Their foodstamps? [Immigrants Canceling Their Food Stamps over Fears of Being Deported]

[tod evans]

Immigrants Canceling Their Food Stamps over Fears of Being Deported

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/16/immigrants-canceling-food-stamps-fears-being-deported/


Food banks and hunger advocates around the country from Tuscon to Baltimore have noticed a decline in the number of eligible immigrants applying for food stamps and a rise in the number of immigrants seeking to cancel their food stamps since President Trump’s inauguration two months ago, the Washington Post reported.

Advocates on behalf of these immigrants say that their fear stems from the possibility that Immigration and Customs Enforcement would notice their participation in the food stamp program and deny them U.S. citizenship or deport them.

These immigrants are now going to food pantries and soup kitchens so that they can feed themselves and their families.

“They’re making these decisions based on what they hear in the news or information they’re getting from other people,” Miguelina Diaz, food support connections program manager for Hunger Free America, said. “People started asking questions right after Trump took office.”

Diaz said she recently helped two legal resident families from Queens remove themselves from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP). One of the women, a mother of two, asked for help erasing her name from a local food pantry, as well.

Spanish-language SNAP applications to the Maryland Food Bank have fallen from 20 a month to zero, the Post reports.

According to the Department of Agriculture, 1.5 million non-citizens and 3.9 million children living with non-citizen adults received food stamps for the 2015 fiscal year.

Adults have to live in the U.S. for five years, be a refugee, or be disabled before they qualify to receive food stamps. Children who entered legally qualify sooner.

Illegal immigrants who live in a “mixed eligibility” household can apply for food stamps on behalf of their children who are U.S. citizens.

The Department of Agriculture says in its formal guidance for non-citizens that there are no immigration consequences for legal immigrants who participate in SNAP.

But a draft executive order from the Trump administration from January sought to make receiving public benefits, such as SNAP, a reason for deporting or denying citizenship to legal immigrants.

Advocates for reforming the welfare system say that immigrants, both illegal and legal, have too much access to public benefits and take more out of the system than they pay into it.

“I don’t think it’s proper to increase the burden on U.S. taxpayers for people whose only claim to them is that they broke our law,” said Robert Rector, a senior research fellow at the Heritage Foundation. “These children receive a large amount of benefits because their parents came here illegally.”

[phill4paul]

Good.

[Dr.3D]

I wonder why they leave of the word, "illegal" out from the first part of that article. Seems like a legal immigrant wouldn't have any problem with being deported.

[juleswin]

I wonder why they leave of the word, "illegal" out from the first part of that article. Seems like a legal immigrant wouldn't have any problem with being deported.

That is what one would think, but you have to realize that Trump has tried to deny entry into the US of people with permanent residency cards.

[angelatc]

.....the possibility that Immigration and Customs Enforcement would notice their participation in the food stamp program and deny them U.S. citizenship or deport them.

If only.

[phill4paul]

If only.

Some ICE bureaucrat just slapped himself on the forehead. DOH!

[Dr.3D]

That is what one would think, but you have to realize that Trump has tried to deny entry into the US of people with permanent residency cards.
True, but the article then goes on to clarify those people are illegal immigrants.

[angelatc]

True, but the article then goes on to clarify those people are illegal immigrants.


But a draft executive order from the Trump administration from January sought to make receiving public benefits, such as SNAP, a reason for deporting or denying citizenship to legal immigrants.

Good.

[nikcers]

Lots of people who need these types of services are too embarrassed to ask especially at food banks. You'd be surprised the amount of people that would get a title loan or payday loan and go into debt over borrowing a cup of beans and rice from their neighbor or picking up a bag of food that was going to be thrown away from the food bank.

[Dr.3D]

Good.

That's what I was thinking. What's an illegal doing getting anything?

[TheCount]

That's what I was thinking. What's an illegal doing getting anything?

They're not getting it, their citizen children are.

[phill4paul]

Lots of people who need these types of services are too embarrassed to ask especially at food banks. You'd be surprised the amount of people that would get a title loan or payday loan and go into debt over borrowing a cup of beans and rice from their neighbor or picking up a bag of food that was going to be thrown away from the food bank.

