POLL: Who is trump an agent of?

[UWDude]

So, is he a puppet in a well orchestrated show for American/neocon/globalist "them" or the "deep state"
Is he a puppet for Putin?
Is he a puppet for Putin, who is part of the deep state, or a puppet of the deep state, which is ran by Putin, or some other worldwide cabal including Putin and the CIA etc?
Is he an agent of himself, out for money and glory?
Is he just a populist, trying to do what he thinks is popular and will give him a bigger win in 2020?

[nikcers]

The false Trumpet concealing madness will cause Byzantium to change its laws. From Egypt there will go forth a man who wants the edict withdrawn, changing money and standards.

[UWDude]

The false Trumpet concealing madness will cause Byzantium to change its laws. From Egypt there will go forth a man who wants the edict withdrawn, changing money and standards.

Vote or STFU

[Origanalist]

Vote or STFU

I'll not vote OR STFU, so blow me.

[UWDude]

I'll not vote OR STFU, so blow me.

Who is trump an agent of? What is his agenda?
You are so sure of it.

[Origanalist]

Who is trump an agent of? What is his agenda?
You are so sure of it.

Sure of what?

[MallsRGood]

Trump's ultimate goal is to promote Trump so that Trump hears "Trump" more on TV and Trump can feel better about being Trump.

So, I vote option 4, but several of the others apply.

In the course of pursuing this lifelong goal, Trump ends up working for other people, like a prostitute - for the MIC, for instance.

[UWDude]

Sure of what?

All that shit you talk about who he is, and what he is doing. You claim to know why he is doing what he is doing, so who is he working for?

[UWDude]

Trump's ultimate goal is to promote Trump so that Trump hears "Trump" more on TV and Trump can feel better about being Trump.

So, I vote option 4, but several of the others apply.

In the course of pursuing this lifelong goal, Trump ends up working for other people, like a prostitute - for the MIC, for instance.

So he is working with the deep state?

[nikcers]

Vote or STFU
Trump is whatever you want him to be. He is a political inkblot, a unique snowflake. For lack of a better term he is Ron Paul on steroids. Fricken steroids man.

[Origanalist]

All that shit you talk about who he is, and what he is doing. You claim to know why he is doing what he is doing, so who is he working for?

You need new meds fuckstick.

[UWDude]

Trump is whatever you want him to be. He is a political inkblot, a unique snowflake. For lack of a better term he is Ron Paul on steroids. Fricken steroids man.


Nice dodge. So you have an opinion on what trump is doing... ...and it is close to one of the five options, but instead of voting, you are going to talk, because the poll is public, and you don;t want to be on record.

Or you haven't the foggiest idea what Trump's agenda, and who is driving him is. You just hate him.

[UWDude]

You need new meds $#@!stick.

LoL
I don't do meds like your depressed ass.
Never have, never will.

Why dont you answer the question?

All that $#@! you talk about who he is, and what he is doing. You claim to know why he is doing what he is doing, so who is he working for?

Come on man, lay it on the table. What is Trump's objective?
Afraid to actually pick an option from the poll because it is public?
Just want to run your mouth on a thread with a poll, without voting in it?

[oyarde]

I hope that trump becomes an agent of the people .

[nikcers]

You need new meds $#@!stick.
drink the orange cool aid or gtfo

[Origanalist]

LoL
I don't do meds like your depressed ass.
Never have, never will.

Why dont you answer the question?


Come on man, lay it on the table. What is Trump's objective?
Afraid to actually pick an option from the poll because it is public?
Just want to run your mouth on a thread with a poll, without voting in it?

I don't give a fuck about your poll, you're a worse troll than slippy zippy.

[UWDude]

You need new meds

drink the orange cool aid

Oh, are we now in a cliche contest?

[nikcers]

Nice dodge. So you have an opinion on what trump is doing... ...and it is close to one of the five options, but instead of voting, you are going to talk, because the poll is public, and you don;t want to be on record.

