanian aircraft.

[CPUd]

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[TheCount]

Did you miss Donald Trump's interview on Fox yesterday when he said we aren't going into Syria?But isn't your new argument that Trump is some kind of gullible, easily manipulated, naive moron? If so, why would we listen to his words instead of the words of the people who are apparently actually making the decisions in the executive branch?

I'll hold out for Ivanka's interview to see what the future holds.

[dannno]

But isn't your new argument that Trump is some kind of gullible, easily manipulated, naive moron? .

No?

[undergroundrr]

I would say that would be Trump supporters.

JMHPOV

Mine too. trump is a nutrient-packed green smoothie infused with omega 3's for the Deep State.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

But isn't your new argument that Trump is some kind of gullible, easily manipulated, naive moron? If so, why would we listen to his words instead of the words of the people who are apparently actually making the decisions in the executive branch?

I'll hold out for Ivanka's interview to see what the future holds.

You just said they are bad communicators. You can't even get your spinning straight on here.

Anyway, I asked you a question earlier that you did not answer. You always harp on who you don't like. How about discussing who you do like? Or what you like? Or what you stand for? Are you going to do that? Are you willing to have a conversation? I have asked you this several times. Do you want to debate/discuss?

[TheCount]

No?What else besides a moron would you call a person who - according to you - appointed a bunch of bad people to be his advisers so that they could give him bad advice so that then he could fire them... and then forgets his plan, ends up taking their bad advice instead, and spends $100 million attacking a foreign country based on this known-bad advice?

[Indy Vidual]

Trump used to say the POTUS cannot attack Syria without consulting congress, what happened?


If you can't see the deep state is against Trump, then you are the one who has reality issues....

Dannno, why would the "deep state" be against a useful tool like The Donald?

http://www.bostonglobe.com/rf/image_585w/Boston/2011-2020/2016/04/13/BostonGlobe.com/National/Images/600_clinton_trump.jpg

https://d1ai9qtk9p41kl.cloudfront.net/assets/mc/_external/2016_03/some-day-laura-im-gonna-punch.jpg?h=174&w=350

All laughter aside, I feel sorry for the millions who suffer from endless wars.

[dannno]

What else besides a moron would you call a person who - according to you - appointed a bunch of bad people to be his advisers so that they could give him bad advice so that then he could fire them... and then forgets his plan, ends up taking their bad advice instead, and spends $100 million attacking a foreign country based on this known-bad advice?

The attack on the Syrian air base was extremely effective at achieving multiple objectives, the vast majority of which had absolutely nothing to do with Syria. I don't support it, although the damage was minimal, but it achieved numerous objectives that may help lead to world peace as well as helping advance Trump against the deep state so I won't own the decision but the outcome is undeniable.

[Brian4Liberty]

Access Hollywood Tape played in loop for 1 week. Because kick him out of the debates would be too obvious.

I just owned your petty argument. You are a tool. A shill paid to spread FUD.

Not worth much answering you, even less reading your drivel

The election is over. Time to focus on issues, and return to a more normal and civil environment. Thanks.

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[LibertyEagle]

Good. Grief.

You sure like to ASSume, dannno.

You're calling ME a shill when YOU have been THE primary Trump supporter here, while all the time denying it. :rolleyes:

Go out and get some sun, dude- I think you need a break from the Donald-Love.

Dannno is right. But, then again he has the courage to stand up to the self-appointed mob on this forum, who believes it is their purview to drive anyone off of here who won't walk lockstep with their goosestep.

[jmdrake]

If the deep state wanted Trump as President, it would have been completely retarded to come up with a crazy hoax where there is a huge conspiracy among the media to totally discredit themselves, just to get him elected. They have easier ways of doing this stuff.

Sorry, but you, knowingly or unknowingly, are tool of the deep state... NOT for promoting what Ron Paul or some actual liberty proponent says criticizing Trump, you are a tool of the deep state for promoting the shills on here who were posting BS stories about Trump being a Russian agent and about Russian hacking while Ron Paul was dismissing all that as total BS.. Your problem is that you couldn't see where Ron Paul and the shills on here were parting ways, and why that was way more important than where Ron Paul and Trump part ways.

Dannno, I got attacked by your fellow Trump zealots for posting stories about Trump's increasing militarization. That was Ron Paul criticism of Trump. And where were you calling out your follow Trump zealots for that BS? AWOL. So spare me your fake pronouncements of who is or is not a "shill."

As for the media supposedly being against Trump, do the words "controlled opposition" mean nothing to you? The media "attacked" John McCain and Mitt Romney too. Remember how the media was all over Mitt's "47% comment?" Guess what? Romney was still a tool of the NWO. George Soros freaking bankrolled your boy Trump! Now his investment in Trump is paying off. Chew on that.

[Ender]

Dannno is right. But, then again he has the courage to stand up to the self-appointed mob on this forum, who believes it is their purview to drive anyone off of here who won't walk lockstep with their goosestep.

That would be YOU.

It is YOU who have dished out the insults, neg reps, and name-calling.

It is YOU who have continually pushed Trump and glorified in continually bettering yourself to those who disagreed.

It is YOU who reigned supreme in your own self-appointed Trump mob and tried to devour anyone who was not in lockstep with your Trumpie goosestep.

[TheCount]

The attack on the Syrian air base was extremely effective at achieving multiple objectives, the vast majority of which had absolutely nothing to do with Syria. I don't support it, although the damage was minimal, but it achieved numerous objectives that may help lead to world peace as well as helping advance Trump against the deep state so I won't own the decision but the outcome is undeniable.Bombs for peace. Attacking a sovereign nation for peace. Starting war to reduce state power. Sounds reasonable.

[Origanalist]

The Fed is NOT safe from audit, Trump has said he wants to audit the fed and we may have some bills coming up soon.

Trump is helping Rand pass his healthcare plan, if you think Trump actually supported RyanCare then you are foolish and you need to go read the threads where I addressed this topic. Rand was talking to Trump 2-3 times a week, and Rand told Trump straight up it wasn't going to pass, it didn't have the votes. Trump knew it wasn't going to pass, so he supported it to make sure it was all Paul Ryan's failure and none of it could be blamed on him. Trump hates Paul Ryan.

Trump is going to help save Syria, with Russia's help.

Welcome to my sig line. Lol, "Trump said".

[AZJoe]

Against plan to invade Syria? He is already in Syria


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKbJzBlbYlQ

[Mordan]

How does Obamacare Lite help Trump though?

It is part of a deal. Have you ever played a political board game such as Res Publica Romana ?

