Contractor brief for President Trump's border wall calls for it to be 30 feet high, 'aesthetic

[Zippyjuan]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trump-border-wall-30-feet-high-aesthetically-pleasing-article-1.3001828

And it should be "beautiful" as seen from the US side. Border agents don't want a solid wall- they want to be able to see what is going on on the other side. They don't want a solid, concrete wall.


If the U.S. Customs and Border Protection gets its way, President Trump's border wall will be tall, tough and human proof.

The federal agency charged with beefing up the nation's southern border on Friday night released its guidelines for hundreds of contractors vying to build Trump's campaign promise. The specifics are technical within reason, reflecting Trump's mission to restrict border crossings.

The bid calls for two types of proposals: a wall constructed of reinforced concrete and another with a "see-through component/capability." Ultimately, the wall will cut through at least 1,000 miles of mountains, desert and farms — possibly through eminent domain land grabs — bordering the southwest border in California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.

The government's wish list describes a wall that is "physically imposing in height" and towers at least 18 feet over Mexico, but contractors are urged to build higher.

"The Government's nominal concept is for a 30-foot high wall," according to Department of Homeland Security records.

Both walls will prevent people from climbing over, even with the help of ladders or grappling hooks, or tunneling under it. And if an ambitious traveler wants to breach the barrier, it should take them at least an hour to penetrate the wall with handheld tools such as sledgehammers or blowtorches.

The wall may be a dream-killer for those trekking through Central America and Mexico to reach the United States, but those gazing upon its stature from U.S. soil should expect a wall that blends in with the "surrounding environment."

"The north side of the wall shall be aesthetically pleasing in color, anti-climb texture, etc," the agency's threshold requirements state.

Contractors will show off their mockups with a 10-by-10-foot prototype at an undisclosed location in San Diego. Proposals are due March 29 and already more than 400 companies have submitted bids.

The cost and even the size of the wall has varied during Trump's presidential campaign and his time in the White House.

The President has called for a wall that soars 65 feet in height before settling on a mere 30 feet and he often boasts that Mexico will foot the bill, despite President Enrique Peña Nieto scoffing at notion.

Trump claims the initial construction cost will only set back the U.S. about $10 billion but that number is considered a lowball estimate by experts, who believe the wall will cause a $25 billion budget impact, according to a Washington Post report.

The MIT Technology Review predicts a wall as depicted by U.S. Customs and Border Protection could cost even more — at least $29.3 billion.

[Zippyjuan]

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/2017/02/08/dhs-secretary-border-officers-prefer-wall-they-can-see-through/


DHS Secretary: Border Officers Prefer Wall They Can See Through

WASHINGTON -- Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly told Congress on Tuesday that law enforcement on the border are telling him they'd rather have a border barrier with visibility to the Mexican side and vice versa.

Kelly told the House Homeland Security Committee about his recent recent down to south Texas to tour "the most affected part of the border" and talk with local police, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement and Customs and Border Patrol officers.

"We're not going to be able to build a wall everywhere all at once. So, part of the reason I went down there, first and foremost, was to ask the people that know more about this than anyone else on the planet: Do we need -- do we need -- we have walls. There's walls there, parts of walls in strategic places in McAllen on the border," Kelly said. "But do we need more wall?"

"And they said, well, you know, Secretary, we need to extend some walls; we need to fill in some places with physical barriers. My preference -- their preference would not be something they couldn't see through. That was a finding for me," he noted. 'But they very definitely said: Yes, sir, we need a physical barrier backed up by people like us -- meaning CBP and local law enforcement -- with technology where it's appropriate."

"And they had in their mind that many hundreds of miles of that sector, they had places where they wanted a physical barrier constructed, you know, tomorrow or actually yesterday, and then tomorrow -- today, tomorrow -- and you see the point. And they did point out there are parts of the border that are right now not as much of an issue as they are, say, right here in McAllen."

Kelly is planning to visit the Tucson and San Diego sectors this week. "Not going to build it all in an afternoon, so we'll build it in the places that the people that work that border say we need it right now," he said.

Pressed on the timeline, Kelly said it would depend on funding "but I'd like to see that we would be well underway within two years."

[CPUd]

The north side of the wall shall be aesthetically pleasing in color, anti-climb texture, etc

https://i.imgur.com/X8FYXYG.jpg

[phill4paul]

Don't forget a big beautiful door.

[Zippyjuan]

Don't forget a big beautiful door.

Think you posted in the wrong thread.

30 feet tall and 2,000 miles long. Build me a wall 30 feet high and I will find a guy with a 31 foot tall ladder (or a shovel to dig under it).

Proposals (not really):

http://www.mrwallpaper.com/wallpapers/wall-flowers.jpg

http://yalibnan.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/trump-wall.jpg

https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/trump-wall-3.jpg?w=416&h=235

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLSHSh0bxiaCKQxbMqwyt_fDOPgplDL FhDN5WvJmTSx_BHZyh2DA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NjNL4Nsa4Q

[Dr.3D]

They need to top it with high tension lines.

:p

[RPtotheWH]

Think you posted in the wrong thread.

30 feet tall and 2,000 miles long. Proposals (not really):

http://www.mrwallpaper.com/wallpapers/wall-flowers.jpg

http://yalibnan.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/trump-wall.jpg

https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/trump-wall-3.jpg?w=416&h=235

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLSHSh0bxiaCKQxbMqwyt_fDOPgplDL FhDN5WvJmTSx_BHZyh2DA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NjNL4Nsa4Q

How can you compare a wall that divided a city within a country to a wall that divides two different countries and not feel disingenuous?

[phill4paul]

Just put up a bunch of cameras and sensors and drone stations. Create a video game that allows players to "live track" those crossing the border. For $9.99 a month players can log in to a randomly generated camera/sensors/drone. Scores are kept w/ prizes. The winner for "most caught" Will get a presidential award/medal of "Awesomesauce." All funds from the game can go to pay border militia. They also get awards/medals for "best responder."

No cost to tax payers. Those that care about the issue can participate as trackers and hunters.

[Zippyjuan]

How can you compare a wall that divided a city within a country to a wall that divides two different countries and not feel disingenuous?

Don't walls make for good neighbors? Isn't that why we have one with Canada? (wait- we don't. That border is wide open! What about National Security? !!!)

Immigration from Mexico has been zero for several years (same or more leaving than coming to the US). Immigration today coming from Asia. Where is our Asian wall to keep them out? http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/china-india-replace-mexico-top-u-s-immigrant-origin-nations-n353256


China, India Replace Mexico As Top U.S. Immigrant Origin Nations


A new review of 2013 immigration data shows that China replaced Mexico as the top country of origin for immigrants to the United States. The 2013 American Community Survey, conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau, recorded 1,201,000 immigrants. Of those, 125,000 came from Mexico, 129,000 came from India, and 147,000 came from China. The previous year, Mexican immigration (125,000) just topped Chinese immigration (124,000).

According to Eric Jensen, Statistician/Demographer with the Census Bureau's Population Division, this latest flip followed "a decade where immigration from China and India increased while immigration from Mexico decreased." Jensen reports that in 2000, 41.2 percent of all foreign-born immigrants were Hispanic, but by 2009, that number had fallen to 30.1 percent, while the rate of immigration for non-Hispanic Asian, foreign-born grew to 34.7 percent.

[RPtotheWH]

Just put up a bunch of cameras and sensors and drone stations. Create a video game that allows players to "live track" those crossing the border. For $9.99 a month players can log in to a randomly generated camera/sensors/drone. Scores are kept w/ prizes. The winner for "most caught" Will get a presidential award/medal of "Awesomesauce." All funds from the game can go to pay border militia. They also get awards/medals for "best responder."

No cost to tax payers. Those that care about the issue can participate as trackers and hunters.

You might not even have to charge:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/4chans-pol-using-border-webcams-help-report-illegals/

[RPtotheWH]

Don't walls make for good neighbors? Isn't that why we have one with Canada? (wait- we don't. That border is wide open! What about National Security? !!!)