Or you haven't the foggiest idea what Trump's agenda, and who is driving him is. You just hate him. Hate is a strong word, I don't really hate him. I just don't want him to lead the country into ruin. Trumps agenda can be seen by the people who has appointed to achieve that agenda. You can't make bread with a bag of hammers.

[Superfluous Man]

All of the above.

Also, Satan.

[MallsRGood]

So he is working with the deep state?

If "deep state" means the big, entrenched special interests (MIC, Wall Street, etc), obviously.

[UWDude]

I don't give a $#@! about your poll, you're a worse troll than slippy zippy.

If you dont give a fuck about the poll, why are you posting substanceless nonsense in it?

[Ender]

I'll let Trump say it:

From The Art of the Deal:

On exaggeration: "The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people's fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That's why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It's an innocent form of exaggeration, and a very effective form of promotion."

[UWDude]

Trump's ultimate goal is to promote Trump so that Trump hears "Trump" more on TV and Trump can feel better about being Trump.

So, I vote option 4, but several of the others apply.

In the course of pursuing this lifelong goal, Trump ends up working for other people, like a prostitute - for the MIC, for instance.

Did the deep state set him up, (same as all the other puppet elections) or do you think they are corrupting him?

[MallsRGood]

I hope that trump becomes an agent of the people .

I hope to acquire a unicorn which shits money.

[Origanalist]

If you dont give a fuck about the poll, why are you posting substanceless nonsense in it?

I didn't post anything in your dumbass poll.

[UWDude]

All of the above.

Also, Satan.


Also bet you anything Superfluous will not vote. Just make comments.

[UWDude]

I didn't post anything in your dumbass poll.

I know, that's what I just said. It's all substanceless.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

LOL. This thread be funny.

[unknown]

I dont think that Trump is their "agent" but he has been doing business with the Russians for a very long time.

The premise is that due to his many bankruptcies, Trump was forced to turn to foreign funding as a way to maintain his businesses and lifestyle.

The Russians were a big part of that and he seems to be somewhat beholden to them.

From 2008:

Executive Talk: Donald Trump Jr. bullish on Russia and few emerging markets (http://www.eturbonews.com/5008/executive-talk-donald-trump-jr-bullish-russia-and-few-emerging-ma).


"And in terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets; say in Dubai, and certainly with our project in SoHo and anywhere in New York.

We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia."

As Ron Paul advocates, we should dialogue and trade with other nations.

And lets be honest, Russia is on the right side of the Syrian conflict having sided with the Syrian government.

But much like our own government, Russia's leadership has a horrible track record.

From the Bolsheviks who killed millions of Christians to Stalin to the invasion of Afghanistan.

[UWDude]

I'll let Trump say it:

From The Art of the Deal:

On exaggeration: "The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people's fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That's why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It's an innocent form of exaggeration, and a very effective form of promotion."

Doesn't answer the question. IS he an agent of the deep state, or "they" "TPTB" MIC etc, or is he out for himself?

[Origanalist]

I know, that's what I just said. It's all substanceless.

I agree, the dumbass poll is just, well, dumb.

[UWDude]

I dont think that Trump is their "agent" but he has been doing business with the Russians for a very long time.

The premise is that due to his many bankruptcies, Trump was forced to turn to foreign funding as a way to maintain his businesses and lifestyle.

The Russians were a big part of that and he seems to be somewhat beholden to them:

Executive Talk: Donald Trump Jr. bullish on Russia and few emerging markets (http://www.eturbonews.com/5008/executive-talk-donald-trump-jr-bullish-russia-and-few-emerging-ma).



As Ron Paul advocates, we should dialogue and trade with other nations.

And lets be honest, Russia is on the right side of the Syrian conflict having sided with the Syrian government.

But much like our own government, Russia's leadership has a horrible track record.

From the Bolsheviks who killed millions of Christians to Stalin to the invasion of Afghanistan.

So you actually think he is beholden to Russia?

[oyarde]

I hope to acquire a unicorn which shits money.

I have never seen a unicorn , but I have seen a three animals thought to be extinct .

[UWDude]

I agree, the dumbass poll is just, well, dumb.

I never expected you to even be able to gauge intelligence levels of anything.


And I still don't.

