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inthehall
03-27-2017, 01:22 PM
Latest Establishment Talking Point: Trump May Be Guilty of ‘Treason’

TEL AVIV – Over the past week, numerous Democratic Party operatives and establishment pundits have used the word “treason” in a seeming attempt to smear President Donald Trump over unproven claims of collusion with Russia during the 2016 presidential campaign.

On Monday, Hillary Clinton’s former campaign manager, Robby Mook, demanded (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/324772-mook-trump-aides-should-be-prosecuted-for-treason-if-they-conspired) Trump’s campaign aides be “prosecuted for treason” if evidence emerges of coordination with Moscow during the recent presidential campaign.

One day later, on Tuesday, Michael Winship, senior writer for BillMoyers.com, wrote an opinion piece titled, “‘There’s a Smell of Treason in the Air’” Winship is a former senior writing fellow at the progressive advocacy group Demos, which is financed by (https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/about/programs/us-programs/grantees/demos) billionaire George Soros.

Winship’s piece, which was republished (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/theres-a-smell-of-treason-in-the-air_us_58d1837ee4b0537abd957598) at the Huffington Post, argued that last Monday’s House Intelligence Committee hearing that probed alleged ties between the Trump administration and Russia was “proof positive of the absolute need for both a special prosecutor and an independent, bipartisan commission with subpoena power to conduct a full investigation” on the matter.

Last week, this reporter found serious problems (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/23/fact-check-four-major-holes-rep-adam-schiffs-trump-russia-conspiracy-theory/)with the main anti-Trump charges at the hearing, delivered in opening remarks by Rep. Adam Schiff, the ranking Democrat on a House intelligence committee. The charges included wild conspiracy theories and heavy reliance on a questionable source.

The title of Winship’s article, meanwhile, comes from a quote (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/president-trump-faces-his-hardest-truth-he-was-wrong/2017/03/20/af9cabfc-0d83-11e7-9b0d-d27c98455440_story.html) in the Washington Post last week provided by presidential historian Douglas Brinkley, who told the newspaper, “There’s a smell of treason in the air. Imagine if J. Edgar Hoover or any other FBI director would have testified against a sitting president? It would have been a mindboggling event.”

Winship went on to compare the hacking of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) to the Watergate scandal under the Nixon administration:

During Schiff’s questioning on Monday, Comey seemed to nod toward agreeing that Russia’s hacking of the Democratic National Committee was not unlike the 1972 physical break-in at the DNC. You know, the one that precipitated the revelations, resignations and prison convictions of Watergate. Drip, drip, drip…

On Thursday, Nicholas Kristof wrote an oped (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/opinion/theres-a-smell-of-treason-in-the-air.html?_r=0) in the New York Times using the same title as Winship, also citing Brinkley’s quotes to the Washington Post.

Kristof starts off his piece, titled, “‘There’s a Smell of Treason in the Air,’” by citing President Richard Nixon:

The greatest political scandal in American history was not Aaron Burr’s shooting of Alexander Hamilton, and perhaps wasn’t even Watergate. Rather it may have been Richard Nixon’s secret efforts in 1968 to sabotage a U.S. diplomatic effort to end the Vietnam War.

Nixon’s initiative, long rumored but confirmed only a few months ago, was meant to improve his election chances that year. After Nixon won, the war dragged on and cost thousands of additional American and Vietnamese lives; it’s hard to see his behavior as anything but treason.

in the Washington Post on Friday, Jennifer Palmieri, Director of Communications for Clinton’s presidential campaign, also referenced “treason” but from a different angle.

“If Clinton had won with the help of the Russians, the Republicans would have impeachment proceedings underway for treason,” she contended. “No doubt. Instead, dealing with Russia falls nearly solely on Democrats’ shoulders.”
To Palmieri, the case is already closed. She writes that Trump won because of a Russian “plot” as if it were an established fact.

“Now that Trump is president, though, the stakes are higher because the Russian plot succeeded,” Palmieri claims.
Like Winship and Kristof, Palmieri references Watergate to make her point: “The possibility of collusion between Trump’s allies and Russian intelligence is much more serious than Watergate. It is a constitutional crisis. It represents a violation of our republic’s most sacred trust.”

