OT: A Must-See Film: "V for Vendetta"

[BuddyRey]

This is the best "message movie" I've seen in ages. It's based on a 20+ year old graphic novel by Alan Moore, and the resemblance the dystopian future-Britain has with modern-day Britain under Blair and Brown is quite disturbing. Anyone who is into allegorical warnings of government power, or just plain ol' great films, should go out and rent this one ASAP! I loved it so much, I also ordered the comic/graphic novel it was based on. To borrow a threadbare cliche, I give it two thumbs way up!

[Brandybuck]

The movie promotes violent revolution, which neither I nor Dr. Paul support. It may be a fun movie, but the message is bad.

[G-khan]

This is the best "message movie" I've seen in ages. It's based on a 20+ year old graphic novel by Alan Moore, and the resemblance the dystopian future-Britain has with modern-day Britain under Blair and Brown is quite disturbing. Anyone who is into allegorical warnings of government power, or just plain ol' great films, should go out and rent this one ASAP! I loved it so much, I also ordered the comic/graphic novel it was based on. To borrow a threadbare cliche, I give it two thumbs way up!


I agree and made this RP video.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSCN0oXDr70

:)

[SeekLiberty]

The movie promotes violent revolution, which neither I nor Dr. Paul support. It may be a fun movie, but the message is bad.

Go figure from you. lol. Nice spin. :rolleyes:

I don't support violent revolution either unless it's forced to come to that. That movie was about WHEN IT CAME TO THAT.

The message of Freedom was absolutely wonderful! I highly recommend "V" too!

So apparently, you don't support the message of We The People Foundation either?

Because they USE V's message to make a point in dissenting "OBEY the Constitution!" ... even dressing up like V with masks, robes and all.

http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/

It's so interesting you'd say this. But not surprising. (I got you pegged. ;) )

If we have to go to the LAST RESORT to save our "remnant status"(- Ron Paul) American Republic, and perhaps save another 170 million deaths or more in THIS century, then I guess us true Freedom lovers (willing to "Live Free or Die") have to do what we have to do. :D

Brandybuck, Are you willing to live free or die?

http://www.a-human-right.com/panther_s.jpg

- SL

"There's no evidence which debunks the CONTRADICTIONS of our federal servants'
official propagandized version of the September 11th mass-murder family tragedy." - SeekLiberty

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2602704786128880796

[SeekLiberty]

I agree and made this RP video.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSCN0oXDr70

:)

Thank you very much for uploading that. Because THAT IS a part of the Freedom message which V spoke. And it is INSPIRING.

Let us never forget our brave forefather Americans whom faught in the violent revolution - the War for Independence and Freedom.

Let us make our Government FEAR our Country, not our Country FEAR our Govenment.

The time is RIGHT NOW for Americans to properly revitilize the lawful State Militia for Constitutional Homeland Security.

Here is the brand new (just released) "How-to" book on WHY and how to do it ...

http://www.amazon.com/Constitutional-Homeland-Security-Americans-Revitalize/dp/0967175925/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-8267830-3940011?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1183250593&sr=8-1

This is the book that The Government and its shills will HATE for you to read. :D

- SL

"There's no evidence which debunks the CONTRADICTIONS of our federal servants'
official propagandized version of the September 11th mass-murder family tragedy." - SeekLiberty

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2602704786128880796

[beermotor]

The movie promotes violent revolution, which neither I nor Dr. Paul support. It may be a fun movie, but the message is bad.


:rolleyes:

Gimme a break dude. We must be watching different movies. You know at the end where there's a big crowd of people who ... NONVIOLENTLY just walk past the troops who are ordered to kill them?

Ok ok, stuff blows up. Big deal. If DC blew up, I would not shed a tear. At any rate it IS a movie. I mean shit, this is not Clockwork Orange or something.