My understanding is that Trump tried something. He said he would repeal Obamacare day one. He tried and he failed. Partly because of Ryan.
Anyways Trump is NOT a libertarian. Libertarians like danno or myself supporting Trump does not make Trump a libertarian.
Trump is a human being and his close advisers will shape the agenda.
Looking at knee jerk reactions from people all over the world, I would say the only cool headed statesman is Putin.
On the economic agenda Trump is going to go full Keynesian. I don't care. The system is beyond saving.[EDIT buy gold and bitcoin as a hedge and you will fine] Trump knows it, denounced it during the campaign but once holding the reigns of power, he does not have any other choice but to continue playing the musical chair game. Trump does not want the system to implode under his presidency. So he will play along the FED system.

Board shills can call me an conned moron. Trump already did beyond my expectations by winning despite the MSM and the blue/red establishment. Trump showed it can be done. Board shills will try to downplay Trump's achievement because it hurts their little emotional ego.

Now if only Hillary could go to jail before January...

[dannno]

Against plan to invade Syria? He is already in Syria


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKbJzBlbYlQ

Semantics.

Trump is in Syria taking out ISIS, which is a group the deep state has created using taxpayer dollars to fund to take out Assad and his government. It's like picking up your dog's poop on your neighbor's lawn.. sure, you're trespassing, but your neighbor appreciates it.

[jmdrake]

How does Obamacare Lite help Trump though?

It's simple. Trump has no principles. Seriously I don't know why you and others can't see this. Forget all of the "Ivanka wants a new pony" or "Trump is being blackmailed by Mossad for being a pedophile" conspiracy theories. Trump is being Trump. Trump likes to win. How do you win a GOP primary in a year where the GOP electorate is angrier than ever? Sound like the angriest guy on the stage and focus all of your attention on the one issue that angry GOPpers seem in 100% agreement on which is immigration. That's it. Trump never was on your side. Not unless your side is winning. Paul Ryan seemed to have a winning formula for healthcare. Trump was ready to jump on it. Why? Because Trump likes winning. RyanCare went down in flames, Trump took Rand Paul golfing. If Rand's plan goes done in flames, Trump will casually cast him aside for the next mover and shaker in D.C. that promises him a "win." That's it. That's all he cares about. The sooner you figure that out, the happier you'll be.

[jmdrake]

Semantics.

Trump is in Syria taking out ISIS, which is a group the deep state has created using taxpayer dollars to fund to take out Assad and his government. It's like picking up your dog's poop on your neighbor's lawn.. sure, you're trespassing, but your neighbor appreciates it.

:rolleyes: If your neighbor is already cleaning up the poop and says "Thanks but no thanks", you are trespassing. If you bitch slap your neighbor because you disapprove of the way he is getting up the poop, you are definitely trespassing. Does Trump have permission from the government in Syria to be in Syria? No? Then he is trespassing. And the missile strike is Trump's bitch slap.

Russia and Syria were already clearing out ISIS while Obama was still president. The U.S. doesn't need to be there at all.

[jmdrake]

It is part of a deal. Have you ever played a political board game such as Res Publica Romana ?

Sure. It's a political game for Trump. And all he cares about is winning. He has no principles. He promised universal healthcare for crying out loud.


Board shills can call me an conned moron. Trump already did beyond my expectations by winning despite the MSM and the blue/red establishment. Trump showed it can be done. Board shills will try to downplay Trump's achievement because it hurts their little emotional ego.

Obama went beyond my expectations by winning. Hillary was supposed to beat Obama in 2008. Obama was being pumped for sure, but he was supposed to fall in line as the VP candidate and not take the whole enchilada. Why do you think Hillary started that whole "birther" thing?

Now when it comes to ego, yours is quite fragile. I didn't attack you, but you neg repped me for pointing out the obvious to Dannno which is that Trump is a George Soros puppet. Why is it it's okay to suggest that Trump is being blackmailed for possibly being a pedophile, or that he's being cucked by his own daughter, but not okay to point out Trumped documented connection to George Soros and his long time habit of making mega donations to the Clinton foundation and other liberal causes? Why was I routinely attacked by your fellow Trump supporters by pointing out that as late as 2000, Donald Trump wrote in his own book that he supported an assault weapons ban? It's simple. It's your ego. You'd rather believe that somehow you are "right" about Trump actually supporting what you support and is just a hollow shell of a man that will do whatever his daughter wants, or worse is a pedo sicko that is being blackmailed, than believe that you were wrong about Trump all along, and that Trump has no principles and that he was playing you for a sucker.

Oh, and if Trump really is being blackmailed about Orgy Island than I hope he and Bill share a cell over that.

[AZJoe]

Semantics.

Trump is in Syria taking out ISIS, which is a group the deep state has created using taxpayer dollars to fund to take out Assad and his government. It's like picking up your dog's poop on your neighbor's lawn.. sure, you're trespassing, but your neighbor appreciates it.

What laced kool aid has Danno been drinking? These missiles strikes were not against ISIS. The missile strikes supported ISIS and Al Qaeda. The missile strikes were directly against the Syrian government, helping to protect ISIS and Al Qaeda. The Syrians do not appreciate having their nation bombed or Washington protecting ISIS and Al Qaeda by trying to take out Syria's air force.

To use Danno's ridiculous dog pooh analogy, its like the neighbor's dog poohs in Danno's yard, so then the neighbor comes over himself and takes a crap on Danno's sofa and flings it in Danno's face, and then promises to be back to take more craps all over Danno's house, while preventing Danno from cleaning up the neighbor's dog pooh.

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[Mordan]

Sure. It's a political game for Trump. And all he cares about is winning. He has no principles. He promised universal healthcare for crying out loud.


I played such a game. Once you taste power, all you care about is winning.

Some people still didn't get the wisdom from the Lord of the Rings.

Conclusion. Public servants must be completely naked. Public servants relinquish all their ego and the assets. They become tools. Their individuality is stripped from them.
The US constitution is flawed in that regard. The president and the 10 people right below him should be just that. Guardians and executors of the constitution.

[dannno]

What laced kool aid has Danno been drinking? These missiles strikes were not against ISIS. The missile strikes supported ISIS and Al Qaeda. The missile strikes were directly against the Syrian government, helping to protect ISIS and Al Qaeda. The Syrians do not appreciate having their nation bombed or Washington protecting ISIS and Al Qaeda by trying to take out Syria's air force.

To use Danno's ridiculous dog pooh analogy, its like the neighbor's dog poohs in Danno's yard, so then the neighbor comes over himself and takes a crap on Danno's sofa and flings it in Danno's face, and then promises to be back to take more craps all over Danno's house, while preventing Danno from cleaning up the neighbor's dog pooh.