Writing (http://theweek.com/articles/687809/why-are-republicans-blindly-backing-trump-over-russia) in The Week on Friday, senior correspondent Damon Linker also claims Trump could be guilty of “treason.”
Here is what I can’t understand: FBI Director James Comey testified on Monday that Donald Trump’s presidential campaign is under investigation by the FBI over its potential ties to Russia. Let’s be clear about what this might mean: treason.

We don’t yet know what the outcome of the investigation will be (though subsequent press reports have certainly underlined the importance of seeing it through to the end). But the very possibility that a sitting president and his circle could end up credibly accused of having advanced the interests of a hostile foreign power and of having colluded with that power in an effort to undermine the campaign of the president’s political opponent should be more than enough to persuade Republican officeholders and pundits to treat the investigation with utmost seriousness — and to distance themselves from the man at the center of the investigation until such time as he is cleared of any wrongdoing.

And like the others, Linker likens the Russia claims to “Watergate” to advance the “treason” narrative.

Finally, there’s the relative gravity of the allegations in the two scandals. The Watergate break-in itself was obviously a crime, but what led to Nixon’s downfall was the cover-up, which implicated the president in multiple acts of obstruction of justice, abuse of power, and contempt of Congress. That would have been more than enough to impeach Nixon, remove him from office, and indict him. Bad? You bet. But far from treason.
The allegations swirling around the Trump campaign are far more serious.


Also on Friday, journalist Carl Bernstein – who is known for breaking the Watergate story in 1972 – slammed (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-russia-links-us-election-campaign-carl-bernstein-watergate-reporter-fbi-james-comey-a7645051.html) Trump as “more treacherous” than Nixon.

Meanwhile, former Bill Clinton Labor Secretary Robert Reich, who has been working closely with the Soros-financed MoveOn.org, penned (http://www.newsweek.com/robert-reich-no-gorsuch-confirmation-until-trump-cleared-574069) a piece published in Newsweek arguing Trump’s Supreme Court pick Neil Gorsuch “shouldn’t be confirmed until Trump comes clean” about alleged ties to Russia.

Like Lieu’s reference to a “cloud of treason” hanging over the Trump administration, Reich claimed a “true cloud of illegitimacy now hangs over the presidency of Donald Trump.”

Reich’s piece was followed up by a MoveOn.org petition calling for Trump’s agenda to be “shut down” while he is investigated over the Russia claims.

The petition (http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/shut-down-and-investigate?source=homepage) states: “Congress must pause all Trump-related legislation and appointments—starting with a halt to Supreme Court nominee Neil Gorsuch’s confirmation process—until the American people learn the full truth about Trump and Russia.”
In recent days, the hashtag (https://twitter.com/hashtag/trumptreason?lang=en) #TrumpTreason has been trending on Twitter.

Prominent users of the hashtag include Trump critic Rosie O’Donnell

This is not the first time this reporter documented the theme of establishment-types parroting similar anti-Trump talking points. In February, a trend emerged (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/06/lefts-latest-desperate-tactic-smear-trump-mentally-unfit/)in which news media outlets featured articles quoting health care professionals who questioned the billionaire’s mental stability in a seeming bid to delegitimize the president.

Following those reports, some Democratic politicians – and at least one Republican – called for Trump to be subjected to a psychiatric examination to determine whether he was fit for office. Some commentators have even suggested invoking the 25th Amendment of the Constitution, which allows for the commander-in-chief’s removal from office if the “president is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.”




Aaron Klein is Breitbart’s Jerusalem bureau chief and senior investigative reporter. He is a New York Times bestselling author and hosts the popular weekend talk radio program, “Aaron Klein Investigative Radio (https://www.connectpal.com/aaronklein).” Follow him on Twitter AaronKleinShow. (https://twitter.com/AaronKleinShow) Follow him on Facebook. (https://www.facebook.com/aaronkleinshow)


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Origanalist
03-27-2017, 01:32 PM
Look at the shiny thing, meanwhile he's doing the MIC'S bidding and sending more troops to Iraq and stepping up the drone bombing. And I don't see him getting out of Syria or anywhere else. This bullshit is just a shell game.

nikcers
03-27-2017, 01:38 PM
Look at the shiny thing, meanwhile he's doing the MIC'S bidding and sending more troops to Iraq and stepping up the drone bombing. And I don't see him getting out of Syria or anywhere else. This bull$#@! is just a shell game.

outrage fatigue- they criticize Trump for everything in order to make people tolerate his bullshit. It doesn't work on me, I don't run out of rage.

