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Republicanguy
04-10-2017, 12:41 PM
Hi,

Isn't somewhat obvious that Mr Paul wasted his time in government? He took in a tax payer's wage right. He may of gave back his pension, because simply didn't need it.

But overall his whole career as a liberty politician was a waste of his time, and money. ;)

William Tell
04-10-2017, 12:45 PM
No. Since this site is here for you to troll he clearly didn't waste his time.

tod evans
04-10-2017, 12:58 PM
Dr. Paul you disrespectful commie..........:mad:

Republicanguy
04-10-2017, 01:11 PM
Now, don't be a zealot. Be critical.

If a Libertarian got elected, I'd be stating my point.

Cleaner44
04-10-2017, 01:16 PM
It depends on how you measure success. If your goal is to free minds, help people learn about the dangers of the Federal Reserve, promote liberty and defend the Constitution, then no Dr Paul didn't waste his time.

jllundqu
04-10-2017, 01:24 PM
Hi,

Isn't somewhat obvious that Mr Paul wasted his time in government? He took in a tax payer's wage right. He may of gave back his pension, because simply didn't need it.

But overall his whole career as a liberty politician was a waste of his time, and money. ;)

Let's see....

Dr. Paul inspired an entire generation. He pretty much started the TEA Party, got Liberty friendly people elected in countless state and local governments.... we have Rand Paul, Justin Amash, Thomas Massie, and others in US Gov...

Ron Paul's contributions to human freedom will be felt for generations and history will look very kindly upon his works. You, on the other hand, are just a dumb internet troll with nothing to show for your failed life, so you come here to bash one of the last great statesmen. Go play in traffic.

"To believe the world can be changed to goodness...
It means to believe that sincere unselfish effort of ours to make the world a better place is not futile... that no sacrificial deed is ever lost, even though we cannot see for ourselves the result of it." Robert Laveaga

Republicanguy
04-10-2017, 02:01 PM
No Rand isn't like his dad, he is more realistic.

Typical ignorant response from a libertarian supporter, his idea of freedom is so long as I'm okay, nobody matters, and the poor they are lazy wasters.

If Libertarianism did have some kind of meaning, surely local government would of had candidates. I think Libertarianism is just like the Communist belief, Mr Paul always went on about the Soviet empire, or Cuba having a failed system, well his system of try hasn't been accepted anywhere.

I think business would just get away with what they could, and the poor a lot worse off.

His non interventionist position about conflict reminds me of Jeremy Corbyn, the loony left politician as many see him. He only believed three wars were worth fighting, and one was the Spanish war. Poll ratings are 25% what they were when Mr Brown was leader of the party, and country seven years ago.

And this rather serious, but sad, and amusing situation he found himself in just before the election he was going to lose.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTr8IVWBuPE


Only a society with some form of government, and social programs-taxation is a must. Other aspects, such as morality, depending may be some government influence, but on others best left to the individual.

oyarde
04-10-2017, 02:25 PM
Hi,

Isn't somewhat obvious that Mr Paul wasted his time in government? He took in a tax payer's wage right. He may of gave back his pension, because simply didn't need it.

But overall his whole career as a liberty politician was a waste of his time, and money. ;)

I wasted my time worked for the govt , but no Dr Paul did not .

Tywysog Cymru
04-10-2017, 02:26 PM
The state of the liberty movement might not be great right now, but it is certainly better than it was before Ron Paul ran.

Suzanimal
04-10-2017, 03:39 PM
Nope but you did posting this tripe.

- rep for socialists

EBounding
04-10-2017, 03:41 PM
Thank you for sharing your deep Concern of Mr Paul's free time.

Ender
04-10-2017, 03:49 PM
Hi,

Isn't somewhat obvious that Mr Paul wasted his time in government? He took in a tax payer's wage right. He may of gave back his pension, because simply didn't need it.

But overall his whole career as a liberty politician was a waste of his time, and money. ;)

Dr. Ron Paul changed my life and started me on the road to real education in politics and history. HE IS THE ONLY REAL STATESMAN IN MY LIFETIME.

Since this is a Ron Paul forum, my advice to you is

BEAT IT.

jmdrake
04-10-2017, 05:17 PM
Hi,

Isn't somewhat obvious that Mr Paul wasted his time in government? He took in a tax payer's wage right. He may of gave back his pension, because simply didn't need it.

But overall his whole career as a liberty politician was a waste of his time, and money. ;)

It's Dr. Paul or Congressman Paul. Not sure if you are being intentionally disrespectful.



No Rand isn't like his dad, he is more realistic.

Typical ignorant response from a libertarian supporter, his idea of freedom is so long as I'm okay, nobody matters, and the poor they are lazy wasters.

Your response is the one that is ignorant. Rand Paul wouldn't even have been elected to dog catcher if not for the support of the Ron Paul movement that his dad created by being "unrealistic." And ultimately Rand Paul's "pragmatism" caused him to do worse than his dad when he ran for president. Donald Trump ran as a radical, going on the Alex Jones show and Michael Savage show often, flirting with 9/11 Truth more than any other major political figure before or sense and have an "in your face", almost middle school bully attitude towards establishment republicans. In contrast Rand Paul avoided Alex Jones like AJ had Ebola, defended Mitch McConnell from the accurate charge of "liar" by Ted Cruz and generally played it safe. As a result, almost none of his dad's base was energized and some were energized for other politicians namely Donald Trump and Ted Cruz. And may of the college age demographic that might have jumped on a third Ron Paul run, instead went to Bernie Sanders. You couldn't be more clueless if you tried.

ARealConservative
04-10-2017, 05:23 PM
Hi,

Isn't somewhat obvious that Mr Paul wasted his time in government? He took in a tax payer's wage right. He may of gave back his pension, because simply didn't need it.

But overall his whole career as a liberty politician was a waste of his time, and money. ;)

he represented his district with such distinction millions of people in other districts fell in love with him and petitioned him to run for higher office to represent them too.


what a waste of time!


Curious - what have you made of yourself thus far?

ARealConservative
04-10-2017, 05:29 PM
this entire premise is so odd.

virtually nobody will reach the highest goal they have set for themselves.

If that means you wasted your life - you need to rethink your outlook because that is flat out depressing

Once you realize you will never reach the top what is the point going on?

For me, it is simple. I enjoy the climb! I highly recommend you try to as well, otherwise you will eventually also realize you will never reach the top - and you might wonder what the point to all of this is.

Ender
04-10-2017, 09:36 PM
this entire premise is so odd.

virtually nobody will reach the highest goal they have set for themselves.

If that means you wasted your life - you need to rethink your outlook because that is flat out depressing

Once you realize you will never reach the top what is the point going on?

For me, it is simple. I enjoy the climb! I highly recommend you try to as well, otherwise you will eventually also realize you will never reach the top - and you might wonder what the point to all of this is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRJ38y4Jn6k

anaconda
04-10-2017, 09:51 PM
Hi,

Isn't somewhat obvious that Mr Paul wasted his time in government? He took in a tax payer's wage right. He may of gave back his pension, because simply didn't need it.

But overall his whole career as a liberty politician was a waste of his time, and money. ;)

I can't think of anyone who has come close to Ron Paul's contribution to the people. It's the other 500 or so that wasted their time.

Republicanguy
04-11-2017, 08:52 AM
I just think the whole liberty view is a cult. I think people are deluded.

Nobody has gotten into local government. Until then, I think like Communism, libertarianism is the same, just opposite. The Russians won't vote in Communists. Then again, they don't really have fair free elections.

Ender
04-11-2017, 09:37 AM
I just think the whole liberty view is a cult. I think people are deluded.

Nobody has gotten into local government. Until then, I think like Communism, libertarianism is the same, just opposite. The Russians won't vote in Communists. Then again, they don't really have fair free elections.

You always have the liberty to leave.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toFm4CkDaUE

jllundqu
04-11-2017, 09:44 AM
I just think the whole liberty view is a cult. I think people are deluded.

Nobody has gotten into local government. Until then, I think like Communism, libertarianism is the same, just opposite. The Russians won't vote in Communists. Then again, they don't really have fair free elections.

I challenge you to present your ideas and defend them. How is human freedom based on a measured understanding of human rights, a 'cult'?

http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/4/0/7/3/1/a1780091-233-Troll%20Food%202.JPG?d=1206391971

Suzanimal
04-11-2017, 10:03 AM
I just think the whole liberty view is a cult. I think people are deluded.

Nobody has gotten into local government. Until then, I think like Communism, libertarianism is the same, just opposite. The Russians won't vote in Communists. Then again, they don't really have fair free elections.



You must spread some Reputation around before neg repping Republicanguy again.

specsaregood
04-11-2017, 10:16 AM
I can't think of anyone who has come close to Ron Paul's contribution to the people. It's the other 500 or so that wasted their time.

Clearly, the OP is one that thinks that education is a waste of time.

Anti Federalist
04-11-2017, 10:35 AM
Clover...

brushfire
04-11-2017, 10:50 AM
I'm here because of Dr Paul. I know many are here, because of Dr Paul - even the trolls.

Stay a while, challenge us, and challenge yourself. Just as with Dr Paul, you may find your time well spent.

That is, unless you disagree with me - in that case, pi$$ off you damn racist homophobe. Oh wait, wrong ideology... sorry.

Occam's Banana
04-11-2017, 12:08 PM
Clover...

Republicanguy is RPF's resident Orwellian prole ...

acptulsa
04-11-2017, 12:21 PM
How to be a New Era Republican--just take Barry Goldwater and add two 'W's...


Extremism in the defense of liberty is now vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is now virtue.

Republicanguy
04-11-2017, 08:28 PM
No,

There is no liberty country anywhere. You can't demonstrate one. For the least leftwing parties have proven some success, with center polices.

The only people who are being trolls are those who can't demonstrate this, there is only one Libertarian in the congress, a former republican party member.

In the UK, If many Labour politicians or hell even some Conservatives who said we will end the National Health service, they would not win their seats.

I certainly could never go private health care. But if the NHS was dismantled, it would just be bad. A society with no security, and people fall in difficult or uncertain times, it would be just bad. Look at America, I mean its really awful in some places, those here I'm sure would rather not go on about.

Yeah I guess the doctors are as generous as Mr Paul.

pcosmar
04-12-2017, 09:36 AM
I just think the whole liberty view is a cult. I think people are deluded.

Nobody has gotten into local government. Until then, I think like Communism, libertarianism is the same, just opposite. The Russians won't vote in Communists. Then again, they don't really have fair free elections.

And I think you look silly in your Socialist Uniform.

Care to re-post that? others here may have missed it.

pcosmar
04-12-2017, 09:40 AM
No,

There is no liberty country anywhere. You can't demonstrate one. For the least leftwing parties have proven some success, with center polices.


True
Centralized Government is the Error of Nimrod.

