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Valli6
03-15-2017, 11:39 AM
Exclusive — Rand Paul: Let’s ‘Smash’ Paul Ryan’s Obamacare Lite ‘to Smithereens’
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/15/exclusive-rand-paul-lets-smash-paul-ryans-obamacare-lite-to-smithereens/

by SEN. RAND PAUL (R-KY)15 Mar 2017

Look, I’m a “glass is half full” kind of guy. You have to be. I try to stay positive. I try to keep thinking maybe, maybe someday CONGRESS will remember the vision of our Founding Fathers … and that those we elect will represent us, not the special interests.

But Washington politicians are so far gone that the Constitution is not even an afterthought, and their master seems to be whatever industry funds them.

It doesn’t have to be this way. We just had an election about change, about draining the swamp. President Trump promised to be different, and I believe he sincerely wants to be. But he is being taken for a ride through the swamp right now on “Obamacare Lite.”

For four STRAIGHT elections, REPUBLICANS ran on repealing Obamacare, and now “Republican orthodoxy” — I’m told — is keeping insurance subsidies, mandates, taxes, and insurance company bailouts.

That’s not acceptable to me. And it isn’t keeping our promise.

Though I want to believe the glass is half full, I am tempted, very tempted, to smash a glass half full of Obamacare Lite — smash that glass to smithereens!

When did Republicans begin to believe that insurance companies should be put on the dole? That they should be bailed out when any of their customers become sick?

When did Republicans begin to believe that the federal government should force you to pay a penalty to a private insurance company if you can’t afford insurance?

When did Republicans begin to believe that we should levy a special tax penalty on those who choose to buy really good health insurance?

The current Ryan Plan — “Obamacare Lite” — is not about patients. It isn’t about better health care. It isn’t about lowering costs.

It is, plain and simple, about getting more money to the insurance companies and running more of your life from Washington.

I am a career physician. I spent years training and learning to be a doctor. I did it for patients. I don’t give a flip about guaranteeing the profits of insurance companies. And as a Senator, I shouldn’t, either.

But in Washington, somehow, the whole debate seems to be about getting people insurance instead of getting people health care.

Insurance doesn’t equate to health care. Just ask all the Obamacare recipients with $6,000 deductibles.

I’m sick of the insurance companies putting me on hold and telling me to talk to their representative in a foreign country. Screw that.

I’m sick of the government telling me I have to buy their crappy product, and I’m sick of watching us go into more and more debt to do it.

We need a new way, and Obamacare Lite isn’t it.

I want the consumer (aka patient) to be king. I want to empower the patient to get the health care they want at the price they want.

I want to let every American be able to join a co-op to buy their health care. When that happens, the buying power returns to the patients.

Instead of patients having to kiss the boots of insurance company executives, my plan would have insurance executives come on bended knee to the patient.

The patient would be king.

The patient, as part of a large buying group, would be able to negotiate lower prices and a policy where you can’t be dropped or ripped off if you become sick. The patient would be able to purchase exactly the type of coverage that suited her needs, without government mandates telling her what she must buy.

ObamaCare forced every American to purchase a policy that included Pediatric Dental, whether you had children under eighteen or not. Is that freedom of choice? Why should you have to pay for something you cannot use? Good for the insurance industry, but bad for patients.

As a physician and as a patient, I hate Obamacare. Obamacare jacked up insurance rates and created insurance monopolies.

But the answer is not replacing the government mandate with an insurance mandate, which is exactly what Obamacare Lite does.

I don’t feel any less manipulated by being forced to pay the insurance company a penalty instead of the government.

I want the patient to be king. If you want to disrupt the apple cart, if you want to take away the monopoly power of insurance companies, do one thing — allow every individual in America to join a co-op, to join a buying group, to join an association health plan.

The insurance CEOs hate the idea — which should be enough to tell you it might just empower the patient.

So if you hated Obamacare and don’t care much for Ryan’s Obamacare Lite, maybe you ought to consider telling them all to take a hike and give you the option of joining a co-op. Give you the option of buying across state lines. Give you the option of having a YUGE Health Savings Account so you can spend your money how you want. I challenge the media to compare the price of LASIK surgery, contact lenses, and orthodontics in the last twenty years — prices come down when patients make decisions about what they are buying.

While I am a “glass is half full” kind of guy, I also would love to give the middle finger to the man that profits off of government bailouts and forces his or her monopoly Brand of insurance schemes on an often worried and defenseless public.

Just say no to Obamacare, to Obamacare Lite, and to any scheme to enrich the insurance cartel.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/15/exclusive-rand-paul-lets-smash-paul-ryans-obamacare-lite-to-smithereens/

(It's racking up comments a mile a minute!)
(At the top of the front page right now @ 2PM)

Jan2017
03-15-2017, 11:54 AM
Just say no to Obamacare, to Obamacare Lite, and to any scheme to enrich the insurance cartel.