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5DnnyjtQSZp5rg9bYOxyHfcfXnMT30 RPf_g2ChP3VlAUxjFL_

No, no, you got it wrong again.

I was responding to a statement that you made about us being "in" Syria or whatever, and how we are already there or something..

I responded by explaining that we are in Syria fighting against ISIS.

We were in Syria for a whole 15 minutes 'fighting Assad', by bombing a small empty airbase.. and that bombing did not hurt Assad very much, yet it got us miles ahead of the game with Russia, China, North Korea and the entire world. It got the globalists off Trump's back for 5 seconds about him being a Russian agent. It achieved massive amounts of political capital for Trump.

[openfire]

No, no, you got it wrong again.

I was responding to a statement that you made about us being "in" Syria or whatever, and how we are already there or something..

I responded by explaining that we are in Syria fighting against ISIS.

We were in Syria for a whole 15 minutes 'fighting Assad', by bombing a small empty airbase.. and that bombing did not hurt Assad very much, yet it got us miles ahead of the game with Russia, China, North Korea and the entire world. It got the globalists off Trump's back for 5 seconds about him being a Russian agent. It achieved massive amounts of political capital for Trump.

^ This.

[dannno]

Russia and Syria were already clearing out ISIS while Obama was still president. The U.S. doesn't need to be there at all.

I agree, but I have a feeling our role there will be quite small. A million times smaller than if Hillary were President and she had us in a boondoggle in Syria. Remember, I'm not saying what Trump is doing is the best way, or the most moral way, I'm just saying it's a million times better than having the deep state running things.

[openfire]

I agree, but I have a feeling our role there will be quite small. A million times smaller than if Hillary were President and she had us in a boondoggle in Syria. Remember, I'm not saying what Trump is doing is the best way, or the most moral way, I'm just saying it's a million times better than having the deep state running things.

If Hillary were prez, it would be Iraq 2.0.

[AZJoe]

We were in Syria for a whole 15 minutes 'fighting Assad', by bombing a small empty airbase.. and that bombing did not hurt Assad very much, yet it got us miles ahead of the game with Russia, China, North Korea and the entire world. It got the globalists off Trump's back for 5 seconds about him being a Russian agent. It achieved massive amounts of political capital for Trump.

Sorry Danno . "Political capital" is no justification for bombing another country in violation of the Constitution, international sovereignty, international law, ethics, morality, sanctity of life. Nor does "15 minutes" of bombing make the bombing any more justified. And it did not get "us miles ahead of the game with Russia, China, North Korea and the entire world." Rather it set us miles behind, destroying relationships and diplomacy with Russia, China, and North Korea, and revealing to the entire world that Washington is a blatant liar, and cannot be trusted, and has no respect for intentional law or national sovereignty. And the show of force also turned out to be a show of ineptitude, and incompetence to boot - a laughing stock. It is an utter failure of the highest magnitude.

Nor is going after ISIS a justification for violating the national sovereignty of Syria to forcible "help it" against its will clean up the "pooh" Washington caused. Without the permission of Syria it is an illegal invasion and an act of war. Syria has every legal right to forcibly rebuff any Washington invaders.

Lastly, if you think US troops are in Syria to help Assad and Syria, you are still drinking the laced Kool Aid. They aren't there to respect Syrian sovereignty or the will of the Syrian people. If they were, they wouldn't be there. Washington may (or may not) actually be actively targeting ISIS (as opposed to supporting them) for political kudos now that they are on the ropes anyway, but it sill wants regime change and control over the Syrian government. It still wants to set up control zones inside Syria outside of Syrian government reach from which to launch more regime change/destabilization/color revolutions to forcibly get its will over he Syria. It may have abandoned its ISIS ploy to destabilize Syria, but it is still striving to destabilize the country . Witness the recent lies about the gas attack, and the impulsive need to act immediately without evidence and oppose any investigation to uncover truth. This time they may not call them "moderate" rebels, but it will be some new group - perhaps more Wahhabi Jihadis under a new name, perhaps some Kurdish group, or perhaps some other Sunni group to be trained, armed and played to implement Washington's bidding.

The one thing you know for sure is they are not there with permission. They are not there to support Syria or its government. They are illegal migrants in violation of national sovereignty and sent in violation of US Constitution and law. "Pooh" or no "pooh", There is no justification for it whatsoever. The US does not need to be in Syria at all! (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?509827-Ron-Paul-The-U-S-doesn%92t-need-to-be-in-Syria-(Kennedy-4-10)&p=6454663#post6454663)

[dannno]

Sorry Danno . "Political capital" is no justification for bombing another country in violation of the Constitution, international sovereignty, international law, ethics, morality, sanctity of life. Nor does "15 minutes" of bombing make the bombing any more justified. And it did not get "us miles ahead of the game with Russia, China, North Korea and the entire world." Rather it set us miles behind, destroying relationships and diplomacy with Russia, China, and North Korea, and revealing to the entire world that Washington is a blatant liar, and cannot be trusted, and has no respect for intentional law or national sovereignty. And the show of force also turned out to be a show of ineptitude, and incompetence to boot - a laughing stock. It is an utter failure of the highest magnitude.

Nor is going after ISIS a justification for violating the national sovereignty of Syria to forcible "help it" against its will clean up the "pooh" Washington caused. Without the permission of Syria it is an illegal invasion and an act of war. Syria has every legal right to forcibly rebuff any Washington invaders.

Lastly, if you think US troops are in Syria to help Assad and Syria, you are still drinking the laced Kool Aid. They aren't there to respect Syrian sovereignty or the will of the Syrian people. If they were, they wouldn't be there. Washington may (or may not) actually be actively targeting ISIS (as opposed to supporting them) for political kudos now that they are on the ropes anyway, but it sill wants regime change and control over the Syrian government. It still wants to set up control zones inside Syria outside of Syrian government reach from which to launch more regime change/destabilization/color revolutions to forcibly get its will over he Syria. It may have abandoned its ISIS ploy to destabilize Syria, but it is still striving to destabilize the country . Witness the recent lies about the gas attack, and the impulsive need to act immediately without evidence and oppose any investigation to uncover truth. This time they may not call them "moderate" rebels, but it will be some new group - perhaps more Wahhabi Jihadis under a new name, perhaps some Kurdish group, or perhaps some other Sunni group to be trained, armed and played to

The one thing you know for sure is they are not there with permission. They are not there to support Syria or its government. They are illegal migrants in violation of national sovereignty and sent in violation of US Constitution and law. "Pooh" or no "pooh", There is no justification for it whatsoever. The US does not need to be in Syria at all! (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?509827-Ron-Paul-The-U-S-doesn%92t-need-to-be-in-Syria-(Kennedy-4-10)&p=6454663#post6454663)

Wow, that post is completely filled with mainstream media deep state narrative..