Freedom is not found in government.. It is at the edges,, away from the centralization that freedom is found.

Kotin
04-12-2017, 10:21 AM
Kindly Don't feed the troll ;) (could have sworn the zookeeper put up a sign, I'll check around for it ;) )

jllundqu
04-12-2017, 10:39 AM
No,

There is no liberty country anywhere. You can't demonstrate one. For the least leftwing parties have proven some success, with center polices.

The only people who are being trolls are those who can't demonstrate this, there is only one Libertarian in the congress, a former republican party member.

In the UK, If many Labour politicians or hell even some Conservatives who said we will end the National Health service, they would not win their seats.

I certainly could never go private health care. But if the NHS was dismantled, it would just be bad. A society with no security, and people fall in difficult or uncertain times, it would be just bad. Look at America, I mean its really awful in some places, those here I'm sure would rather not go on about.

Yeah I guess the doctors are as generous as Mr Paul.


“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.” – Thomas Jefferson.

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.” – Samuel Adams.

“Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!” - Patrick Henry.

“Posterity! You will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom! I hope you will make a good use of it.” – John Adams.


You have no friggin clue what you are saying because you were handed wealth, prosperity, and freedom on a silver platter by BETTER MEN than yourself. Let your socialist utopia come to fruition, as has been tried countless times throughout history, and watch you end up in chains or under the dirt. No, sir, when the government comes for YOU, you may not be so supportive of the state.

Republicanguy
04-12-2017, 12:24 PM
The problem with those quotes is that, that is over two centuries ago.

A lot wasn't known about people, or knowledge of life. We know better now. Yes people aren't angels.

The current debt in America is nineteen trillion, so who ever is a younger person in 2080 will be living in a country, bigger or smaller than it is now, with debt larger than the country's coffers will have.

Anti Federalist
04-12-2017, 01:08 PM
The problem with those quotes is that, that is over two centuries ago.

A lot wasn't known about people, or knowledge of life. We know better now. Yes people aren't angels.

The current debt in America is nineteen trillion, so who ever is a younger person in 2080 will be living in a country, bigger or smaller than it is now, with debt larger than the country's coffers will have.

Debt incurred by following policies people like you advocate.

jllundqu
04-12-2017, 01:23 PM
The problem with those quotes is that, that is over two centuries ago.

A lot wasn't known about people, or knowledge of life. We know better now. Yes people aren't angels.

The current debt in America is nineteen trillion, so who ever is a younger person in 2080 will be living in a country, bigger or smaller than it is now, with debt larger than the country's coffers will have.

"We know better now" ?? What kind of argument is that? You think people have changed so much in 200 years that oligarchs wouldn't hesitate to enslave or kill you if they could?

A simple exercise: Where do your rights come from? (This should be interesting)

Krugminator2
04-12-2017, 08:09 PM
No,

There is no liberty country anywhere. You can't demonstrate one. For the least leftwing parties have proven some success, with center polices.

The only people who are being trolls are those who can't demonstrate this, there is only one Libertarian in the congress, a former republican party member.

In the UK, If many Labour politicians or hell even some Conservatives who said we will end the National Health service, they would not win their seats.

I certainly could never go private health care. But if the NHS was dismantled, it would just be bad. A society with no security, and people fall in difficult or uncertain times, it would be just bad. Look at America, I mean its really awful in some places, those here I'm sure would rather not go on about.

Yeah I guess the doctors are as generous as Mr Paul.

Hong Kong, Singapore, Switzerland, New Zealand are all pretty far on the libertarian spectrum. They aren't perfect but good enough. The US for the first 120 years of the country was close enough to a libertarian ideal for me.

The fact that you are a proud mooch absolutely disgusts me. It is one thing if someone needs a helping hand while they are struggling to be successful, it is altogether another thing to feel entitled to the effort of others. I am not exactly a hardcore libertarian, but I would have no problem letting you starve to death.

PaulConventionWV
04-15-2017, 09:28 AM
Did Dr. Paul waste his time?

Maybe, who knows. It's hard to measure the impact of social movements. Either way, though, I'm not worried about it. I still loved Dr. Paul's message whether it was objectively a waste of time for the world is a moot point. Was it a waste of time for you? If so, then feel free to keep wasting your time talking about it.

But hey, I'll give credit where credit's due. The question is not in and of itself an absurdity. Dr. Paul certainly didn't know what the outcome of this would be when he started, so we certainly can't fault him, and if it was a waste of time, at least it was an effort in the right direction. If we all made some kind of effort, starting with ourselves, we have no idea how much better we could make the world. That's because we don't do it.

IBleedNavyAndOrange
04-22-2017, 03:13 PM
The current debt in America is nineteen trillion, so who ever is a younger person in 2080 will be living in a country, bigger or smaller than it is now, with debt larger than the country's coffers will have.

19,000,000,000,000? I'm not sure why that's a big deal? Do you understand what it means? Could you explain it?

I noticed you wrote "nineteen trillion" but didn't say what of? Dollars? What's that? Is there an actual value to it or is it some legally undefined abstract with no inherent value? Conjured from nothing, loaned at interest and impossible to pay off? That "nineteen trillion?"

19,000,000,000,000 federal reserve notes? I think that's what you wanted to write.

If you don't understand what it all means, there was a guy that wrote a book titled "End the Fed" that was a good read.

(Sorry for feeding the troll)

Republicanguy
04-22-2017, 08:42 PM
Hong Kong, Singapore, Switzerland, New Zealand are all pretty far on the libertarian spectrum. They aren't perfect but good enough. The US for the first 120 years of the country was close enough to a libertarian ideal for me.

The fact that you are a proud mooch absolutely disgusts me. It is one thing if someone needs a helping hand while they are struggling to be successful, it is altogether another thing to feel entitled to the effort of others. I am not exactly a hardcore libertarian, but I would have no problem letting you starve to death.

It is your inhumanity you should be disappointed in. Having a dog eat dog world isn't the answer to the future of interconnectedness.

Chester Copperpot
04-23-2017, 06:53 AM
what a douchebag

Dr.3D
04-23-2017, 07:04 AM
I just think the whole liberty view is a cult. I think people are deluded.

Nobody has gotten into local government. Until then, I think like Communism, libertarianism is the same, just opposite. The Russians won't vote in Communists. Then again, they don't really have fair free elections.
As if with our controlled media, we have fair free elections?

-Rep

tod evans
04-23-2017, 07:04 AM
It is your inhumanity you should be disappointed in. Having a dog eat dog world isn't the answer to the future of interconnectedness.

Why would you desire "interconnectedness"?

Other than to try and take something you haven't earned.....

Dr.3D
04-23-2017, 07:08 AM
Why would you desire "interconnectedness"?

Other than to try and take something you haven't earned.....
Yep, charity at gunpoint isn't really charity.

Republicanguy
04-23-2017, 11:33 AM
What people here are supporting is a free for all madness. A society with little government won't work. Government has done good and bad throughout history.

California was run by a millionaire governor who refused to tax the wealthy, and then the state went bankrupt as there was no money, where is the logic there?

There needs to be welfare, healthcare. Living in a society with just earn earn, and only earn will only be misery. Society must have a structure in place. It can't be me, me ,me only because you have earned it.

I couldn't afford an operation alone if I were on £10,000 a year wage or less or on the welfare or both. You are advocating the destruction of people's lives only because history has shown that reality was unfair, and it was especially without technology, and medical science.

I hope Mr Corbyn gets an opportunity to try and so something.

pcosmar
04-23-2017, 12:04 PM
What people here are supporting is a free for all madness. A society with little government won't work. Government has done good and bad throughout history.


Republicanguy is off the scale
and that is putting it nicely.

This country prospered,, and the people prospered when there was little government.

and has declined as More Government and more Socialist programs are instituted.

Less is better.

Dr.3D
04-23-2017, 12:19 PM
and that is putting it nicely.

This country prospered,, and the people prospered when there was little government.

and has declined as More Government and more Socialist programs are instituted.

Less is better.
Yes, it's called freedom. The More Government, the more laws and with each law we lose a little more freedom.

Occam's Banana
04-23-2017, 03:34 PM
There needs to be welfare, healthcare. Living in a society with just earn earn, and only earn will only be misery. Society must have a structure in place. It can't be me, me ,me only because you have earned it.

First, you bitch and whine about people you say are all, like, "me, me, me" ...


I couldn't afford an operation alone if I were on £10,000 a year wage or less or on the welfare or both [...]

... and then you're all, like, "me, me, me" ...

:rolleyes:

Hypocrite.

Krugminator2
04-23-2017, 04:36 PM
What people here are supporting is a free for all madness. A society with little government won't work. Government has done good and bad throughout history.

California was run by a millionaire governor who refused to tax the wealthy, and then the state went bankrupt as there was no money, where is the logic there?

There needs to be welfare, healthcare. Living in a society with just earn earn, and only earn will only be misery. Society must have a structure in place. It can't be me, me ,me only because you have earned it.

I couldn't afford an operation alone if I were on £10,000 a year wage or less or on the welfare or both. You are advocating the destruction of people's lives only because history has shown that reality was unfair, and it was especially without technology, and medical science.

I hope Mr Corbyn gets an opportunity to try and so something.

Schwarzenegger raised taxes. http://articles.latimes.com/2009/feb/23/local/me-arnold23 "Schwarzenegger defends tax hikes, applauds stimulus

California didn't go bankrupt. California's state income tax is 13.3%. The state with the next highest rate is 9.9%. https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tools/tax-tips/Taxes-101/States-with-the-Highest-and-Lowest-Taxes/INF23232.html

Here is the only thing I know about Jeremy Corbyn. It would be legitimate for the people of Britain to overthrow their government if this guy's ideas ever became the norm.

309065744954580992

Suzanimal
04-24-2017, 10:50 PM
Republicanguy is off the scale

LOL, I don't think I've seen that one before.

-rep

NorthCarolinaLiberty
04-27-2017, 01:12 AM
What is the deal with all these British guys like Republican Guy, Dr No, etc. on here? People like Zip and TheCount are from the states, but I don't really get the British connection. :confused:

Anyway, a joke to liven up the thread.


Q: What do you call a Brit with a 68 IQ?

A: Colonel, sir!

Ba dum tsss!

Republicanguy
04-27-2017, 07:02 PM
Today I was asked by somebody for some money, I said to them I didn't have any to give them.

I can just imagine what society would be like with so much changed. I think Libertarianism would be a bad experiment. Who would look after the children with no parents?

So healthcare removed would only be available for immediate treatment, but nothing afterwards without any money if not available.

Libertarian must be narcissistic? It must benefit the wealthy? What will that one Libertarian member of congress going to do? That lady who left the Republican party?

Suzanimal
04-27-2017, 07:34 PM
Neg rep

Occam's Banana
04-27-2017, 07:47 PM
I think Libertarianism would be a bad experiment. Who would look after the children with no parents?