Non-charitable charity seekers.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?508604-The-Official-RPF-Weakman-Absurdities-Thread&p=6433458#post6433458

[Dr.3D]

They're not getting it, their citizen children are.
The children of an illegal shouldn't be able to be an anchor baby.

[TheCount]

The children of an illegal shouldn't be able to be an anchor baby.

Cool, but they are. Welfare programs can't determine benefits for the kids that depend on the citizenships of the parents.

[silverhandorder]

Good. Next they need to get in on a bus south.

[phill4paul]

The children of an illegal shouldn't be able to be an anchor baby.

As Count pointed out it is. However I think that if Trump truly wanted to take care of the problem he would just say that he is going to have CPS work closely with ICE. Any child that is an American citizen will be put in foster care and their parents will be deported. I bet there would be a exodus.

Disclaimer: I'm not advocating for this.

[silverhandorder]

As Count pointed out it is. However I think that if Trump truly wanted to take care of the problem he would just say that he is going to have CPS work closely with ICE. Any child that is an American citizen will be put in foster care and their parents will be deported. I bet there would be a exodus.

Disclaimer: I'm not advocating for this.
Hmm great idea.

[phill4paul]

Hmm great idea.

Of course you would would think so. Then instead of the money spent on food stamps there can be an increase in budget for child care services. That's the problem with you Trump supporters, you just can't think anything through.

[silverhandorder]

Of course you would would think so. Then instead of the money spent on food stamps there can be an increase in budget for child care services. That's the problem with you Trump supporters, you just can't think anything through.
I would modify it a little bit. Children sent away with the parents. ;)

[angelatc]

As Count pointed out it is. However I think that if Trump truly wanted to take care of the problem he would just say that he is going to have CPS work closely with ICE. Any child that is an American citizen will be put in foster care and their parents will be deported. I bet there would be a exodus.

Disclaimer: I'm not advocating for this.

Foster care - meh. I didn't hate Newt's orphanages concept.

[Dr.3D]

Cool, but they are. Welfare programs can't determine benefits for the kids that depend on the citizenships of the parents.
Doesn't mean it has to stay that way. Congress needs to do away with birthright citizenship for illegal aliens. Maybe Trump could make an E.O. lol.

[oyarde]

The concept of birthright citizenship is retarded . If both parents are not citizens why would a child be ?

[CaseyJones]

H.R.140 - Birthright Citizenship Act of 2017

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?508142-Action-Alert-H-R-140-Birthright-Citizenship-Act-of-2017

[TheCount]

Doesn't mean it has to stay that way. Congress needs to do away with birthright citizenship for illegal aliens. Maybe Trump could make an E.O. lol.

Neither Trump nor Congress have the power to change it.

[TheCount]

The concept of birthright citizenship is retarded . If both parents are not citizens why would a child be ?

What citizenship should the children of one American and one non-American receive then? None?

[silverhandorder]

Neither Trump nor Congress have the power to change it.
We will make the power and laugh at you fake Americans for crying about it.

What citizenship should the children of one American and one non-American receive then? None?

Take away citizenship from everyone involved. ;)

[TheCount]

We will make the powerHark, the cry of the fascist.

[Carlybee]

That is what one would think, but you have to realize that Trump has tried to deny entry into the US of people with permanent residency cards.

My huband has a green card. Going to visit family in Canada soon...I hope he gets back in.

[silverhandorder]

Hark, the cry of the fascist.
Wrong.

You however is a fake American.

[donnay]

Good, we have hard enough time taking care of our own. Government was not set up to be a charity.

[Ender]

Good, we have hard enough time taking care of our own. Government was not set up to be a charity.

Exactly.

NO ONE should be on .gov charity. People should be taken care of locally.

[Ender]

Wrong.

You however is a fake American.

Yer grammar ain't so good- yu mus be one a them illegal feriners.

[brushfire]

I wonder why they leave of the word, "illegal" out from the first part of that article. Seems like a legal immigrant wouldn't have any problem with being deported.

