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AuH20
04-08-2017, 10:30 PM
Even the Israel Firster Kushner is wary of this plan. The man who replaced Flynn is a lunatic.

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https://medium.com/@Cernovich/h-r-mcmaster-manipulating-intelligence-reports-to-trump-wants-150-000-ground-soldiers-in-syria-83346c433e99


Current National Security Adviser Herbert Raymond “H. R.” McMaster is manipulating intelligence reports given to President Donald Trump, Cernovich Media can now report. McMaster is plotting how to sell a massive ground war in Syria to President Trump with the help of disgraced former CIA director and convicted criminal David Petraeus, who mishandled classified information by sharing documents with his mistress.

As NSA, McMaster’s job is to synthesize intellience reports from all other agencies. President Trump is being given an inncurate picture of the situation in Syria, as McMaster is seeking to involve the U.S. in a full scale war in Syria.

The McMaster-Petraeus plan calls for 150,000 American ground troops in Syria.


Two men were standing in between another U.S.-led war in the Middle East and McMaster — General Mike Flynn and Steve Bannon.

Flynn was removed after Susan Rice unmasked classified information concerning him. Bannon’s role within the White House was weakened by McMaster, who demanded Bannon be removed from his advisory position at NSC.

McMaster’s friends in the media, as part of a broader strategy to increase McMaster’s power, have claimed Jared Kushner and Bannon had a major falling out. In fact Kushner and Bannon are united in their opposition to McMaster’s plan.

If McMaster and Petraeus have their way, America will find itself in another massive war in the Middle East.

misterx
04-08-2017, 10:33 PM
I don't believe the part about Kushner and Bannon being united. If the rest of it is proven though, that would be fantastic.

AuH20
04-08-2017, 10:38 PM
I don't believe the part about Kushner and Bannon being united. If the rest of it is proven though, that would be fantastic.

I think Kushner probably wants Assad removed, but the optics of such a bold operation are publicly damaging. The entire country is war weary.

misterx
04-08-2017, 10:43 PM
I really hope it can be proven that McMaster is sharing classified info with Petraeus. Prosecute them both, and lock them away forever.

AuH20
04-08-2017, 10:46 PM
How many troops can Putin send if it came to this?

http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=russia

It says here that he has 766k in active frontline personnel at his disposal. If I'm Putin, I match McMaster's raise and try to drag the Americans into a prolonged quagmire that they can't sustain from a PR perspective. The conflict would likely stay conventional as well. There's even a chance that Washington would back down when pressed with an actual challenge from a military peer.

The wildcard would be Turkey.

misterx
04-08-2017, 10:54 PM
How many troops can Putin send if it came to this?

http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=russia

It says here that he has 766k in active frontline personnel at his disposal. If I'm Putin, I match McMaster's raise and try to drag the Americans into a prolonged quagmire that they can't sustain from a PR perspective. It would likely stay conventional as well.

Our total military including reserves is 1.4 million. Russia is at almost 2.8 million. If it comes down to boots on the ground, the US doesn't stand a chance against Russia. The US would be entirely reliant on Naval superiority in war with Russia. I think people will be very surprised to see how well Russia's military holds up against ours. Especially when North Korea keeps our Navy busy on the other side of Asia.

AuH20
04-08-2017, 10:58 PM
Our total military including reserves is 1.4 million. Russia is at almost 2.8 million. If it comes down to boots on the ground, the US doesn't stand a chance against Russia. The US would be entirely reliant on Naval superiority in war with Russia. I think people will be very surprised to see how well Russia's military holds up against ours. Especially when North Korea keeps our Navy busy on the other side of Asia.

I think Russia could possibly hang with the U.S. on the battlefield, assuming their AA S-500 missile system is as advanced as they say. The hallmark of the American defense network lies with it's air superiority. That's the aspect where all it's dominance flows from. If Russia could keep the skies over Syria relatively clean, they could frustrate the Americans on multiple fronts. In a total war scenario with no outside political pressures, the Russian war machine can't beat the Americans, but in this present scenario they have a shot to deter further action.

misterx
04-08-2017, 11:11 PM
I think Russia could possibly hang with the U.S. on the battlefield, assuming their AA S-500 missile system is as advanced as they say. The hallmark of the American defense network lies with it's air superiority. That's the aspect where all it's dominance flows from.

We don't have such a great edge over Russia in the air anymore. The SU-35 is a great jet, and as you said they have better anti-aircraft systems than we do. They only have us in raw numbers in the air, but I think it would be a wash. We have them beat in the water, but considering the battle will take place in their region of the world, that is less of an advantage for the US than it could be. Russia really doesn't need aircraft carriers. Then the Russians have mastered taking out electronics, cyber warfare, etc. They have more will to fight, and they have the advantage of positioning. If all else fails, they bring China into the war. It's suicide for the US to attack Assad. If that's what it takes to bring down the deep state, so be it.