No one. Under libertarianism, all orphans will be forced to die in the gutters. Those who don't will be shot and then fed to rich peoples' dogs.


So healthcare removed would only be available for immediate treatment, but nothing afterwards without any money if not available.

That's right. Under libertarianism, all doctors will be forced to work only for pay. Any doctors who try to help poor people will be shot and then fed to rich peoples' dogs.

Also under libertarianism, the members of any charitiable organizations who try to provide health care for poor people will be shot - along with the poor people they tried to help - and then they will all be fed to rich peoples' dogs.


Libertarian must be narcissistic?

Under libertarianism, anyone who is not a narcissist will be shot and then fed to rich peoples' dogs.


It must benefit the wealthy?

Under libertarianism, everyone will benefit rich people (especially all the people who will be shot and then fed to rich peoples' dogs).

Suzanimal
04-27-2017, 08:12 PM
Rich people's dogs do well under libertarianism.

Dr.3D
04-27-2017, 08:26 PM
Rich people's dogs do well under libertarianism.
Yeah, kinda makes me want to be a rich persons dog.

Suzanimal
04-27-2017, 08:36 PM
Yeah, kinda makes me want to be a rich persons dog.

My dad used to say he wanted to come back as a rich woman's french poodle, lol.

Occam's Banana
04-27-2017, 08:36 PM
Rich people's dogs do well under libertarianism.


Yeah, kinda makes me want to be a rich persons dog.

Under libertarianism, it is very important to belong to a rich person, especially if you are a dog.

Under libertarianism, poor peoples' dogs will be shot and then fed to rich peoples' cats.

Suzanimal
04-27-2017, 08:45 PM
Under libertarianism, it is very important to belong to a rich person, especially if you are a dog.

Under libertarianism, poor peoples' dogs will be shot and then fed to rich peoples' cats.

Dogs better make good life choices under libertarianism.

euphemia
04-27-2017, 09:36 PM
Today I was asked by somebody for some money, I said to them I didn't have any to give them

How do you have a computer and get on the interenet? Do you have two jobs?

Socialism makes people selfish victims of their own choices.

Dr.3D
04-27-2017, 09:59 PM
Dogs better make good life choices under libertarianism.
Dog's better belong to kind rich people under libertarianism. Same with cats.

Republicanguy
04-29-2017, 11:13 AM
How do you have a computer and get on the interenet? Do you have two jobs?

Socialism makes people selfish victims of their own choices.

I live with family. And the computer I own was £50, nearly ten years old. I don't have money for a new system.

I know about welfare claiming, I live in a social home, and my family members are recently employed. I have had some employment, not much. So i have the experience of knowing what it is like to be uneducated, I left school with poor grades, and didn't succeed at the college I went to. Depending on personality, and education, if you can't succeed, you can only do what is available.

The attitude on here is that I can be an investment banker, which I can't or work in a bank.

On this board I once read about a post of someone asking for food, it was sad, I appreciate the fact that a welfare system exists, had one existed for that individual on here, they wouldn't of needed to ask on a forum for food.

I know socialism has had a bad track record. And yes life choices can matter, last year I had spoke to somebody at a benefit office, a lady who had been employed and unemployed, she wanted to get a council flat as I mentioned I lived in one. I have lived in one since I turned twenty five due to overcrowding as I shared a room with my brother more than three years ago, and bidding for a property was what got us a permanent social home, obviously it isn't free, there is a cheaper rent than private rent, council tax, and anyone needs repairing, the council send a private company to repair anything or check the boiler, electric meter, usually once a year.

She was living with her mum, with two children and in her forties. I don't know where her partner was, but I guess separated. A bit of a bossy person. Some people just like to talk, I guess it makes them feel better when they are on welfare assistance.

I am left wing because of my reality and position, not necessarily because I want to rob the world.

What I see more now than I did years ago is, people are just so self centered to the point of being cruel. Nobody cares, so people have only god left.

Iowa
04-30-2017, 01:43 AM
So what if he did? Wouldn't that be his problem?

Republicanguy
05-02-2017, 11:24 AM
So what if he did? Wouldn't that be his problem?

Mr Paul wasting time? Well the point being was why be employed in government if its only to waste money talking about problems that don't have a solution with the beliefs he went into government with in the first place.

Suzanimal
05-02-2017, 11:30 AM
-rep

Dr.3D
05-02-2017, 11:41 AM
-rep

Ditto

Republicanguy
05-02-2017, 12:23 PM
Well the centre left won twenty years ago here. I don't remember a Libertarian party winning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJpyks_lPhQ

It was like if younger Tony could walk on water that sunny day as people like to remember.

Suzanimal
05-02-2017, 12:27 PM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Republicanguy again.

Republicanguy
05-02-2017, 12:30 PM
Seriously, one local politician where you live a Libertarian? What achievements?

Suzanimal
05-02-2017, 12:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjBoAQw7bgo

Iowa
05-03-2017, 05:06 AM
Mr Paul wasting time? Well the point being was why be employed in government if its only to waste money talking about problems that don't have a solution with the beliefs he went into government with in the first place.


You have somebody better in mind?

Iowa
05-03-2017, 05:07 AM
-rep


I can't give out neg reps. Don't know how many points I need to do that.

Iowa
05-03-2017, 05:08 AM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Republicanguy again.


lol

Root
05-03-2017, 06:42 AM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Republicanguy again.
gotcha covered

osan
05-03-2017, 08:55 AM
Hi,

Isn't somewhat obvious that Mr Paul wasted his time in government?

Depends on the standard of measure.


He took in a tax payer's wage right. He may of gave back his pension, because simply didn't need it.

Your point?


But overall his whole career as a liberty politician was a waste of his time, and money. ;)

If you think so, then for you it was. I see it differently. He helped me gain my orientation to the world way back in the early-mid 80s. As is most often the case, my thinking was a bit tilted and muddied by the idiocies I'd been taught as a child. Naturally rebellious, I knew something wasn't right about many things, but was unable to articulate the sense of it. Just a few of Dr. Paul's words was all it took to get be un-cockeyed, so really I owe him no small debt of gratitude, insignificant as his contribution may seem to casual eyes.

Ayn Rand, while not a idol of mine, did also contribute to set my orientation toward being able to explain to myself, as well as others, why liberty is right and why it is inherent.

Suzanimal
05-03-2017, 09:01 AM
gotcha covered

Thanks, Root. I finally got him.

http://i.imgur.com/RbHip3i.png

Republicanguy
05-03-2017, 09:56 AM
You are just stuck up, and don't want to realise the truth.

Lamp
05-03-2017, 10:57 AM
boo hoo

https://pics.me.me/next-youll-say-i-was-only-pretending-to-be-retarded-4584011.png

CCTelander
05-03-2017, 02:16 PM
You are just stuck up, and don't want to realise the truth.


Judging solely by your comments in this thread, you wouldn't know truth if it jumped up and bit you on the ass.

It's truly a shame that the kind of abject ignorance displayed in your comments is so prevalent in the world today. Makes me wonder if my own efforts at activism and education over the last 40+ years were a total waste.

Suzanimal
05-03-2017, 02:31 PM
You are just stuck up, and don't want to realise the truth.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Republicanguy again.

tod evans
05-03-2017, 02:35 PM
You are just stuck up, and don't want to realise the truth.

The 'truth' of the matter is I don't want to pay for you to exist....

Most people don't.

Republicanguy
05-03-2017, 06:04 PM
Sure, but a poor person in Arkansas as part of the Union deserves a little of your tax dollars surely?

I watched this candidate who stood for the Arkansas congress. I believe now. Reminds me of how London is on housing and the poor wage jobs, and how having a family isn't an option for being born in that city with such a low wage. Hmm, one would think reality was better out there. This is from 2012.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE8MsGRO-NA

tod evans
05-03-2017, 06:16 PM
Sure, but a poor person in Arkansas as part of the Union deserves a little of your tax dollars surely?

Not a fucking nickle.

What part of work or starve is hard for you to grasp?

Nobody owes you an existence, earn it.

This opinion is doubly true for 'single mothers' and 'minorities'....

Most civil people will help the handicapped and infirm and I'm in that boat....I'll help, NOT government!

Republicanguy
05-03-2017, 06:24 PM
Not a $#@!ing nickle.

What part of work or starve is hard for you to grasp?

Nobody owes you an existence, earn it.

This opinion is doubly true for 'single mothers' and 'minorities'....

Most civil people will help the handicapped and infirm and I'm in that boat....I'll help, NOT government!

What you state is very one way. And their could be single fathers, not just mothers.

How would most people help the disabled? Just by standing out somewhere and telling people? You don't think a welfare claimant or a low paid employee isn't entitled at all to state funded healthcare out of your tax?

I find it a little too good to be true. There is private health General practice here, I went once to one to see if they had a job role on offer with their stock of medical supplies. In London's Harley street.

tod evans
05-03-2017, 06:32 PM
How would most people help the disabled?


And this is the issue for people who share your mentality......

Without big-gov how would anything get done...:rolleyes:

Republicanguy
05-04-2017, 09:40 AM
Answer the question. You want to provide an alternative to centre left and right, with less government is the plan.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/04/obamacare-republican-healthcare-bill-nihilism

NorthCarolinaLiberty
05-06-2017, 03:32 AM
You are just stuck up....

Oh no you didn't say that! You are--like--totally rude!


http://cdn-wpmsa.defymedia.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2014/04/karen-gif-funny-phone.gif

tod evans
05-06-2017, 03:43 AM
Answer the question. You want to provide an alternative to centre left and right, with less government is the plan.


To whom are you speaking?

And who in the fuck are you to demand answers to a query never posed?

If you have in fact posed an unanswered question then quote the post, show the question and try asking nicely at least once....

If the sentence that you wrote, quoted above, is actually intended as a question to someone you might want to actually address them and punctuate and phrase properly...Or is Engrish a second language?

osan
05-06-2017, 06:02 AM
You are just stuck up, and don't want to realise the truth.

Posts like this reduce your opinions to irrelevancy. They scream "troll" and/or "no clue".

Do yourself a favor and take a different approach; one based in reason and the habit of making clear your reasons for holding a view. At least then the only point on which any of us might disagree is the opinion itself and not your apparent motives, habits, tones, and so forth.

Your choice. Have a good day.

osan
05-06-2017, 06:34 AM
Judging solely by your comments in this thread, you wouldn't know truth if it jumped up and bit you on the ass.

Never happen. Truth doesn't hate itself that much, no matter how ugly it might be at any given moment.


It's truly a shame that the kind of abject ignorance displayed in your comments is so prevalent in the world today.