Its no wonder. People who favor illegal immigration are intellectually dishonest. Acknowledging the legal status would interfere with their deception. Besides, laws are discretionary. That's how it works - at least in some people's minds.

[pcosmar]

Lots of people who need these types of services are too embarrassed to ask especially at food banks. You'd be surprised the amount of people that would get a title loan or payday loan and go into debt over borrowing a cup of beans and rice from their neighbor or picking up a bag of food that was going to be thrown away from the food bank.

I missed the sarcasm there..

there should be a sarc tag on that.

edit;

NO one needs these "services".

[tod evans]

My huband has a green card. Going to visit family in Canada soon...I hope he gets back in.

Does your ol' man have the Canadian speech impediment that causes some to punctuate sentences with ehy?

[brushfire]

Lots of people who need these types of services are too embarrassed to ask especially at food banks. You'd be surprised the amount of people that would get a title loan or payday loan and go into debt over borrowing a cup of beans and rice from their neighbor or picking up a bag of food that was going to be thrown away from the food bank.

I missed the sarcasm there..

there should be a sarc tag on that.

edit;

NO one needs these "services".

Foodstamps are supposed to be humiliating. They're supposed to expose your situation, and they're not supposed to create comfort and "dignity". As a I child, I was on foodstamps. Our aid was a block of cheese, powdered milk, and a paint can of peanut butter. I never went hungry, and I'm grateful for that, but even as I child I knew the situation was going to be temporary while my mother pursued a career, and later purchased a house. Nobody wanted to be in that situation for very long.

Now days, government handouts are an expectation, and there is a false "dignity". Foodstamps and government aid should be a slightly better alternative to starvation and destitution. To provide more is to take away one's pursuit, pride, and drive to live a productive life. I know this because I cant hardly eat processed cheese or "creamy" peanut butter, to this day. Powdered creamer - forget about it.

[Brian4Liberty]

Washington Post rethinks headline about immigrants canceling their food stamps for fear of deportation (http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2017/03/16/washington-post-rethinks-headline-about-immigrants-canceling-their-food-stamps-for-fear-of-deportation/)


...
We probably would have overlooked food policy writer Caitlin Dewey’s contribution to the paper’s “Wonkblog” column Thursday, too, expect for people noticing a rather major change to the headline.

Bezos' @washingtonpost quickly changed this headline… doesn't want you to know illegals are on benefits paid by… you. pic.twitter.com/soDFn2Hput

— Julian Wan ���� (@juliangwan) March 16, 2017

The slug is still the original headline. This is #fakenews 101, @washingtonpost is a liberal smear tabloid. pic.twitter.com/pfWR6hFcJ6

— Julian Wan ���� (@juliangwan) March 16, 2017

So what was wrong with the original, “Immigrants are now canceling their food stamps for fear that Trump will deport them”? Maybe it’s that one word — “illegal” — which just never seems to fit in the confines of a newspaper’s headline or a Democrat’s 140-character tweet.

[Brian4Liberty]

...
According to the Department of Agriculture, 1.5 million non-citizens and 3.9 million children living with non-citizen adults received food stamps for the 2015 fiscal year.
...

But, we have been assured over and over that immigrants don't get any form of aid from government...

And the above stats do not include fraud.

[tod evans]

But, we have been assured over and over that immigrants don't get any form of aid from government...

And the above stats do not include fraud.

Racist! ;)

[Brian4Liberty]

Foodstamps are supposed to be humiliating. They're supposed to expose your situation, and they're not supposed to create comfort and "dignity". As a I child, I was on foodstamps. Our aid was a block of cheese, powdered milk, and a paint can of peanut butter. I never went hungry, and I'm grateful for that, but even as I child I knew the situation was going to be temporary while my mother pursued a career, and later purchased a house. Nobody wanted to be in that situation for very long.

Now days, government handouts are an expectation, and there is a false "dignity". Foodstamps and government aid should be a slightly better alternative to starvation and destitution. To provide more is to take away one's pursuit, pride, and drive to live a productive life. I know this because I cant hardly eat processed cheese or "creamy" peanut butter, to this day. Powdered creamer - forget about it.