I suggest, for your own sanity, checking out my latest "State of Trump" thread. It will at least give you a different perspective that you can think about and consider.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?509834-The-First-State-of-Trump-Address

[The Rebel Poet]

Wow, that post is completely filled with mainstream media deep state narrative..

I suggest, for your own sanity, checking out my latest "State of Trump" thread. It will at least give you a different perspective that you can think about and consider.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?509834-The-First-State-of-Trump-Address

You can't even argue against his points.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic

And wtf? YOU are the one pimping mainstream media deep state shit. They are all over Assad and lauding Trump for attacking.

Pull you head out of Trump's ass and smell some fresh air!

[jmdrake]

I agree, but I have a feeling our role there will be quite small. A million times smaller than if Hillary were President and she had us in a boondoggle in Syria. Remember, I'm not saying what Trump is doing is the best way, or the most moral way, I'm just saying it's a million times better than having the deep state running things.


If Hillary were prez, it would be Iraq 2.0.

Unlikely. Hillary would play from the same Bill Clinton, Barack Obama playbook that Trump is playing from which is "Avoid getting Americans upset being sending in ground troops." Seriously I've pointed this fact out to Dannno multiple times. The Bosnia War was "won" with air power alone....and nobody cares about the aftermath. Libya was "won" by air power alone and nobody cares about the aftermath. Hillary is a lot of things, but she's not stupid. We were never at risk for a ground war with a Hillary presidency. What we were at risk for was a confrontation with Russia. And what are we having now? A confrontation with Russia. Here's the million dollar question. What happens if everytime Assad starts a significant bombing campaign against the rebels, they respond by "crossing the red line" on behalf of Assad by using chemical weapons and blaming them on Assad? What then? Does Trump implement a de facto "no fly zone" over Syria? That was my concern with Hillary, that she would impose a no fly zone, Russia wouldn't go along, and conflict could break out. But a full ground invasion by a democrat neocon is not in the cards. That's just not how they operate or have operated since Vietnam. Every military operation since then, from Carter funding the Mujahadeen, to Clinton bombing Bosnia, to Clinton authorizing special forces to go after Aidid in Somalia, to Obama's air war over Libya has either been air power alone, special forces alone or some combination of both. Republicans tend to do the ground wars from Reagan's invasion of Grenada to poppy Bush's invasions of Panama and Kuwait to Dubya's invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. Democrat's learned that high U.S. casualties are what turn people against war as opposed to the morality or immorality of the military action itself.

[kcchiefs6465]

Sorry Danno . "Political capital" is no justification for bombing another country in violation of the Constitution, international sovereignty, international law, ethics, morality, sanctity of life. Nor does "15 minutes" of bombing make the bombing any more justified. And it did not get "us miles ahead of the game with Russia, China, North Korea and the entire world." Rather it set us miles behind, destroying relationships and diplomacy with Russia, China, and North Korea, and revealing to the entire world that Washington is a blatant liar, and cannot be trusted, and has no respect for intentional law or national sovereignty. And the show of force also turned out to be a show of ineptitude, and incompetence to boot - a laughing stock. It is an utter failure of the highest magnitude.

Nor is going after ISIS a justification for violating the national sovereignty of Syria to forcible "help it" against its will clean up the "pooh" Washington caused. Without the permission of Syria it is an illegal invasion and an act of war. Syria has every legal right to forcibly rebuff any Washington invaders.

Lastly, if you think US troops are in Syria to help Assad and Syria, you are still drinking the laced Kool Aid. They aren't there to respect Syrian sovereignty or the will of the Syrian people. If they were, they wouldn't be there. Washington may (or may not) actually be actively targeting ISIS (as opposed to supporting them) for political kudos now that they are on the ropes anyway, but it sill wants regime change and control over the Syrian government. It still wants to set up control zones inside Syria outside of Syrian government reach from which to launch more regime change/destabilization/color revolutions to forcibly get its will over he Syria. It may have abandoned its ISIS ploy to destabilize Syria, but it is still striving to destabilize the country . Witness the recent lies about the gas attack, and the impulsive need to act immediately without evidence and oppose any investigation to uncover truth. This time they may not call them "moderate" rebels, but it will be some new group - perhaps more Wahhabi Jihadis under a new name, perhaps some Kurdish group, or perhaps some other Sunni group to be trained, armed and played to implement Washington's bidding.

The one thing you know for sure is they are not there with permission. They are not there to support Syria or its government. They are illegal migrants in violation of national sovereignty and sent in violation of US Constitution and law. "Pooh" or no "pooh", There is no justification for it whatsoever. The US does not need to be in Syria at all! (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?509827-Ron-Paul-The-U-S-doesn%92t-need-to-be-in-Syria-(Kennedy-4-10)&p=6454663#post6454663)
Must spread some rep around.

[dannno]

I never said whether it was justified or not, I'm just pointing out the massive amount of benefit he received from doing it and that maybe it was about more than starting some neocon quagmire which you guys seem convinced is going to happen. I don't think it will. If you prefer a globalist neocon quagmire to a 15 minute attack on an empty airbase, then I'm sorry but we will have to disagree.

[openfire]

I never said whether it was justified or not, I'm just pointing out the massive amount of benefit he received from doing it and that maybe it was about more than starting some neocon quagmire which you guys seem convinced is going to happen. I don't think it will. If you prefer a globalist neocon quagmire to a 15 minute attack on an empty airbase, then I'm sorry but we will have to disagree.

I guess they're OK letting the embedded deep state, neocon, fascist, globalist parasites enslave us all. F that. F principles. I prefer to resist these mf*ckers in any way, shape or form. At this point, I've seen nothing from Trump that can't be justified. The alternative is much worse.

[CPUd]

What else besides a moron would you call a person who - according to you - appointed a bunch of bad people to be his advisers so that they could give him bad advice so that then he could fire them... and then forgets his plan, ends up taking their bad advice instead, and spends $100 million attacking a foreign country based on this known-bad advice?

Clearly all this stuff is fake news "narrative".

[openfire]

Clearly all this stuff is fake news "narrative".

Everything you post, yes.

[jmdrake]

I never said whether it was justified or not, I'm just pointing out the massive amount of benefit he received from doing it and that maybe it was about more than starting some neocon quagmire which you guys seem convinced is going to happen. I don't think it will. If you prefer a globalist neocon quagmire to a 15 minute attack on an empty airbase, then I'm sorry but we will have to disagree.