Agreed, however let me point out that ignorance is only part of the problem, the attendant attitudes representing the real problem. Ignorance can be cured relatively easily with the cultivation of truthful knowledge, but the only way that can come to pass is where there is an attitude of open and honest desire to gain that truth, no matter where it may lead. That is the place where these toddlers in adult bodies fail so resolutely and why most of them will never be worth a damn even to themselves, much less anyone else. They don't want truth, but only to believe their own lies and fantasies and to spew them angrily at anyone not on board with the agenda of bunnies, light, and unicorn poo.


Makes me wonder if my own efforts at activism and education over the last 40+ years were a total waste.

They were not. Even though the battle and even the war is inevitably lost, which now seems by far the likeliest end to which this will all come, the warrior fights. He does so not because he concerns himself with winning and losing, but because he acts in pursuit of that which he knows to be right. Does it suck to see freedom die before one's eyes? Yes - at least to mine. Does the inevitability of our complete loss of freedom mean I should no longer fight against it? No. I fight because to give in to it, no matter how certain Theire victory, is to do the wrong thing. The warrior avoids doing the wrong things at all times and fights the good fight even in the face of no hope of winning.

It is a mindset and a choice pursuant thereto. It takes guts and the willingness to eat bitter for however long it is required, even if for life. Our mean contemporaries cannot fathom the attitude of the true warrior, seeing him as eccentric at best and more likely as completely insane and even stupid. The Weakmen are shamed by his strength and resolve to remain faithful to that which is right. They are embarrassed by their own lack of courage, faith to the good against evil, charity, and activeness, which are made sorely apparent in the presence of the Freeman. The burn of it, however subliminal to the Weakman's shriveled and sadly narrowed consciousness, leads him to his bitter hatred of the Warrior Freeman. Why else do we see thousands of young people on the streets of places such as Portland and Berkley, ironically spewing their bile in vented frustration while claiming to represent love and acceptance, as they attempt to reduce properties not their own to scorched and salted earth?

What is most important is that you have done what you know to be righteous, come what may in result. Winning and losing are nothing. Playing the game with smart faith to that which is righteous is all that matters, even unto one's own extinction. There are subtleties there that I will not go into here unless asked to, but for the most part, this is all one needs know in life - how to negotiate the game with intelligent faith to that which is proper and worthy of the Warrior Freeman.

Republicanguy
05-08-2017, 05:53 PM
What are you people on about.

The point is to bring a bit of justice to society, and make those who have money pay a little more especially the corporations and companies. While taxing the poorest.

The financial sector needed regulating.

If a centre left party can't reform society, then a libertarian party would only let those who are richer get richer, and those who are poor worst off. That is infantile thinking. Life isn't work hard and have only pennies and then just die. There needs to be some respect for people.

If Libertarian offers this, it doesn't show it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG0eduztteA

NorthCarolinaLiberty
05-09-2017, 07:54 AM
If Libertarian offers this, it doesn't show it.




I disagree. From National Philanthropic Trust:


https://www.nptrust.org/images/uploads/Screenshot_(1).png

NorthCarolinaLiberty
05-09-2017, 07:55 AM
More:




Individual and Family Philanthropy

Americans gave $373.25 billion in 2015. This reflects a 4.1% increase from 2014.1
Corporate giving in 2015 increased to $18.46 billion - a 3.9% increase from 2014.1
Foundation giving in 2015 increased to $57.19 billion - a 6.5% increase from 2014.1

In 2015, the largest source of charitable giving came from individuals at $268.28 billion, or 71% of total giving; followed by foundations ($57.19 billion/16%), bequests ($28.72 billion/9%), and corporations ($18.46 billion/5%).1
In 2015, the majority of charitable dollars went to religion (32%), education (15%), human services (12%), grantmaking foundations (11%), and health (8%).12
International affairs experienced the largest giving increase in 2015, receiving 17.5% more than the previous year.1
Charitable giving accounted for 2.1% of gross domestic product in 2015.1
Historically, charitable giving rises about one-third as fast as the stock market.2
Approximately 91% of high net worth households give to charity.3
On average, high net worth donors gave $25,509 to charity in 2015. By comparison, general population households gave $2,520 on average.3


Charitable Organizations: the tax-exempt sector

In May 2015, there were approximately 1,521,052 charitable organizations in the United States.4
There are an estimated 316,532 congregations in the United States in May 2015.4
Sources of revenue for tax-exempt organizations in 2012 were program service revenues, including government contracts and fees (73%), contributions, gifts, & government grants (21%) and lastly, dues, special event income, rental income and net sales from goods (6%).4


Volunteering (Individuals)

Approximately 62.8 million Americans — 25 percent of the adult population — volunteer their time, talents, and energy to making a difference.5
The 2015 national value of volunteer time is $23.56 per hour. In other words, Americans contribute $184 billion of their time to our communities.5
The top four national volunteer activities are fundraising or selling items to raise money (25.7%), food collection or distribution (23.8%), general labor or transportation (19.8%), and tutoring or teaching (17.9%).6
The top four volunteer areas are for religious (34.2%), educational (26.5%), social service (14.4%), and health (8.0%) organizations.6


Donor-Advised Funds

There were 269,180 donor-advised fund accounts in 2015.7
Donor-advised funds held $78.64 billion in assets in 2015.7
Annual contributions into donor-advised funds were $22.26 billion in 2015.7
Donors recommended grants from donor-advised funds totaling $14.52 billion to charities in 2015.7
Average donor-advised fund account size was $235,727 in 2015.7


Supporting Organizations

There are more than 57,000 Supporting Organizations operating in the United States.8
Supporting organizations have combined total assets of $76-billion.9




https://www.nptrust.org/philanthropic-resources/charitable-giving-statistics/

Suzanimal
05-09-2017, 08:02 AM
What are you people on about.

The point is to bring a bit of justice to society, and make those who have money pay a little more especially the corporations and companies. While taxing the poorest.

The financial sector needed regulating.

If a centre left party can't reform society, then a libertarian party would only let those who are richer get richer, and those who are poor worst off. That is infantile thinking. Life isn't work hard and have only pennies and then just die. There needs to be some respect for people.

If Libertarian offers this, it doesn't show it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG0eduztteA


Why do you hate rich people's dogs?

-rep

Republicanguy
05-11-2017, 05:37 PM
We all live in unfair world with exceptionally greedy people out there. You can't defend that, or corporations dodging taxation.

Suzanimal
05-11-2017, 10:13 PM
We all live in unfair world with exceptionally greedy people out there. You can't defend that, or corporations dodging taxation.

Indeed. Like the cowards who want to steal other people's money but are too cowardly to do it themselves so they send government thugs.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Republicanguy again.

Dr.3D
05-11-2017, 10:28 PM
Indeed. Like the cowards who want to steal other people's money but are too cowardly to do it themselves so they send government thugs.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Republicanguy again.
I touched him for ya. :)

Suzanimal
05-11-2017, 10:30 PM
I touched him for ya. :)

Thanks :)



Phrasing

Dr.3D
05-11-2017, 10:43 PM
Thanks :)



Phrasing
Oops... sorry about that.

Seems he's in competition with 56ktarget.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
05-12-2017, 01:49 AM
We all live in unfair world with exceptionally greedy people out there. You can't defend that, or corporations dodging taxation.


You sound pretty greedy yourself. Maybe you should stop dodging responsibility.

Republicanguy
05-12-2017, 07:51 PM
How am I greedy, is it fair to live in a society where the poorest have no chance of owning a home. You and the libertarian crowd only believe that the billionaire lifestyle will somehow trickle down to everyone in the western world. You are wrong.

The libertarian system is immoral. Giving via charity isn't in anyway to conduct a society. America is an example in many places of a society with no social democracy, only keeping the wealthy propped up, and would be worse off under a Libertarian government, which would be weak. Franklin Roosevelt was correct about the policies of the New Deal. A pension for every American.

Republicanguy
05-12-2017, 08:12 PM
When will you know the theory of libertarian policy will work? Where does it end.

Libertarian policies only benefit the well off.

Natural Citizen
05-12-2017, 08:23 PM
The libertarian system is immoral.

Be careful with this. A truly libertarian position is the product of a specific foundation for moral code which is the spiritual brotherhood of men under the common fatherhood of God. This is a concept which expresses the spiritual relationship of God to Man and, in the light thereof, of Man to Man and effectively government to man. As more and more people have flocked to libertarianism as a kind of fad, this foundation for moral code is gradually eroding. It's very easy for one to identify oneself as a libertarian and at the same time not understand what that means. More and more these days it is observable that people want to run with the principles but too often the foundation for moral code is ignored. The foundation for moral code must be accepted or rejected as an Indivisible whole with the fundamental principles. Otherwise one is invalidating ones right of claim to liberty's benefits fully.

What we're seeing evolve are a lot of libertines who just think they're libertarian. Unfortunately, this is starting to kind of redefine the idea of libertarianism itself. Even this forum.

Anyway. Just be careful not to make a false claim against libertarianism. Many times you have people who really aren't libertarian (although they think they are) making a bad name for libertarianism because poeple like you think you're arguing with a libertarian when you're really not. You end up saying bad things about libertarianism unfairly.

About 9 times out of 10, it's likely a libertine that you're arguing with. Not a libertarian.

Natural Citizen
05-12-2017, 08:28 PM
Libertarian policies

No such thing.

Individual Liberty isn't defined by legislation. If anyone tells you that it is, then, they do not understand liberty. Monarchists try to pull that horse pucky a lot when they say Individual Liberty is best applied by a worldly King.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
05-13-2017, 05:10 PM
How am I greedy[?],...

Using government to make others give you things.

Suzanimal
05-13-2017, 05:23 PM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Republicanguy again.

Suzanimal
05-13-2017, 05:40 PM
http://i.imgur.com/GQnXGZ5.png

Republicanguy
05-14-2017, 10:58 AM
No libertarianism is immoral, you don't need religion and some bubble god to dictate how to behave that is fascism, like religion. Only a sense of some right and wrong.

Saying that taxation is theft in the twenty first century is ignorant. We don't live in 1917 or in 1817.

Where does it end, when will you know the final theory a Libertarian society, freedom can't exist, anymore than the Communist's ownership of all land. This is simply wrong. No pay phone service for Armed forces, no shelters, nothing. Somehow charity will provide for it all.

A mad free for all, last person there takes all, winners and losers.

Liberty is just a myth.

Occam's Banana
05-14-2017, 11:14 AM
No libertarianism is immoral, you don't need religion and some bubble god to dictate how to behave that is fascism, like religion. Only a sense of some right and wrong.

Saying that taxation is theft in the twenty first century is ignorant. We don't live in 1917 or in 1817.

Where does it end, when will you know the final theory a Libertarian society, freedom can't exist, anymore than the Communist's ownership of all land. This is simply wrong. No pay phone service for Armed forces, no shelters, nothing. Somehow charity will provide for it all.

A mad free for all, last person there takes all, winners and losers.

Liberty is just a myth.

*yawn*

Don't you have a dole queue to go stand in, prole?

