GOP pushes for health care re-do within month

[Jan2017]

U.S. Rep. Ken Buck said he wants the GOP’s health care overhaul resuscitated for a vote.

WASHINGTON — Colorado Republican U.S. Rep. Ken Buck on Wednesday said he wants to see the GOP’s left-for-dead
health care overhaul resuscitated for a vote within the next month . . .

“It’s got to get out of the House before the April break or soon after the April break in order to get it through the Senate,”
Buck said. “I don’t think anybody wants to see this health care process last much longer than May.”

May also happens to be a crucial deadline for the insurance industry, which that month must submit its 2018 plans to
the Colorado Division of Insurance for approval — although a division spokesman Wednesday said the deadline will
probably be pushed back this year into June.
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/03/29/uncertainty-lingers-colorado-insurers/

[dannno]

Trump will be onboard.


Trump Calls House Freedom Caucus ‘Friends,’ Predicts ‘What’s Going to Come … Is a Better Bill’

Melissa Quinn (http://dailysignal.com/author/melissa-quinn/) / @MelissaQuinn97 (http://twitter.com/MelissaQuinn97) / March 24, 2017 /

http://dailysignal.com/2017/03/24/trump-calls-house-freedom-caucus-friends-says-health-care-bill-was-hard-vote-for-them/

[Zippyjuan]

Ryan joins in: http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/30/politics/freedom-caucus-trump-tweet/

His threat? They may have to work with Democrats. The horror!


For the moment, there's limited evidence that real work towards wrangling Democrats for Trump's agenda is taking place and even less evidence enough Democrats exist to make any effort along those lines worthwhile.

But, sources say, it's a threat that could eventually ring true if the Freedom Caucus doesn't change its tune. After all, the President is not particularly tied into conservative orthodoxy. So while the most recent comments fit into a loosely designed deliberate campaign of sorts now, there's no question it could become very real if Trump decides it's the only way to strike any kind of deal.

Ryan enforced that message in the CBS interview, suggesting that Trump's patience was not infinite and he could be tempted to work with the other side if Republicans refuse to implement his agenda.

"What I am worried about is ... that if we don't do this then he will just go work with Democrats to try and change Obamacare -- that's hardly a conservative thing," Ryan said.

"I'm going to let the tweet for itself," White House spokesman Sean Spicer told reporters.

[timosman]

"I'm going to let the tweet for itself," White House spokesman Sean Spicer told reporters.

It was a brainfart, but we are too embarrassed to issue a formal apology.

[CPUd]

Mitch said LOL no when they asked if he would bring it to the Senate floor.

[CPUd]

Ryan joins in: http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/30/politics/freedom-caucus-trump-tweet/

His threat? They may have to work with Democrats. The horror!

Bernie has a plan that should be right up his alley, if only it were on the Senate agenda:

845384556966481921
https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/845384556966481921

[RonZeplin]

There's not enough Trump progressive NWO bushbots, to defeat the Freedom Caucus and the rest of America.

[Swordsmyth]

Ryan joins in: http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/30/politics/freedom-caucus-trump-tweet/

His threat? They may have to work with COMMUNISTS. The horror!

There I fixed it for you

[Zippyjuan]

There I fixed it for you

"Communists" is so 1950's. That died with the USSR.

[Swordsmyth]

"Communists" is so 1950's. That died with the USSR.
Yes the Dems are behind the times aren't they.

[Zippyjuan]

Yes the Dems are behind the times aren't they.

That would be Cuba and Venezuela. Dems are more socialist. Republicans are corporatists.

[Swordsmyth]

That would be Cuba and Venezuela. Dems are more socialist.

Dream on.

[merkelstan]

I like the mises guys solutions for health care reform

https://mises.org/library/four-step-healthcare-solution
https://mises.org/library/what-true-health-care-reform-would-look

[Noob]

They want two things added.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/freedom-caucuss-reasonable-demand-on-obamacare-repeal/article/2618961

[parocks]

Shouldn't we be seeing the Freedom Caucuses version of health care, and then Trump can get on board with that, and that will either succeed or fail.

If it fails, the GOP who didn't back it will be painted as RINOs and primaried, or something similar.

I don't like Obamacare, but if Rand says that the Ryan bill wasn't good enough, I trust that Rand's assessment is conservative / libertarian. Let's get that one in the pipeline and see what Trump and RINOs do with it.