As so the benefit of Obama bombing Libya was what exactly? The benefit of Clinton bombing Bossnia was what exactly? Democrats post Vietnam don't like ground wars. Trump is behaving like a typical democrat.

[jmdrake]

I guess they're OK letting the embedded deep state, neocon, fascist, globalist parasites enslave us all. F that. F principles. I prefer to resist these mf*ckers in any way, shape or form. At this point, I've seen nothing from Trump that can't be justified. The alternative is much worse.

LOL @ anyone who says they care about principles and they support Donald Trump. Note that Ron Paul is taking the same position that most of the rest of us are taking. Ron Paul must lack principles. :rolleyes:

[dannno]

LOL @ anyone who says they care about principles and they support Donald Trump. Note that Ron Paul is taking the same position that most of the rest of us are taking. Ron Paul must lack principles. :rolleyes:

Ya, I took the same position as you all did if you recall - but I also recognize that Trump gained massive amounts of political capital that he may be able to use to create peace, and if a 15 minute air raid on an empty airbase achieves that then I certainly prefer that plan to a massive globalist military boondoggle.

I mean, how the hell was he supposed to make any sort of deals with Russia while the media was maligning Putin for getting Trump elected, and Trump being a Putin stooge. It would have been impossible. Now that narrative is dust, and Trump can move on and actually accomplish something. It's called forward thinking, Trump has it.

[timosman]

Ya, I took the same position as you all did if you recall - but I also recognize that Trump gained massive amounts of political capital that he may be able to use to create peace, and if a 15 minute air raid on an empty airbase achieves that then I certainly prefer that plan to a massive globalist military boondoggle.

I mean, how the hell was he supposed to make any sort of deals with Russia while the media was maligning Putin for getting Trump elected, and Trump being a Putin stooge. It would have been impossible. Now that narrative is dust, and Trump can move on and actually accomplish something. It's called forward thinking, Trump has it.

You should ask yourself this question: Have I been brainwashed into putting so much faith into this guy? What if he does not deliver? Your fragile ego will be shattered in thousands of pieces when this happens. Should we create a safe space for you? :cool:

[Mordan]

You should ask yourself this question: Have I been brainwashed into putting so much faith into this guy? What if he does not deliver? Your fragile ego will be shattered in thousands of pieces when this happens. Should we create a safe space for you? :cool:

It is not about brainwashing. You can support Trump for practical reasons. I think Danno is right about the Syria missile strikes helping Trump politically in the US. The media stopped talking about the sickening russian narrative. Proof again it was just a hoax to manipulate the public opinion.

Trump made a good call as a politician. Libertarian souls can bitch all they want about principles and being conned. Trump is going to disappointed again. I have enough hairchest.

Just answer the question. Which game is Trump playing?

[TheCount]

It is not about brainwashing. You can support Trump for practical reasons. I think Danno is right about the Syria missile strikes helping Trump politically in the US. The media stopped talking about the sickening russian narrative. Proof again it was just a hoax to manipulate the public opinion.

I think that this is the first time that I have ever heard someone praise a presidential administration for using a military operation to distract from an ongoing investigation.

[The Rebel Poet]

LOL @ anyone who says they care about principles and they support Donald Trump. Note that Ron Paul is taking the same position that most of the rest of us are taking. Ron Paul must lack principles. :rolleyes:
Reread his post. It's worse than you realized. He actually thinks principles are terrible. "F principles" is what he said.

Well F shills who want us to abandon our principles! Since the ultimate deep state agenda is to get us all to abandon our principles so there will be no one left fighting them, everyone who wants that is either a direct agent of the deep state, or a useless roadblock to our war against the DS. Anyway I don't see why you guys keep feeding those guys. Anyone that far out of sync with Dr. Paul obviously isn't here for anything legitimate.

[kcchiefs6465]

I guess they're OK letting the embedded deep state, neocon, fascist, globalist parasites enslave us all. F that. F principles. I prefer to resist these mf*ckers in any way, shape or form. At this point, I've seen nothing from Trump that can't be justified. The alternative is much worse.
It's odd that you are worried about becoming a slave when you are seemingly content already being one.

Taxed forty percent with a debased currency to boot to fund four million dollar a day White House maintenance and lob 1.5 million dollar missiles around the world and the alternative to that slavery is bad enough that you not only accept the conditions of your slavery you defend your masters.

[tod evans]

1.5 million dollar missiles

Those are freedom pops.......

[phill4paul]

Those are freedom pops.......

http://www.longisland70skid.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Bomb-Pops.jpg

courtesy of the Red, White and Blue!

[Mordan]

I think that this is the first time that I have ever heard someone praise a presidential administration for using a military operation to distract from an ongoing investigation.

Greenfoot Count lost in the woods?

[Origanalist]

It's odd that you are worried about becoming a slave when you are seemingly content already being one.

Taxed forty percent with a debased currency to boot to fund four million dollar a day White House maintenance and lob 1.5 million dollar missiles around the world and the alternative to that slavery is bad enough that you not only accept the conditions of your slavery you defend your masters.

I would say he's a bit more than content. Lol, he comes here for his version of two minutes of hate.

[CaptUSA]

It is not about brainwashing. You can support Trump for practical reasons. I think Danno is right about the Syria missile strikes helping Trump politically in the US. The media stopped talking about the sickening russian narrative. Proof again it was just a hoax to manipulate the public opinion.

Are you actually defending, "wagging the dog"?!

You see, this is emblematic of what Trump has done to your brains. You were conned. But instead of coming to that realization, you're doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to try to make things fit. In fact, you're actually supporting military action as a way to gain political power!! You will completely drop any pretense of principles if it'll help you believe the fairy tale that you didn't fall for the con. You'd be much, much better off if you'd just admit it and move on. At least then, you'd maintain a shred of dignity.

[Origanalist]

It is not about brainwashing. You can support Trump for practical reasons. I think Danno is right about the Syria missile strikes helping Trump politically in the US. The media stopped talking about the sickening russian narrative. Proof again it was just a hoax to manipulate the public opinion.

Trump made a good call as a politician. Libertarian souls can bitch all they want about principles and being conned. Trump is going to disappointed again. I have enough hairchest.

Just answer the question. Which game is Trump playing?

We're all pleased to know you have enough hairchest.

[The Rebel Poet]

Are you actually defending, "wagging the dog"?!