PierzStyx
03-27-2017, 02:00 PM
All US Presidents since Grover Cleveland have been guilty of treason. So what is the point exactly?

dannno
03-27-2017, 02:08 PM
meanwhile he's doing the MIC'S bidding and sending more troops to Iraq and stepping up the drone bombing.

Sending more troops and stepping up drone strikes is not necessarily doing the MIC's bidding. The last administration was funding ISIS to help topple foreign leaders. Trump is attempting to fight ISIS. That sounds like the opposite of doing the MIC's bidding.

Now, I have no idea what is going on over there, and I certainly don't think anything good will come of it except that Trump is one of the few people who could potentially end all this nonsense when he gets sick of it, which he will. People like him don't like wasting money like that.

But hey, maybe you should consider giving some money to George Soros so he can help get rid of Trump for you, and we can go back to having a fucking socialist as our President.

asurfaholic
03-27-2017, 02:15 PM
Sending more troops and stepping up drone strikes is not necessarily doing the MIC's bidding. The last administration was funding ISIS to help topple foreign leaders. Trump is attempting to fight ISIS. That sounds like the opposite of doing the MIC's bidding.

Now, I have no idea what is going on over there, and I certainly don't think anything good will come of it except that Trump is one of the few people who could potentially end all this nonsense when he gets sick of it, which he will. People like him don't like wasting money like that.

But hey, maybe you should consider giving some money to George Soros so he can help get rid of Trump for you, and we can go back to having a $#@!ing socialist as our President.

Man Danno I used to like you... what happened to your brain? Totally fried or drank some Koop-aid I guess. How can you say that a president who is increasing the scope of a war that's been ongoing for years and years with no end in sight, and no change in strategy, other than drop more bombs- is not doing the MIC's bidding?

That's exactly what they want. What is going on in your head? More endless wars...not the MIC's bidding good lawd

dannno
03-27-2017, 02:30 PM
Man Danno I used to like you... what happened to your brain? Totally fried or drank some Koop-aid I guess. How can you say that a president who is increasing the scope of a war that's been ongoing for years and years with no end in sight, and no change in strategy, other than drop more bombs- is not doing the MIC's bidding?


Why don't you like me? I'm just as much against war as I have always been - what I'm betting on, and hoping for, is that Trump will have a much more peaceful foreign policy once his term is up. I think we will see much better numbers out of Trump than previous administrations. I don't like what he is doing now, but if it means that the BS stops sooner than it would have, if it means we stop funding ISIS, if it means we stop trying to topple foreign dictators, if it means we have a much more peaceful relationship with the middle east in the longrun, then I'm all for that option over the alternative of putting a puppet/stooge back in office.

Also what you said is not necessarily correct, we don't know if there has been or will be a change in strategy. Are we still funding ISIS? Is there any proof? I mean, you are using the fact that bombs are falling as an indicator that we haven't changed strategies, but that isn't much in the way of proof.



That's exactly what they want. What is going on in your head? More endless wars...not the MIC's bidding good lawd

I will give it to you that what is happening right now is not beneficial to world peace.. Dropping bombs creates more extremists. But we knew that when Donald Trump got into office he was going to step things up militarily - but I also know that if he is not a puppet, which I don't think he is, he will not keep on with a losing strategy. His ego is way too big, he does not want to fail, he does not want to pass on more crushing debt to his grand kids unnecessarily.

Origanalist
03-27-2017, 03:15 PM
Sending more troops and stepping up drone strikes is not necessarily doing the MIC's bidding. The last administration was funding ISIS to help topple foreign leaders. Trump is attempting to fight ISIS. That sounds like the opposite of doing the MIC's bidding.

Now, I have no idea what is going on over there, and I certainly don't think anything good will come of it except that Trump is one of the few people who could potentially end all this nonsense when he gets sick of it, which he will. People like him don't like wasting money like that.

But hey, maybe you should consider giving some money to George Soros so he can help get rid of Trump for you, and we can go back to having a fucking socialist as our President.