[Noob]

Pence: Obamacare repeal will happen before tax reform

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pence-obamacare-repeal-will-happen-before-tax-reform/article/2619109

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/trump-repeal-replace-obamacare-236786

[TheCount]

Pence: Obamacare repeal will happen before tax reform

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pence-obamacare-repeal-will-happen-before-tax-reform/article/2619109

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/trump-repeal-replace-obamacare-236786

Welp, guess there will never be tax reform.

[Jan2017]

Trump will be onboard.




http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah180/81501/golf02_zps8jbbmhh8.jpg (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/81501/media/golf02_zps8jbbmhh8.jpg.html)


A Secret Service agent opens the door of the presidential vehicle for Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky, left, on the South Lawn driveway at
the White House in Washington, Sunday, April 2, 2017. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)

[Zippyjuan]

Pence: Obamacare repeal will happen before tax reform

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pence-obamacare-repeal-will-happen-before-tax-reform/article/2619109

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/trump-repeal-replace-obamacare-236786

1) left off "replace" after "repeal".
2) if they do pass anything it will be a modification of the current system- not a repeal of it. They just call it "repeal and replace" to avoid admitting they aren't really going to repeal it.

[parocks]

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/randgolfouting_zpsgarrcit2.jpg (http://s372.photobucket.com/user/sunblush/media/randgolfouting_zpsgarrcit2.jpg.html)

A Secret Service agent opens the door of the presidential vehicle for Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky, left, on the South Lawn driveway at
the White House in Washington, Sunday, April 2, 2017. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)



Trump and Rand Paul are going golfing and talking about health care. Seems like they're getting along ok.

[Zippyjuan]

Trump won't have time to golf. He will be too busy he said during the campaign.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/rand-paul-optimistic-about-obamacare-repeal-after-golfing-with-trump/article/2619155


"We had a great day with the president. Played some golf, and we talked and we talked about a little bit of healthcare. I continue to be very optimistic that we are getting closer and closer to an agreement on repealing Obamacare," Paul said.


Trump said the bill was pulled because “I didn’t want to take a vote. It was my idea.” And he said that “one way or the other, I promised the people great health care. We are going to have great health care in this country.”

It is not clear how a new health care bill will come together, with deep divides among Republicans and little interest in cooperation from Democrats. Since the bill went down, Trump has repeatedly lashed out at members of the conservative House Freedom Caucus who contributed to the defeat.

http://wtop.com/virginia/2017/04/trump-hits-golf-course-with-sen-rand-paul/


Trump told the Financial Times that members of the caucus were “friends of mine.” But he added: “if we don’t get what we want, we will make a deal with the Democrats and we will have in my opinion not as good a form of health care, but we are going to have a very good form of health care and it will be a bipartisan form of health care.”

[Noob]

White House, conservatives mull deal to revive Obamacare repeal

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/obamacare-repeal-bill-revive-trump-house-freedom-caucus-236836

[CPUd]

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https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/849084349735727104


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https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/849086777470201856

[Madison320]

I highly doubt the republicans are going to remove the socialist part of the healthcare plan (forcing insurers to cover people that are already sick).

[TheCount]

I highly doubt the republicans are going to remove the socialist part of the healthcare plan (forcing insurers to cover people that are already sick).

Not when their president campaigned on a continuation of socialist policies, no. That's what his base wants.

[CaptUSA]

I highly doubt the republicans are going to remove the socialist part of the healthcare plan (forcing insurers to cover people that are already sick).

"forcing" insurers??? The reason they won't remove it is because the insurance companies "lobby" (write the bills). The insurance companies certainly don't want to be held responsible for turning away unprofitable sick people. They do want government to "force" the rest of the public to pay for them, though. The only thing they're debating is the payment mechanism.

[Noob]

healthcare offer to Freedom Caucus

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/327124-pence-presents-new-healthcare-offer-to-freedom-caucus

[timosman]

"forcing" insurers??? The reason they won't remove it is because the insurance companies "lobby" (write the bills). The insurance companies certainly don't want to be held responsible for turning away unprofitable sick people. They do want government to "force" the rest of the public to pay for them, though. The only thing they're debating is the payment mechanism.

How can you be so cynical?:rolleyes: +rep

[Madison320]

"forcing" insurers??? The reason they won't remove it is because the insurance companies "lobby" (write the bills). The insurance companies certainly don't want to be held responsible for turning away unprofitable sick people. They do want government to "force" the rest of the public to pay for them, though. The only thing they're debating is the payment mechanism.

In a free market would car insurance companies insure people after they've been in an accident?