You see, this is emblematic of what Trump has done to your brains. You were conned. But instead of coming to that realization, you're doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to try to make things fit. In fact, you're actually supporting military action as a way to gain political power!! You will completely drop any pretense of principles if it'll help you believe the fairy tale that you didn't fall for the con. You'd be much, much better off if you'd just admit it and move on. At least then, you'd maintain a shred of dignity.
You have a point, and maybe you're right, but why should anyone believe that he was conned? Wouldn't it make more sense if the horrid ideas he vomits up every day are his real beliefs and anything to the contrary was a pretense? I mean, we know that the deep state tries to infiltrate political forums, and Stormfront has infiltrated RPF before.

[timosman]

I think that this is the first time that I have ever heard someone praise a presidential administration for using a military operation to distract from an ongoing investigation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNo0BicRM8k

[The Rebel Poet]

We're all pleased to know you have enough hairchest.
He's so alpha. You're just a jealous paulcuck.

[Pizzo]

It is not about brainwashing. You can support Trump for practical reasons. I think Danno is right about the Syria missile strikes helping Trump politically in the US. The media stopped talking about the sickening russian narrative. Proof again it was just a hoax to manipulate the public opinion.

Trump made a good call as a politician. Libertarian souls can bitch all they want about principles and being conned. Trump is going to disappointed again. I have enough hairchest.

Just answer the question. Which game is Trump playing?

You certainly do, fella.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/d0/92/f3/d092f3faddd2f8af2b97d71ba95f3997.jpg

[Superfluous Man]

According to White House sources who spoke to Infowars,

'Nuf said.

[Ender]

Ya, I took the same position as you all did if you recall - but I also recognize that Trump gained massive amounts of political capital that he may be able to use to create peace, and if a 15 minute air raid on an empty airbase achieves that then I certainly prefer that plan to a massive globalist military boondoggle.

I mean, how the hell was he supposed to make any sort of deals with Russia while the media was maligning Putin for getting Trump elected, and Trump being a Putin stooge. It would have been impossible. Now that narrative is dust, and Trump can move on and actually accomplish something. It's called forward thinking, Trump has it.

What's the excuse for bombing Raqqa? This was NOT an empty airbase.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?508448-Race-For-Raqqa-Major-US-Escalation-In-Syria

[dannno]

Are you actually defending, "wagging the dog"?!

You see, this is emblematic of what Trump has done to your brains. You were conned. But instead of coming to that realization, you're doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to try to make things fit. In fact, you're actually supporting military action as a way to gain political power!! You will completely drop any pretense of principles if it'll help you believe the fairy tale that you didn't fall for the con. You'd be much, much better off if you'd just admit it and move on. At least then, you'd maintain a shred of dignity.

I don't know if he supported the military action, I did not. However, if you are viewing things from the correct perspective, it's not all that bad. It was an empty airbase, the attack lasted 15 minutes. That is the negative. The positive is that Trump is fighting against the deep state globalists who want to murder millions of people, and this action gave him tremendous political capital that could be used to further world peace, as opposed to killing millions of people. If in hindsight, Trump ends up saving millions of lives, then it was probably a good action to take. Not being able to see into the future, taking a principled stand like Ron or Rand, like myself or you or the other people here is the best option. But the deep state would most likely murder that option before they ever got into power. So it's called having a preference, a preference against the deep state, it is a very reasonable preference to have. The deep state is evil, and there are a lot of people on here actively shilling for them and I think that is a mistake.

[dannno]

What's the excuse for bombing Raqqa? This was NOT an empty airbase.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?508448-Race-For-Raqqa-Major-US-Escalation-In-Syria

For the millionth time, Trump campaigned on getting rid of ISIS. My preference would be for Ron Paul's plan to bring the troops home over Trump's plan, but I prefer Trump's plan of getting rid of ISIS and then not attacking sovereign countries over a continuation of the deep state plan to fund ISIS and radical Islam and create more proxy wars and regime change and nation building.. The analogy I used recently was that getting rid of ISIS is like picking up dog poop on your neighbor's lawn.. it's trespassing, but your dog pooped and so your neighbor appreciates it. jmdrake made some crazy claim that Assad wouldn't want us there helping to get rid of ISIS, but that is ignorant. Assad would welcome our military in the fight against ISIS.

Do you have a preference for a continuation of the deep state proxy wars, funding ISIS, regime change and nation building over Trump's plan of defeating ISIS and protecting America?

[nikcers]

For the millionth time, Trump campaigned on getting rid of ISIS.
Trump campaigned on being the most militaristic person and the least militaristic person, and his campaign would tell the audience that he was fooling the other group.

[Constitutional Moderate]

What happened to not being globalists? To making America great again? We have threats right here like Islam. I'm a firm believe in what Mark Twain said, support your country all of the time and the government when it deserves it. This should be a no brainer. We are only helping Isis against Assad when we strike like we have or invade Syria. We cannot involve ourselves further especially with no proof Assad even did this. Even if there was Isis is far more of a threat than Assad. We need to take back control of the government that serves us. Their soul purpose is to protect our rights. We must act by writing or calling our congressman and expressing what we the people want. Individually as that is what we are based on and what holds power. Not groups. Until we stop letting government do whatever it wants we are likely to have tyranny under a democracy with no freedom. We still have our republic but it doesn't keep itself. We the people. Like Reagan said the government is the car and we are the driver. We cannot sit back and not utilize the law we are ruled by and the Republican form of government we have get destroyed. I voted for Trump because I thought he was the best candidate but there is no way I will I will sit back while he doesnt follow through on his promises. Draining the swamp didnt happen. Our focus seems to have gone global when he said its what we need to stop doing. I refuse to act like a liberal sheeple just because of who is president. It would make me just like the blind sheeple for obama while he did major destruction while supporting him. Never voted for the socialist but even when I did with Trump, if he starts acring like a politician he said he's not I am going to call him on it.
We need to do what we can to let our employees know in government we cannot do this. Stop the attacks and don't invade. Bring the focus back to America. Build the wall like you promised...its law. Reagan said a nation without borders is not a nation. Islam was banned/outlawed/made illegal here in 1952 because it's a hate group. If we don't follow the laws we are ruled by we can kiss freedom goodbye and say hello to tyranny of the elite in being mob rule then I inevitably ruled by the elite (democracy always degenerates to oligarchy...always) keep our republic!!!

[Ender]

For the millionth time, Trump campaigned on getting rid of ISIS. My preference would be for Ron Paul's plan to bring the troops home over Trump's plan, but I prefer Trump's plan of getting rid of ISIS and then not attacking sovereign countries over a continuation of the deep state plan to fund ISIS and radical Islam and create more proxy wars and regime change and nation building.. The analogy I used recently was that getting rid of ISIS is like picking up dog poop on your neighbor's lawn.. it's trespassing, but your dog pooped and so your neighbor appreciates it. jmdrake made some crazy claim that Assad wouldn't want us there helping to get rid of ISIS, but that is ignorant. Assad would welcome our military in the fight against ISIS.

