Trump: Ryan should remain Speaker even if healthcare vote fails

[William Tell]

Trump tells reporters that Paul Ryan should stay on as Speaker if the health care vote fails

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President Trump said Friday that Paul Ryan (http://thehill.com/people/paul-ryan) (R-Wis.) should remain Speaker of the House if the afternoon vote on the GOP healthcare plan fails.


“Yes,” he said when asked if Ryan should keep his job.


http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/325615-trump-ryan-should-remain-speaker-even-if-healthcare-vote-fails

[CPUd]

8D multiverse

[WTLaw]

Paul Ryan and Donald Trump, Donald sure got Ryan "There" after all.

Cucks, both of them.

[undergroundrr]

Clearly he means the opposite of what he said.

[TheCount]

http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/additional/large/ec82_horse_head_mask_office.jpg

[dannno]

This is what is called "doubling down"

[TheCount]

This is what is called "doubling down"Doubling down on his plan to remove Ryan as speaker by supporting him as speaker?

Do you offer seminars or maybe 45 minute Youtube videos wherein I can learn the secrets of superdimensional chess?

[sparebulb]

Hopefully, Trump said this is in the context of Br'er Rabbit.

[Jan2017]

Well without the WH, Ryan wasn't gonna even have the vote. Trump can give his plug of support before the votes are cast.

Any "privileged" House member like Meadows (not sure how many qualify) can introduce a Motion to Vacate Speaker (like he did against Boehner).

https://www.c-span.org/video/?425937-1/house-debates-gop-health-care-bill-vote-expected-afternoon&live=
It is sob stories from both sides of the aisle
If GOP bill doesn't pass . . . death, abortions
If GOP bill passes . . . "44,000 more deaths in your own district"

I am convinced already - they're right.

[osan]

Well, this one defies any sense of a masterfully oblique strategy. What possible valid basis could there be for not publicly calling on Ryan to be hung from the yardarm? It is no wonder some are already feeling betrayed. But if Trump is indeed betraying us, one has to ask by what virtue. Is it as simple as this is what the position does to even the best of men? I doubt it, but will not dismiss the possibility out of hand. Perhaps Theye have been able to bring even the big-talking Trump to heel? I see this as a front-runner possibility. I see no reason Theye would necessarily have to fear any repercussions by Trump, were they to come very openly to the point that if he does not toe their line, he will live to see his entire family murdered just prior to following them into the Void. If the stakes are as high as some speculative models of our political reality would suggest, Theye really have little to lose by putting the cards on the table through the agency of a messenger boy. If it fails and is exposed, the news reports the carrier as having been mentally ill, family problems, health issues, what have you. But with the rightly convincing presentation, how likely would Trump be to live up to his super-human bravado in the face of certain defeat? I suppose it is possible, but seems rather unlikely to me, in which case we find ourselves being treated to another clone president who cheerfully bends us over the wood yet again. Just a thought.

Hopefully the vote crashes and burns as we get to see what Trump means by "We'll have to see what happens."

So far, the results of this election most recent cannot be called stellar. Probably far less immediately destructive than they would have been under Clinton, but that may not be saying much.

But there remains opportunities for Trump to see any errors of his ways and make proper amends. The coming months will show a truer measure of the man's outward ego v. his better sense.

[jllundqu]

Of course he means the opposite folks. He HAS to support Ryan in public but secretly he's working with Rand and the Freedom Caucus to remove him as Speaker so they can REALLY get CONSTITUTIONAL and CONSERVATIVE and fix healthcare, taxes, and the whole damn country! #MAGA.


/sarc

[dannno]

Doubling down on his plan to remove Ryan as speaker by supporting him as speaker?

Do you offer seminars or maybe 45 minute Youtube videos wherein I can learn the secrets of superdimensional chess?

It's really not that complicated. Trump is doing everything he can to support the bill and Paul Ryan so that when it fails, the blame falls squarely on Paul Ryan. I said this yesterday. Why wouldn't more this kind of behavior be expected?