Shouldn't insurance be a voluntary agreement between the two parties?

[CaptUSA]

Shouldn't insurance be a voluntary agreement between the two parties?

Absolutely. But that's not what's going on here. Government isn't "forcing" the insurance companies (at least not the existing ones - obviously, it's a barrier to entry for any start-up). It's a great PR ploy to "insure" sick people, but obviously it costs money. The insurance companies wrote the bills (Obamacare and Trump/Ryancare) to get a funding mechanism for those people.

[Madison320]

Absolutely. But that's not what's going on here. Government isn't "forcing" the insurance companies (at least not the existing ones - obviously, it's a barrier to entry for any start-up). It's a great PR ploy to "insure" sick people, but obviously it costs money. The insurance companies wrote the bills (Obamacare and Trump/Ryancare) to get a funding mechanism for those people.

So currently if I have a pre-existing condition insurance companies can turn me down? That's not what I've heard about Obamacare.

[CaptUSA]

So currently if I have a pre-existing condition insurance companies can turn me down? That's not what I've heard about Obamacare.

Did you hear the part where they wrote the law?!! Geez, man, you're only reading 1/2 the posts. They wrote into the law that they'd cover people with pre-existing conditions, but they also wrote into the law that they'd "force" everyone to pay. The idea that the law "forces" the insurance companies to do something against their will is ridiculous - they wanted it! And as with most regulations, they serve as a protection against competition since any would-be competitor has to face a larger barrier to entry - meaning, if you wanted to start an insurance company that only provides coverage to hand-selected people, you wouldn't be allowed. The "force" is on individuals and start-ups. I suppose if you want to be pedantic, you could say they "forced" themselves to cover some people while "forcing" everyone else to pay for it. But that sounds kinda silly, right?

[Zippyjuan]

Did you hear the part where they wrote the law?!! Geez, man, you're only reading 1/2 the posts. They wrote into the law that they'd cover people with pre-existing conditions, but they also wrote into the law that they'd "force" everyone to pay. The idea that the law "forces" the insurance companies to do something against their will is ridiculous - they wanted it! And as with most regulations, they serve as a protection against competition since any would-be competitor has to face a larger barrier to entry - meaning, if you wanted to start an insurance company that only provides coverage to hand-selected people, you wouldn't be allowed. The "force" is on individuals and start-ups. I suppose if you want to be pedantic, you could say they "forced" themselves to cover some people while "forcing" everyone else to pay for it. But that sounds kinda silly, right?

The idea of not denying coverage for pre-existing conditions as well as the individual mandate that everybody have insurance actually came from the conservative Heritage Foundation. http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/1989/pdf/hl218.pdf

http://americablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/the-heritage-plan1.jpg

http://americablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/heritage-foundation-invidual-mandate1.jpg

They also claim credit for the idea of health insurance exchanges. http://www.heritage.org/health-care-reform/commentary/exchange-we-can-believe


The president-elect didn't invent the idea of a health exchange. He came up with his own version of an idea that's been refined by people like us at the Heritage Foundation and already field tested. Frankly, we prefer the original.

Here's what this big Idea is all about:

Most working Americans get health coverage as a tax-free benefit from their employer. The problem is that smaller employers don't do this well - and many not at all - because it's a hassle and they can't get a good deal from the insurer.

So millions of workers don't get any health coverage from their employers. And many more don't get the kind of coverage they want. Even those who do get good coverage through work may lose it. Those who change jobs often have to change doctors under a new plan.

Enter the health exchange - a sort of shopping mall for insurance customers.

If you worked for a non-insuring boss - say, John the barber or Jane the restaurant owner - you wouldn't be out of luck. You could pick your own plan through a health exchange. Even if you get insurance now, you might find better coverage - or a better deal - among the many competing plans offered by an exchange.

The exchange would be a nonprofit organization chartered by the government. It would set some ground rules for insurers. For example, they would need to present cost and coverage information in an easy-to-compare way - like hotels on Travelocity. Government and the plans also could develop underwriting rules and a "risk adjustment" fund so coverage is affordable for everyone.

As employers, John and Jane wouldn't have to select and administer coverage for their workers, though they would make a payroll deduction and send off the premium to the exchange, often kicking in a share. The exchange would lump premiums together and distribute funds to each plan to cut overhead.

This approach offers many advantages. It would give working Americans a choice of several plans, not just one that appealed most to their employer. And they could go directly to the exchange if their employer didn't offer any coverage. Moreover, workers who switch jobs could simply keep the same plan through the exchange - just like keeping the same auto insurance.