(Or do they do that electronically now, for the convenience of parasitic moochers?)

Suzanimal
05-14-2017, 04:00 PM
No libertarianism is immoral, you don't need religion and some bubble god to dictate how to behave that is fascism, like religion. Only a sense of some right and wrong.

Saying that taxation is theft in the twenty first century is ignorant. We don't live in 1917 or in 1817.

Where does it end, when will you know the final theory a Libertarian society, freedom can't exist, anymore than the Communist's ownership of all land. This is simply wrong. No pay phone service for Armed forces, no shelters, nothing. Somehow charity will provide for it all.

A mad free for all, last person there takes all, winners and losers.

Liberty is just a myth.

LOL, that should be easy to cut. I haven't seen a pay phone in years.

Republicanguy
05-18-2017, 07:10 PM
You are just self centered.

A pay phone meaning years ago military officers could make calls to their family members for free as they were a part of the government. I was made aware as far back as the beginning of this decade, free calls to family didn't exist where in the Union or deployed overseas.

Republicanguy
05-18-2017, 07:11 PM
*yawn*

Don't you have a dole queue to go stand in, prole?

(Or do they do that electronically now, for the convenience of parasitic moochers?)

You can't defend liberty, you just can't. It is a deluded system, like the communist system even though people interchangeably say socialist-communist. When there are some differences. Sure there are communists who encircle themselves with socialist mindsets.

Suzanimal
05-18-2017, 07:22 PM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Republicanguy again.

Republicanguy
05-18-2017, 08:08 PM
You don't care about society only the means for you, and you alone. Charity alone doesn't work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBYmeLBWjeI

Occam's Banana
05-18-2017, 08:52 PM
You are just self centered.

Says the spoiled and greedy little narcissist who wants to force others to give him stuff he wants ...



*yawn*

Don't you have a dole queue to go stand in, prole?

(Or do they do that electronically now, for the convenience of parasitic moochers?)
You can't defend liberty, you just can't. It is a deluded system, like the communist system even though people interchangeably say socialist-communist. When there are some differences. Sure there are communists who encircle themselves with socialist mindsets.

*longer yawn*

You didn't answer my questions.

Occam's Banana
05-18-2017, 08:57 PM
You don't care about society only the means for you, and you alone. Charity alone doesn't work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBYmeLBWjeI

Charity alone works just fine.

The only "problem" with it is that greedy, self-centered narcissists like you can't mooch as much from it as you want.

Dr.3D
05-18-2017, 09:59 PM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Republicanguy again.
Well, as usual, I have to follow you around and take care of your light work. :p

Suzanimal
05-19-2017, 05:24 AM
You are just self centered.

So?


A pay phone meaning years ago military officers could make calls to their family members for free as they were a part of the government. I was made aware as far back as the beginning of this decade, free calls to family didn't exist where in the Union or deployed overseas.

Don't join the service if it doesn't pay enough to make a phone call. Doesn't sound like a good job, anyway.

Suzanimal
05-19-2017, 05:24 AM
Well, as usual, I have to follow you around and take care of your light work. :p

Thanks, Doc.:)

tod evans
05-19-2017, 05:47 AM
How am I greedy, is it fair to live in a society where the poorest have no chance of owning a home. You and the libertarian crowd only believe that the billionaire lifestyle will somehow trickle down to everyone in the western world. You are wrong.

The libertarian system is immoral. Giving via charity isn't in anyway to conduct a society. America is an example in many places of a society with no social democracy, only keeping the wealthy propped up, and would be worse off under a Libertarian government, which would be weak. Franklin Roosevelt was correct about the policies of the New Deal. A pension for every American.

Who gives even half a fuck if the poorest own a home?

I'm in the work or starve sector, if you don't or won't work then watch your children starve, if you won't work wrap them in the same newsprint you call a blanket for yourself, if you won't work then spend your days picking nits from your childs hair as they wail in agony from disease and hunger...

Or integrate yourself into a neighborhood that will voluntarily support you.

To expect corporations or individuals you've never met to carry your water is absolutely insane.

Danke
05-19-2017, 06:22 AM
You don't care about society only the means for you, and you alone. Charity alone doesn't work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBYmeLBWjeI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JApAQlANyzg

oyarde
05-19-2017, 07:00 AM
You are just self centered.

A pay phone meaning years ago military officers could make calls to their family members for free as they were a part of the government. I was made aware as far back as the beginning of this decade, free calls to family didn't exist where in the Union or deployed overseas.

Officers free phone calls must have been a British Army thing . These days people have the net so the expense of overseas phone calls is eliminated .

oyarde
05-19-2017, 07:02 AM
So?



Don't join the service if it doesn't pay enough to make a phone call. Doesn't sound like a good job, anyway.
This is an excellent point . When I was in it did not pay well. LOL

Republicanguy
05-19-2017, 07:14 AM
That is nasty attitude. It is just despicable the callousness on here. Beyond belief.

I don't understand what motivates people with such a vile perception of how society should be. I get the point about one not needing to join a military, but the sad mindset about not having free contact years back is just sad. Those people fought or at least served their country. As much as I am a pacifist, service personnel at least deserved that.

I read this comment on the Guardian newspaper.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/19/labour-left-jeremy-corbyn-supporters#comment-98885437

Danke
05-19-2017, 07:18 AM
That is nasty attitude. It is just despicable the callousness on here. Beyond belief.

I don't understand what motivates people with such a vile perception of how society should be. I get the point about one not needing to join a military, but the sad mindset about not having free contact years back is just sad. Those people fought or at least served their country. As much as I am a pacifist, service personnel at least deserved that.

I read this comment on the Guardian newspaper.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/19/labour-left-jeremy-corbyn-supporters#comment-98885437



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W20P2od7V8

tod evans
05-19-2017, 07:29 AM
That is nasty attitude. It is just despicable the callousness on here. Beyond belief.

I don't understand what motivates people with such a vile perception of how society should be.

Paying for the likes of you is what fosters anger and resentment.

That and paying for the government that insists on supporting the likes of you...

Get a job and pay your own way!

Republicanguy
05-19-2017, 07:30 AM
https://youtu.be/ApYMfwA4a_A?t=2m18s

Republicanguy
05-19-2017, 07:31 AM
Paying for the likes of you is what fosters anger and resentment.

That and paying for the government that insists on supporting the likes of you...

Get a job and pay your own way!

You are a fool. The whole world isn't me or my problem, or my lack of achievement. You seriously ignorant. I suggest you watch Jeremy Corbyn's campaign rally.

tod evans
05-19-2017, 07:34 AM
You are a fool. The whole world isn't me or my problem, or my lack of achievement. You seriously ignorant. I suggest you watch Jeremy Corbyn's campaign rally.

Maybe som mour publik skol wud hep you..........

Good grief!

We've certainly got our share of wankers on this side of the pond but ya'll take the cake....

Republicanguy
05-19-2017, 07:40 AM
Watch his rally. Stop being a scrooge about society. Nothing good will be gained from it. You'll just end up being deleted. It isn't worth the misery.

Origanalist
05-19-2017, 07:41 AM
You are a fool. The whole world isn't me or my problem, or my lack of achievement. You seriously ignorant. I suggest you watch Jeremy Corbyn's campaign rally.

Shirley you jest.

Danke
05-19-2017, 07:43 AM
https://youtu.be/ApYMfwA4a_A?t=2m18s

Do you work for the government?

Republicanguy
05-19-2017, 07:43 AM
In 2010, there were nineteen million claiming some form of welfare. Ending any and all, would be a disaster.

Libertarianism is just an extremist dream. Nothing good will be gained from it. Only misery, poorer people, wealthier individuals. Some of you here are very deluded, and pretty nasty. You just have had some very nasty experiences and couldn't want more for the future, due to your bitterness.

Republicanguy
05-19-2017, 07:44 AM
Do you work for the government?

I could only wish. I don't have the education for a job role in any government.

Danke
05-19-2017, 07:45 AM
I could only wish. I don't have the education for a job role in any government.

You don't have a pulse? A bot?

whatever "education" you have received up 'till now seems to have made you the ideal government drone.

Republicanguy
05-19-2017, 07:48 AM
What bot?

Origanalist
05-19-2017, 07:50 AM
I could only wish. I don't have the education for a job role in any government.

I'm sure there's a role for you there somewhere. You have the perfect mindset.

tod evans
05-19-2017, 07:58 AM
Watch his rally. Stop being a scrooge about society. Nothing good will be gained from it. You'll just end up being deleted. It isn't worth the misery.

I'm not "watching" some socialist over there drone on...

I have actual work to do, you know the kind that one gets paid for....

"Deleted" :D Okay come on....

Republicanguy
05-19-2017, 07:58 AM
No, you people just don't want to see, health care, a welfare state to provide for those who are unemployed.

Your attitude isn't popular is would be lead to chaos. Corporations not paying any tax, just dodging it, so the country doesn't get their money to help pay for infrastructure.

Liberty the way those support here, I'm sure would be a disaster.

Republicanguy
05-19-2017, 07:59 AM
I'm not "watching" some socialist over there drone on...

I have actual work to do, you know the kind that one gets paid for....

"Deleted" :D Okay come on....

Yeah and many do. That doesn't mean a welfare state shouldn't exist. Just because you want to pocket everything. That is greedy, just like people expecting tips. A wage that sustains, and if enough to pay tax, fine. But anything else is just pure nastiness.

Danke
05-19-2017, 08:07 AM
Yeah and many do. That doesn't mean a welfare state shouldn't exist. Just because you want to pocket everything. That is greedy, just like people expecting tips. A wage that sustains, and if enough to pay tax, fine. But anything else is just pure nastiness.

Go troll somewhere else.

Suzanimal
05-19-2017, 03:25 PM
Yeah and many do. That doesn't mean a welfare state shouldn't exist. Just because you want to pocket everything. That is greedy, just like people expecting tips.

So we shouldn't work hard to earn money and save it to feed, educate, and give our children a nice start in life and save so we can retire one day, we should give it to the government to redistribute?


A wage that sustains, and if enough to pay tax, fine.

You'd better hope like hell there are folks like us who earn enough to pay tax or your ass would starve.


But anything else is just pure nastiness.

I think it's pure nastiness of you to think you're entitled to anything I've worked hard for.

Krugminator2
05-19-2017, 08:17 PM
No, you people just don't want to see, health care, a welfare state to provide for those who are unemployed.

Your attitude isn't popular is would be lead to chaos. Corporations not paying any tax, just dodging it, so the country doesn't get their money to help pay for infrastructure.

Liberty the way those support here, I'm sure would be a disaster.