Like the idea . . .

Ryancare is alot of hugging to Obamacare

asurfaholic
03-15-2017, 12:25 PM
Wow rand is getting massive organic positive response. Over 25 comments in less than 2 minutes when I posted my own.

This makes me giddy

jmdrake
03-15-2017, 03:38 PM
Wow rand is getting massive organic positive response. Over 25 comments in less than 2 minutes when I posted my own.

This makes me giddy

LOL. My favorite comment so far.





Mindcraft > imlifelike • 4 hours ago





If Trump decides to run again, we need to push hard to dump Pence and support Rand Paul for VP. He should have been Trump's VP. That would have been an awesome balanced combo.

CALL - this from Ken Cuccinelli If you really want Ryancare dead, make the calls.

"STOP RYANCARE
Please urge these Republicans to oppose RyanCare, which fails to repeal Obamacare. Urge them to pass a clean repeal bill like they did in 2015 before the last election."

GOP REPRESENTATIVES
Jim Banks (R-IN) – (202) 225-4436
Ted Budd (R-NC) – (202) 225-4531
Bill Flores (R-TX) – (202) 225-6105
Jeb Hensarling (R-TX) – (202) 225-3484
Barry Loudermilk (R-GA) – (202) 225-2931
Tom McClintock (R-CA) – (202) 225-2511
Alex Mooney (R-WV) – (202) 225-2711
John Ratcliffe (R-TX) – (202) 225-6673
Mark Walker (R-NC) – (202) 225-3065
Roger Williams (R-TX) – (202) 225-9896

GOP SENATORS
Tom Cotton (R-AR) – (202) 224-2353
Ted Cruz (R-TX) – (202) 224-5922
Joni Ernst (R-IA) – (202) 224-3254
Deb Fischer (R-NE) – (202) 224-6551
Ron Johnson (R-WI) – (202) 224-5323
Mike Lee (R-UT) – (202) 224-5444
Rand Paul (R-KY) – (202) 224-4343
Marco Rubio (R-FL) – (202) 224-3041
Ben Sasse (R-NE) – (202) 224-4224
Pat Toomey (R-PA) – (202) 224-4254

Gumba of Liberty
03-15-2017, 04:01 PM
Can't wait for the Anti-Trumpers to tell me how Rand writing an amazing piece on Obamacare-Lite using Breitbart (the Bannon "Nationalist" Platform) is hurting the Liberty Movement.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/15/exclusive-rand-paul-lets-smash-paul-ryans-obamacare-lite-to-smithereens/


Look, I’m a “glass is half full” kind of guy. You have to be. I try to stay positive. I try to keep thinking maybe, maybe someday CONGRESS will remember the vision of our Founding Fathers … and that those we elect will represent us, not the special interests.
But Washington politicians are so far gone that the Constitution is not even an afterthought, and their master seems to be whatever industry funds them.

It doesn’t have to be this way. We just had an election about change, about draining the swamp. President Trump promised to be different, and I believe he sincerely wants to be. But he is being taken for a ride through the swamp right now on “Obamacare Lite.”

For four STRAIGHT elections, REPUBLICANS ran on repealing Obamacare, and now “Republican orthodoxy” — I’m told — is keeping insurance subsidies, mandates, taxes, and insurance company bailouts.

That’s not acceptable to me. And it isn’t keeping our promise.

Though I want to believe the glass is half full, I am tempted, very tempted, to smash a glass half full of Obamacare Lite — smash that glass to smithereens!

When did Republicans begin to believe that insurance companies should be put on the dole? That they should be bailed out when any of their customers become sick?

When did Republicans begin to believe that the federal government should force you to pay a penalty to a private insurance company if you can’t afford insurance?

When did Republicans begin to believe that we should levy a special tax penalty on those who choose to buy really good health insurance?

The current Ryan Plan — “Obamacare Lite” — is not about patients. It isn’t about better health care. It isn’t about lowering costs.

It is, plain and simple, about getting more money to the insurance companies and running more of your life from Washington.

I am a career physician. I spent years training and learning to be a doctor. I did it for patients. I don’t give a flip about guaranteeing the profits of insurance companies. And as a Senator, I shouldn’t, either.

But in Washington, somehow, the whole debate seems to be about getting people insurance instead of getting people health care.

Insurance doesn’t equate to health care. Just ask all the Obamacare recipients with $6,000 deductibles.

I’m sick of the insurance companies putting me on hold and telling me to talk to their representative in a foreign country. Screw that.

I’m sick of the government telling me I have to buy their crappy product, and I’m sick of watching us go into more and more debt to do it.

We need a new way, and Obamacare Lite isn’t it.

I want the consumer (aka patient) to be king. I want to empower the patient to get the health care they want at the price they want.