CPUd
04-08-2017, 11:11 PM
Why would he listen to them? He has said he knows more about ISIS than the generals. A real alpha president would be barking orders at them right now and making sure they follow.

timosman
04-08-2017, 11:16 PM
150,000 troops == WWIII

AuH20
04-08-2017, 11:17 PM
Why would he listen to them? He has said he knows more about ISIS than the generals. A real alpha president would be barking orders at them right now and making sure they follow.

I only bring in the finest generals. The FINEST!

FAMOUS LAST WORDS

misterx
04-08-2017, 11:19 PM
I only bring in the finest generals. The FINEST!

FAMOUS LAST WORDS

On the bright side, if Bannon can prove to him that McMaster has been lying to him, then maybe he will let Bannon pick his replacement.

timosman
04-08-2017, 11:23 PM
On the bright side, if Bannon can prove to him that McMaster has been lying to him, then maybe he will let Bannon pick his replacement.

46D chess?

CPUd
04-08-2017, 11:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kul34O_yMLs

AuH20
04-08-2017, 11:27 PM
On the bright side, if Bannon can prove to him that McMaster has been lying to him, then maybe he will let Bannon pick his replacement.

Losing Mike Flynn brought us one step closer to WW3. I have to hand it to the Deep State. It was a smooth move dumping illegally obtained intel to the Washington Post and then crafting a fictitious narrative in the media without an actual transcript of Flynn's conversations. Pence jumped in and whacked the ball of the tee. Problem solved.

timosman
04-08-2017, 11:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kul34O_yMLs

This was very deep. I am feeling smarter already.:cool:

The real question is what if he is right?:eek:

AuH20
04-08-2017, 11:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0RQ8xe6neE

CPUd
04-08-2017, 11:40 PM
Losing Mike Flynn brought us one step closer to WW3. I have to hand it to the Deep State. It was a smooth move dumping illegally obtained intel to the Washington Post and then crafting a fictitious narrative in the media without an actual transcript of Flynn's conversations. Pence jumped in and whacked the ball of the tee. Problem solved.

Cool story can you tell it again

timosman
04-08-2017, 11:46 PM
Cool story can you tell it again

Are you saying somebody is overanalyzing the situation?

AuH20
04-08-2017, 11:51 PM
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AuH20
04-08-2017, 11:54 PM
More background info on McMaster.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/25446-trump-picks-cfr-member-for-new-national-security-advisor


McCain, in fact, did express hearty approval of Trump’s pick, saying, “I have had the honor of knowing [McMaster] for many years, and he is a man of genuine intellect, character, and ability.” McCain tweeted: “Lt Gen HR McMaster is outstanding choice for nat'l security advisor — man of genuine intellect, character & ability.”

MAJOR RED FLAG.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/21/trump-picked-new-national-security-advisor-because-of-tom-cottons-recommendation/

timosman
04-09-2017, 12:03 AM
MAJOR RED FLAG.

We are so fucked.:eek:

CPUd
04-09-2017, 12:04 AM
More background info on McMaster.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/25446-trump-picks-cfr-member-for-new-national-security-advisor



MAJOR RED FLAG.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/21/trump-picked-new-national-security-advisor-because-of-tom-cottons-recommendation/

http://i.imgur.com/EivRQ66.jpg



McCain: I Couldn't Have Picked a Better Team


Sen. John McCain on Sunday praised President Donald Trump's national security selections, declaring "I couldn't have picked a better team."

In an interview with ABC News' "This Week," the Arizona Republican also said he intended to vote to confirm Secretary of State Rex Tillerson.

"I have the utmost confidence in General [James] Mattis, General [Michael] Flynn, General [John] Kelly, Dan Coates," McCain said of Trump's Defense Secretary, national security adviser, Homeland Security Secretary and director of national intelligence, respectively.

"I couldn't have picked a better team. So I'm confident that he'll listen to them and be guided by them."
...

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/mccain-trump-team-tillerson/2017/01/22/id/769814/

AuH20
04-09-2017, 12:04 AM
All you need to know. Billy Boy likes to gloat when he and his Neo buddies get their way. Modesty isn't his style.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/bill-kristol-trump-steve-bannon-national/2017/04/05/id/782776/


Conservative journalist Bill Kristol said Wednesday that President Donald Trump's removal of chief strategist Stephen Bannon from the National Security Council was a victory for National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster.