Federal employees already have an insurance exchange, called the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program (FEHBP). Many private workers in Massachusetts now also have coverage through an exchange called the Connector; other states are planning to copy Massachusetts.

The Heritage Foundation and some other think tanks have argued for years that an FEHBP-style health exchange would make sense.

More at link.

[Madison320]

Did you hear the part where they wrote the law?!! Geez, man, you're only reading 1/2 the posts. They wrote into the law that they'd cover people with pre-existing conditions, but they also wrote into the law that they'd "force" everyone to pay. The idea that the law "forces" the insurance companies to do something against their will is ridiculous - they wanted it! And as with most regulations, they serve as a protection against competition since any would-be competitor has to face a larger barrier to entry - meaning, if you wanted to start an insurance company that only provides coverage to hand-selected people, you wouldn't be allowed. The "force" is on individuals and start-ups. I suppose if you want to be pedantic, you could say they "forced" themselves to cover some people while "forcing" everyone else to pay for it. But that sounds kinda silly, right?

I don't give a crap who wrote the law. All I care about is whether it's a good law. And you can't have a free market if a business is forced to provide a service. And besides that the whole idea that "Big Insurance" is one entity that wrote the law is silly. You could play that game with any law. Any bad law could be validated because "they" wanted it themselves.

[Noob]

They are confident it passes?


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/kevin-mccarthy-obamacare-repeal-will-be-signed-this-year/article/2619377

[phill4paul]

You could play that game with any law. Any bad law could be validated because "they" wanted it themselves.

Now you're starting to get it. ;)

[Noob]

House Freedom Caucus Shows Support For New Obamacare Repeal

http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/06/house-freedom-caucus-shows-support-for-new-obamacare-repeal/#ixzz4dU9G15VY

[Ender]

EnderCare:

Government out of medical care/business
Insurance a choice
Free Enterprise for Doctors

Prediction:
Medical costs will be at least 1/10, or lower, of what they currently are.

[Noob]

They added high risk pools.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/committee-adds-high-risk-pools-for-sickest-customers-to-obamacare-repeal-bill/article/2619569

[Noob]

Million Dollar Ad Campaign to Put Pressure on Moderates for Obamacare Repeal..

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/laurettabrown/2017/04/10/club-for-growth-launches-million-dollar-ad-campaign-to-put-pressure-on-moderates-for-obamacare-repeal-n2311649

[Noob]

Deal close to being made?

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/328269-freedom-caucus-chair-deal-close-on-obamacare-repeal

[Noob]

Trump to stop Obamacare payments?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-may-withhold-cost-sharing-reduction-payments-to-force-democrats-to-negotiate-obamacare-repeal

[Noob]

New vote soon..

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/04/new_obamacare_repeal_vote_coming_next_week_nj_cong .html

[Noob]

House Freedom Caucus is backing the bill now, and looks like Ryan is going to ax lawmaker exemption in Obamacare repeal bill.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/27/congress-exemption-obamacare-repeal-237672

[Jan2017]

House Freedom Caucus is backing the bill now, ...
Conservatives Back Revised Health Bill, GOP Moderates Balk

House Freedom Caucus endorsed a revised version of the moribund Republican health care bill Wednesday.

Opposition by most of the caucus' roughly three dozen members was a major factor when House leaders canceled a vote on the legislation
last month in a mortifying setback for the party.

The changes would let states escape a requirement under President Barack Obama's health care law that insurers charge
healthy and seriously ill customers the same rates.
They could also be exempted from Obama's mandate that insurers cover a list of services like maternity care.

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2017/04/26/us/politics/ap-us-congress-health-overhaul.html

[jllundqu]

I'd like to know more about the new bill. Hopefully the Freedom Caucus didn't fold for 30 pieces of silver.

[Noob]

Are they really within 5 votes to pass it? Looks like they are going to increase funding to try to get more liberal Republicans.


Representative Dennis Ross of Florida, a senior member of the House vote-counting team, described Republicans’ closed-door meeting and said they are about “five votes away” from the number needed to pass the bill.


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2017/05/02/ryan-defends-ahca-n2321167

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/more-money-considered-to-entice-republican-obamacare-repeal-votes/article/2621930

[CPUd]

859478062408368128
https://twitter.com/dougstafford/status/859478062408368128

[CPUd]

Vote scheduled for Thursday. They still don't know if they have the votes. Some of the vulnerable Reps are "undecided", and there are enough in that pool to swing it either way.