[Origanalist]

I have never seen a unicorn , but I have seen a three animals thought to be extinct .

Anyone heard from Danke?

[Superfluous Man]

Also bet you anything Superfluous will not vote. Just make comments.

I would vote if there were an option I liked.

My vote is all of the above.

Or Satan.

You didn't include either in the poll.

[Origanalist]

I never expected you to even be able to gauge intelligence levels of anything.


And I still don't.

Lol, the Trump troll is trying to get a rise out of me.

[Superfluous Man]

Lol, the Trump troll is trying to get a rise out of me.

We're not supposed to call the Trump trannies trolls.

[UWDude]

I would vote if there were an option I liked.

My vote is all of the above.

Or Satan.

You didn't include either in the poll.


So you are a Christian, and believe he is an agent of Satan? And Russia, and the deep state?
Whatever dude.
If you think he is an agent for satan, then you're jsut a religious fundamentalist.
Most Christians would not say he was an agent of Satan.
So I think you are just trying to avoid publicly voting in the poll.
I already called it, you won't vote in it, and fund 100 excuses not to.
And it is because you have argued all of them. Even though some of them are quite mutually exclusive.

[UWDude]

Lol, the Trump troll is trying to get a rise out of me.

LoL

You keep posting here.

But not voting or adding to the conversation.

U Mad.

[unknown]

So you actually think he is beholden to Russia?

I do.

Primarily because of their investments in his businesses over the years.

Although I dont necessarily agree, some have suggested that the Russians essentially "own" Trump.

While I agree with the following, I dont think it stems from Trump's "ideals" of non-interventionism (lol) but rather his pro-Russian bias.

Trump campaign guts GOP’s anti-Russia stance on Ukraine (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trump-campaign-guts-gops-anti-russia-stance-on-ukraine/2016/07/18/98adb3b0-4cf3-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html).

[Origanalist]

LoL

You keep posting here.

But not voting or adding to the conversation.

U Mad.

Ya. Go with that.

[nikcers]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71uDe34BJvL._UX679_.jpg

[UWDude]

Ya. Go with that.

O u mad.

[UWDude]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71uDe34BJvL._UX679_.jpg

So he is just in it for the money? To launder his money? Or someone else's money?
And if ti is someone else's, whose?

[oyarde]

Anyone heard from Danke?

No ,sadly that is a different animal .

[MallsRGood]

Did the deep state set him up, (same as all the other puppet elections) or do you think they are corrupting him?

There's nothing to corrupt: no principles to betray. He's a reflexive leftist, because he grew up on leftist media and never gave politics any serious thought (like most people), but the reason he's serving leftism isn't so much that as that it's simply the path of least resistance (like for most politicians - hence the dominance of leftism). As for whether the big special interests supported him from the start or just fell ass backwards into the goldmine which is the Trump Presidency? Hard to say, speculative. At the outset, I doubt he was being supported by any of "them," or opposed by any of "them," or even noticed by any of "them." He probably ran as a publicity stunt and things snowballed from there, to the surprise of everyone, including Trump. To the extent that any of "them" ever opposed him later in the campaign, I'd say the reason was fear he would lose them the general election, not that he wouldn't be a pliant tool as President (which he clearly is).

[nikcers]

So he is just in it for the money? To launder his money? Or someone else's money?
And if ti is someone else's, whose? Do you not know who that is a picture of?

[UWDude]

I'd say the reason was fear he would lose them the general election, not that he wouldn't be a pliant tool as President.

If he lost, then wouldn't President Madame Clinton be just as acceptable to "them"?

[UWDude]

Do you not know who that is a picture of?

Do you not know what that cartoon means?

[nikcers]

Do you not know what that cartoon means?
no- I don't know who's face it is, can you tell me?

[MallsRGood]

If he lost, then wouldn't President Madame Clinton be just as acceptable to "them"?

There's the problem with this "them."

There is no "them." There's a cluster of "thems."

Some thems are in the Republican orbit, some the Democratic orbit.

People say Dems and GOPers aren't really fighting over anything: not true.