Do you have a preference for a continuation of the deep state proxy wars, funding ISIS, regime change and nation building over Trump's plan of defeating ISIS and protecting America?

And for the millionth time, it is obvious that you have not watched this video.

ISIS was hardly present in Raqqa- the US is supporting 2 different factions there that are fighting EACH OTHER. THEY ARE NOT ISIS.

Many innocents were killed for what cause? Trump's ego?

[dannno]

And for the millionth time, it is obvious that you have not watched this video.

ISIS was hardly present in Raqqa- the US is supporting 2 different factions there that are fighting EACH OTHER. THEY ARE NOT ISIS.

Many innocents were killed for what cause? Trump's ego?

Ok, do you realize that there also factions at war within our intelligence agencies and military?

Some of them still want to arm ISIS and create boondoggles for the military industrial complex. Others want to make America great again.

There will no doubt be hiccups and issues on the battlefield, that is part of the nature of these types of fights and that is why I don't support them. How do you know who is fighting for who? We have been told over and over it is almost impossible to tell.

But I do have a preference for a leader whose overall reaching goal is to defeat ISIS, even if there are a couple hiccups, if the other alternative is endless boondoggles, regime change and nation building.

Which do you prefer? I keep asking, you keep NOT answering.

[The Rebel Poet]

Edit: I checked the rules, and apparently there has been a rule added to outlaw FIFY posts, so I will rephrase the exact same information in a more politically correct way to appease the trumpflakes:


Trump's plan IS proxy wars, funding ISIS, regime change and nation building. That is exactly what Trump has been doing. The deep state and media have been wanting to destabilize Syria and have done a pr campaign against Assad, and Trump has dutifully attacked Assad both verbally and militarily. Anything repackaging those real, tangible events is fan fiction. If Trump and the deep state are really fighting, it is nothing more than The Wars of the Roses.

[dannno]

Meh.

Reported - against forum guidelines.

[Ender]

Ok, do you realize that there also factions at war within our intelligence agencies and military?

Some of them still want to arm ISIS and create boondoggles for the military industrial complex. Others want to make America great again.

There will no doubt be hiccups and issues on the battlefield, that is part of the nature of these types of fights and that is why I don't support them. How do you know who is fighting for who? We have been told over and over it is almost impossible to tell.

But I do have a preference for a leader whose overall reaching goal is to defeat ISIS, even if there are a couple hiccups, if the other alternative is endless boondoggles, regime change and nation building.

Which do you prefer? I keep asking, you keep NOT answering.

Neither.

I prefer a president who will bring the military home and quite fucking up countries with wars WE have started.

[dannno]

Meh.

I reported this post because it is fraudulent, not because it hurts my feelings. (this is a response to your -rep, you can -rep me all you want I don't really care)

[dannno]

Neither.

I prefer a president who will bring the military home and quite fucking up countries with wars WE have started.

If I had that option, I would pick that too.. but that is not reality.

The reality is your dog pooped on your neighbor's lawn. You have the option of picking up the poop on your neighbor's lawn, or dumping 100 tons of manure on their house.

[Mordan]

Neither.

I prefer a president who will bring the military home and quite $#@!ing up countries with wars WE have started.

you don't have such a president. and people cheered anyways.. Drudge had Trump at 50% approval ratings.

[Mordan]

I don't feel conned because I never supported Trump for the reasons hard libertarians here think I did.

You keep saying it trying to fit my actions into your narrative. Nobody answered my question. What game is Trump playing? He is not playing the "most libertarian president ever"game. He is playing real politics. Syria's strike was a winning move according to the latest developments. It is not a winning move to hardcore principled libertarians. Hey newsflash. I never was a principled libertarian.

Nobody answered my views about solving the issue that power is corrupting elected officials. Oh yea.. because it is not a pure libertarian solution.

[Ender]

you don't have such a president. and people cheered anyways.. Drudge had Trump at 50% approval ratings.

I don't give a shit what Trump's rating's are- never supported him, never will.

[timosman]

I don't feel conned because I never supported Trump for the reasons hard libertarians here think I did.

You keep saying it trying to fit my actions into your narrative. Nobody answered my question. What game is Trump playing? He is not playing the "most libertarian president ever"game. He is playing real politics. Syria's strike was a winning move according to the latest developments. It is not a winning move to hardcore principled libertarians. Hey newsflash. I never was a principled libertarian.

Nobody answered my views about solving the issue that power is corrupting elected officials. Oh yea.. because it is not a pure libertarian solution.

It is only corrupting the bad ones.:rolleyes:

[Mordan]

It is only corrupting the bad ones.:rolleyes:

so Power does not corrupt the good ones? How do you define a good one? What moral scale do you use?

[Mordan]

If I had that option, I would pick that too.. but that is not reality.

The reality is your dog pooped on your neighbor's lawn. You have the option of picking up the poop on your neighbor's lawn, or dumping 100 tons of manure on their house.

There is another reality. All the democrats had was the Russian Gate. Now the shills on this board like CPU don't have anything anymore, except Trump didn't act libertarian enough. That's why they are making a rucus.

[dannno]

There is another reality. All the democrats had was the Russian Gate. Now the shills on this board like CPU don't have anything anymore, except Trump didn't act libertarian enough. That's why they are making a rucus.

Ya, that pretty much sums it up.

Trump is a million times more libertarian than the globalists, but they prefer the globalists.

[twomp]

There is another reality. All the democrats had was the Russian Gate. Now the shills on this board like CPU don't have anything anymore, except Trump didn't act libertarian enough. That's why they are making a rucus.

If you have problems with libertarians, you are probably on the wrong message board. Have you considered going to iloveneocons.com? Probably will have posts that are more supportive of your Dear Leader.

[twomp]

Ya, that pretty much sums it up.

Trump is a million times more libertarian than the globalists, but they prefer the globalists.

Trump is a globalist. Just because you say he isn't, doesn't make it true.

[dannno]

Trump is a globalist. Just because you say he isn't, doesn't make it true.

Just because you say he is, doesn't make it true. Trump is for a global economy, he is actively fighting against global government and the globalists.

[CPUd]

It is not about brainwashing. You can support Trump for practical reasons. I think Danno is right about the Syria missile strikes helping Trump politically in the US. The media stopped talking about the sickening russian narrative. Proof again it was just a hoax to manipulate the public opinion.