[Man from La Mancha]

Interesting stuff on V -Guy Fawkes. He was Protestant and converted to Catholic and wanted to kill the King and Parliament because the King was persecuting the Catholics because the Vatican wanted to rule over England again. Gunpowder Plot of 1605

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes

[angelatc]

The movie promotes violent revolution, which neither I nor Dr. Paul support. It may be a fun movie, but the message is bad.

I just got through watching Ghandi, and I agree. :)

[Kuldebar]

Let's not forget that our nation was founded via a violent revolution.

[glts]

V for Vendetta is my favorite movie of all time. I love the music too especially the song Clubbed to Death by Rob Dougan.

[SeekLiberty]

I just got through watching Ghandi, and I agree. :)

You're in the minority opinion here so far:

2 Agree with Brandybuck.

7 Disagree with Brandybuck.

Did you know that Bob Shultz and We The People Foundation have tried the Ghandi approach (since 1999) and has sat on the steps of the White House and starved himself for weeks in protest in demand that his petition to our federal Government be respectfully answered? And that he would not eat until death? Finally the Government agreed to a meeting but then later reniged.

For EIGHT years now, after multiple petitions to our government, they STILL have not responded to any of these right and proper petitions. Apparently, Bob Shultz's Ghandi approach is not working.

Would you be willing to do what Bob Shultz has done? Starve yourself?

Did you know our Forefathers ALSO properly petitioned King George III, REPEATEDLY for years BEFORE our revolution, just like We The People organization has?

The Ghandi story is BEAUTIFUL, granted. But it doesn't look promising that his approach will withstand a confrontation to an entity whom wants to rule the world and has 737 military bases in 63 countries all over the planet.

To think Ghandi's approach will work against this is dreaming. I only wish it would, too. It's NOT how our forefathers handled tyranny either.

What if, God help us, Ron Paul doesn't win the election or dies? Then what is your plan?

It's foolish for anybody to rely on one man to save our Country.

The only right, proper, and correct Constitutional plan left to restore our American Republic is this ...

http://www.amazon.com/Constitutional-Homeland-Security-Americans-Revitalize/dp/0967175925/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-8267830-3940011?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1183250593&sr=8-1

This needs to be started now whether or not Ron Paul wins.

- SL

"There's no evidence which debunks the CONTRADICTIONS of our federal servants'
official propagandized version of the September 11th mass-murder family tragedy." - SeekLiberty

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2602704786128880796

[Man from La Mancha]

If you saw Gandhi from my memory a long time ago it showed thousands of people were doing this resistance if not millions. I remember a scene where the people were trying to pass by the solders and each one would be hit by the British yet they kept coming.

What if 1000 people were to sit on those white house steps and not eat? One man by himself can't do it. One person can lead but he needs a army of supporters willing to get smacked.

[MsDoodahs]

Make it 7.

:)

[Man from La Mancha]

Well you get my drift, I assumed similar atrocities were happening all over India.

:)

[angelatc]

You're in the minority opinion here so far:

2 Agree with Brandybuck.

6 Disagree with Brandybuck.

Are you joking? As a long time Ron Paul supporter, I'm quite used to having the minority opinion.


Did you know that Bob Shultz of We The People Foundation has tried the Ghandi approach (since 1999) and has sat on the steps of the White House and starved himself for weeks in protest in demand that his petition to our federal Government be respectfully answered?[/url]

(OK, I know next to nothing about GHandi. I watched a movie this afternoon, but I was wandering in and out of the room while it was on.)

I think we have a better chance with non-violence, if for no other reason that we're out-gunned. Ghandi didn't just take on the government, he organized the people. Bob sat there, but he didn't manage to get thousands and thousands of people to join him.

And I think Ghandi used fasting as a means to communicate with his supporters, instead of his antagonists.

If we were in the throes of an anarchist/socialist type of violent revolution, and Ron Paul started fasting to urge a non-violent rebellion, what would you say?