They aren't fighting over principles, but they are fighting over who gets the best spot at the trough.

[UWDude]

no- I don't know who's face it is, can you tell me?

Yes you do. So stop playing games.

[UWDude]

There's the problems with this "them."

There is no "them." There's a cluster of "thems."

Some thems are in the Republican orbit, some the Democratic orbit.

People say Dems and GOPers aren't really fighting over anything: not true.

They aren't fighting over principles, but they are fighting over who gets the best spot at the trough.

You think the democrats and republicans are in different power orbits?

By your logic then, the "they" were the democrats, and therefore did not want him to win.

[nikcers]

Yes you do. So stop playing games.
Is the Washington machine gone? Do we have the American dream yet?

[UWDude]

Is the Washington machine gone? Do we have the American dream yet?

Oh look at that, you did know.

[MallsRGood]

You think the democrats and republicans are in different power orbits?

I'm saying that some special interests have more to gain from a GOP government than a Dem government, and vice versa.

...even though all the special interests are after the same kind of government-growing policies.

And not just business lobbies, the upper echelons of the parties themselves are powerful political forces.

Don't you think Reince Priebus is making more money now that a GOPer is in the White House?

If so, don't you think he wanted the nominee to be as electable as possible?

[UWDude]

I'm saying that some special interests have more to gain from a GOP government than a Dem government, and vice versa.

...even though all the special interests are after the same kind of government-growing policies.

And not just business lobbies, the upper echelons of the parties themselves are powerful political forces.

Don't you think Reince Priebus is making more money now that a GOPer is in the White House?

If so, don't you think he wanted the nominee to be as electable as possible?

So is he a knowing, or unwitting agent of the deep state? Or do you think there is no such thing, just different groups vying for power, and he is a witting agent of the republican orbit?

[MallsRGood]

So is he a knowing, or unwitting agent of the deep state? Or do you think there is no such thing, just different groups vying for power, and he is a witting agent of the republican orbit?

He's a witting pawn of the GOP aligned special interests (which are mostly the same as the Dem aligned special interests).

As Hillary would have been a witting pawn of the Dem aligned special interests (which are mostly the same as...etc).

And the difference is negligible. Perhaps a little less cheddar gets thrown at the Solyndras and a little more at the Raytheons.

Tomato tomahto from a libertarian POV.

[Ender]

Doesn't answer the question. IS he an agent of the deep state, or "they" "TPTB" MIC etc, or is he out for himself?

MY POV is himself 1st; TPTB 2nd.

[Mike4Freedom]

I believe he is in it for himself at this point. His lavish lifestyle was drying up and he wanted to try something else out. It worked out big for him. If he could I think he would like to be the man that improves conditions in this country. On the other hand if that does not happen he is the kind of person that does not feel remorse. He is clearly a sociopath.

What the "deep state" or "media complex" will do going forward is this:

1. If the economy improves they will say it is because of what obama did during his terms
2. If the economy tanks are moves downward they will say it is because of trump.

It is heads I win, tails you lose.

The only big card he has to play is a complete repeal of obamacare and replacement with Rands plan. If he signs paul ryans plan into law, Any healthcare issues going forward will be blamed on him. It is a bad position.

To get back to the topic at hand.
He is not specifically and agent of the deep state when he initially ran. They however are using him as a pawn and trying to influence and manuever him to do their bidding. He has giving in on some things and not on others.

Time will be the factor that lets us know the answer to the OPs question.

[Working Poor]

While I agree with the following, I dont think it stems from Trump's "ideals" of non-interventionism (lol) but rather his pro-Russian bias.

One thing I am pretty sure about the Russians is they are against the bankers. Militarily they help countries who don't want to be taken over by the big banks. I can appreciate that to a certain degree but it does seem to me that they fight an uphill battle. Our military pretty much fights for the big banks and so in that regard Russia could be the enemy of our alignments.

I don't really like Trump or, trust that he knows what to do about world affairs. All I can say about the election is that I am glad Hillary didn't win. She has always given me the creeps. It seems the choice we were given was like being asked do we want to be shot in the heart or the head.:cool: