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Jan2017
03-24-2017, 03:09 PM
Rand Paul takes victory lap on GOP health bill

Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.) quickly declared victory on Friday, praising conservatives for "standing up against ObamaCare Lite."

“I applaud House conservatives for keeping their word to the American people,” Paul said in a statement.

Republican leaders pulled their bill to repeal and replace ObamaCare on Friday afternoon, acknowledging that it was headed toward defeat.
Paul — who has been a top antagonist of the House bill — added that "I look forward to passing full repeal of ObamaCare in the very near future.”
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/325702-rand-paul-takes-victory-lap-on-gop-health-bill

georgiaboy
03-24-2017, 03:13 PM
YEAHH!!!!

jllundqu
03-24-2017, 03:18 PM
Think they'll get anything done on Saturday?

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/18035049/big-lebowski-shomer-shabbos-shomer-fucking-shabbos.jpg

enhanced_deficit
03-24-2017, 03:23 PM
I dunno if any image involvong the the word "victory" would send a great message. A concerned public servant who is appalled by the continous damage from DGPcare and the rising debt/approaching debt ceiling would be better image to convey IMO for anyone in Congress right now.
This is a failure at multiple levels, any feelings of gratification after saving from a bigger blunder should not be really at public display right now.

dannno
03-24-2017, 03:23 PM
Trump is stoked that Rand is helping him get rid of Paul Ryan, Trump will help Rand become a star.

silverhandorder
03-24-2017, 03:27 PM
I am stoked but next comes the hard part. Reaching out to Dems. Cuss full repeal won't happen either.

Some speculating final form will be catastrophic govt care but rest unregulated and unsubsidised.

AuH20
03-24-2017, 03:29 PM
Trump is stoked that Rand is helping him get rid of Paul Ryan, Trump will help Rand become a star.

I doubt it. Trump is surrounded by some very devious people. With that said, I think Bannon is probably ecstatic that Rand rallied the opposition.

givemeliberty2010
03-24-2017, 03:36 PM
Rand Paul takes victory lap on GOP health bill

Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.) quickly declared victory on Friday, praising conservatives for "standing up against ObamaCare Lite."

I applaud House conservatives for keeping their word to the American people, Paul said in a statement.

Republican leaders pulled their bill to repeal and replace ObamaCare on Friday afternoon, acknowledging that it was headed toward defeat.
Paul who has been a top antagonist of the House bill added that "I look forward to passing full repeal of ObamaCare in the very near future.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/325702-rand-paul-takes-victory-lap-on-gop-health-bill
I don't know if I have ever hear why Rand Paul does not think the AHCA is at least an improvement.

specsaregood
03-24-2017, 03:39 PM
Trump is stoked that Rand is helping him get rid of Paul Ryan, Trump will help Rand become a star.

https://youtu.be/7kFcNj2H3z0?t=109

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kFcNj2H3z0&feature=youtu.be&t=109

junior=trump, Richie=ryan, tony=randal....

"loser, he couldn't sell it..."

Jan2017
03-24-2017, 04:11 PM
https://youtu.be/7kFcNj2H3z0?t=109

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kFcNj2H3z0&feature=youtu.be&t=109

junior=trump, Richie=ryan, tony=randal....

"loser, he couldn't sell it..."

"You're a good boy Ryan. Go home, we'll talk."

Effin' loser, he couldn't effin' sell it. He's not respected.
I'm better off with Rand. Definitely.

Valli6
03-24-2017, 04:33 PM
Rand will be talking to Eric Bolling at 8:00PM on Fox news. (Bolling filling in for O'reilly tonight.)

@ericbolling gets it! Obamacare Lite is not the answer to repealing Obamacare! I'll be joining him live tonight on FoxNews at 8pm ET. https://twitter.com/RandPaul

CPUd
03-24-2017, 05:37 PM
Rand will be talking to Eric Bolling at 8:00PM on Fox news. (Bolling filling in for O'reilly tonight.)

LOL Rand is on there pretty much every time O'Reilly has a guest host.

eleganz
03-24-2017, 06:15 PM
But Rand isn't a true libertarian!! :mad::mad:


:toady:

francisco
03-24-2017, 08:56 PM
Rand will be talking to Eric Bolling at 8:00PM on Fox news. (Bolling filling in for O'reilly tonight.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdkZXZLeDpU

dannno
03-24-2017, 09:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gIDFZhsbCA

Injecting much needed common sense into the conversation, as usual :)

Jan2017
03-25-2017, 03:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdkZXZLeDpU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdkZXZLeDpU

Trump : "Perhaps the best thing is what happened today."
Rand : "We will continue on the repeal of Obamacare" "We should bring this up next week (in Senate)"

It is snailhead McConnell's move it seems to me - checkers anyone ?

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/sunblush/mcconnell%20jerk01a_zpsuzrzasbt.jpg (http://s372.photobucket.com/user/sunblush/media/mcconnell%20jerk01a_zpsuzrzasbt.jpg.html)

eleganz
03-25-2017, 03:50 PM
I doubt it. Trump is surrounded by some very devious people. With that said, I think Bannon is probably ecstatic that Rand rallied the opposition.

I read Bannon pressured HFC and told them to 'take one for the team'

Jan2017
03-25-2017, 04:22 PM
I read Bannon pressured HFC and told them to 'take one for the team'

If true, then out of the two at the House GOP Member meeting that came from the WH Team telling Ryan to
gawddarn vote on Friday win or lose . . . (Priebus and Bannon) - watched courtesy of CSPAN live feed -
it is Priebus that stays (?) I'm lost in disinformation.