I have personally talked to food stamp (EBT) recipients who take great pride in purchasing the most expensive items, and laugh at the cashier's who are foolish enough to work.

[brushfire]

I have personally talked to food stamp (EBT) recipients who take great pride in purchasing the most expensive items, and laugh at the cashier's who are foolish enough to work.

There it is... How terribly unfortunate, but another example of how government basically ruins everything it touches - and always with the "best of intentions".

[tod evans]

There it is... How terribly unfortunate, but another example of how government basically ruins everything it touches - and always with the "best of intentions".

Think of the starving children! :eek:

[brushfire]

Think of the starving children! :eek:

I'd rather be thinking of starving politicians. :D

[tod evans]

I'd rather be thinking of starving politicians. :D

Notice how there's never any discussion on how many tax dollars are spent on the government required to give away all the free shit?

[brushfire]

Notice how there's never any discussion on how many tax dollars are spent on the government required to give away all the free $#@!?

Yea, interesting for sure. Why would anyone question the servants?

[tod evans]

Yea, interesting for sure. Why would anyone question the servants?

What's the average salary for a 'civil servant' ?

$50k

$75k

$100k

Cost of benefits?

How many are there?

This seems to be convoluted intentionally....

[phill4paul]

Notice how there's never any discussion on how many tax dollars are spent on the government required to give away all the free shit?

With all the talk of robots taking over jobs I would think that the administration of government would be a prime benefactor. I mean think about it. The majority of these jobs are nothing but number crunching, paper pushing, paper filing and information checking. A robot could even be programmed to have a cheerful personality.

[CPUd]

With all the talk of robots taking over jobs I would think that the administration of government would be a prime benefactor. I mean think about it. The majority of these jobs are nothing but number crunching, paper pushing, paper filing and information checking. A robot could even be programmed to have a cheerful personality.

Soon.

Blockchain technologies could transform government services (https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/21/blockchain-technologies-could-transform-government-services/)

[brushfire]

What's the average salary for a 'civil servant' ?

$50k

$75k

$100k

Cost of benefits?

How many are there?

This seems to be convoluted intentionally....


There's a killer in there... They are laying off teachers in my school district. They are basing the layoffs on tenure, and not on performance - typical union driven decision making process. Anyhow, I was thinking, it would be awesome to start a private education institution that:

1. Trained its own teachers
2. Offered entry level, that included good ol fashioned "on the job" training
3. Provided benefits that are typical of the private sector (none of this 1/2 your salary for life sh!t)
4. Offered an outstanding curriculum for children, and was geared more towards the child's potential than the child's grade

This would alleviate the inflationary issues that government creates with their student loan and "everyone goes to college" BS.

It would align academia with the trades - not everyone needs a masters degree to teach 5 year olds their abc's, reading or writing may be within some children's potential, as with multiplication and devision (both of my kids are could read in kindergarten - both knew simple multiplication)

Hearing all this BS about how teachers are so under appreciated - how they are the lowest paid profession requiring a degree! There are so many incredibly talented adults out there. Many parents who care about their children are able to teach them the basics - even with out degrees...

I digress, but its the local issue du jour. The unions and the government have made education ridiculously expensive. Teachers of just 25 years ago did more with less - the whole thing is just a mess. Courtesy of government. Oh, and IL cannot afford to function - its starting to implode, failing to meet its commitments for educational funding.

[Carlybee]

Does your ol' man have the Canadian speech impediment that causes some to punctuate sentences with ehy?

No, but he pronounces pasta like past-a. As in rhymes with fasta. He tried to pronounce taco like tacko but I told him that was a hanging offense in Texas.

[silverhandorder]

Yer grammar ain't so good- yu mus be one a them illegal feriners.

Atleast I am not a fake American. You sound like a fake American.

[tod evans]

No, but he pronounces pasta like past-a. As in rhymes with fasta. He tried to pronounce taco like tacko but I told him that was a hanging offense in Texas.

Did ya' have to 'splain that the Ez-brothers take offense to being called 'Taco' unless you know 'em?