Trump made a good call as a politician. Libertarian souls can bitch all they want about principles and being conned. Trump is going to disappointed again. I have enough hairchest.

Just answer the question. Which game is Trump playing?

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[openfire]

Reread his post. It's worse than you realized. He actually thinks principles are terrible. "F principles" is what he said.

Well F shills who want us to abandon our principles! Since the ultimate deep state agenda is to get us all to abandon our principles so there will be no one left fighting them, everyone who wants that is either a direct agent of the deep state, or a useless roadblock to our war against the DS. Anyway I don't see why you guys keep feeding those guys. Anyone that far out of sync with Dr. Paul obviously isn't here for anything legitimate.

Yes please do reread my post - the whole post and not just a cherry picked snippet taken out of context.

First of all, given the recent news that Trump has handed over full military decision making power to the MIC, I could have been wrong about him all along. If that's the case, I will be the first to admit that I may have been duped.

HOWEVER... In light of the fact the all western governments have been captured by the same globalist entity, and seeing what these psychopaths have been implementing thus far (Agenda 21/ 2030, open borders, TPP, wars wars and more wars, destruction of European culture and western cultures, eroding national sovereignty, etc...) I think that's it's not inappropriate to temporarily put principles on the back burner if it means electing a less than perfect candidate who is an anti-globalist (at least it appeared that he was).

^ That was the context in which I said "F principles", not to entirely abandon them as you suggest.

Of course I would rather have had Ron or Rand as POTUS, but that wasn't an option, now was it? I would rather have a POTUS who rejects "the false song of globalism", even if it means electing a non libertarian. Sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette, and to draw upon another cliche, rejecting a candidate who violates certain libertarian principles while honoring others (rejecting globalist centralization of power) would be akin to throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Again this may be a moot point IF, as many here suspect, Trump is a fraud. We shall see.

But this notion that only a pure libertarian is capable of delivering at least some wins for the cause of liberty is foolhardy... As every election passes, we get less and less liberty, and the trend must be reversed ASAP. The first task is to purge the "entity" that has captured the US government. If Trump can do that (becoming less and less likely) than I'm OK with that.

I hope that clears up any confusion regarding the quote in question.

[CPUd]

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https://twitter.com/Hasan_Jneed/status/854077286517223425

[openfire]

Trump is a million times more libertarian than the globalists, but they prefer the globalists.

That's been my beef with them all along. Most of the members here are good, well principled and well intentioned people, but half of them have a huge gaping blind spot when it comes to the globalists and the globalist agenda. I don't think they realize the game afoot, who the players are, how pervasive and deeply embedded they are in all levels of government, academia, banking, NGOs, media etc, and what's at at stake... Either that, or they really do prefer the globalists.

[CPUd]

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[phill4paul]

If you have problems with libertarians, you are probably on the wrong message board. Have you considered going to iloveneocons.com? Probably will have posts that are more supportive of your Dear Leader.

Que LibertyEagle to say that this is not a libertarian board. 3, 2, 1,............

[phill4paul]

There is another reality. All the democrats had was the Russian Gate. Now the shills on this board like CPU don't have anything anymore, except Trump didn't act libertarian enough. That's why they are making a rucus.

"Enough?" Try NOT AT ALL. :rolleyes:

You can neo-con some, but ya can't con me. Lol.

[CPUd]

We just need to smoke weed and do some yoga while President Donald deescalates the shit out of several countries using small 15-minute attacks to build political capital that will be used to enforce world peace and definitely not a boondoggle.

[phill4paul]

We just need to smoke weed and do some yoga while President Donald deescalates the shit out of several countries using small 15-minute attacks to build political capital that will be used to enforce world peace and definitely not a boondoggle.

We can hope.

[dannno]

That's been my beef with them all along. Most of the members here are good, well principled and well intentioned people, but half of them have a huge gaping blind spot when it comes to the globalists and the globalist agenda. I don't think they realize the game afoot, who the players are, how pervasive and deeply embedded they are in all levels of government, academia, banking, NGOs, media etc, and what's at at stake... Either that, or they really do prefer the globalists.

I feel like about 1/3rd of the forum (or less) who posts are basically globalist shills who either a) don't even recognize that the globalists are a well organized machine or b) are a compensated portion of that machine..

Then there are 1/3rd (or slightly more) who think Donald Trump is a false flag sent by the establishment. I don't think this is completely out of the realm of possibility, but I think it is highly unlikely. I think there would be much more effective ways of accomplishing their goals.

Then there are about 1/3 who are somewhat wary, but generally support Trump and his goals.

[Influenza]

I feel like about 1/3rd of the forum (or less) who posts are basically globalist shills who either a) don't even recognize that the globalists are a well organized machine or b) are a compensated portion of that machine..

Then there are 1/3rd (or slightly more) who think Donald Trump is a false flag sent by the establishment. I don't think this is completely out of the realm of possibility, but I think it is highly unlikely. I think there would be much more effective ways of accomplishing their goals.

Then there are about 1/3 who are somewhat wary, but generally support Trump and his goals.

Trump doesn't even support his own goals LOL. "Don't bomb Assad" -> bombs Assad. "Label China a currency manipulator" -> Now they aren't a currency manipulator. "Build a wall and have mexico pay for it." -> admits Mexico won't pay for it.

Here's some other things that 1/3 of RPF generally supports:

1. torture
2. maybe assassinate kim jong un "has heard worse ideas'
3. rip up iran nuclear deal
4. bomb the families of terrorists
5. 54 billion military spending increase
6. eminent domain
7. blind support for police

and so many more great ideas

[dannno]

Trump doesn't even support his own goals LOL. "Don't bomb Assad" -> bombs Assad. "Label China a currency manipulator" -> Now they aren't a currency manipulator. "Build a wall and have mexico pay for it." -> admits Mexico won't pay for it.

1. He didn't bomb Assad until he allegedly used sarin gas, and he only bombed the airbase that it allegedly came from and it only lasted 15 minutes. I'm not supporting it, I'm just saying it was extremely minimal compared to what the neocons want to do

2. That was a win by Trump, for all of us

3. He never said Mexico would pre-pay for the wall, he just said they would pay for it and they will. Not that I personally care about that issue. That wasn't at all what made me support Trump.




Here's some other things that 1/3 of RPF generally supports:

1. torture
2. maybe assassinate kim jong un "has heard worse ideas'
3. rip up iran nuclear deal
4. bomb the families of terrorists
5. 54 billion military spending increase
6. eminent domain
7. blind support for police


I don't think anybody here really supports any of that, except maybe some of the anti-Trump people who are paid/trolling and don't really believe in liberty.