We have one already, you are just are unable to see it. I you were a character in Star Wars the Jedi would have a field day with you. "We're not doing the MIC's bidding... ". Lol, smoke another bowl dannno.

dannno
03-27-2017, 03:27 PM
We have one already, you are just are unable to see it. I you were a character in Star Wars the Jedi would have a field day with you. "We're not doing the MIC's bidding... ". Lol, smoke another bowl dannno.

Can you quote me where I said, "we're not doing the MIC's bidding"?

I have no idea what we are doing, I just don't have any proof at all that what you said is true. Neither do you. If you did, you would post it.

I would think that if Trump was doing the bidding of the MIC, then the elite wouldn't be fighting him so hard and trying to get him kicked out of office.

Champ
03-27-2017, 03:44 PM
All US Presidents since Grover Cleveland have been guilty of treason. So what is the point exactly?

Can I amend your statement from "Grover Cleveland", to "the founding of the country"?

Suzanimal
03-27-2017, 03:53 PM
Can I amend your statement from "Grover Cleveland", to "the founding of the country"?

Amendment seconded.

CPUd
03-27-2017, 04:32 PM
http://i.imgur.com/m7yY67L.jpg

PierzStyx
03-27-2017, 04:42 PM
Can I amend your statement from "Grover Cleveland", to "the founding of the country"?

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/ill_allow_it_community.gif

asurfaholic
03-27-2017, 05:25 PM
Why don't you like me? I'm just as much against war as I have always been - what I'm betting on, and hoping for, is that Trump will have a much more peaceful foreign policy once his term is up. I think we will see much better numbers out of Trump than previous administrations. I don't like what he is doing now, but if it means that the BS stops sooner than it would have, if it means we stop funding ISIS, if it means we stop trying to topple foreign dictators, if it means we have a much more peaceful relationship with the middle east in the longrun, then I'm all for that option over the alternative of putting a puppet/stooge back in office.

Also what you said is not necessarily correct, we don't know if there has been or will be a change in strategy. Are we still funding ISIS? Is there any proof? I mean, you are using the fact that bombs are falling as an indicator that we haven't changed strategies, but that isn't much in the way of proof.




I will give it to you that what is happening right now is not beneficial to world peace.. Dropping bombs creates more extremists. But we knew that when Donald Trump got into office he was going to step things up militarily - but I also know that if he is not a puppet, which I don't think he is, he will not keep on with a losing strategy. His ego is way too big, he does not want to fail, he does not want to pass on more crushing debt to his grand kids unnecessarily.

I don't like you.

I love you.

I want my old dannno back



For the strategy thing, yea I guess there have been some fundamental changes. Like, he is making good on his promise to wipe out all the women and children he can... so there's that. :/

And for the he doesn't want to pass on the debt... may be a bit of a stretch here, but I don't see HIM and THEM as one of us. I think the whole world could collapse and he and his fam would be just fine....

Origanalist
03-27-2017, 07:33 PM
Can you quote me where I said, "we're not doing the MIC's bidding"?

I have no idea what we are doing, I just don't have any proof at all that what you said is true. Neither do you. If you did, you would post it.

I would think that if Trump was doing the bidding of the MIC, then the elite wouldn't be fighting him so hard and trying to get him kicked out of office.

So how many bodies does he have to rack up, how many more troops does he have to commit to wars in countries that aren't attacking us and how many more drone strikes, bombing missions and commando raids does he have to authorize before you realize you've been hoodwinked.

My guess is there never will be enough to convince you, he could drop a nuke on Iran and you would find a way to justify it. You're no better than the so called anti-war left.

dannno
03-27-2017, 08:04 PM
So how many bodies does he have to rack up, how many more troops does he have to commit to wars in countries that aren't attacking us and how many more drone strikes, bombing missions and commando raids does he have to authorize before you realize you've been hoodwinked.

You are still completely missing the point. The MIC's goal is not to kill as many people as possible, their goal is to take over regions they don't control politically and then eventually control them. If Trump is taking out the army that the MIC was using to gain control over a region, can you please explain how that is furthering their goal? Right now, for all we know, Trump is sabotaging the MIC. Now I don't know that, but neither do you so stop claiming you know when you don't.

Just slow down and think for a minute. Tell me how destroying ISIS in Syria, which was a tool of the MIC to help take over Syria, is furthering their goals??