I want to let every American be able to join a co-op to buy their health care. When that happens, the buying power returns to the patients.

Instead of patients having to kiss the boots of insurance company executives, my plan would have insurance executives come on bended knee to the patient.

The patient would be king.

The patient, as part of a large buying group, would be able to negotiate lower prices and a policy where you can’t be dropped or ripped off if you become sick. The patient would be able to purchase exactly the type of coverage that suited her needs, without government mandates telling her what she must buy.

ObamaCare forced every American to purchase a policy that included Pediatric Dental, whether you had children under eighteen or not. Is that freedom of choice? Why should you have to pay for something you cannot use? Good for the insurance industry, but bad for patients.

As a physician and as a patient, I hate Obamacare. Obamacare jacked up insurance rates and created insurance monopolies.

But the answer is not replacing the government mandate with an insurance mandate, which is exactly what Obamacare Lite does.

I don’t feel any less manipulated by being forced to pay the insurance company a penalty instead of the government.

I want the patient to be king. If you want to disrupt the apple cart, if you want to take away the monopoly power of insurance companies, do one thing — allow every individual in America to join a co-op, to join a buying group, to join an association health plan.

The insurance CEOs hate the idea — which should be enough to tell you it might just empower the patient.

So if you hated Obamacare and don’t care much for Ryan’s Obamacare Lite, maybe you ought to consider telling them all to take a hike and give you the option of joining a co-op. Give you the option of buying across state lines. Give you the option of having a YUGE Health Savings Account so you can spend your money how you want. I challenge the media to compare the price of LASIK surgery, contact lenses, and orthodontics in the last twenty years — prices come down when patients make decisions about what they are buying.

While I am a “glass is half full” kind of guy, I also would love to give the middle finger to the man that profits off of government bailouts and forces his or her monopoly Brand of insurance schemes on an often worried and defenseless public.

Just say no to Obamacare, to Obamacare Lite, and to any scheme to enrich the insurance cartel.

Read the comments and tell me we are not winning. :D

CPUd
03-15-2017, 04:09 PM
They're coming around?

Noob
03-15-2017, 04:19 PM
President Trump should call for a special session of Congress to keep it in session until it finally repeals Obamacare.


Tell Congress to repeal Obamacare!

https://senateconservatives.rallycongress.net/ctas/repealobamacare

http://www.nationalcouncilforfreedom.org/ncf/OC-S_E.aspx?pid=sb04a

Brian4Liberty
03-15-2017, 04:59 PM
Exclusive — Rand Paul: Let’s ‘Smash’ Paul Ryan’s Obamacare Lite ‘to Smithereens’
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/15/exclusive-rand-paul-lets-smash-paul-ryans-obamacare-lite-to-smithereens/

by SEN. RAND PAUL (R-KY)15 Mar 2017

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/15/exclusive-rand-paul-lets-smash-paul-ryans-obamacare-lite-to-smithereens/

(It's racking up comments a mile a minute!)
(At the top of the front page right now @ 2PM)

Front page...

georgiaboy
03-15-2017, 05:43 PM
yes, let's.

Tuned in to some red team talk radio today. The host was interviewing somebody who was trying to defend Ryancare, especially this BS phased approach. Talk about your excuses.

Callers would have none of it, and it was good to hear.

Every time somebody said we should be passing a free market solution, the guy would agree and point to Obamacare, and then justify Obamacare lite. The caller was of course objecting to the Ryan plan, but the guest just spun spun spun.

William Tell
03-15-2017, 06:16 PM
Now that's the kind of rhetoric we need from the good guys. Let's win this!

helmuth_hubener
03-15-2017, 09:10 PM
This is the Rand people love, that esp. conservatives love! The Rand on Fire.

milgram
03-15-2017, 10:38 PM
http://i.imgur.com/YuyN9qB.jpg

Valli6
03-15-2017, 10:47 PM
Rand is specifically using "Art of the Deal" tactics to promote negotiating for a full repeal and better replacement.

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/842167184772239360 (?! Can't get tweet to embed- photo of Rand in tux w/Trump quote)

03/15/2017

Dressed in a tux and equipped with copies of “The Art of the Deal,” Paul said he and the House Freedom Caucus are fighting for a clean repeal with a separate bill featuring the replacement language. Paul applauded the White House for being open to negotiations, adding conservatives want to strike a compromise as well — but feel that will only happen if leadership is short on votes.

