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angelatc
03-25-2017, 09:49 PM
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/paul-ryan-failed-because-his-bill-was-a-dumpster-fire-214952

This is the thing:
As the conservative health-care analyst Philip Klein notes, the contrast with Obamacare couldn’t have been greater. Well before the Obama presidency, Democratic congressional leaders, interest groups and policy experts prepared the groundwork for the ACA, hammering out messy compromises, aligning House committees, working with presidential candidates Hillary Clinton, John Edwards and Barack Obama, all of whom proposed plans similar to what became the ACA. Then in 2009 and 2010, the House and Senate held dozens of hearings over the course of months, not days, and accepted more than 150 Republican amendments along the way. Learning the lessons of President Bill Clinton’s prior failed health reform effort, President Obama let Pelosi and her Senate counterpart Harry Reid take the lead, but he knew the intricacies of the legislation inside and out. Ryan and Trump threw in the towel after just 18 days.

The GOP had 6 years. They just suck donkey balls.

timosman
03-25-2017, 10:10 PM
I thought Ryan was a kingmaker.:confused:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?509007-Paul-Ryan-played-Donald-Trump-for-the-political-amateur-that-he-is

angelatc
03-25-2017, 10:29 PM
I thought Ryan was a kingmaker.:confused:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?509007-Paul-Ryan-played-Donald-Trump-for-the-political-amateur-that-he-is

The article goes on to say they had no idea the GOP was going to win.

timosman
03-25-2017, 10:37 PM
The article goes on to say they had no idea the GOP was going to win.

That's a possibility but they have had plenty of time to prepare.

angelatc
03-25-2017, 10:41 PM
That's a possibility but they have had plenty of time to prepare.
They just didn't. Stupid bastards.

Contumacious
03-25-2017, 10:49 PM
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/paul-ryan-failed-because-his-bill-was-a-dumpster-fire-214952

This is the thing:

The GOP had 6 years. They just suck donkey balls.

Ryan intentionally stabbed DJT in his back. (http://politicsusanews.com/just-killed-healthcare-bill-paul-ryan-secret-meeting-hour-later/)

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timosman
03-25-2017, 10:50 PM
They just didn't. Stupid bastards.

It is amazing how unqualified they are. How stupid do you need to be for someone to bring it to your attention?:confused:

enhanced_deficit
03-25-2017, 10:50 PM
Almost everone in the know thought this would fail, why Ryan kept pushing it? Was it staged?

Or were there additional purposes like to distract media's attention from news of 200 civilians killed in Iraq in US-led raid?

This who events/media reporting cycle has been bizzare, almost illogical on the surface.

PatriotOne
03-25-2017, 11:03 PM
Being "Bannoned"......


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4hm946HDrA

timosman
03-25-2017, 11:07 PM
This guy is a toast. Incompetence in full display for the nation to see. Concrete shoes.

fr33
03-25-2017, 11:10 PM
What do you do when Americans decide that healthcare is a human right? We abandoned being a free country long ago so now Republicans have to decide how to react.

Reactivate free market healthcare and risk getting voted out.

American's, for the most part, don't give a shit about rights and want the government to guarantee the longest life they can achieve.. The constitution or bill of rights doesn't matter. Natural laws especially don't matter either.

Anti Federalist
03-25-2017, 11:11 PM
The article goes on to say they had no idea the GOP was going to win.

Maybe not this time, but they have a long long history of being nothing more than "loyal opposition".

Outside of a few "true believers" they are much closer in thinking to democrats than they would like to admit.

They really do think all of us are nuts.

eleganz
03-25-2017, 11:12 PM
Ryan intentionally stabbed DJT in his back. (http://politicsusanews.com/just-killed-healthcare-bill-paul-ryan-secret-meeting-hour-later/)

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Don't think it was an intentional backstabbing like conspiring to set up Trump to be humiliated, that would make Paul Ryan severely short sighted. I think Paul Ryan had no choice but to bring in that insurance lobby approved POS. He told Trump it was passable and he probably thought it was.

Anti Federalist
03-25-2017, 11:12 PM
They just didn't. Stupid bastards.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to angelatc again.

timosman
03-25-2017, 11:13 PM
What do you do when Americans decide that healthcare is a human right? We abandoned being a free country long ago so now Republicans have to decide how to react.

Reactivate free market healthcare and risk getting voted out.

American's, for the most part, don't give a shit about rights and want the government to guarantee the longest life they can achieve.. The constitution or bill of rights doesn't matter. Natural laws especially don't matter either.

Yep. There is only one way from here. Looks like we will have to fight more wars to close the deficit gap. Soldier, would you fight for your country's debt? :cool:

Anti Federalist
03-25-2017, 11:14 PM
What do you do when Americans decide that healthcare is a human right? We abandoned being a free country long ago so now Republicans have to decide how to react.

Reactivate free market healthcare and risk getting voted out.

American's, for the most part, don't give a shit about rights and want the government to guarantee the longest life they can achieve.. The constitution or bill of rights doesn't matter. Natural laws especially don't matter either.

Fed.

Entertained.

Exercising petty power.

timosman
03-25-2017, 11:18 PM
Fed.

Entertained.

Exercising petty power.

What's not to like?:cool:

Origanalist
03-25-2017, 11:18 PM
What do you do when Americans decide that healthcare is a human right? We abandoned being a free country long ago so now Republicans have to decide how to react.

Reactivate free market healthcare and risk getting voted out.

American's, for the most part, don't give a shit about rights and want the government to guarantee the longest life they can achieve.. The constitution or bill of rights doesn't matter. Natural laws especially don't matter either.