"This is a story about H.R. McMaster, the national security adviser, who now clearly has control of the National Security Council, who is bringing in pretty mainstream Republicans and some bipartisan senior directors into that body," Kristol, editor-at-large for The Weekly Standard, told Jake Tapper on CNN.


"He's taking charge gradually, very quietly, of foreign policy to the degree he can."


"If the Trump administration ends non-disastrously, I believe historians will look back saying that the day that H.R. McMaster replaced Mike Flynn was a huge moment," Kristol told Tapper.

"He went from having a national security adviser who is problematic in all kinds of ways to a really experienced and savvy professional who is used to assuming responsibility as a general in the Army and who has really stepped up on this case."

CPUd
04-09-2017, 12:08 AM
All you need to know.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/bill-kristol-trump-steve-bannon-national/2017/04/05/id/782776/

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https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/827129094701797376

misterx
04-09-2017, 12:10 AM
827129094701797376
https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/827129094701797376

Sarcasm.

AuH20
04-09-2017, 09:59 AM
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klamath
04-09-2017, 10:24 AM
833774627788881922 Ok Trump supporter, who the hell appointed him? Care to answer that? It is always someone else, isn't it?

AuH20
04-09-2017, 10:30 AM
Ok Trump supporter, who the hell appointed him? Care to answer that? It is always someone else, isn't it?

Trump did. Horrible judgement. Trump was weak for succumbing to the artificial pressure on Flynn and then taking Tom Cotton's advice on McMaster. Trump is a big boy.

timosman
04-09-2017, 10:31 AM
They have more will to fight, and they have the advantage of positioning. If all else fails, they bring China into the war. It's suicide for the US to attack Assad.

What is our interest there?:rolleyes:

timosman
04-09-2017, 10:33 AM
Ok Trump supporter, who the hell appointed him? Care to answer that? It is always someone else, isn't it?

Trump is too dumb to make any decisions on his own.:cool:

klamath
04-09-2017, 10:37 AM
Trump is too dumb to make any decisions on his own.:cool: What? What, what? I read dozens of times how trump had a massive IQ when trump was running against Rand.:rolleyes:

AuH20
04-09-2017, 11:06 AM
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enhanced_deficit
04-09-2017, 11:19 AM
Don't know much about HRM but he is liked by Israeli military experts, so he's got to be a good choice for US and Israel:



February 21, 2017 4:25 pm

Israeli Military Expert on Newly Appointed US National Security Adviser McMaster: ‘The Right Man in the Right Place’ for America, Jewish State

Ruthie Blum


Dr. Eitan Shamir — a senior research associate at the Begin Sadat Center for Strategic Studies at Bar-Ilan University — said that nobody could be “better suited for the job.”
Shamir recounted being contacted some 10 years ago by McMaster, who had read and liked his book, Transforming Command: The Pursuit of Mission Command in the US, UK and Israeli Armies.


“He is a very warm person,” Shamir said. “The first time we met in person, he embraced me. Since then, we have remained in touch, visiting one another in Israel and the US, and exchanging emails.”
This warmth, Shamir added, extends to McMaster’s feelings about the Jewish state. “He was in the country many times; he has many Israeli friends, and I remember an event at which he called Israel an ally which fights with the US, just as Canada, Britain and Australia do,” Shamir said. However, he added he was not sure what the new US national security adviser’s positions were on specific internal Israeli issues.

As to how McMaster will deal with President Donald Trump’s goal of “wiping ISIS off the earth,” Shamir assessed that his friend would not recommend placing American boots on the ground in Islamic State territory. “I’m sure he has spoken about this with Trump,” Shamir said. “Of course, it’s the million-dollar question.”

https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/02/21/israeli-military-expert-on-newly-appointed-us-national-security-adviser-mcmaster-the-right-man-in-the-right-place-for-america-jewish-state/

AuH20
04-09-2017, 11:24 AM
We'll be lucky to survive this, unless King Theoden wakes up.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/266142/mcmaster-tried-bring-cia-official-who-lied-about-daniel-greenfield


MCMASTER TRIED TO BRING IN CIA OFFICIAL WHO LIED ABOUT BENGHAZI "PROTEST"

phill4paul
04-09-2017, 11:28 AM
We'll be lucky to survive this, unless King Theoden wakes up.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/266142/mcmaster-tried-bring-cia-official-who-lied-about-daniel-greenfield

Wait, I thought he was the God Emporer? He's been demoted to only a kingship now? And a cucked kingship at that. My, oh, my. Whoever would have seen it coming?