[dannno]

Of course he means the opposite folks. He HAS to support Ryan in public but secretly he's working with Rand and the Freedom Caucus to remove him as Speaker so they can REALLY get CONSTITUTIONAL and CONSERVATIVE and fix healthcare, taxes, and the whole damn country! #MAGA.


/sarc

So what does Rand mean when he keeps re-iterating to TV hosts that he and Trump are on the same side?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?508879-Rand-Paul-on-Erin-Burnett-OutFront-3-21-2017

[William Tell]

So what does Rand mean when he keeps re-iterating to TV hosts that he and Trump are on the same side?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?508879-Rand-Paul-on-Erin-Burnett-OutFront-3-21-2017
If Rand's said it 1 time he's said it one million times, Republicans are united on repeal, not replacement. If you don't know what that means I can't help you.

[Ender]

This is what is called "doubling down"

Knew you're answer before I even read your post. ;)

MAGA!

[CaptUSA]

It's really not that complicated. Trump is doing everything he can to support the bill and Paul Ryan so that when it fails, the blame falls squarely on Paul Ryan. I said this yesterday. Why wouldn't more this kind of behavior be expected?

What a wonderful world you must live in. Anything he says that you like brings you joy! Anything he says that you don't like bring you even more joy because you know what he's really doing! Anything his administration does that you like is because of Trump's strong leadership! Anything they do that you don't like is just a temporary chess move in order to get you more of the things you do like!

In other words... to Dannno, Trump is infallible. He cannot possibly do or say anything that could demonstrate otherwise. Sessions? Pffft. Ryan? Please. Tillerson? Not to worry. Pence? Just a pawn of the master. I guess love truly is blind.

[WTLaw]

If Rand's said it 1 time he's said it one million times, Republicans are united on repeal, not replacement. If you don't know what that means I can't help you.

Rand is trying to give Trump the room to walk it back, but Trump isnt taking the offer. Trump is a child, he can be manipulated like a child. Rand tried to drive a wedge between Ryan and Trump, but Ryan and Trump are for whatever reason still in love.

[undergroundrr]

I get it now. He's leaving all droning decisions to the CIA. He's leaving all military decisions to the MIC. And he's leaving all legislation to Rand, Justin and Thomas.

Genius. ∞D

[undergroundrr]

Rand is trying to give Trump the room to walk it back, but Trump isnt taking the offer.

Liberty thought is so alien to trump, Rand might as well be speaking Russian.

[jllundqu]

Liberty thought is so alien to trump, Rand might as well be speaking Russian.

I read on CNN that trump is fluent in Russian, so this shouldn't be an issue. ;)

[dannno]

If Rand's said it 1 time he's said it one million times, Republicans are united on repeal, not replacement. If you don't know what that means I can't help you.

Did you even watch the video? That's not what he was talking about.

[William Tell]

Did you even watch the video? That's not what he was talking about.

Yes I did its exactly what he was talking about.

[dannno]

What a wonderful world you must live in. Anything he says that you like brings you joy! Anything he says that you don't like bring you even more joy because you know what he's really doing! Anything his administration does that you like is because of Trump's strong leadership! Anything they do that you don't like is just a temporary chess move in order to get you more of the things you do like!

In other words... to Dannno, Trump is infallible. He cannot possibly do or say anything that could demonstrate otherwise. Sessions? Pffft. Ryan? Please. Tillerson? Not to worry. Pence? Just a pawn of the master. I guess love truly is blind.

He isn't infallible, but he is very effective and will be a positive influence on government compared to what we have had in the past, and certainly what we would have had with Hillary.

I mean, I would rather have Rand step in there and do everything Ron wanted to do, but it's not a very realistic option in our current system, with current congress and with our current voting populace. I'll support him running 100% any time, though, and my priority would be to change those conditions when the time comes.