Now once again, I don't support the actions of Donald Trump in this area, I don't know how many times I've had to say that. The point is, when all is said and done, I believe the body count will be much, much lower under Trump and we won't be meddling in other country's affairs nearly as much as we were. It will be a huge improvement over what we had. That is MY prediction. Clearly it is not YOUR prediction, but for the love of fucking samsquanch do NOT play things off like YOUR prediction of what will happen is some how something that I support, like you do here:




My guess is there never will be enough to convince you, he could drop a nuke on Iran and you would find a way to justify it. You're no better than the so called anti-war left.

That is fucking bullshit.

I keep saying that in four years we are all going to look back and see that things are MUCH BETTER, even though right now there is not much indication of that now if you base it solely on the number of military missions we have had so far. I knew that was going to happen from the beginning, we all knew it would ramp up off the bat, I have not been surprised. In fact, I wouldn't have been surprised if he came out of the gates even faster. But I am not expecting this to continue much at all past the next 6-12 months.

AngryCanadian
03-27-2017, 08:11 PM
If the Democratic Party operatives and establishment pundits in MSM have evidence that Russia and Trump have colluded why isn't there any evidence yet?

AngryCanadian
03-27-2017, 08:12 PM
http://i.imgur.com/m7yY67L.jpg

You are getting very annoying Fake Paul supporter.

asurfaholic
03-27-2017, 08:17 PM
No, the MIC's bidding is to profit off continuous wars by making and selling everything that is used in a war that they have the special contracts to produce.

The globalist and banking elite want to control the world and use the MIC and the media, and anything else they can use and control to help their agenda along.

Trump is doing the MICs bidding

AND the globalists

And I also happen to believe that despite this big show that the media is against him, they are after all the ones who helped prop him up and I think it's just an if show to play off people's mistrust in the media. Can you show me one conservative thing he has done? Has he increased liberty?

I see TSA Videos of little boys getting their penises and butt checks fondled by old men in airports in the name of safety. Do you feel safer, dannno?

Origanalist
03-27-2017, 08:19 PM
You are still completely missing the point. The MIC's goal is not to kill as many people as possible, their goal is to take over regions they don't control politically and then eventually control them. If Trump is taking out the army that the MIC was using to gain control over a region, can you please explain how that is furthering their goal? Right now, for all we know, Trump is sabotaging the MIC. Now I don't know that, but neither do you so stop claiming you know when you don't.

Just slow down and think for a minute. Tell me how destroying ISIS in Syria, which was a tool of the MIC to help take over Syria, is furthering their goals??

Now once again, I don't support the actions of Donald Trump in this area, I don't know how many times I've had to say that. The point is, when all is said and done, I believe the body count will be much, much lower under Trump and we won't be meddling in other country's affairs nearly as much as we were. It will be a huge improvement over what we had. That is MY prediction. Clearly it is not YOUR prediction, but for the love of fucking samsquanch do NOT play things off like YOUR prediction of what will happen is some how something that I support, like you do here:




That is fucking bullshit.

I keep saying that in four years we are all going to look back and see that things are MUCH BETTER, even though right now there is not much indication of that now if you base it solely on the number of military missions we have had so far. I knew that was going to happen from the beginning, we all knew it would ramp up off the bat, I have not been surprised. In fact, I wouldn't have been surprised if he came out of the gates even faster. But I am not expecting this to continue much at all past the next 6-12 months.

Oh, I do. By then the puppetmasters will have the Trumpsters head spinning so fast he won't be able to keep up with who we're bombing and why.

And no, it's not bullshit at all. You sound just like the Obama supporters that believed he would end the conflicts despite the quite obvious fact he was doing no such thing. The only thing lacking now is a Nobel Peace Prize.

dannno
03-27-2017, 09:40 PM
And no, it's not bullshit at all. You sound just like the Obama supporters that believed he would end the conflicts despite the quite obvious fact he was doing no such thing. The only thing lacking now is a Nobel Peace Prize.

There is a big difference - Obama was recruited and trained by Soros et. al and was welcomed on the red carpet by the media. I was calling Obama a neocon back in 2007, even though I was hoping he actually wanted to end the wars I did not think he would.. and he ended up expanding them.

The same people are not welcoming Trump, they have done almost everything they can to stop him. That and a few other reasons are why I think you are wrong and the conflicts will de-escalate.