CPUd
04-09-2017, 11:36 AM
http://i.imgur.com/6aHdqi7.jpg

ILUVRP
04-09-2017, 11:38 AM
start the draft again , men and women , with no chicken/hawk deferments like cheney who said after 5 deferments - i had better things to do , limbaugh had boils on his a$$ , ted nugent who did not take a bath for a month and used his pants for a toilet for a week to avoid the draft , i could list a 100 more .

then we would see how fast they want to start wars and get american youth killed for nothing .

NewRightLibertarian
04-09-2017, 11:38 AM
Why would he listen to them? He has said he knows more about ISIS than the generals. A real alpha president would be barking orders at them right now and making sure they follow.

I know you are being facetious, but I really wish Trump behaved in this manner. A lot of these generals are just stooges for the war party. McMaster is clearly a Neocon viper.

afwjam
04-09-2017, 11:42 AM
I know you are being facetious, but I really wish Trump behaved in this manner. A lot of these generals are just stooges for the war party. McMaster is clearly a Neocon viper.

Correction. Trump is a stooge for the war party of big government. Trump is a neocon viper. Own this globalist cuck you guys promoted and voted for.

afwjam
04-09-2017, 11:58 AM
Trump is a cuck!

timosman
04-09-2017, 12:07 PM
Correction. Trump is a stooge for the war party of big government. Trump is a neocon viper. Own this globalist cuck you guys promoted and voted for.

you guys promoted....:rolleyes:

phill4paul
04-09-2017, 12:20 PM
Unless there is a false-flag upon the American public such as the magnitude of 9/11 I do not see the public supporting this intervention in Syria. Very few I know support it. The few neo-cons I know changed their way of thinking after I explained Rand response asking for proof (as always they thought we had definitive intel because...M$M).
Bombing them is one thing, 150k boots on the ground is quite another.

otherone
04-09-2017, 12:26 PM
We'll be lucky to survive this, unless King Theoden wakes up.


https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/76531785/saruman-the-white-the-hour-is-later-than-you-think-brah.jpg

AuH20
04-09-2017, 12:39 PM
quite bizarre.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8_cIcGVoAAya8o.jpg

undergroundrr
04-09-2017, 12:49 PM
I've posted this before, but it's especially good after Tillerson's comments.

https://dakiniland.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/c81_h-nxuaeor_n.jpg?w=590&h=429

AuH20
04-09-2017, 04:21 PM
The bastard won't stop gloating. He has to rub it in.

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AuH20
04-09-2017, 04:22 PM
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AuH20
04-09-2017, 04:41 PM
McMaster allegedly threatened to beat up Bannnon. He hates his guts and went on a verbal tirade that others could hear in the adjacent hallway. Video to follow when it's uploaded.

klamath
04-09-2017, 05:21 PM
McMaster allegedly threatened to beat up Bannnon. He hates his guts and went on a verbal tirade that others could hear in the adjacent hallway. Video to follow when it's uploaded.
Get over it! Your lunatic President appointed them all! If trump doesn't have the brains to make his own judgments it is no surprise because he didn't give a shit about educated himself about ANY of this and ridiculed people that did. Bannon was so stupid he pushed an executive order that clearly was a blatant violation of the constitution.

CPUd
04-09-2017, 05:22 PM
McMaster allegedly threatened to beat up Bannnon. He hates his guts and went on a verbal tirade that others could hear in the adjacent hallway. Video to follow when it's uploaded.

Sounds like it has gotten completely out of hand and things are going down completely opposite of what President Donald ran on:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frNW8Zan2vw

afwjam
04-09-2017, 05:34 PM
Sounds like it has gotten completely out of hand and things are going down completely opposite of what President Donald ran on:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frNW8Zan2vw

ive heard from some unreliable sources that it's not his fault, he was cucked by his daughter.

timosman
04-09-2017, 05:43 PM
ive heard from some unreliable sources that it's not his fault, he was cucked by his daughter.

He is a special snowflake. I think I asked in the past - is there a brain between these ears?

Superfluous Man
04-09-2017, 05:48 PM
This is what MAGA means.

This is what you voted for if you voted for Trump.

timosman
04-09-2017, 05:51 PM
This is what MAGA means.

This is what you voted for if you voted for Trump.

Dude, nobody wants to listen to this. You are putting people off. Do you realize you can win more with a carrot than with a stick?:confused:

Superfluous Man
04-09-2017, 05:52 PM
Dude, nobody wants to listen to this. You are putting people off. Do you realize you can win more with a carrot than with a stick?:confused:

Let me tell you where you can stick your carrot.

timosman
04-09-2017, 05:55 PM
Let me tell you where you can stick your carrot.

I am going to start to think you are being subversive to the liberty movement. I am sure you must be the life of the party if you ever show up.