1. Corporate taxes are only 11% of total tax receipts.
http://www.cbpp.org/sites/default/files/styles/report_371px/public/atoms/files/3-4-16tax-policybasics-f1.png?itok=CHquVpgR

2. Infrastructure spending is only 2% of all federal spending. If you eliminated corporate taxes it would have zero effect on infrastructure spending.
http://www.cbpp.org/sites/default/files/styles/report_371px/public/atoms/files/3-4-16bud-policybasics_2.png?itok=fqita01H
3. Corporations don't pay taxes. People do. If you lowered the corporate tax rates to zero, that doesn't mean you would collect those taxes. If the corporate tax rate went to zero companies would either pay shareholders a dividend which would be taxed, they could reinvest and shareholders would pay a tax on increased capital gains, or they could pay their workers more and that money that would be taxed.


There are people I genuinely have sympathy for. You are not one of those people. Giving you welfare is not an act of compassion. A kick in the ass would be an act of compassion. Western society tolerates underachievement, so you won't starve to death if you don't push yourself. But just for your own self-esteem. It is impossible for someone to be happy and to be leeching off the government. Here is a guy with no arms and no legs being productive. http://www.jamesaltucher.com/2017/05/jon-morrow/

merkelstan
05-19-2017, 08:51 PM
Obviously we need a welfood state, and a wellshoes state, and a wellentertainment state, and a wellgulag state as well, because how could the market provide those?

Danke
05-19-2017, 09:23 PM
1. Corporate taxes are only 11% of total tax receipts.
http://www.cbpp.org/sites/default/files/styles/report_371px/public/atoms/files/3-4-16tax-policybasics-f1.png?itok=CHquVpgR

2. Infrastructure spending is only 2% of all federal spending. If you eliminated corporate taxes it would have zero effect on infrastructure spending.
http://www.cbpp.org/sites/default/files/styles/report_371px/public/atoms/files/3-4-16bud-policybasics_2.png?itok=fqita01H
3. Corporations don't pay taxes. People do. If you lowered the corporate tax rates to zero, that doesn't mean you would collect those taxes. If the corporate tax rate went to zero companies would either pay shareholders a dividend which would be taxed, they could reinvest and shareholders would pay a tax on increased capital gains, or they could pay their workers more and that money that would be taxed.


There are people I genuinely have sympathy for. You are not one of those people. Giving you welfare is not an act of compassion. A kick in the ass would be an act of compassion. Western society tolerates underachievement, so you won't starve to death if you don't push yourself. But just for your own self-esteem. It is impossible for someone to be happy and to be leeching off the government. Here is a guy with no arms and no legs being productive. http://www.jamesaltucher.com/2017/05/jon-morrow/


yep, corporations don't pay taxes. Consumers, employees and stakeholders do.

roho76
05-20-2017, 03:05 AM
I think his contribution to society is too large to be talked about in history books and that's ok because it's for a good cause. He sparked, in me, an angst and yearning to be free. His affect on me cannot be measured, but it is there. His voice on stage during debates, that the entire planet was watching, was heard. This is why he had fans all around the world. The average joe knew nothing of the federal reserve, the leading producer of human misery, and now they do. Ron Paul's affect upon the world is immeasurable due to its immense scale. And that's ok.

Republicanguy
05-20-2017, 06:04 PM
I don't know if the entire planet was watching, may be for his foreign policy mindset. Even people in my own country thought the Socialist party's leader of non intervention and peace was somehow a destruction of the UK.

But ultimately, security has been measured by somebody in charge.

As for domestic policy, Libertarian idea can't work. The only way in theory this could be tried, is if a new nation was formed with that belief that one is the sole provider for him or herself, that is the only way you so called Liberty nuts could try your experiment out. As for the world, it won't happen, I'm sure of it. Feel good reasons or not, people aren't that self centered for such a belief, it is too extreme.

Cuba may of changed a little, but the communist party is finished. That was pretty poor.

Occam's Banana
05-20-2017, 07:22 PM
[... libertarians believe] that one is the sole provider for him or herself [...]

neg-rep for being a mealy-mouthed liar - as well as a greedy narcissist who wants to steal from other people in order to get what he wants (or rather, who wants other people to steal what he wants for him, because he's a coward as well as a parasitic moocher ...)

Anti Federalist
05-22-2017, 03:48 AM
Liberty is just a myth.

To you and billions of your fellow travelers, I'm quite sure it is.

Such is the human condition.

Those few of us with vision and foresight and the desire to see humanity reach it's fullest potential, to be something beyond a chess piece on some system of control's board, to have more than the crumbs off the Lord's table or a government dole "benefits" card, have had to fight and extinguish and shut up people like you since Moses' time.

Every great leap forward that mankind has made, happened because, for a brief shining moment in history, people like you were beaten back and human liberty was allowed to root.

Assuming I'm not talking to a sock puppet or "bot" of some kind, people like you, with a mindset like yours, foster the very worst in people, you amplify greed, envy, want, apathy, sly sneaking cunning and mental torpor.

You preach that the end always justifies the means in the pursuit of getting "your fair share".

And because of that, the world has had sit in the corner with a flaming dunce cap on its head on more than occasion as the stink of the dead reached to heaven...

God damn you, and all you stand for and all your fellow travelers.

pcosmar
05-23-2017, 10:06 AM
You'll just end up being deleted. It isn't worth the misery.

I am not that easily deleted.

I am a witness of the Crime.

jllundqu
05-23-2017, 10:18 AM
That is nasty attitude. It is just despicable the callousness on here. Beyond belief.

I don't understand what motivates people with such a vile perception of how society should be. I get the point about one not needing to join a military, but the sad mindset about not having free contact years back is just sad. Those people fought or at least served their country. As much as I am a pacifist, service personnel at least deserved that.

I read this comment on the Guardian newspaper.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/19/labour-left-jeremy-corbyn-supporters#comment-98885437

I served in the Army. I served 2 tours and 27 months in Iraq. The only phonecalls I made were from a journalist's sat phone she let us use, and from donated pre-paid phone cards with 'minutes' on them. They were donated by Americans, and not paid for by the tax payer. Don't presume to denigrate the people of these forums on behalf of 'those who served.' You are a coward.

Please for the love of god, you are not here to educate yourself. You don't have the capacity to even begin to understand what rights are, where they come from, or the proper role of government.

Take your goose-stepping-government-controls-everything bullshit back to the fringes of the progressive left where it belongs. Quit using up all our 1s and 0s here on RPF... a site dedicated to the principles of self-ownership, peace, and prosperity.

jllundqu
05-23-2017, 10:21 AM
To you and billions of your fellow travelers, I'm quite sure it is.

Such is the human condition.

Those few of us with vision and foresight and the desire to see humanity reach it's fullest potential, to be something beyond a chess piece on some system of control's board, to have more than the crumbs off the Lord's table or a government dole "benefits" card, have had to fight and extinguish and shut up people like you since Moses' time.

Every great leap forward that mankind has made, happened because, for a brief shining moment in history, people like you were beaten back and human liberty was allowed to root.

Assuming I'm not talking to a sock puppet or "bot" of some kind, people like you, with a mindset like yours, foster the very worst in people, you amplify greed, envy, want, apathy, sly sneaking cunning and mental torpor.

You preach that the end always justifies the means in the pursuit of getting "your fair share".

And because of that, the world has had sit in the corner with a flaming dunce cap on its head on more than occasion as the stink of the dead reached to heaven...

God damn you, and all you stand for and all your fellow travelers.

http://www.avsforum.com/photopost/data/2376030/3/32/322883e9_the-rock-slow-clap.gif

NorthCarolinaLiberty
05-25-2017, 10:00 AM
Didn't Mr. Paul just waste his time in government?



Didn't you just waste your time trying to instigate on this forum? Or, is there something in it for you?

Republicanguy
05-29-2017, 06:04 PM
You people here are just so selective, and stuck in another world.

You simply don't care. You are fine to go to work if you are employed and think everyone is just like you, and that is all you think, with a dose of pro life and superstition for some of you that tends to take over the libertarian crowd. So much contradiction.

tod evans
05-29-2017, 06:30 PM
You people here are just so selective, and stuck in another world.

You simply don't care. You are fine to go to work if you are employed and think everyone is just like you, and that is all you think, with a dose of pro life and superstition for some of you that tends to take over the libertarian crowd. So much contradiction.

Got me pegged.

I could give a fuck if you eat or have a roof.

Friends and neighbors is as far as my generosity goes.

Republicanguy
05-29-2017, 07:39 PM
You just keep thinking that when you don't have money, and there is no government there to help you, only your poor friends and family, who may or may not be around to help you. Except for charity which simply isn't good with no money.

I suggest you take a moderate and better path, in the long run its beneficial for all. Roosevelt wasn't wrong on his society outlook.

Anti Federalist
05-29-2017, 07:51 PM
You just keep thinking that when you don't have money, and there is no government there to help you, only your poor friends and family, who may or may not be around to help you. Except for charity which simply isn't good with no money.

I suggest you take a moderate and better path, in the long run its beneficial for all. Roosevelt wasn't wrong on his society outlook.

All Taxation Is Theft.

Republicanguy
05-29-2017, 07:54 PM
It doesn't matter. A society without it is worse off, it is sadly a price that has to be paid.

Just look what would go. Don't be so principled about this, it isn't worth the mess over some blind loyalty to an out dated fact about taxation going back to the rotten barons who charged for tolls.

Suzanimal
05-29-2017, 09:27 PM
It doesn't matter.

It matters to me.


A society without it is worse off,

Says who? Not me.


it is sadly a price that has to be paid.

By who? You?


Just look what would go. Don't be so principled about this, it isn't worth the mess over some blind loyalty to an out dated fact about taxation going back to the rotten barons who charged for tolls.

It's worth it to me.

-rep

Origanalist
05-29-2017, 10:10 PM
Are all Brits this stupid?

Dr.3D
05-29-2017, 10:10 PM
Are all Brits this stupid?
Well, what would you expect from that third world country?

Origanalist
05-29-2017, 10:19 PM
Well, what would you expect from that third world country?

I hear they're inbred and have rotten teeth.

Dr.3D
05-29-2017, 10:21 PM
I hear they're inbred and have rotten teeth.
And they seem to speak with an Australian accent.

Unregistered member
05-31-2017, 05:20 PM
One justification or excuse, depending on your belief, for the govt. not to shut down or enact restrictions for websites known to harbor suspects of sexual exploitation, including sites prevalent with scams and fraud, is that their small percentages would resort to hiding on the web in complete anonymity, in communities where they are much harder to try and trace. As it stands now, traffickers of one kind or another have a better chance of being reported and-or getting caught when using commercial sites w/ standard policies and legal disclaimers. Do you keep them operating for the long run, for how long, and what is a tolerable level of crime until they need oversight by a regulatory body to rein in? Of course, none of this is easy to strategize.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
06-01-2017, 11:46 AM
One justification or excuse, depending on your belief, for the govt. not to shut down or enact restrictions for websites known to harbor suspects of sexual exploitation, including sites prevalent with scams and fraud, is that their small percentages would resort to hiding on the web in complete anonymity, in communities where they are much harder to try and trace. As it stands now, traffickers of one kind or another have a better chance of being reported and-or getting caught when using commercial sites w/ standard policies and legal disclaimers. Do you keep them operating for the long run, for how long, and what is a tolerable level of crime until they need oversight by a regulatory body to rein in? Of course, none of this is easy to strategize.