Yankees have some shortcomings........

[oyarde]

What citizenship should the children of one American and one non-American receive then? None?

To me it would make sense for a child born of any place to be a citizen of that place if one parent is , which I also believe was the original intent.

[oyarde]

No, but he pronounces pasta like past-a. As in rhymes with fasta. He tried to pronounce taco like tacko but I told him that was a hanging offense in Texas.
One of my best buddies was born in California . Both of his parents were Mexicans . They moved to the midwest when he was 5 . He has a dog named Chico . I told him it was offensive as he does not even speak Spanish , he just laughs .

[TheCount]

To me it would make sense for a child born of any place to be a citizen of that place if one parent is , which I also believe was the original intent.Ah, I misunderstood. When you said 'both' I thought that meant that citizenship would not be conferred if either parent was not a citizen.

[Brian4Liberty]

There's a killer in there... They are laying off teachers in my school district. They are basing the layoffs on tenure, and not on performance - typical union driven decision making process. Anyhow, I was thinking, it would be awesome to start a private education institution that:

1. Trained its own teachers
2. Offered entry level, that included good ol fashioned "on the job" training
3. Provided benefits that are typical of the private sector (none of this 1/2 your salary for life sh!t)
4. Offered an outstanding curriculum for children, and was geared more towards the child's potential than the child's grade

This would alleviate the inflationary issues that government creates with their student loan and "everyone goes to college" BS.

It would align academia with the trades - not everyone needs a masters degree to teach 5 year olds their abc's, reading or writing may be within some children's potential, as with multiplication and devision (both of my kids are could read in kindergarten - both knew simple multiplication)

Hearing all this BS about how teachers are so under appreciated - how they are the lowest paid profession requiring a degree! There are so many incredibly talented adults out there. Many parents who care about their children are able to teach them the basics - even with out degrees...

I digress, but its the local issue du jour. The unions and the government have made education ridiculously expensive. Teachers of just 25 years ago did more with less - the whole thing is just a mess. Courtesy of government. Oh, and IL cannot afford to function - its starting to implode, failing to meet its commitments for educational funding.

I remember a time when teachers gladly accepted less annual pay because they got so much time off. Summers, Christmas, Easter, etc.

[Carlybee]

One of my best buddies was born in California . Both of his parents were Mexicans . They moved to the midwest when he was 5 . He has a dog named Chico . I told him it was offensive as he does not even speak Spanish , he just laughs .

One of my coworkers is married to a guy of Mexican descent who speaks no Spanish. He tells people he's Aztec, lol.

[Krugminator2]

But, we have been assured over and over that immigrants don't get any form of aid from government...

And the above stats do not include fraud.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/260106/91-middle-eastern-refugees-are-food-stamps-daniel-greenfield

Actual government stat. 91.4% of Muslim refugees receive food stamps. The Tsarnaev brothers got over 100k in government largesse.

I don't get this radically open borders position Cato and Reason take. When did libertarians become welfare statists? And I don't get this whole equating every life on the globe with the lives of someone already in the US.

[Carlybee]

Did ya' have to 'splain that the Ez-brothers take offense to being called 'Taco' unless you know 'em?

Yankees have some shortcomings........

Heh...well it beats being called a beaner.

[tod evans]

Heh...well it beats being called a beaner.

The Mexicans I know prefer beaner....

But I don't whine when the refer to me as a 'Güero' either...

[Carlybee]

The Mexicans I know prefer beaner....

But I don't whine when the refer to me as a 'Güero' either...

Never heard that. They say gringo here.

[Ender]

Atleast I am not a fake American. You sound like a fake American.

Yeah, I'm one a them fake Cherokees that mixed with those danged Scottish immigrants. ;)

[Ender]

To me it would make sense for a child born of any place to be a citizen of that place if one parent is , which I also believe was the original intent.

Agree.

[silverhandorder]

Yeah, I'm one a them fake Cherokees that mixed with those danged Scottish immigrants. ;)

Yup I knew it. Fake.

[AZJoe]

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user230519/imageroot/2017/03/17/2017.03.17%20-%20FS2.JPG