AuH20
04-09-2017, 05:56 PM
Get over it! Your lunatic President appointed them all! If trump doesn't have the brains to make his own judgments it is no surprise because he didn't give a $#@! about educated himself about ANY of this and ridiculed people that did. Bannon was so stupid he pushed an executive order that clearly was a blatant violation of the constitution.

You need to read more.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/02/10/judge-napolitano-calls-courts-travel-ban-ruling-profoundly-wrong/


“This is an intellectually dishonest piece of work that the 9th Circuit has produced tonight because it essentially consists of substituting the judgment of three judges for the president of the United States,” Napolitano said. “When the Constitution unambiguously gives this area of jurisdiction — foreign policy — exclusively to the president.”

“That is why this is so profoundly wrong,” he added.

Napolitano was likely referring to Article II of the Constitution, which grants the president the exclusive power to engage in negotiations with other countries and appoint ambassadors, subject to the consent of the Senate. Baker Spring, a national security policy research fellow at the Heritage Foundation, said the Constitution “makes it clear that the President — not the House, or even the Senate — must take the lead in the making of American foreign policy.”

And for those who are blind.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKQoXzSXfeQ

pcosmar
04-09-2017, 06:47 PM
Sounds like it has gotten completely out of hand and things are going down completely opposite of what President Donald ran on:


how new is that?

klamath
04-09-2017, 06:54 PM
You need to read more.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/02/10/judge-napolitano-calls-courts-travel-ban-ruling-profoundly-wrong/



And for those who are blind.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKQoXzSXfeQI read the order. All I needed to read. Blatant violation of the first amendment added to Trumps statements throughout the campaign. made it perfectly clear it was a religious based exclusion.

AuH20
04-09-2017, 06:56 PM
I read the order. All I needed to read. Blatant violation of the first amendment added to Trumps statements throughout the campaign. made it perfectly clear it was a religious based exclusion.

Really? Then why weren't the most populated Muslim countries included then? Why not Indonesia, Pakistan and India?

CPUd
04-09-2017, 07:00 PM
Really? Then why wasn't the most populated Muslim countries included then? Why not Indonesia, Pakistan and India?

http://i.imgur.com/DF6MK9B.jpg

klamath
04-09-2017, 07:00 PM
Really? Then why wasn't the most populated Muslim countries included then? Why not Indonesia, Pakistan and India?Better question. WHY wasn't Saudi Arabia?????????????????????????????? Blatent stupidity written by two fat ignorant slobs. Christie and Bannon.

parocks
04-09-2017, 07:01 PM
This is what MAGA means.

This is what you voted for if you voted for Trump.

More of the same, foreign policy wise?

I was hopeful that we wouldn't get more of the same.

But we got more of the same.

I wouldn't have bet that we wouldn't get more of the same. I would've bet, if I bet on those things, that we'd get more of the same. And we, did, Israel got their way again. Israel always gets their way.

I'm pretty sure that "Israel doesn't get their way" wasn't on the ballot this year.

Those who supported Trump over Rand Paul might exist, but they're not the ones who are part of this conversation.

timosman
04-09-2017, 07:02 PM
Really? Then why wasn't the most populated Muslim countries included then? Why not Indonesia, Pakistan and India?

It is stupid to assume a ban targets a religious group unless it targets the entire group. It is sufficient for a single representative of the religion to be affected. What is so hard to understand here? /s

CPUd
04-09-2017, 07:04 PM
Those who supported Trump over Rand Paul might exist, but they're not the ones who are part of this conversation.

Except of course for the one who started this thread

AuH20
04-09-2017, 07:07 PM
Better question. WHY wasn't Saudi Arabia?????????????????????????????? Blatent stupidity written by two fat ignorant slobs. Christie and Bannon.

No, that decision has more to do with the Star of David, but that's a depressing topic.

klamath
04-09-2017, 07:08 PM
More of the same, foreign policy wise?

I was hopeful that we wouldn't get more of the same.

But we got more of the same.

I wouldn't have bet that we wouldn't get more of the same. I would've bet, if I bet on those things, that we'd get more of the same. And we, did, Israel got their way again. Israel always gets their way.

I'm pretty sure that "Israel doesn't get their way" wasn't on the ballot this year.

Those who supported Trump over Rand Paul might exist, but they're not the ones who are part of this conversation. Boy have you been under a rock. The OP admits to abandoning Rand in August 2015 and he spent months on here trying to inform us how noninterventionist Trump was.......

parocks
04-09-2017, 07:08 PM
Losing Mike Flynn brought us one step closer to WW3. I have to hand it to the Deep State. It was a smooth move dumping illegally obtained intel to the Washington Post and then crafting a fictitious narrative in the media without an actual transcript of Flynn's conversations. Pence jumped in and whacked the ball of the tee. Problem solved.