No, it is certainly not easy to strategize. I think we need a good straegeum. What do you recommend?

tod evans
06-01-2017, 11:54 AM
No, it is certainly not easy to strategize. I think we need a good straegeum. What do you recommend?

At least three more fully funded and unaccountable government agencies...

It's for the children damn it!

Republicanguy
06-02-2017, 08:24 PM
It matters to me.



Says who? Not me.



By who? You?



It's worth it to me.

-rep

What do you know, not you. Like you know it all. How arrogant can you get. To deprive society of some kind of safety net is wrong. It is pure callousness.

Suzanimal
06-02-2017, 08:31 PM
What do you know, not you.

I know me. I spent a good part of my 20's finding myself.


Like you know it all.

I never claimed to know it all.


How arrogant can you get.

Depends on how much I've had to drink.


To deprive society of some kind of safety net is wrong.

I applaud charity.


It is pure callousness.

Whatever...

BTW, who are the "rotten barons"?


It doesn't matter. A society without it is worse off, it is sadly a price that has to be paid.

Just look what would go. Don't be so principled about this, it isn't worth the mess over some blind loyalty to an out dated fact about taxation going back to the rotten barons who charged for tolls.

Suzanimal
06-02-2017, 08:32 PM
Oh and I forgot

-rep

Dr.3D
06-02-2017, 08:33 PM
What do you know, not you. Like you know it all. How arrogant can you get. To deprive society of some kind of safety net is wrong. It is pure callousness.

It takes balls to work without a net. Ask the daring young man on the flying trapeze.

Dr.3D
06-02-2017, 08:38 PM
Oh and I forgot

-rep
Wow, he did it... he's lower in rep than 56ktarget.

Suzanimal
06-02-2017, 08:39 PM
Wow, he did it... he's lower in rep than 56ktarget.

He did this to himself.

Dr.3D
06-02-2017, 08:44 PM
He did this to himself.

I think he was trying to get there.

Suzanimal
06-02-2017, 08:50 PM
I think he was trying to get there.

Probably his greatest accomplishment.

Dr.3D
06-02-2017, 09:11 PM
Probably his greatest accomplishment.
But he had a safety net. Let's see him do something without one.

Suzanimal
06-02-2017, 09:13 PM
But he had a safety net. Let's see him do something without one.

That's just callousness. It's not like he's a trapeze artist.

Dr.3D
06-02-2017, 09:19 PM
That's just callousness. It's not like he's a trapeze artist.
Well, if he was one, he would be doing something constructive with his time. Entertaining people like that takes talent.

Then again, circuses are going the way of the dinosaur. /* sniffs for elephants */

Occam's Banana
06-02-2017, 09:32 PM
How arrogant can you get. To deprive society parasitic moochers of some kind of safety net is wrong. It is pure callousness.

Fixed (with another neg-rep because you're such an arrogant, selfish, narcissistic, greedy and cowardly parasitic moocher).

Suzanimal
06-02-2017, 09:42 PM
Well, if he was one, he would be doing something constructive with his time. Entertaining people like that takes talent.

I like the trapeze artists. In elementary school, we did a play and I was an acrobat.:cool: My stinky brother was a lion tamer and my mom bought him a whip.:eek::mad: By the time the play rolled around my dad cut it off to about three inches and taped it back together for the play, lol.


Then again, circuses are going the way of the dinosaur.

Blame the clowns. They ruin everything.:mad:


/* sniffs for elephants */

If I knew you irl, I'd send you this for Christmas. :D

https://www.thisiswhyimbroke.com/elephant-shit-delivery-service/

Dr.3D
06-02-2017, 09:44 PM
I like the trapeze artists. In elementary school, we did a play and I was an acrobat.:cool: My stinky brother was a lion tamer and my mom bought him a whip.:eek::mad: By the time the play rolled around my dad cut it off to about three inches and taped it back together for the play, lol.



Blame the clowns. They ruin everything.:mad:



If I knew you irl, I'd send you this for Christmas. :D

https://www.thisiswhyimbroke.com/elephant-shit-delivery-service/
Wow, they have Elephant Trunk Boxers too.

Danke
06-02-2017, 09:45 PM
What is wrong with you people? He has been here since 2010. And he only has four solid red bars.

Suzanimal
06-02-2017, 09:49 PM
Wow, they have Elephant Trunk Boxers too.

Very nice but those are expensive. The elephant shit is only 14.95.

Dr.3D
06-02-2017, 09:51 PM
Very nice but those are expensive. The elephant shit is only 14.95.
Yes, and it would bring back memories of my childhood.

It's nice to know you care so much. Thanks. :)

Suzanimal
06-02-2017, 09:51 PM
What is wrong with you people? He has been here since 2010. And he only has four solid red bars.

What's the T for at the top of your post?:confused:

http://i.imgur.com/QKoDgMv.png

Dr.3D
06-02-2017, 09:52 PM
What's the T for at the top of your post?:confused:

http://i.imgur.com/QKoDgMv.png

Maybe it stands for Trapeze?

Suzanimal
06-02-2017, 09:54 PM
Yes, and it would bring back memories of my childhood.

It's nice to know you care so much. Thanks. :)

I only send anonymous elephant shit to people I care about.:)

Suzanimal
06-02-2017, 09:56 PM
Maybe it stands for Trapeze?

Maybe. I didn't think of that. I can't imagine Danke using a happy word like trapeze, though.

Danke
06-02-2017, 09:56 PM
What's the T for at the top of your post?:confused:

http://i.imgur.com/QKoDgMv.png

what r u talking about, woman?

Suzanimal
06-06-2017, 05:02 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Xlg1NzH.png

I can only think of one word Danke would use that starts with a Q but I'm not gonna post it in the guest forum because I have manners. Two, actually, but I can't post the other one because it's banned.

The Rebel Poet
06-07-2017, 07:54 PM
It doesn't matter. A society without it is worse off, it is sadly a price that has to be paid.

Just look what would go. Don't be so principled about this, it isn't worth the mess over some blind loyalty to an out dated fact about taxation going back to the rotten barons who charged for tolls.
Without principles, there is no logic; without principles, there is no truth; without principles, there is no reality.

The Rebel Poet
06-07-2017, 08:05 PM
Are all Brits this stupid?
No.
https://pics.onsizzle.com/ap-images-castro-was-proof-wasnt-he-that-state-socialism-7403652.png

Danke
06-07-2017, 08:07 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Xlg1NzH.png

I can only think of one word Danke would use that starts with a Q but I'm not gonna post it in the guest forum because I have manners. Two, actually, but I can't post the other one because it's banned.

I miss Josh, he would have given this woman many infractions bi now. Brian (sic) is worthless.

DGambler
06-07-2017, 09:16 PM
Didn't read the whole thread, but, no, he did not... When I awoke, he was there and I found others of a similar mindset. I am indebted to him for bolstering my world view

Suzanimal
06-07-2017, 10:15 PM
I miss Josh, he would have given this woman many infractions bi now. Brian (sic) is worthless.

Bi? Brian?
Is your Y key stuck?

Wash your hands before you touch the keyboard, ya filthy animal.

Danke
06-08-2017, 01:07 AM
Bi? Brian?
Is your Y key stuck?

Wash your hands before you touch the keyboard, ya filthy animal.


-rep

Suzanimal
06-08-2017, 08:56 AM
-rep

- - rep

P3ter_Griffin
06-09-2017, 10:36 AM
I am thankful for how Ron decided to spend his time regardless of how he feels about it. I don't think the idea of liberty would be dead if not for Ron but I think Ron managed to cast the seeds much farther then other liberty oriented individuals and thus made it more widely known. I feel damn fortunate that I was dealing with my frustration towards government while Ron was running instead of Bernie or Trump in the same way I feel fortunate that weed and mushrooms were the go to drugs during my time in high school instead of the meth and heroin that is more prevalent today.

Occam's Banana
06-10-2017, 12:30 PM
You just keep thinking that when you don't have money, and there is no government there to help you, only your poor friends and family, who may or may not be around to help you. Except for charity which simply isn't good with no money.


Charity alone doesn't work.


The libertarian system is immoral. Giving via charity isn't in anyway to conduct a society.

SMGDH. Read the material below for an example of the "moral" system Parasiticmoocherguy thinks is so wonderful ... (you know, the one where charity "isn't good" and "doesn't work" and "isn't any way to conduct a society" ...) [See thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?509643-UK-Charlie-Gard-case-Doctors-can-withdraw-baby-s-life-support]



Britain's Top Court Won't Let Dying Baby Go to US

The British parents of a dying 10-month-old have just one more chance to win permission to bring him to the US for experimental treatment. Chris Gard and Connie Yates filed an emergency appeal with the European Court of Human Rights after Britain's Supreme Court ruled against them on Thursday, reports the BBC. Their son, Charlie Gard, has an extremely rare and fatal disease called mitochondrial depletion syndrome, and they want to bring him to the US for treatment. But British health officials won't allow it [...]

"How can they do this," cried Yates as the decision was announced, per the Guardian. "They are lying. We are going to America." The parents have raised more than $1.6 million on GoFundMe for the trip and medical bills. [...]
http://www.newser.com/story/244032/britains-top-court-wont-let-dying-baby-go-to-us.html


Under Socialized Medicine, The State Owns You

[...] On April 11, 2017, the courts in the UK ruled that Charlie Gard, against the wishes of his parents, must be immediately removed from life support and left to die. [...]

In most cases of government run medical care, with such costs, the decision is final. Care is denied and you are sent on your way. In the case of wealthy individuals, medical tourism is always an option. Approximately 800,000 people every year fly to the United States and another 600,000 to Singapore to take advantage of cutting edge and high quality medical treatment that is not available anywhere else. But with the case of Charlie, the £1.2 million price tag would have been out of reach for a regular family. We would have had another footnote for Statists to prove how the poor get trampled under the foot of the rich and we would then go about our day.

Except a major feature of the free market, private charity, kicked in wonderfully. Within a month of denial and discovery of the treatment, Charlie’s parents managed to raise the entire amount to pay for the treatment and trip to the United States. In a normal world, this would have been the end of the story. Charlie would have gone to the United States, received his treatment and we would have discovered if his already dire situation could have been mitigated or treatment failed.

But the NHS decided, for whatever reason, to interfere with this process. When Charlie’s parents attempted to withdraw him for this treatment, Great Ormond Street, a children’s hospital in Greater London run by the NHS, rushed to the British High Court to block his parents from doing so. As government court systems are wont to do, they sided with themselves and denied the parents’ wishes for further private treatment and gave an official court order that Charlie is to be removed from life support and left to die. [...]

Unlike the usual defects of public medical care, where resources are politically allocated leading to critical shortages for perfectly preventable diseases, such as the case of Laura Hiller in Canada, all the while claiming that medical care in a free market would be provided on a cut-throat system that denies the poor care. Charlie’s case shatters this self-proclaimed image. Here we have elements of the free market working as expected but with the government actively, and openly, doing everything it can to interfere with it. [...]
https://mises.org/blog/under-socialized-medicine-state-owns-you

So ... the NHS & UK government wants to murder a baby and force his parents to stand by and do nothing, but according to Parasiticmoocher guy, "the libertarian system is immoral" ...

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Republicanguy
06-13-2017, 08:41 PM
What is wrong with you people? He has been here since 2010. And he only has four solid red bars.

Sadly a number of users are ignorant, that is the problem. They think their on a high, whether you are, I don't know. But people are liars, they only care about themselves, even those self righteous do good religious people, better be upfront and state they aren't. Because either way its nonsense with plenty of prejudice.

I don't see it much here in the UK, but its every in the world.

What can one state, none of us care, and it feeds off everyone. Only good examples of social programs, and governance can give example, oh but wait, nobody cares about that.

Everybody in life is just a freebie, and a free loader who isn't working, and they are all filfth blah blah, and all welfare is bad whether short term or long term. Yep.

Centuries ago the barons used to charge a tax for people to go places, that is where taxation and the evil of it originates from.

Dr.3D
06-13-2017, 08:50 PM
Sadly a number of users are ignorant, that is the problem. They think their on a high, whether you are, I don't know. But people are liars, they only care about themselves, even those self righteous do good religious people, better be upfront and state they aren't. Because either way its nonsense with plenty of prejudice.

I don't see it much here in the UK, but its every in the world.

What can one state, none of us care, and it feeds off everyone. Only good examples of social programs, and governance can give example, oh but wait, nobody cares about that.

Everybody in life is just a freebie, and a free loader who isn't working, and they are all filfth blah blah, and all welfare is bad whether short term or long term. Yep.

Centuries ago the barons used to charge a tax for people to go places, that is where taxation and the evil of it originates from.

Charity stops being charity when it's done at the point of a gun.

Get the government out of it and it will take care of itself.

If there were no government involvement, people would be more willing to provide charity.

As it is now many don't think it's necessary to provide charity, because they are being robbed so the government can do the 'charity' for them.

Origanalist
06-13-2017, 08:53 PM
Sadly a number of users are ignorant, that is the problem. They think their on a high, whether you are, I don't know. But people are liars, they only care about themselves, even those self righteous do good religious people, better be upfront and state they aren't. Because either way its nonsense with plenty of prejudice.

I don't see it much here in the UK, but its every in the world.

What can one state, none of us care, and it feeds off everyone. Only good examples of social programs, and governance can give example, oh but wait, nobody cares about that.

Everybody in life is just a freebie, and a free loader who isn't working, and they are all filfth blah blah, and all welfare is bad whether short term or long term. Yep.

Centuries ago the barons used to charge a tax for people to go places, that is where taxation and the evil of it originates from.

Hey Parasiticmoocherguy, get your meds adjusted. You're damn near incomprehensible.

Dr.3D
06-13-2017, 09:13 PM
Hey Parasiticmoocherguy, get your meds adjusted. You're damn near incomprehensible.
Do you suppose that 3rd world country provides booze to it's moochers?

Origanalist
06-13-2017, 09:17 PM
Do you suppose that 3rd world country provides booze to it's moochers?

Maybe, but you can be sure they keep the idiots doped up. His posts are proof.

Occam's Banana
06-14-2017, 12:07 AM
Hey Parasiticmoocherguy, get your meds adjusted. You're damn near incomprehensible.

LOL. So I'm not the only one to wonder ...



Mr Paul is an odd guy. I think deep down he plays the game that the candidates have had to play, people the mass as fools, but walk a careful line with the truth about facts.

Ummm ... okay ... (just curious: is this your NHS-issued meds kicking in, or have you run out of them?)

Not to walk a careful line, but the truth about facts is that Parasiticmoocherguy has a strong tendency to gibber incoherently.

Suzanimal
06-14-2017, 05:15 AM
Sadly a number of users are ignorant, that is the problem. They think their on a high, whether you are, I don't know.

*theiyr're



But people are liars, they only care about themselves, even those self righteous do good religious people, better be upfront and state they aren't. Because either way its nonsense with plenty of prejudice.

I'll pray for you.


I don't see it much here in the UK, but its every in the world.

Ignorance? Do-gooder, self righteous, selfish but not admitting it people? Good spellers? What are you not seeing much in the UK but in "every in the world"? I don't know where that is - must be my ignorance.


What can one state, none of us care, and it feeds off everyone.

Nope. People do care.


Only good examples of social programs, and governance can give example, oh but wait, nobody cares about that.

Name one that is cost effective and works.


Everybody in life is just a freebie, and a free loader who isn't working, and they are all filfth blah blah, and all welfare is bad whether short term or long term. Yep.

HA! you do read my neg reps but you forgot a blah. It's three blahs.


Centuries ago the barons used to charge a tax for people to go places, that is where taxation and the evil of it originates from.

Governments do it now and guess what? It's still evil.

Anti Federalist
06-19-2017, 09:15 AM
Sadly a number of users are ignorant, that is the problem. They think their on a high, whether you are, I don't know. But people are liars, they only care about themselves, even those self righteous do good religious people, better be upfront and state they aren't. Because either way its nonsense with plenty of prejudice.

I don't see it much here in the UK, but its every in the world.

What can one state, none of us care, and it feeds off everyone. Only good examples of social programs, and governance can give example, oh but wait, nobody cares about that.

Everybody in life is just a freebie, and a free loader who isn't working, and they are all filfth blah blah, and all welfare is bad whether short term or long term. Yep.

Centuries ago the barons used to charge a tax for people to go places, that is where taxation and the evil of it originates from.

https://media.giphy.com/media/11OO4x7JURZoTC/giphy.gif

Republicanguy
06-23-2017, 06:49 PM
Farage is a controversial person and not to be used as example.

Social programs work, but will cost. Living in a corporate free for all just leads to madness, but if you believe people are what they are and deserve nothing, then you will see the way you do, and not care. I hope you don't go hungry one day, and realise what is missing from the society you live in.

There is a lot of crassness on here.

Dr.3D
06-23-2017, 07:11 PM
Farage is a controversial person and not to be used as example.

Social programs work, but will cost. Living in a corporate free for all just leads to madness, but if you believe people are what they are and deserve nothing, then you will see the way you do, and not care. I hope you don't go hungry one day, and realise what is missing from the society you live in.

There is a lot of crassness on here.
Well, I can see the concept of working for a living is somewhat missing from your society.

Wouldn't we all love to have everything just handed to us?

That's called freeloading, and is not acceptable in our society.

Everybody needs to hunt for his own food and not sit around, hoping somebody else will do the hunting for them.

tod evans
06-23-2017, 07:13 PM
There is a lot of crassness on here.

Oh bugger off worthless wanker.

The Rebel Poet
06-23-2017, 08:20 PM
Farage is a controversial person and not to be used as example.
Sorry, didn't know I wasn't allowed to reference Farage. Any others who shall not be named?


Social programs work, but will cost. Living in a corporate free for all just leads to madness, but if you believe people are what they are and deserve nothing, then you will see the way you do, and not care. I hope you don't go hungry one day, and realise what is missing from the society you live in.

There is a lot of crassness on here.

"Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain." - Frédéric Bastiat (The Law (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html))

Krugminator2
06-23-2017, 10:23 PM
"Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain." - Frédéric Bastiat (The Law (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html))


It is remarkable that is an actual quote from around 1850. The same exact horrible arguments against freedom are made all day, every day 170 years later.

Suzanimal
06-24-2017, 10:43 AM
Farage is a controversial person and not to be used as example.

Social programs work, but will cost. Living in a corporate free for all just leads to madness, but if you believe people are what they are and deserve nothing, then you will see the way you do, and not care. I hope you don't go hungry one day, and realise what is missing from the society you live in.



There is a lot of crassness on here.



You cannot give Reputation to the same post twice.

Dr.3D
06-24-2017, 10:48 AM
This guy makes a post and then disappears for some time.

He is probably waiting to see how many responses he gets.

I'm not going to bite the hook anymore.

Suzanimal
06-24-2017, 01:57 PM
This guy makes a post and then disappears for some time.

He is probably waiting to see how many responses he gets.

I'm not going to bite the hook anymore.

I may not respond to every post but I neg rep every one. Sometimes I even try to neg rep the same post multiple times just to make sure I got it.:)

Dr.3D
06-24-2017, 02:53 PM
I may not respond to every post but I neg rep every one. Sometimes I even try to neg rep the same post multiple times just to make sure I got it.:)
Well, of course.

Gotta spread the rep ya know. :p

NorthCarolinaLiberty
06-24-2017, 03:04 PM
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Hey RG

Do you know Dr. No? He posts on here. I think he's British.

Republicanguy
07-09-2017, 08:30 PM
The woman on here is clearly quite stupid.

Nobody can defend liberty to its truest form, as the illusion so many on here like to dream too much of.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
07-09-2017, 10:09 PM
The woman on here is clearly quite stupid.




You're the one who appears to be lacking. First of all, anyone who has to call people names doesn't have much of an argument. Second, I honestly can't even understand a lot of your writing. It is very incoherent. I can't believe you're in with the ZippyJuan-Dr. No group. At least your fellow Brit, Dr. No, can string together coherent sentences.

Suzanimal
07-10-2017, 04:11 PM
The woman on here is clearly quite stupid.

Nobody can defend liberty to its truest form, as the illusion so many on here like to dream too much of.

What woman? :confused:

Lamp
07-10-2017, 04:18 PM
What woman? :confused:

This woman right here^^^^^^

Suzanimal
07-10-2017, 04:25 PM
This woman right here^^^^^^

I've been called worse by better people. :)

Lamp
07-10-2017, 04:34 PM
I've been called worse by better people. :)

Oh well I don't think that. Just putting it out there.........

Occam's Banana
07-12-2017, 04:05 AM
The woman on here is clearly quite stupid.

Nobody can defend liberty to its truest form, as the illusion so many on here like to dream too much of.

http://i.imgur.com/Q29ad9h.png

Origanalist
07-12-2017, 05:41 AM
http://i.imgur.com/Q29ad9h.png

Are those the moderators?

shakey1
07-12-2017, 12:23 PM
The good doctor has always had the American people's best interests (whether they realized it or not) at heart while in office... his record speaks for itself. I was saddened when he retired from office. He is a true patriot.