Immigration from Mexico has been zero for several years (same or more leaving than coming to the US). Immigration today coming from Asia. Where is our Asian wall to keep them out? http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/china-india-replace-mexico-top-u-s-immigrant-origin-nations-n353256

Actually they make great neighbors. Plus Reagan was too big gov for me, why is he telling foreign countries what to do? Are you pro-interventionist?

Edit to add:

Canada might be building their own wall soon enough:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-18/mexicans-flood-canada-2017-border-detentions-surpass-all-2016

[luctor-et-emergo]

http://www.toptenz.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/wall-got.jpg

This one has done well for tourism.

[phill4paul]

You might not even have to charge:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/4chans-pol-using-border-webcams-help-report-illegals/

There ya go. Problem solved.

[Zippyjuan]

Actually they make great neighbors. Plus Reagan was too big gov for me, why is he telling foreign countries what to do? Are you pro-interventionist?

Is Ron Paul? https://mises.org/blog/ron-paul-sums-his-anti-wall-anti-mass-deportation-views-immigration


The idea of building walls around the country, I think it’s a joke. I could never take a position that we need more barbed wire to solve this problem.


http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2017/january/30/a-better-solution-than-trump-s-border-wall/


Just one week in office, President Trump is already following through on his pledge to address illegal immigration. His January 25th executive order called for the construction of a wall along the entire length of the US-Mexico border. While he is right to focus on the issue, there are several reasons why his proposed solution will unfortunately not lead us anywhere closer to solving the problem.

First, the wall will not work. Texas already started building a border fence about ten years ago. It divided people from their own property across the border, it deprived people of their land through the use of eminent domain, and in the end the problem of drug and human smuggling was not solved.

Second, the wall will be expensive. The wall is estimated to cost between 12 and 15 billion dollars. You can bet it will be more than that. President Trump has claimed that if the Mexican government doesn’t pay for it, he will impose a 20 percent duty on products imported from Mexico. Who will pay this tax? Ultimately, the American consumer, as the additional costs will be passed on. This will of course hurt the poorest Americans the most.

Third, building a wall ignores the real causes of illegal border crossings into the United States. Though President Trump is right to prioritize the problem of border security, he misses the point on how it can be done effectively and at an actual financial benefit to the country rather than a huge economic drain.

[RPtotheWH]

Is Ron Paul? https://mises.org/blog/ron-paul-sums-his-anti-wall-anti-mass-deportation-views-immigration

I don't have to agree with Ron Paul on everything. Someone that is with me 90% of the time can be a friend, a big gov guy said that............

[Zippyjuan]

http://www.toptenz.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/wall-got.jpg

This one has done well for tourism.

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[phill4paul]

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right click - open in new tab

It's the Great Wall of China.

[CPUd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfbuALxevTU

[Zippyjuan]

right click - open in new tab

It's the Great Wall of China.

Still says access denied (using Chrome).

The owner of this website (www.toptenz.net) does not allow hotlinking to that resource

This wall (Israel) has certainly not helped tourism. The existing 600 miles of border wall in the US haven't helped tourism. The Great Wall of China is no longer intact or an effective border deterrent. Berlin did much better after their wall was taken down. Prisons need walls.

http://afgj.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/israeli-separation-wall-divides-shuafat-refugee-camp.jpg

[opal]

Any of you Trump lovers might want to watch the series Colony

[RPtotheWH]

Any of you Trump lovers might want to watch the series Colony

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/dd/ee/7a/ddee7a228ae5c095633a2a3528324526.jpg

[Madison320]

I don't have to agree with Ron Paul on everything. Someone that is with me 90% of the time can be a friend, a big gov guy said that............

Especially since Zippy disagrees with Ron Paul 90% of the time. Zippy quoting Ron Paul is the definition of hypocrisy.

[opal]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/dd/ee/7a/ddee7a228ae5c095633a2a3528324526.jpg

ya know.. I figured that meme would appear after my post.. yer fast
but it's also got a ginormous wall

[Zippyjuan]

Especially since Zippy disagrees with Ron Paul 90% of the time. Zippy quoting Ron Paul is the definition of hypocrisy.