As someone who was not paying close attention to what was happening to Flynn, what I'm seeing is that the deep state (CIA or whoever) didn't like Flynn, and did nasty borderline illegal things to knock him out and replace him by McMaster, who meets with the approval of the deep state.

Fire McMaster, Hire Ron Paul.

It's clear where Ron Paul is clearly needed immediately.

timosman
04-09-2017, 07:11 PM
As someone who was not paying close attention to what was happening to Flynn, what I'm seeing is that the deep state (CIA or whoever) didn't like Flynn, and did nasty borderline illegal things to knock him out and replace him by McMaster, who meets with the approval of the deep state.

Fire McMaster, Hire Ron Paul.

It's clear where Ron Paul is clearly needed immediately.

Have you checked with Ron if he is available?:rolleyes:

parocks
04-09-2017, 07:12 PM
Boy have you been under a rock. The OP admits to abandoning Rand in August 2015 and he spent months on here trying to inform us how noninterventionist Trump was.......

Maybe, I didn't know that.

Trump has always been a question mark. No political resume.

And what we're seeing is that the awful usual suspects have taken control of the Trump foreign policy.

Fire McMaster.

klamath
04-09-2017, 07:16 PM
No, that decision has more to do with the Star of David, but that's a depressing topic. Trump would have banned all muslims but thought his two mastermind henchmen could write it to pass constitutional muster. They didn't. When you write it so ONLY MINORITY religions ever have a chance to escape the wars knowing full well the majority in those specific countries were muslim. If it was really about only terrorist supplying countries the Saudis should have topped the list.

klamath
04-09-2017, 07:18 PM
Maybe, I didn't know that.

Trump has always been a question mark. No political resume.

And what we're seeing is that the awful usual suspects have taken control of the Trump foreign policy.

Fire McMaster.
Sorry. No he wasn't. Everything about him screamed what we are seeing now. Trump appointed McMaster and all the other goons.

timosman
04-09-2017, 07:20 PM
Trump would have banned all muslims but thought his two mastermind henchmen could write it to pass constitutional muster. They didn't. When you write it so ONLY MINORITY religions ever have a chance to escape the wars knowing full well the majority in those specific countries were muslim. If it was really about only terrorist supplying countries the Saudis should have topped the list.

The Saudis own us. When they need somebody to drop a few missiles they call us and tell us what to do.

klamath
04-09-2017, 07:24 PM
The Saudis own us. When they need somebody to drop a few missiles they call us and tell us what to do. They own Trump, not me. So you elected a man that answers to the Saudis not the US. That fine nationalism Right THERE!

timosman
04-09-2017, 07:31 PM
They own Trump, not me. So you elected a man that answers to the Saudis not the US. That fine nationalism Right THERE!

Who elected who? What were you doing when this happened? Can you try taking a cold shower? You seem overly emotional today. This place is becoming worse than a high school cafeteria.:cool:

CPUd
04-09-2017, 07:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecjUsREKMuI

parocks
04-09-2017, 07:45 PM
Sorry. No he wasn't. Everything about him screamed what we are seeing now. Trump appointed McMaster and all the other goons.


What about Flynn? Wasn't Flynn first, and then McMaster replaced him?

And who the Fck really knows who those people are? Flynn, McMaster.

There was no political resume.

Is is not true that Flynn was taken out by the deep state / CIA / neocon whatever term you want to use? And replaced by McMaster?


On November 18, 2016, Flynn accepted president-elect Donald Trump's offer of the position of National Security Advisor.

On February 13, 2017, Flynn resigned as National Security Advisor

On February 20, 2017, U.S. President Donald Trump named McMaster to serve as his National Security Advisor following the resignation of Michael T. Flynn on February 13.

I don't doubt that you have a good argument there somewhere.

However, my innocuous statement regarding that Trump was a question mark is entirely supported by the evidence.

Flynn is not McMaster. You're seeing reasonable people leaving the NSA replaced by the CIA / Mossad types.

We're seeing a adequate / decent set of folks being replaced by worse people.

How were we to anticipate that? Or to know that. We can easily say "Israel won't allow that. They want what they want and they always get what they want. The deep state has too much invested in the pipeline going the route they want to allow Assad to route the pipeline where he wants it to go." We can say those things because we have memories of what always happens.

That's just baseline negativity, not supported by basic facts, but by general facts, which are present no matter the President is. And those general facts do make those determinations.