Anybuddy know 4D chess ?

undergroundrr
03-25-2017, 04:22 PM
With that said, I think Bannon is probably ecstatic that Rand rallied the opposition.

Some reports are indicating the exact opposite - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?508972-Ryan-pulls-the-bill&p=6440341&viewfull=1#post6440341

jmdrake
03-25-2017, 04:23 PM
I am stoked but next comes the hard part. Reaching out to Dems. Cuss full repeal won't happen either.

Some speculating final form will be catastrophic govt care but rest unregulated and unsubsidised.

I can't imagine democrats voting for something even remotely acceptable to the Freedom Caucus. The GOP leadership just needs to adopt Rand's bill and be done with it.

eleganz
03-25-2017, 05:26 PM
If true, then out of the two at the House GOP Member meeting that came from the WH Team telling Ryan to
gawddarn vote on Friday win or lose . . . (Priebus and Bannon) - watched courtesy of CSPAN live feed -
it is Priebus that stays (?) I'm lost in disinformation.

Anybuddy know 4D chess ?

We've seen the 'Trump 4D chess'ing Paul Ryan into irrelevancy' but I think the more realistic thing is that Trump is not paying attention to the details. He trusted Ryan to get it done right so he has something to sign but it all fell apart and all Trump needs to say is, 'whelp I think my part'. Trump aligned himself to this because of Price.




I can't imagine democrats voting for something even remotely acceptable to the Freedom Caucus. The GOP leadership just needs to adopt Rand's bill and be done with it.

Yea but the thing is dems will never vote for a GOP-led anything unless its a response to domestic terrorism, act of war, infrastructure, pork barrel, or debt ceiling.

CPUd
03-25-2017, 05:45 PM
I can't imagine democrats voting for something even remotely acceptable to the Freedom Caucus. The GOP leadership just needs to adopt Rand's bill and be done with it.

That's essentially the White House Plan B- let Obamacare "explode", cut a deal with the Democrats on a repair bill and get a handful of sycophants in the GOP to vote with them and freeze out the real conservatives.

eleganz
03-25-2017, 05:54 PM
That's essentially the White House Plan B- let Obamacare "explode", cut a deal with the Democrats on a repair bill and get a handful of sycophants in the GOP to vote with them and freeze out the real conservatives.

White House can't' afford to be humiliated like this over and over.

jmdrake
03-25-2017, 05:57 PM
That's essentially the White House Plan B- let Obamacare "explode", cut a deal with the Democrats on a repair bill and get a handful of sycophants in the GOP to vote with them and freeze out the real conservatives.

LOL.

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--TxyGPhCX--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/186j7vxgr3kpxjpg.jpg

I don't think Trump wants to be a one term president. And any GOPer that voted for something like that could kiss his/her political career goodbye as well.

CPUd
03-25-2017, 06:14 PM
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/845645916732358656




...
QUESTION: Do you feel betrayed by the House Freedom Caucus at all? They seemed to be the most difficult...

(CROSSTALK)

TRUMP: No, not particularly. They're friends of mine. I'm disappointed because we could have had it. So I'm disappointed. I'm a little surprised, to be honest with you. We really had it. It was pretty much there within grasp.

But I'll tell you what's going to come out of it is a better bill. I really believe a better bill, because there were things in this bill I didn't particularly like. And I think it's a better bill. You know, both parties can get together and do real health care, that's the best thing. Obamacare was rammed down everyone's throat, 100 percent Democrat. And I think having bipartisan would be a big, big improvement. So, no, I think that this is going to end up being a very good thing.

I'm disappointed, but they're friends of mine. And, you know, they got on -- it was a very hard time for them and a very hard vote. But they're very good people.

(CROSSTALK)

QUESTION: ... necessarily love, what specifically aren't you?

TRUMP: Well, I think we could have had things that I would have liked more. And if we had bipartisan I really think we could have a health care bill that would be the ultimate. And I think the Democrats know that also.

And some day in the not too distant future that will happen. And I never said -- I guess I'm here, what, 64 days? I never said repeal and replace Obamacare. You've all heard my speeches. I never said repeal it and replace it within 64 days. I have a long time.

But I want to have a great health care bill and plan, and we will. It will happen. And it won't be in the very distant future. I really believe there will be some Democrat support and that will happen, and it will be an even better bill.

I think this was a very good bill. I think it will be even better the next time around. And I don't think that's going to be in too long a period of time.

QUESTION: Anything specifically you want to see changed going from this bill to the next bill?

TRUMP: No, I mean, I don't want to speak about specifics, but there are things I could have -- I would have liked even more. But I thought overall this was a very, very good bill.
...

http://time.com/4713107/donald-trump-transcript-ahca-bill/

Jamesiv1
03-25-2017, 07:49 PM
The battle is not between Repubs and Dems, or between Freedom Caucus and Leadership.

The battle is between the ones that want to do it right (like Rand), and the damn insurance lobby.

The health insurance industry is one of the biggest lobby groups in Washington. They have lawmakers in their pocket from both sides of the aisle, in leadership positions as well as rank-and-file.

They are embedded, they are invested, and they won't give it up without a fight. No way.

"Anybody that thinks they will give you back your country without a fight is sadly mistaken." --Steve Bannon

sparebulb
03-25-2017, 07:56 PM
The big question is:

Will Trump blame this aborted abortion on LyinRyan or Rand?

eleganz
03-25-2017, 08:08 PM
The big question is:

Will Trump blame this aborted abortion on LyinRyan or Rand?

Its already very clear that Trump does not blame Rand or the conservatives for this one.