But I'm not going to work to drag down a President who is working with Rand in the Senate and is working to move things in the right direction when we have so many forces pulling us in the wrong direction.

[WTLaw]

CNN reporting that the votes arent there, now Ryan is meeting with Trump to get Trumps opinion on going forward.

In other words, Trump wants this too. He wants it out of the way.

[CaptUSA]

He isn't infallible...

Sure he is. In your eyes, he can do no wrong. You've demonstrated that over and over. Because even if you don't like something, you believe that he's really only doing it because of something better. Infallible.

[Jan2017]

CNN reporting that the votes arent there, now Ryan is meeting with Trump to get Trumps opinion on going forward.

In other words, Trump wants this too. He wants it out of the way.

Trump wants the vote either way . . . Ryan knows his destiny is getting slaughtered.

House voted last night to vote today Friday,
just after Ryan came to the podium after the meeting attended by Priebus and Bannon and GOP members.
(video)
https://www.c-span.org/video/?425914-1/speaker-ryan-says-house-will-vote-health-care-bill

[TheTexan]

If Rand's said it 1 time he's said it one million times, Republicans are united on repeal, not replacement. If you don't know what that means I can't help you.

Ya, sure... they seem, really.. really united on that whole repeal thing

[dannno]

Sure he is. In your eyes, he can do no wrong. You've demonstrated that over and over. Because even if you don't like something, you believe that he's really only doing it because of something better. Infallible.

I'm not sure how someone who is infallible can drone innocent people :confused:

I mean, I think ultimately we will have a more peaceful foreign policy and right now he just is testing the waters and such, but I don't want to throw him under the bus and get some deep state stooge like Mike Pence in there.. but ya I really don't see where this infallible stuff is coming from. I just believe he has different motivations than you do, it's pretty simple.

[Jan2017]

Ya, sure... they seem, really.. really united on that whole repeal thing

Didn't they already pass that both in House and Senate and Obama of course vetoed ? (honest question -I really am not sure)
Can't they just do it and have Trump sign it now ?

[TheTexan]

Didn't they already pass that both in House and Senate and Obama of course vetoed ? (honest question -I really am not sure)
Can't they just do it and have Trump sign it now ?

It's not that simple... maybe it was that simple when Obama was veto'ing it, but it's not that simple now.

There are reasons, legitimate, perfectly valid, reasons, why a simple repeal no longer makes sense.

That was then, this is now.

Does that help to clarify?

I hope that makes sense.

[undergroundrr]

Sure he is. In your eyes, he can do no wrong. You've demonstrated that over and over. Because even if you don't like something, you believe that he's really only doing it because of something better. Infallible.

dannno starts many posts by stating that trump isn't perfect. Then he spends the rest of the post describing how perfect trump is.

He should start his posts with less generalization and more specificity.

I'll go ahead and write him a few he can use in future threads to save him time:

trump is a remorseless baby killer. But he's so much better than Hillary.
trump is a progressive liberal. But you should see what it would be like if Hillary had won.
trump is for single-payer health care. But at least he's not Hillary, who would have been much worse.
trump is a gutless tool for the MIC and CIA. But what if Hillary had won, like CPUd wanted?
trump is totally bought and paid for by bankers. Hillary would have been a total disaster though.

You don't have to thank me dannno. Just trying to free up some time so you can maybe fit another Stef video or two into your day.

EDIT: I just read post #28. He's coming around I tell ya.

[Ender]

I'm not sure how someone who is infallible can drone innocent people :confused:

I mean, I think ultimately we will have a more peaceful foreign policy and right now he just is testing the waters and such, but I don't want to throw him under the bus and get some deep state stooge like Mike Pence in there.. but ya I really don't see where this infallible stuff is coming from. I just believe he has different motivations than you do, it's pretty simple.

Sure and here they are- my POV on Trump to perfection:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_qtANL5qAo