“You know, we’ve had a good meeting tonight with the Freedom Caucus, I brought copies of “The Art of the Deal” because I think we are in a pre-negotiation stage,” he said. “What I mean by that is that if that House bill continues to rumble through,and if there are enough votes there will not be meaningful negotiation.”

http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/15/rand-raul-we-are-in-the-pre-negotiation-stage-of-the-obamacare-repeal-bill/

CPUd
03-16-2017, 01:47 AM
842167184772239360
https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/842167184772239360

RonPaulGeorge&Ringo
03-16-2017, 02:32 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/324191-ryan-rand-paul-insulting-trump-by-suggesting-gop-is-misleading-him

Ryan: Rand Paul 'insulting' Trump by suggesting GOP is misleading him

Superfluous Man
03-16-2017, 06:25 AM
Why did he have to start the article with the word, "look"? Makes me not want to read the rest.

William Tell
03-16-2017, 06:26 AM
Why did he have to start the article with the word, "look"? Makes me not want to read the rest.

Look, the interesting thing is, is that that's his style.

pao
03-16-2017, 06:35 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/324191-ryan-rand-paul-insulting-trump-by-suggesting-gop-is-misleading-him

Ryan: Rand Paul 'insulting' Trump by suggesting GOP is misleading him

They are sucking each other in the comments.

helmuth_hubener
03-16-2017, 07:46 AM
Why did he have to start the article with the word, "look"? Makes me not want to read the rest.

:rolleyes:

specsaregood
03-16-2017, 08:17 AM
Look, the interesting thing is, is that that's his style.

Look, he is an eye doctor. Telling people to look is probably 2nd nature to him by now.

Superfluous Man
03-16-2017, 08:18 AM
Look, he is an eye doctor. Telling people to look is probably 2nd nature to him by now.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to specsaregood again."

Very good point.

Do you think he really wrote it though?

Jan2017
03-16-2017, 08:21 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/324191-ryan-rand-paul-insulting-trump-by-suggesting-gop-is-misleading-him

Ryan: Rand Paul 'insulting' Trump by suggesting GOP is misleading him
Ryan sounds incoherrent and even says that Rand is "puzzling" in his remarks to Trump (video at link)- LOL

Paul Ryan accuses Rand Paul of 'insulting remark to the president'

House Speaker Paul Ryan on Wednesday accused Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul of making "an insulting remark to the president"
over the American Health Care Act's rollout this month.

Earlier Wednesday, Paul, a Republican, told CNN that Ryan, also a Republican, was
selling Trump "a bill of goods that he didn't explain to the president that the grassroots doesn't want."http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/paul-ryan-accuses-rand-paul-of-insulting-remark-to-the-president/article/2617494

Valli6
03-16-2017, 09:43 AM
I don't get the signifigance of Rand wearing a tuxedo for this meeting.
Is that something some motivational speakers are known to do? Anyone know?
842167184772239360

CPUd
03-16-2017, 10:50 AM
842412272328802304
https://twitter.com/ericawerner/status/842412272328802304

specsaregood
03-16-2017, 11:05 AM
Gotta love how Randal plays the game.

Son_of_Liberty90
03-16-2017, 01:18 PM
I don't get the signifigance of Rand wearing a tuxedo for this meeting.
Is that something some motivational speakers are known to do? Anyone know?
842167184772239360

Showmanship?

"Tonight, watch in amazement as I make Obamacare disappear!":p

georgiaboy
03-16-2017, 08:52 PM
Love it.



https://twitter.com/ericawerner/status/842412272328802304

842412272328802304

jmdrake
03-19-2017, 07:20 AM
842167184772239360
https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/842167184772239360

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to CPUd again.

eleganz
03-20-2017, 12:50 AM
Wow Rand is truly on another level.

But seriously though, don't think repeal will never happen. If Ryan gives the conservatives repeal, then that makes him seem weak grabbing his ankles for a 40 member caucus.

Ryan has modified a little bit but nowhere near close enough to satisfy The Randall.

Superfluous Man
03-20-2017, 11:28 AM
If Ryan gives the conservatives repeal, then that makes him seem weak grabbing his ankles for a 40 member caucus.


Although it's not usually for a 40 member caucus, weak ankle grabbing is Ryan's specialty. It's how he got to be Speaker.

Noob
03-20-2017, 04:26 PM
Senator Cruz Found an Overlooked 1974 Rule That Could Be a Real Game-changer for Repealing Obamacare?


http://ijr.com/2017/03/822444-senator-cruz-found-an-overlooked-1974-rule-that-could-be-a-real-game-changer-for-repealing-obamacare/

eleganz
03-20-2017, 04:51 PM
Although it's not usually for a 40 member caucus, weak ankle grabbing is Ryan's specialty. It's how he got to be Speaker.

Well he got to be speaker because he built coalitions and was touted to be someone who liked to work with others to find a solution.

Even Amash supported Ryan for speaker.

Superfluous Man
03-21-2017, 06:37 AM
Well he got to be speaker because he built coalitions and was touted to be someone who liked to work with others to find a solution.

Even Amash supported Ryan for speaker.

The membrane between a man who likes to work with others and a man who grabs is ankles is thin.

And sometimes that membrane breaks, and America gets a disease.