This is the sad reality we live in, and the repubs don't have the balls to do what Trump and they promised. Because even the repub voters would scream bloody murder if they actually "Reactivate free market healthcare".

TheTexan
03-25-2017, 11:27 PM
Being "Bannoned"......


845646761704243200




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4hm946HDrA

I didn't think Ryan was on his way out.

But if Fox is saying it,

ya.. could happen.

TheTexan
03-25-2017, 11:28 PM
What's not to like?:cool:

I'm lovin' it

Origanalist
03-26-2017, 12:06 AM
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eleganz
03-26-2017, 01:40 AM
845514193440694273


That statement would have a lot more oomph if the libertarian party had the balls necessary to be a competitive party.

Noob
03-26-2017, 05:22 AM
Well they prevent her bill from passing also?

http://wkrn.com/2017/03/25/congressman-marsha-blackburn-addresses-health-care-repeal/

jmdrake
03-26-2017, 06:00 AM
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/paul-ryan-failed-because-his-bill-was-a-dumpster-fire-214952

This is the thing:

The GOP had 6 years. They just suck donkey balls.

All they had to do was to re-introduce the clean repeal bills they had been introducing all along or just go with Rand's bill. Instead....

Of course here's the million dollar question. Where the hell was the so called "tea party?" The narrative in the MSM is that "even in red districts constituents are demanding congressmen protect Obamacare." Really? Okay maybe 100 out of 100,000, but all 100 showed up. Where were all the people who had been at all of the right wing rallies demanding this and that? Has the tea party been effectively neutered by the GOP? (rhetorical question.)

RPtotheWH
03-26-2017, 06:57 AM
The Tea party has been a joke for years. I remember when I was doing the delegate thing for Ron Paul in 2012 my local Tea Party was supporting Rick Santorum, yuck.

Jan2017
03-26-2017, 10:50 AM
What do you do when Americans decide that healthcare is a human right? We abandoned being a free country long ago so now Republicans have to decide how to react.

Reactivate free market healthcare and risk getting voted out.

American's, for the most part, don't give a shit about rights and want the government to guarantee the longest life they can achieve.. The constitution or bill of rights doesn't matter. Natural laws especially don't matter either.

I maybe could make some argument that the federal government could have some function to provide catastrophic healthcare coverage,
more as a public health argument perhaps.

But the individual healthcare could be better left to the states - states could be the association of pooled risk talked about, maybe.
But that is for the insurance industry, not government.

phill4paul
03-26-2017, 11:04 AM
Well, there are only eleventy million "think tanks" out there. One would think that at least one of them would have come up with a plan.

oyarde
03-26-2017, 11:08 AM
Well, there are only eleventy million "think tanks" out there. One would think that at least one of them would have come up with a plan.

All they had to do was call me .

merkelstan
03-26-2017, 11:17 AM
I don't live in the US and avoid MSM, so this is the first time i've seen Judge Jeanine. I am absolutely stunned by how twisted and sick her voice is... Can any of you listen to that for more than 10 seconds?

phill4paul
03-26-2017, 11:23 AM
All they had to do was call me .

You are not a government sycophant. I do not think they would allow you in one of their "think tanks."

https://martinschoessler.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/think-tank-map.jpg

oyarde
03-26-2017, 11:27 AM
I don't live in the US and avoid MSM, so this is the first time i've seen Judge Jeanine. I am absolutely stunned by how twisted and sick her voice is... Can any of you listen to that for more than 10 seconds?

Yeah the other one was better :)

FSP-Rebel
03-26-2017, 11:34 AM
‘Art of the Deal’ Healthcare Bill Failure a Way to Oust Paul Ryan and Achieve Full Repeal of Obamacare?

Did Trump give Paul Ryan just enough rope to hang himself? It is no secret that Paul Ryan has contempt for President Trump and is working to sabotage him. This may have been Trump’s plan to have Paul Ryan ousted and replaced.

http://i63.tinypic.com/2871753.jpg

More...Paul Ryan got played (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/art-deal-healthcare-bill-failure-way-oust-paul-ryan-achieve-full-repeal-obamacare/)

timosman
03-26-2017, 11:36 AM
Yeah the other one was better :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wsv6BM4AY8

ifthenwouldi
03-26-2017, 11:40 AM
How do people listen to more than 10 seconds of that voice? Phew...that's rough.

angelatc
03-26-2017, 03:08 PM
What do you do when Americans decide that healthcare is a human right? We abandoned being a free country long ago so now Republicans have to decide how to react.

Reactivate free market healthcare and risk getting voted out..

A huge number of democrats lost their seats precisely because they voted for this monstrosity. I'm sure they considered it a sacrifice for the cause. So yes - reactivate free market health care and risk getting voted out.

fr33
03-26-2017, 08:51 PM
So yes - reactivate free market health care and risk getting voted out.

That's what I'd like too but we didn't have free market healthcare before Obamacare became law either. It's been many decades since we did. Long before I was born. The Freedom Caucus has a hard battle in this debate. People influenced by the left are concerned that they might die without the government forcing me to pay for their healthcare. It's a hard sell when I tell them that they might die with or without my forced "help". When you link welfare to potential live saving healthcare, a lot of people like welfare.

eleganz
03-26-2017, 09:01 PM
A huge number of democrats lost their seats precisely because they voted for this monstrosity. I'm sure they considered it a sacrifice for the cause. So yes - reactivate free market health care and risk getting voted out.

Its more likely that Dems thought Angelic Obama was actually trying to save the country and lower class by bringing heavenly healthcare to the masses. They probably thought it was going to make the party stronger and had no idea that this would happen. Obama didn't even know how bad it would backfire on him, thats what happens when the lobbyists write the bills. If Trump really lets ACA implode, Obama's reputation would go with it.