Yes, I get that the US is top sht country in the world along with Israel. But the part about Flynn being taken out by spying as the specific method they would use to get their way was not something that we knew anything about.

merkelstan
04-09-2017, 07:47 PM
"Satan got busy and lives got took." - DJ Quik

parocks
04-09-2017, 07:50 PM
Have you checked with Ron if he is available?:rolleyes:

Are you suggesting this is up to me?

timosman
04-09-2017, 07:52 PM
Are you suggesting this is up to me?

You sound like it is.:rolleyes:

Influenza
04-09-2017, 07:53 PM
LOL Flynn was not anti-deep state. Flynn would have tried to persuade Trump to send 1 or 2 of those missiles to Iran as well

klamath
04-09-2017, 07:53 PM
Flynn resigned and trump accepted his resignation. Trump told him to resign trying to protect his own ass. Maybe Trump should have taken so time to educate himself instead of ridiculing people that did. He didn't give a shit about anything but Trump winning, to hell with the country or anything else. He picked his cambinet by who suck his dick the best.

so is this the Flynn you trumpys are calling so antiwar?????

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/01/flynn-calls-out-iran/

AuH20
04-09-2017, 07:55 PM
Flynn resigned and trump accepted his resignation. Trump told him to resign trying to protect his own ass. Maybe Trump should have taken so time to educate himself instead of ridiculing people that did. He didn't give a $#@! about anything but Trump winning, to hell with the country or anything else. He picked his cambinet by who suck his dick the best.

Trump was a fool for surrendering Flynn to Pence. Well said.

Occam's Banana
04-09-2017, 07:55 PM
We'll be lucky to survive this, unless King Theoden wakes up.

King Theoden? Wait. What?

I thought your guys were supposed to be Theoden's enemies:

Think of the Alt Right as our Uruk-hai [...]

Now I'm really confused ...

klamath
04-09-2017, 08:00 PM
Trump was a fool for surrendering Flynn to Pence. Well said.

you mean this guy??? http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/01/flynn-calls-out-iran/ That sounds so noninterventionist to me:rolleyes:

TheCount
04-09-2017, 08:00 PM
I guess it turns out that a President who wants to make the American military stronger than it's ever been before also wants to use it. Who'da thunk?

AngryCanadian
04-09-2017, 08:03 PM
We don't have such a great edge over Russia in the air anymore. The SU-35 is a great jet, and as you said they have better anti-aircraft systems than we do. They only have us in raw numbers in the air, but I think it would be a wash. We have them beat in the water, but considering the battle will take place in their region of the world, that is less of an advantage for the US than it could be. Russia really doesn't need aircraft carriers. Then the Russians have mastered taking out electronics, cyber warfare, etc. They have more will to fight, and they have the advantage of positioning. If all else fails, they bring China into the war. It's suicide for the US to attack Assad. If that's what it takes to bring down the deep state, so be it.

After this failed war, deep state should exposed and Mainstream news media outlets for their war crimes in Syria and Libya. CNN should closed down.

AuH20
04-09-2017, 08:03 PM
you mean this guy??? http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/01/flynn-calls-out-iran/ That sounds so noninterventionist to me:rolleyes:

Not a noninterventionist or a neocon. A very talented spymaster who uncovered the damning origins of ISIS as the head of the DIA. That's why he was primarily purged and replaced with a CFR type like McMaster. Colin Powell even privately railed that Flynn was "rebellious and insubordinate", which may as well been an endorsement from my perspective. If I was looking for qualities in a future NSA director, 'rebellious' and 'insubordinate' would be at the top of the list. It's the conformists which allow the deep state to operate in secrecy.

klamath
04-09-2017, 08:07 PM
Not a noninterventionist or a neocon. A very talented spymaster who uncovered the damning origins of ISIS as the head of the DIA. That's why he was primarily purged and replaced with a CFR type like McMaster. Colin Powell even privately railed that Flynn was "rebellious and insubordinate", which may as well been an endorsement from my perspective. I don't give a shit what kind of talented spymaster he was, What I care about not having my grandkids die in Trumps goddamned wars!

klamath
04-09-2017, 08:09 PM
Trump is officially a neocon now. Regime change in Syria is now the mantra from his administration.

CPUd
04-09-2017, 08:10 PM
I guess it turns out that a President who wants to make the American military stronger than it's ever been before also wants to use it. Who'da thunk?

Wait till he realizes it is improving his polling, he'll be de-escalating the shit out of the Middle East.

AuH20
04-09-2017, 08:10 PM
I don't give a $#@! what kind of talented spymaster he was, What I care about not having my grandkids die in Trumps goddamned wars!