[angelatc]

If you saw Gandhi from my memory a long time ago it showed thousands of people were doing this resistance if not millions. I remember a scene where the people were trying to pass by the solders and each one would be hit by the British yet they kept coming.
.

That was pretty emotional. Also where the British opened fire on unarmed peaceful demonstrators.

[Man from La Mancha]

I read book on Muammar al-Gaddafi. He took his country back from the NWO oil puppets completely without a drop of blood being spilled. And they have vilified him since.

[Korey Kaczynski]

This is the best "message movie" I've seen in ages. It's based on a 20+ year old graphic novel by Alan Moore, and the resemblance the dystopian future-Britain has with modern-day Britain under Blair and Brown is quite disturbing. Anyone who is into allegorical warnings of government power, or just plain ol' great films, should go out and rent this one ASAP! I loved it so much, I also ordered the comic/graphic novel it was based on. To borrow a threadbare cliche, I give it two thumbs way up!

Moore also hated the film, citing it as installing American politics within the film and dumbing down the conflict into a good vs evil dichotomy; the comic series actually had the dictator as a well-intentioned introvert who wanted to connect to his people.

[SeekLiberty]

Are you joking? As a long time Ron Paul supporter, I'm quite used to having the minority opinion.


(OK, I know next to nothing about GHandi. I watched a movie this afternoon, but I was wandering in and out of the room while it was on.)

I think we have a better chance with non-violence, if for no other reason that we're out-gunned. Ghandi didn't just take on the government, he organized the people. Bob sat there, but he didn't manage to get thousands and thousands of people to join him.

And I think Ghandi used fasting as a means to communicate with his supporters, instead of his antagonists.

If we were in the throes of an anarchist/socialist type of violent revolution, and Ron Paul started fasting to urge a non-violent rebellion, what would you say?

Nope. I'm not joking at all. In fact, I'm deadly serious. :D

Go to the website and read what happened. Apparently you didn't read it. Bob was not alone.

To answer your other question, I'd say lets try it. But if it didn't work, first bring on the THREAT of violence by the Constitutional state Militia. If that doesn't work to get our government servants in holding up to their oath, then apply the LAST resort ... use the cartridge box.

Do you really understand our 2nd Amendment Natural Right? Do you understand why it's there? Read the Guns are Civilization article.

Where did you get the false idea we're out-gunned? 45% of American households have a gun.

Do you believe we need to go back to our Constitution and revitilize our Militia?

Do you know WHY our Founders said we need a Militia?

Have you read what Thomas Jefferson says on armed rebellion?

Jefferson on Armed Rebellion

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."

-- Thomas Jefferson, November 13, 1787, letter to William S. Smith, quoted in Padover's Jefferson On Democracy

I think you need to do a little more study. :)

I suggest to start by reading "Constitutional Homeland Security."

http://www.amazon.com/Constitutional-Homeland-Security-Americans-Revitalize/dp/0967175925/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-8267830-3940011?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1183250593&sr=8-1

It is the only right, proper, and correct Constitutional path to restore our American Republic permanently.

One last question: Do you support Ron Paul in his support for Constitutional state Militias?

- SL

[Terribliz]

blah, beat me to the quote

[Terribliz]

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[SeanEdwards]

I thought 'V" was OK, but not great.

But since you're recommending movies, I'd like to recommend "Syriana".

[SeekLiberty]

blah, beat me to the quote

hehe. :D Well, at least you're aware of it! Good for you. You're paying attention. Some apparently are not. :(

- SL

[brumans]

I just watched this movie. Really, in my opinion, the greatest movie ever made.

Great thread as well with lots of insight.

[Wendi]

The message is freedom, same as you and I and everyone on these forums is fighting for.

We all hope and pray that it can be done peacefully, but are prepared for the next step if it can't.

[Korey Kaczynski]

This movie is trash, people -- the reason is because it is a simplistic good vs evil struggle, whereas in real life the case is much different. Even the original comic book had implications that V wasn't a complete good guy, and the dictator wasn't a Hitleresque monster.