I also do not agree with Ron Paul on everything. On the wall, I do. A government solution in search of a problem. What is it to protect us from?

Crime? Immigrants have lower crime rates than citizens.
Terrorism? Our domestic terrorism events have nearly all been by people who are citizens or born here. 9/11 terrorists were in the country legally. They didn't sneak across the border (some at the time did try to get across the Canadian border). Half of those currently in the country illegally didn't sneak across the border either- they entered legally and stayed.

It is perhaps ironic that tighter border security increased the numbers of illegal immigrants in the country. In the past, migrants came to work in the US for a few months, earn some money, and return home. As the crossing became more difficult, when they came, they stayed and sent money home. Then instead of returning to their families in their home countries, tried to bring their families here to join them in the US.

[phill4paul]

Physical walls are archaic. History has proved they can be undermined, flown over, gone around, cannon balled.....

Waste of money.

[Zippyjuan]

Physical walls are archaic. History has proved they can be undermined, flown over, gone around, cannon balled.....

Waste of money.

They go over, under, and around (and sometimes through) the existing 600 miles of wall we already have.

http://fourwinds10.com/resources/uploads/images/rocky%204.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/01/15/18/3C2812F100000578-0-image-a-1_1484505574653.jpg

[enhanced_deficit]

This wall (Israel) has certainly not helped tourism. ...
Prisons need walls.

http://afgj.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/israeli-separation-wall-divides-shuafat-refugee-camp.jpg

Are you implying Gaza is a US taxpayers funded prison?
Has you ever condemned SWC Hillary for supporting this wall?

Where do you stand on MX taxpyers funded (allegedly) Trump's proposed Wall vs US taxpayers funded Israel's wall ..do you condemn it or support it?



http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8wm1J_gtWiY/UMIOeREKc8I/AAAAAAAAnNg/tYuzTmmd8B4/s1600/Dreams+From+My+Second+Term.jpghttp://supremepatriot.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Screen-Shot-2016-12-30-at-8.48.11-AM.png






As to above cited Wall , that's even 5 feet higher than wall of Israel, a country with highly discriminating taste when it comes to letting people in... other than approved selective influx of Syrian ISIS types wounded jihadis seeking medical help.

http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s480x480/e15/11055774_804274252998761_1379165254_n.jpg?ig_cache _key=OTUwMjE0NTMyMDYzMTkyODg2.2


Would be interesting to see how left wing neocons/media owners/DGP's masters etc would try to attack Trump on this plan if he rolled out Israeli wall's architecture in front of them as a model.






Related

Caution, some may find Trump's tweet at below link highly controversial:

Trump calls out Hillary Clinton for her support for Israel’s separation wall (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?487762-Trump-calls-out-Hillary-Clinton-for-her-support-for-Israel%E2%80%99s-separation-wall&)

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Voted one star for a ZippyJuan thread.

[Zippyjuan]

Woohoo! I'm #1!

Anybody- just curious- do people decided to read or not read a thread based on its rating or on its topic?

[AuH20]

Let's dress up the wall with skulls and bodies for effect. It worked in the old days.

[RPtotheWH]

Woohoo! I'm #1!

Anybody- just curious- do people decided to read or not read a thread based on its rating or on its topic?

If the answer is yes, are you going to have your spam bots run around and 5-star your threads?

[UWDude]

Any of you Trump lovers might want to watch the series Colony

Who the hell has time to watch a bunch of hollywood crap?
I notice a ton of you post memes from television shows and movies.
What a waste of time.
And then you pontificate on the moral lessons we can learn from your fantasy lands?

Whatever dude. You people are lost in the land of make believe.

[CPUd]

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/817329823374831617

[Ender]

Who the hell has time to watch a bunch of hollywood crap?
I notice a ton of you post memes from television shows and movies.
What a waste of time.
And then you pontificate on the moral lessons we can learn from your fantasy lands?

Whatever dude. You people are lost in the land of make believe.

Here's some Hollywood crap for you- never been more true than it is today:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw88MWoqenQ