Also several of them flipping back and forth every day.

[CPUd]

Opposed or leaning “no” 17
Members who have publicly said they would vote “no” on the current bill, or have expressed serious concerns about it.

Andy Biggs Ariz.
Barbara Comstock Va.
Ryan Costello Pa.
Carlos Curbelo Fla.
Charlie Dent Pa.
Daniel Donovan N.Y.
Brian Fitzpatrick Pa.
Jaime Herrera Beutler Wash.
Walter B. Jones N.C.
John Katko N.Y.
Leonard Lance N.J.
Frank A. LoBiondo N.J.
Thomas Massie Ky.
Patrick Meehan Pa.
Dave Reichert Wash.
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen Fla.
Christopher H. Smith N.J.


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Undecided or unclear 35
Members who have not publicly taken a position on the current bill.

Rick Allen Ga.
Justin Amash Mich.
Mark Amodei Nev.
Marsha Blackburn Tenn.
Rod Blum Iowa
Mike Bost Ill.
Ken Calvert Calif.
Mike Coffman Colo.
Paul Cook Calif.
Mario Diaz-Balart Fla.
John Faso N.Y.
Rodney Frelinghuysen N.J.
Bob Gibbs Ohio
Darrell Issa Calif.
Bill Johnson Ohio
David Joyce Ohio
Steve King Iowa
Adam Kinzinger Ill.
Steve Knight Calif.
Doug LaMalfa Calif.
Brian Mast Fla.
David B. McKinley W.Va.
Martha McSally Ariz.
Tim Murphy Pa.
Erik Paulsen Minn.
Bruce Poliquin Maine
Tom Reed N.Y.
Dana Rohrabacher Calif.
Peter J. Roskam Ill.
Edward R. Royce Calif.
Elise Stefanik N.Y.
Michael R. Turner Ohio
Rob Wittman Va.
Kevin Yoder Kan.
Don Young Alaska

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Switched to “yes” 27
Members who said they will switch their votes from “no” on the previous bill to “yes” on this version.

Dave Brat Va.
Mo Brooks Ala.
Susan Brooks Ind.
Ken Buck Colo.
Ted Budd N.C.
Chris Collins N.Y.
Warren Davidson Ohio
Jeff Denham Calif.
Scott DesJarlais Tenn.
Trent Franks Ariz.
Louie Gohmert Tex.
Paul A. Gosar Ariz.
Jody Hice Ga.
Jim Jordan Ohio
Raúl R. Labrador Idaho
Billy Long Mo.
Tom McClintock Calif.
Mark Meadows N.C.
James B. Renacci Ohio
Mark Sanford S.C.
Fred Upton Mich.
David Valadao Calif.
Greg Walden Ore.
Randy Weber Tex.
Daniel Webster Fla.
Ted Yoho Fla.
David Young Iowa

[Jan2017]

Vote scheduled for Thursday. They still don't know if they have the votes. Some of the vulnerable Reps are "undecided", and there are enough in that pool to swing it either way.

Also several of them flipping back and forth every day.

"Mandates seldom work" live cspan at https://www.c-span.org/video/?427816-1/us-house-takes-gop-health-care-bill

"vote looms" or "pull the vote!"

Dem : "the Trumpcare mother of all bombs dropped on the American people"

[CPUd]

860154277003767811
https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/860154277003767811

[CPUd]

voting now

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/05/04/us/politics/house-vote-republican-health-care-bill.html

[CPUd]

18 GOP no so far, 16 left. It will be close

2 dem yes

[CPUd]

Amash, Mo Brooks Issa still out

[CPUd]

it will either pas or fail by 1 or 2 votes

20 gop no, 2 yet to vote

2 dems changed back from yes to no

[CPUd]

it will pass, unles someone changes in the next couple minutes

[CPUd]

http://i.imgur.com/uGGAk0l.png

[CPUd]

860194183797243904
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/860194183797243904

[CPUd]

860198896705961984
https://twitter.com/Raul_Labrador/status/860198896705961984

[r3volution 3.0]

The only Freedom Caucus member to ultimately vote against the bill was Arizona Rep. Andy Biggs. Liberty Caucus members Thomas Massie of Kentucky and Walter Jones of North Carolina, who frequently vote against leadership, also opposed the bill.

http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/house-sends-health-care-hot-potato-senate?utm_content=buffer29445&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

I guess Amash voted for it.