Not only that, but the homosexual woman's letter scene was in poor taste; it was an over-the-top and ridiculous presentation of whatever unfair persecutions homosexuals face today, in a piss poor attempt to link current problems to nazism. Also, movies don't need to have shitty politics inserted in them unless it's vital to the story, and it was not the case here.

It's a case of bad story telling. While the heroism of V is interesting, characters are too one-dimensional for any sort of long-term respect to be granted to this movie.

Granted, the movie really isn't as horrible as I make it out to be, but it's simply around average at best.

[BillyDkid]

I think the Declaration of Independence says it all. I don't support violence, but I sure don't believe in non-violence at all costs. The Ghandi story is great and inspirational, but in the course of human events, non-violent victory over oppression is very rare.

[lucius]

This movie is trash, people -- the reason is because it is a simplistic good vs evil struggle, whereas in real life the case is much different. Even the original comic book had implications that V wasn't a complete good guy, and the dictator wasn't a Hitleresque monster.

Not only that, but the homosexual woman's letter scene was in poor taste; it was an over-the-top and ridiculous presentation of whatever unfair persecutions homosexuals face today, in a piss poor attempt to link current problems to nazism. Also, movies don't need to have shitty politics inserted in them unless it's vital to the story, and it was not the case here.

It's a case of bad story telling. While the heroism of V is interesting, characters are too one-dimensional for any sort of long-term respect to be granted to this movie.

Granted, the movie really isn't as horrible as I make it out to be, but it's simply around average at best.

I agree with you. I think it's message is more about reinforcing control, only a genetically enhanced human being with extraordinary powers can be an effective agent of change; masses marching on armed military like sheep to the slaughter; something about mass conforming within a similar costume--after reading 'Hoodwinked' I look at movies in a far different light.

One thing is for sure, you will not have your basic Delete-the-Elite motif, where common joe-six-pack recognizing the class-warfare/police-state being waged against him, drags them out and hangs them by their heels ala Benito Mussolini. I was disappointed with this movie. I look forward to watching Gandhi.

[Syren123]

"Then again, truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look in the mirror."
-V

[brumans]

This movie is trash, people -- the reason is because it is a simplistic good vs evil struggle, whereas in real life the case is much different. Even the original comic book had implications that V wasn't a complete good guy, and the dictator wasn't a Hitleresque monster.

Not only that, but the homosexual woman's letter scene was in poor taste; it was an over-the-top and ridiculous presentation of whatever unfair persecutions homosexuals face today, in a piss poor attempt to link current problems to nazism. Also, movies don't need to have shitty politics inserted in them unless it's vital to the story, and it was not the case here.

It's a case of bad story telling. While the heroism of V is interesting, characters are too one-dimensional for any sort of long-term respect to be granted to this movie.

Granted, the movie really isn't as horrible as I make it out to be, but it's simply around average at best.

Ermm.. this is a MOVIE. It doesn't have to be realistic or possible of happening in the real world. It's not a documentary.

[MsDoodahs]

It's coming on Cinemax again, right now.

:)

[Madison]

"Then again, truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look in the mirror."
-V

Indeed.

Great movie.

Register at IMDB.com and get it rated higher on the IMDB Top 250 :D

[Korey Kaczynski]

Ermm.. this is a MOVIE. It doesn't have to be realistic or possible of happening in the real world. It's not a documentary.

Precisely.

Which is why it's a case of bad story telling, and cliched.

[ziggy_encaoua]

the film well I thought it was Okay

I'd read the graphic novel many years ago & I did think that was awesome

I'd also recommend that people read another Alan Moore graphic novel The Watchmen

[Shellshock1918]

The movie promotes violent revolution, which neither I nor Dr. Paul support. It may be a fun movie, but the message is bad.

In the end, after all options are have been exhausted, thats what it will come down to. Pacifism is a nice idea, but it will get you killed.