Flynn was Trump's shield from fabricated intelligence. Look at Trump's decisions since Flynn was ousted. He's firing missiles into Syria.

Jan2017
04-09-2017, 08:12 PM
Trump would have banned all muslims but thought his two mastermind henchmen could write it to pass constitutional muster. They didn't. When you write it so ONLY MINORITY religions ever have a chance to escape the wars knowing full well the majority in those specific countries were muslim. If it was really about only terrorist supplying countries the Saudis should have topped the list.

I understood that the seven nations were in a 90 day temporary ban, chosen because those nations were not able to verify identities sufficiently to come to US.

Pakistan met the degree of vetting the new administration wanted to have established . . . also Saudia Arabia, etc. - but not those seven.

klamath
04-09-2017, 08:12 PM
Flynn was Trump's shield from fabricated intelligence. Look at the Trump's decisions since Flynn was ousted. He's firing missiles into Syria. You mean when Trump told him to resign, right. This is ALL trumps fucking doing.

CPUd
04-09-2017, 08:13 PM
http://i.imgur.com/4K6fbEi.png

AuH20
04-09-2017, 08:14 PM
You mean when Trump told him to resign, right. This is ALL trumps $#@!ing doing.

Absolutely. No one to blame but Trump. Trump could have not accepted his resignation.

AuH20
04-09-2017, 08:19 PM
Listen to Bibi. He knows everything.

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unknown
04-09-2017, 08:19 PM
Even the Israel Firster Kushner is wary of this plan. The man who replaced Flynn is a lunatic.

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https://medium.com/@Cernovich/h-r-mcmaster-manipulating-intelligence-reports-to-trump-wants-150-000-ground-soldiers-in-syria-83346c433e99


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYk2nA-Suzs


No really.

At-least the premise that there are neo-cons pushing for an attack on Syria and that their agenda would be easier without any potential opposition.

klamath
04-09-2017, 08:24 PM
I understood that the seven nations were in a 90 day temporary ban, chosen because those nations were not able to verify identities sufficiently to come to US.

Pakistan met the degree of vetting the new administration wanted to have established . . . also Saudia Arabia, etc. - but not those seven.Kind of like how Saudi Arabia verified the identities of the people during 911. I don't have a problem with a president having the power to restrict travel from specific countries, but when the religious specific clauses were added plus Trump plain statements throughtout the campaign it became a violation of the 1st admendment.
◾Fort Lauderdale airport shooting (January 2017): A US citizen
◾Orlando nightclub shooting (June 2016): A US citizen with Afghan parents
◾San Bernardino shooting (December 2015): A US citizen with Pakistani parents, and a Pakistani citizen
◾Chattanooga shootings (July 2015): A Kuwait-born US citizen
◾Charleston church shooting (June 2015): A US citizen
◾Boston marathon bombing (April 2013): Two men originally from Chechnya, Russia

AuH20
04-09-2017, 09:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj4h99lIZ84

AZJoe
04-10-2017, 01:20 PM
From Bruce Fein

"We have plunged into the gutters and sewers of morality. National Security Adviser General McMaster announced yesterday that we would attack any country with cruise missiles that we decree is killing innocent civilians without any trial or opportunity to respond to our allegedly incriminating evidence. Think of it. We are now coiled to attack scores of nations not in self-defense, including South Sudan (our baby), Russia, China, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Nigeria, Central African Republic, Burma, Belarus, North Korea, the Philippines, Zimbabwe, Iran, ad infinitum. As we destroyed villages in Vietnam to save them, now we profess to diminish the killings of the innocent by doing the same ourselves. We are now truly carbon copies of the French Bourbons. We forget nothing, and learn nothing. And depend upon it. We shall pay the same steep price."

jllundqu
04-10-2017, 01:31 PM
We are so screwed.

timosman
04-10-2017, 04:40 PM
We are so screwed.

At least they will leave us alone. Will they?:eek:

dannno
04-12-2017, 05:22 PM
Posted an hour ago..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkovYL4xcDo



from a few days ago...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0Tc31NkBXo

cindy25
04-12-2017, 10:07 PM
How many troops can Putin send if it came to this?

http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=russia

It says here that he has 766k in active frontline personnel at his disposal. If I'm Putin, I match McMaster's raise and try to drag the Americans into a prolonged quagmire that they can't sustain from a PR perspective. The conflict would likely stay conventional as well. There's even a chance that Washington would back down when pressed with an actual challenge from a military peer.

The wildcard would be Turkey.

none, just have to wait it out. the Dems would take the house in 2018 (not the senate) and Gabbard wins in 2020, with a Dem senate then.

AZJoe
04-14-2017, 03:02 AM
150,000 armed illegal immigrants